Paisley Hedgehog Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myeightkiddies Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. That would be a GIANT NO. What on earth is the reasoning for this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin M Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No, absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutor Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Nope. Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
********* Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. HA! No WAY! ETA: Quite frankly, I'd be shocked if any of the parents went along with this. And the youth pastor shouldn't be in that postion if he's doing stuff like this, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Never. Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catz Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. Absolutely not, and I tend to be on the more laid back side on this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 NO WAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justasque Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No. And no group, even a church, should ask this of you in this day and age. It is beyond foolish and short-sighted. Are you just not able to get contact with someone who has the info, or are they intentionally not telling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 When monkeys fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 HA! No WAY! ETA: Quite frankly, I'd be shocked if any of the parents went along with this. And the youth pastor shouldn't be in that postion if he's doing stuff like this, IMO. :iagree: I have to wonder if the youth pastor cleared this with the senior pastors and elders? It doesn't seem very wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No way! and they would be getting quite an earful.:glare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PentecostalMom Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No, absolutely not. :iagree: NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Lulu* Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. Not now, not ever. Not if my child were the only one with a mother mean enough to keep them from the cool, *mysterious* destination of spiritual enlightenment. Not if every other idiot adult in the church told me I was overreacting. To quote my 4 year old, "Heck to the no!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 No. And no group, even a church, should ask this of you in this day and age. It is beyond foolish and short-sighted. Are you just not able to get contact with someone who has the info, or are they intentionally not telling? They are intentionally not telling. It is supposed to be a simulation of the persecuted church. I had no idea this was what would be happening. Ds has been looking forward to the event for months. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex-mex Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wow. Really? :glare: Heck, no. I would be going to the Senior Pastor or board about the lack of communication, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeidiKC Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No way, and that seems really strange. I agree that I wonder if they ok'd it with the pastor. I'd have a word with him. I'd also make sure the other parents knew I wasn't going to let my child go. I think some people might let their child go because of peer pressure even if they thought it was a bad idea. So if they know others are refusing to go along with those rules, they might as well. And if the leadership encounters resistance from several families, they will either change it for this trip, and/or hopefully will not do something like that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommymilkies Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 They are intentionally not telling. It is supposed to be a simulation of the persecuted church. I had no idea this was what would be happening. Ds has been looking forward to the event for months. :mad: Wouldn't it be fun to call the cops and give them a very authentic "persecuted church" experience? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acurtis75 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 This doesn't even make sense to me. I can understand the simulated persecution idea but there should be some communication to the parents about when/where who is going. You can make it a mystery for the kids without being ridiculous about it. My dh doesn't go places without my knowing where he is much less my child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happi duck Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No way, never. They are intentionally not telling. It is supposed to be a simulation of the persecuted church. I had no idea this was what would be happening. Ds has been looking forward to the event for months. :mad: Regarding the above: the parents can know without "ruining" the effect they're going for. I'd be okay with the kids not knowing as long as the parents know everything. Then, as a parent, I can reassure my child and even share some information if that's what's best for my child. IMHO, leadership is wrong to not share everything with the parents. Honestly, I'd be afraid of over-the-top theatrics in this scenario (staged arrests or worse). Kind of along the lines of the slavery and shooter things that have happened at schools. :grouphug: to your ds...this really stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 For real? Never. I don't care what the leadership wants to say it is about. Not in a million years would I ever allow something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleWMN Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Absolutely not. :001_huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrappyhomeschooler Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 They are intentionally not telling. It is supposed to be a simulation of the persecuted church. I had no idea this was what would be happening. Ds has been looking forward to the event for months. :mad: That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a loooooong time. Who in their right mind is going to let their kid go somewhere with no information? Asinine if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissad2 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No way, no how! