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I have heard that magnesium can help with cramps. I have been looking around on this board and on the internet, and it doesn't state how much to take(without overdosing and getting diarrhea from it).

 

How much should I start with, and do I take it all month, or only before I start my period?

 

Is it safe to take if you are on a beta blocker?

 

I also would like to take Vitex. Which is the best brand out there, and is it okay to take with Natural Progesterone?

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I have heard that magnesium can help with cramps. I have been looking around on this board and on the internet, and it doesn't state how much to take(without overdosing and getting diarrhea from it).

How much should I start with, and do I take it all month, or only before I start my period?

Is it safe to take if you are on a beta blocker?

I also would like to take Vitex. Which is the best brand out there, and is it okay to take with Natural Progesterone?

Yes, magnesium is great for cramps, etc. Anywhere from 400 mg (minimum for most) to 1200 mg is fine. Glycinate won't give you diarrhea. Let me get back to you later. I have the info, but not on me right now.

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I take magnesium glycinate (from Swanson Vitamins) - 600 to 800 mg a day, all month long. It has really helped with cramping, and my neurologist also recommended it for migraines, so I take it all the time. I've taken Vitex for years, although for most of those, it was tea made from the herb itself. Now I'm taking a perimenopause formula (Enzymatic Therapy) that has 40 mg in it. I don't know about taking it with progesterone, though.

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ok. I just need to double check and make sure magnesium is okay to take if you take a Beta Blocker. It only says it interacts with Calcium Channel Blockers, but just in case.................

 

And, bumping on the Vitex question(brand), and nat. progesterone together

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I'll share all the info I have on magnesium.

I vary my dosages according to time of the month.

I take more right before and in the week of my period.

I take a week's break from it a week or two after.

I have a schedule set up. That's because I'm that sort of personality - a bit of a nut-job when it comes to organization and structure. My body does better when I give it a bit of a challenge and don't take every single supplement every single day.

I don't think beta blockers should be a problem. Then again, I'm not sure. I would google it or ask a good pharmacist or someone who knows.

I take magnesium with Vitex & Natural Progesterone (Emerita, in my case). I have had no problems with it. Then again, my body is not that sensitive. You could build it up gradually and see how your body handles it.

I love magnesium. My favorite mineral. :D

 

Magnesium is a key mineral that many are deficient in.

Anything that is tight, irritable, crampy, and stiff -- whether it is a body part or an even a mood -- is a sign of magnesium deficiency.

 

Symptoms of Magnesium Deficiency:

Anal spasms

Angina

Anxiety

Arthritis

Asthma

Autism

ADD

Blood Clots

Bowel Disease

Cardiac Arrhytmias (rapid heartbeat)

Chronic fatigue

Constipation

Craving for Chocolate (interestingly, chocolate is highest in magnesium of all foods)

Cystitis

Depression

Diabetes

Fatigue

Fibromyalgia

GERD - Magnesium deficiency is one of the causes of reflux because magnesium helps the sphincter at the bottom of the stomach relax, allowing the food to go down.

Headaches - anything that feels tight or cramp-like

Heart Attacks

High Blood Pressure

Hypoglycemia

Inflammation in the body and higher CRP levels

Insomnia

Irregular, Rapid Heartbeat

Irritable bladder

Irritable bowel syndrome

Irritability

Joint Pain

Kidney Disease

Kidney stones

Leg Cramps

Menstrual cramps

Menopausal Disorders

Migraines

Muscle cramps or twitching or spasms

Nervousness

Obesity

Osteoporosis

Palpitations

PMS

Raynaud’s Syndrome

Reflux - Magnesium deficiency is one of the causes of reflux because magnesium helps the sphincter at the bottom of the stomach relax, allowing the food to go down.

Restless Legs

Sensitivity to loud noises

Sleep Disorders

Spasms

Stress

Tooth Decay

Tremors

Trouble swallowing

Unexpected Cardiac Death

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BENEFITS OF MAGNESIUM INCLUDING ABOVE

BONE HEALTH

Bone density and overall bone health

Magnesium is key to good bone health, balancing calcium and converting vitamin D for better calcium absorption. Without enough magnesium, the calcium you take will not be absorbed. Unabsorbed calcium that is not excreted (and most isn’t) gets into your joints where it becomes arthritis or in your arteries where it becomes atherosclerosis. Taking more magnesium can prevent your blood vessels from calcifying and developing into atherosclerosis.

 

IMPROVES SLEEP

Think of magnesium as the relaxation mineral.

Helps maintain healthy melatonin levels

Marvelous for just about everything including periodic nocturnal awakenings when it can coax you gently back to sleep

 

HEART HEALTH

Magnesium deficiency is common in those with heart disease.

Helps muscles, including the heart, relax

Lowers total and LDL cholesterol and triglycerides, while raising HDL (good) cholesterol

Appears to reduce high blood pressure, cutting the risk of heart attack and stroke

Lessens the risk of heart arrhythmia and limits the complications of congestive heart failure

Magnesium, a natural calcium channel blocker, is an effective treatment for heart attacks and cardiac arrhythmias. An astounding number of studies have documented the effectiveness of IV magnesium in helping prevent cardiac damage and even death following a heart attack. The reason for this is that 40 to 60 percent of sudden deaths from heart attack are the result of spasm in the arteries, not blockage from clots or arrhythmias!

Without adequate magnesium, blood vessels constrict and blood pressure increases.

Magnesium keeps excessive sodium out of your heart. Sodium attracts water, so a magnesium deficiency can contribute to edema (swelling) in your heart or lungs.

 

KIDNEY STONES

Helps prevent formation of those painful kidney stones (calcium oxalate crystals)

 

DETOXIFICATION

Helps the liver do its all-important job of detoxification by acting as an escort to toxins—including estrogens—as they leave the body

 

CONSTIPATION

Magnesium helps keep bowels regular by maintaining normal bowel muscle function. Milk of magnesia has been used for decades to help constipation.

Magnesium helps restore good bowel tone and normal peristalsis – that alternating muscle relaxation and contraction in the intestines.

HEADACHES AND MIGRAINES

Helps occasional headaches that can come with caffeine withdrawal

Magnesium helps eliminate peripheral nerve disturbances that can lead to migraines

There’s a strong correlation between migraines and hormonal fluctuations. Estrogen hormones (right before, during, or immediately after your period) can block the body’s absorption of magnesium, leading to low blood levels of this mineral.

A number of scientific studies found low levels of magnesium in people with migraines. Many women with monthly migraines have low blood levels of magnesium.

Remember that the more calcium you take, the more magnesium you need. Try cutting back on calcium while you increase your magnesium and see how this change affects your migraines.

 

RESTLESS LEGS SYNDROME

Is a natural muscle and nerve relaxant that calms the involuntary spasms and creepy-crawly sensations of RLS (restless legs syndrome)

 

SKIN HEALTH

Keeps skin fresh and moist

 

ANXIETY, PANIC ATTACKS, AND DEPRESSION

Magnesium helps keep adrenal stress hormones under control and also helps maintain normal brain function.

Crucial for the synthesis of serotonin and other neurotransmitters Magnesium is usually lacking in those with depression. In fact, one study reported “rapid recovery from major depression†after treatment with magnesium, and found that magnesium helped relieve the anxiety and insomnia often associated with depression.

Many women have an undiagnosed magnesium deficiency, which can contribute to anxiety

 

ASTHMA

Magnesium helps relax the muscles of the bronchioles in the lungs.

 

INFERTILITY

Magnesium can relax spasms in fallopian tubes that prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus.

 

NERVE PROBLEMS AND MUSCLE SPASMS

Magnesium helps eliminate peripheral nerve disturbances that can lead to migraines, leg and foot cramps, gastrointestinal cramps, and other muscle aches and pains.

 

PMS RELIEF AND MENSTRUAL PAIN RELIEF

 

RELIEVES CHRONIC FATIGUE AND FIBROMYALGIA

Some people with chronic fatigue have diets that are very high in calcium and low in magnesium. Once they increase their magnesium (beans, whole grains, green vegetables) and eliminate dairy products (worth trying for at least 2 weeks), their symptoms are greatly lessened. You may very well need more magnesium.

Magnesium is one of the best nutrients – if not, the best – both for energy production and pain control. Everyone who has CFIDS or fibromyalgia – or even general fatigue – should try increasing their magnesium before turning to more expensive remedies.

While magnesium won’t eliminate fibromyalgia completely, it often plays a major role in improving energy, reducing pain, and lessening other symptoms.

Malic acid is an acid found in apples and other fruits. It reduces fibromyalgia pain. When you add malic acid to magnesium, you have a powerful supplement that can reduce fatigue in a few weeks, and reduce your pain in a few days.

 

CHOCOLATE CRAVINGS

Craving chocolate can be a sign of a calcium/magnesium imbalance. It could mean that you’re getting too much calcium and not enough magnesium. Most women need 500-600 mg a day each of supplemental calcium and magnesium. The rest we get from a healthy diet. But we’re being told to take 1500 mg calcium and half as much magnesium. This isn’t enough magnesium and our chocolate craving tells us so.