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacie Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Not a chance. What congregation is this? That is so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No. Absolutely not. And there is no responsible reason why they would not tell you these things. Tara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 When monkeys fly. Yeah, that. And when pigs fly out of my ... Tara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justasque Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 They are intentionally not telling. It is supposed to be a simulation of the persecuted church. I had no idea this was what would be happening. Ds has been looking forward to the event for months. :mad: Not now, not ever. Not if my child were the only one with a mother mean enough to keep them from the cool, *mysterious* destination of spiritual enlightenment. Not if every other idiot adult in the church told me I was overreacting. To quote my 4 year old, "Heck to the no!" :iagree: And I would, at this point, at the very least, insist on knowing each and every thing they had planned. Honestly,though, this is a trust-breaker and a display of bad judgement, so at this point my family would be planning a fun family outing in place of this. And prehaps inviting the ds's best friends to go along. Keeping secrets from the kids isn't OK either. It's asking for trouble. How old is your ds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Marple Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I cannot imagine any responsible leadership doing this! They would not be the leadership I would choose for my children. So, NO, my kids would not be going. That is totally crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Honestly,though, this is a trust-breaker and a display of bad judgement How old is your ds? Yes, yes, yes. The event is for jr & sr high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... the leadership (pastors & adult helpers) would not tell you: 1) where your child will be, 2) who they will be with (other students or parent/leader), or 3) where they will be staying. I am very, very frustrated and angry. Someone please tell me I am not overreacting. I have never had issue with our youth leadership before, but I'm spitting nails. No! Dh and I teach the teen class at our church. We would never do this. We took a multi-state teen trip last summer and the parents knew where we were every day and had our number to call at any time. My dd is in our group and if I wasn't there I would want to know where she was. Regarding the above: the parents can know without "ruining" the effect they're going for. I'd be okay with the kids not knowing as long as the parents know everything. Then, as a parent, I can reassure my child and even share some information if that's what's best for my child. IMHO, leadership is wrong to not share everything with the parents. Honestly, I'd be afraid of over-the-top theatrics in this scenario (staged arrests or worse). Kind of along the lines of the slavery and shooter things that have happened at schools. :grouphug: to your ds...this really stinks. :iagree::iagree: There is no way I would let me dd attend a mock scenario like this. She suffers from anxiety and needs to know what's going to happen, plus that kind of scenario would scare her to death. I'm guessing the youth leader is single or young married with no kids? That is the only explanation I can give for this ignorant behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer in MI Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Posting late on this with another HECK no!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfgivas Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 :grouphug: yuck. not healthy. not safe. so no. your denominations lawyers would be spinning if they knew.... accountable ministry, not secretive ministry.... pick up the phone. call the senior pastor. and call your presbytery/diocese youth coordinator and ask what you can do at this late date. a permission form has to state where they will be, how they will be getting there, who will be accountable and when they will be returning. oh man.... ann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie in CA Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 They are intentionally not telling. It is supposed to be a simulation of the persecuted church. I had no idea this was what would be happening. Ds has been looking forward to the event for months. :mad: My dh would be on the doorstep, explaining "liability issues" to those who may have forgotten. It's not even just about parental control, it's also about whether this is even a wise thing for the church to do. If they don't budge, my kid would not be going. My dh is in church leadership, and he would also be spending large amounts of time examining why this was ever considered acceptable and who it was that was making such poor decisions. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom4him Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Nope! NADDA! Absolutely NO WAY!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigger Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No way, absolutely not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipsey Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't it be fun to call the cops and give them a very authentic "persecuted church" experience? :lol: I love you. :lol: Oh, and no. No, no, no. I would not let them go. And I'm a pretty open-handed, free-range Mama. Edited January 13, 2012 by Ipsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remudamom Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 This is sick. No way. But I want to know the name of your church, honestly, I've seen a lot of lame @$$ dip $h!t youth stuff but this one really deserves an award for the most idiotic, ill conceived notion that stupid youth leaders have EVER come up with. I'll pay for the award myself, all I need is an address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoxcell Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Not a chance:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Shari, is anyone you know allowing their dc to attend? I can't imagine any parent going along with something so incredibly stupid. And for what possible reason would they want to do a "simulation of the persecuted church???" I can already imagine this whole thing going terribly, terribly wrong. Does your pastor know about this? I would be on the phone immediately to let him or her know exactly what I thought of this ridiculous plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuirkyKapers Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No- I am not sure how parents knowing the location of their children would affect not being able to achieve their goal. What about parents who send their children with cell phones? Have they banned that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCrazyMama Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 For real? Never. I don't care what the leadership wants to say it is about. Not in a million years would I ever allow something like that. :iagree: Crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 No- I am not sure how parents knowing the location of their children would affect not being able to achieve their goal. What about parents who send their children with cell phones? Have they banned that? Electronics are banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paintedlady Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No I wouldn't, and this kind of stuff is why I won't allow my kids to participate in youth group, even though we know and like the pastor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMCassandra Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No. Stinkin. Way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnsinkableKristen Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I would not let them go. And I'm a pretty open-handed, free-range Mama. :iagree: This is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamrachelle Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 When monkeys fly. Or pigs. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Well pigs have flown today, the WTM is unanimous on a church issue. :svengo: No, freakin' way. I'm pretty non-confrontational, but I'd be on the phone with the youth pastor all the way to senior pastor. What an insipid idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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