Magnesium is excreted in higher-than-usual quantities when you’re under stress. This is why so many women crave chocolate before menstruation, a time when magnesium levels are lower from physiological stress. When magnesium is increased, chocolate cravings decrease.

 

HELPS INSULIN RESISTANCE AND DIABETES

Low magnesium leads to increased insulin resistance. When this happens, blood sugar levels rise and remain high. This can contribute to diabetes. Magnesium’s role in insulin resistance translates into low energy. Too much or too little glucose in your blood causes fatigue. If low blood sugar is contributing to your fatigue, be sure to eat a diet low in refined sugars and starches. And get plenty of magnesium.

 

CANCER

Increasing the amount of magnesium may decrease your risk of cancer. Magnesium helps DNA repair itself, which is crucial for preventing cells from mutating and becoming cancerous

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HOW MUCH TO TAKE

For most people on a healthy diet, 400 mg of Magnesium daily should be sufficient. But for those who have symptoms of deficiency (and most of us are deficient), I would recommend more, but probably no more than 1200 mg. Add in more magnesium gradually. Your body knows how much it can handle according to how much your bowels can tolerate. The stools should feel soft, but not excessively loose.

Take in divided doses and with meals to ensure optimal absorption – preferably more at night

I have read that it’s preferable to not take magnesium at the same time as calcium. Others say that it’s fine. This is where I am confused. I think the former makes more sense.

The most absorbable forms are:

Magnesium Citrate

Magnesium Glycinate

Magnesium Taurate

Magnesium Aspartate

Magnesium Malate

Magnesium Succinate

Magnesium Fumirate

 

Avoid:

Magnesium Oxide

Magnesium Carbonate

Magnesium Gluconate

Magnesium Sulfate

These are not absorbed well and are the cheapest forms

 

Side effects from too much magnesium include diarrhea, which can be avoided if you switch to Magnesium Glycinate.

People with kidney disease or severe heart disease should take magnesium only under a doctor's supervision.

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NATURAL SOURCES

Almonds

Avocado

Barley

Beans

Brazil nuts

Brown rice

Buckwheat

Dark Chocolate

Dates

Figs

Garlic

Greens (including Collard Greens and Dandelion Greens)

Kelp

Molasses

Millet

Parsley

Pecans

Rye

Sea vegetables (seaweed and kelp – but make sure they come from non-polluted waters and are high-quality)

Shrimp

Walnuts

Whole Grains

Wheat bran

Wheat germ

 

EPSOM SALTS BATH

Taking a bath or a foot soak with Epsom salts is one of the best ways to increase the body’s absorption of magnesium. Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfate and are easily absorbed by the body.

Take a hot bath with up to 2 cups of Epsom salts and 1 cup baking soda (optional) to help draw toxins out of the body. Try to do this once a week, but for no more than 20 minutes. A foot soak can also be very beneficial.

Epsom salts are so helpful in bringing relief to:

• Arthritis pain, stiffness, soreness, and tightness of joints

• Muscle aches, pains and tenderness

• Painful bruises, sprains and strains

• Pain from over exertion as a result of exercise

• Insomnia and Sleep Problems

• Stress

• Insect Bites and Splinters

 

REASONS FOR MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY

Diets that are highly-processed and refined – mostly white flour, red meat, and dairy – none of these have magnesium. Food processing removes much of the magnesium (as well as other minerals) that’s naturally found in certain foods.

Antacids and other indigestion medicines disrupt magnesium absorption.

Modern farming practices deplete magnesium and other minerals in the soil.

Medications including diuretics, birth control pills, insulin, tetracycline and other antibiotics, and cortisone lead to magnesium deficiencies.

Too much calcium often leads to an imbalance . These two minerals need to be in balance.

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I take Magnesium by "Jigsaw". They recommend 4 caps a day. After taking 4 for a month, I reduced to 3, this seems to be a good amount for me.

Dr. Carol Dean has a website on the benefits of magnesium.

I do take bio-identical progesterone and it does not seem to cause any trouble.

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Can you recommend a brand of Magnesium, and Vitex?

You're most welcome. :)

 

Magnesium - we take KAL (you can get it from amazon or vitacost) Magnesium Glycinate. Bear in mind, they're huge horse pills, which dh does not like. KAL is a very good brand. There are many others that are good. I just got Solaray and I like their stuff a lot also. I think that for most magnesium, if you take the right type (as I mentioned in the previous post), Glycinate, Citrate, etc. and avoid the cheaper, not-so-good ones, you should be okay.

 

Vitex - I take Nature's Way, which I like a lot also. Good prices and it was the only one available here.

 

As to deciding which brands are good, this list is by no means complete. This is all based on my reading and my own experience.

 

WHAT I PREFER

Bio-available when possible – these are best absorbed. Many bio-available forms are patented and identified on the label. Magnesium or Vitex may not fall under this category, just know that any time you see the word "bio-available" it's a good thing.

 

Anything with a short ingredient list – no soybean oil, no sugar, starches, colorings, soy, etc. – the less things in it, the better! With vitacost, you can click on side bar buttons to say that you're looking for something without soy, etc.

 

MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE – IF I COULD

If I lived in the U.S., I would try my utmost to get as much as I could from Standard Process - which you have to buy from an alternatiave health care practitioner. Standard Process is wonderful. But they don't have every single supplement. They're very specialized.

 

ALKALIZING MULTI VITAMINS AND MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS

Most of us have systems that are overly acidic. Working towards a system that is balanced or more alkaline is the key to overall health. These supplements are said to be very good for alkalizing the body.

• http://www.auntiegs.com/index.php

12 Systems Synergistic Multiple – one tablet per meal

 

• Vita Lea (Shaklee) – one tablet with each meal

 

• Bio Strath – One teaspoon with each meal or tablet as indicated – I saw it on vitacost

 

AFTER THAT

I prefer searching for good brands on vitacost or amazon – reading reviews, and looking at brands. The following are brands that I like and trust:

Carlson’s

Nature’s Way

Twin Labs

KAL

Enzymatic Therapy

Green Magma – for green, alkalizing drink

Solgar

Source Naturals

Rainbow Light

Solaray

NOW

Swanson

UniKey (do a google search)

New Chapter Organics

 

Brands I've heard good things about, but have not yet tried, and don’t yet know enough about:

Aerobic Life Products

Blue-Green Algae

Country Life

Darwin’s

Gaia Herbs

Health from the Sun

Jarrow

Kyo-Green

Member’s Mark

Metagenics

Nature’s Plus

Nature’s Sunshine

Nordic Naturals

Planetary Formulas

Pure Encapsulations

Puritan’s Pride

Shaklee

Trace Minerals Research

Vitamin World

Zone Perfect

 

HTH. :)

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I would go with Nature's Way Vitex and magnesium is wonderful. Epsom salt baths are a good way to get your magnesium levels up too. I think citrate and glycinate work the same and all magnesium will relax your bowels if you take too much. You have to tell how much you can tolerate. I would start at a 400mg doase and work up to see how much you can handle without bathroom issues.

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I ordered the Jigsaw Magnesium SRT that Liz in CA suggested. It was a little pricey but they have a 90 day money back guarantee. I spoke live with a rep to get the size of the pills(important to me) and he says they are tad bigger then the oblong Tylenol pills. Which is fine. (My NOW vitamins are HUGE). This is dimagnesium malate, and in looking at Negrin's list, it is supposed to be one of the absorbable ones. You take 2 in the morning and two at night for 500mg. And it is Sustained release, and not supposed to have the bowel issues(I take iron so it really doesnt matter to me anyways if my stools get loose!)

 

I will order the Vitex from Natures Way. I still don't know if you can take that with Nat progesterone together.

 

Oh, and Negrin, my Dr said it was fine to take magnesium with the BP meds I am on.

 

I have anxiety, depression, IBS, heart palps(was checked out all is fine), and bad cramps. So hopefully the mag will help.

 

Thanks!:D

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I will order the Vitex from Natures Way. I still don't know if you can take that with Nat progesterone together.

Oh, and Negrin, my Dr said it was fine to take magnesium with the BP meds I am on.

I have anxiety, depression, IBS, heart palps(was checked out all is fine), and bad cramps. So hopefully the mag will help.

I think you should be fine with the natural progesterone and the Vitex. If you're concerned, you could add in the Vitex gradually. 1 capsule a few times a week, then daily, and so on. Most of the herbs in these things are very minimal anyway. It's hard to overdose on them or to get negative reactions.

The magnesium should help with your BP. Glad to hear that your dr. said it's okay.

Magnesium should help with all the conditions you describe. If you need more specific tips for each one, start new threads if you want. I'll be glad to share tips.

Hope you feel much better very soon. :grouphug: I think of you so often.

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