Jeanne in MN Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) An old friend was visiting tonight with her new husband of 3 years. (She was a widow when they married) At supper, the husband says, "Do you know that in 2 Timothy 3:16 it says there is no truth in the Koran, the Book of Mormons, the catechism and the WatchTower-Jehovah's Witness material? I'll show it to you after supper." I'm thinking-We know you don't mean all that literally, so what are you getting at?? As a Catholic, the catechism part made me pause especially. And from what I've seen of the Watchtower magazine-that's more of an educational pamphlet-hardly comparable to the Koran or Book of Mormons in it's purpose. Then he went on to tell us how he grew up Catholic, his family is still Catholic, (he's Baptist) and something about a Bible study his mom attended. Then we were interrupted by kids and it got dropped. I was hoping it would be dropped for good. Right as they were leaving, he reminded us of the verse. Speaking in the direction of my husband the whole time, he started to explain how things get lost in translation. "Petra meaning 'rock', but petro means 'mountain range' for example." His wife was trying to get out the door and he finally just followed her and never got around to his point. I am guessing he was maybe trying to tell us the catechism is not a justifiable means of God's word or something? But why would anyone think it could replace the Bible anyway? Was he trying to tell us we Catholics have it wrong? I don't know. Any guesses? Edited December 30, 2011 by Jeanne in MN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think the guy sounds like a jerk, and you should definitely reconsider having any more dinners with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Why don't you ask him? I hate guessing at what other people were trying to get at. (I don't trust myself to get it right.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCyndiGirl Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Maybe his verses are mixed up? "All who live a godly life will suffer" doesn't seem to have much to do with other texts or maybe I don't understand his special interpretation? :confused: Methinks that his wife was wise to shuffle him out the door? :tongue_smilie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silliness7 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I wouldn't take it as specific Catholic-bashing. Some Protestants have catechisms as well. I know there are some flavor of Baptists that are very anti creed/catechism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yuck. I agree, it sounds like she headed him off at the pass. Maybe she's having a lovely conversation with him right now about how to treat her friends. He may be small-talk deficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewingmama Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Do you know that in 2 Timothy 3:12 it says there is no truth in the Koran, the Book of Mormons, the catechism and the WatchTower-Jehovah's Witness material? I'll show it to you after supper." I'm thinking-We know you don't mean all that literally, so what are you getting at?? KJV 2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution Nope I have no clue - maybe he quoted the wrong scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Is he saying that none of the members of those religions suffer?:confused: Yeah, I'm guessing it's the wrong verse (unless that's part of the translation thing he was talking about:confused:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forget-Me-Not Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Guessing he had the wrong verse. I've heard the 'petra' argument in relation to Matthew 16:18: 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Maybe that's what he meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewingmama Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Is he saying that none of the members of those religions suffer?:confused: Which is funny because if he ever read The Book Of Mormon he would see that Mormons sufferred a LOT :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forget-Me-Not Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Which is funny because if he ever read The Book Of Mormon he would see that Mormons suffer a LOT :D :lol: Or bothered to read even a tiny bit of the history of the LDS faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanne in MN Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Ooops! It's 2 Timothy 3:16 not vs. 12. An old friend was visiting tonight with her new husband of 3 years. (She was a widow when they married) At supper, the husband says, "Do you know that in 2 Timothy 3:12 it says there is no truth in the Koran, the Book of Mormons, the catechism and the WatchTower-Jehovah's Witness material? I'll show it to you after supper." I'm thinking-We know you don't mean all that literally, so what are you getting at?? As a Catholic, the catechism part made me pause especially. And from what I've seen of the Watchtower magazine-that's more of an educational pamphlet-hardly comparable to the Koran or Book of Mormons in it's purpose. Then he went on to tell us how he grew up Catholic, his family is still Catholic, (he's Baptist) and something about a Bible study his mom attended. Then we were interrupted by kids and it got dropped. I was hoping it would be dropped for good. Right as they were leaving, he reminded us of the verse. Speaking in the direction of my husband the whole time, he started to explain how things get lost in translation. "Petra meaning 'rock', but petro means 'mountain range' for example." His wife was trying to get out the door and he finally just followed her and never got around to his point. I am guessing he was maybe trying to tell us the catechism is not a justifiable means of God's word or something? But why would anyone think it could replace the Bible anyway? Was he trying to tell us we Catholics have it wrong? I don't know. Any guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 OH. That's the one that says all scripture (meaning the KJV in his hand, probably, in English) is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, instruction, etc. that the man of God may be perfect (or complete) thoroughly equipped to all good work. So that proves the Bible (again, his version) is the only authorized Holy book from God and everything that anyone needs for salvation is found in it alone. Which sweeps away the Catholic Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Koran, and the Message Bible. Very, very rude thing to say to old friends of your new wife when you don't know if they even share your beliefs or care to discuss religion. No boundaries, no manners, no tact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanne in MN Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 I really wanted to, but number one-I didn't want to lead him on and two-I didn't want to put his wife, my friend, in an awkward situation. I think I will ask my friend about it when they get back home. They fly out in a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewingmama Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 KJV 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: I don't see how this proves that the other religions are wrong :confused: LDS beliefs absolutely accept this as true -but it all depends whether you accept that the Book Of Mormon was inspired of God -which obviously your friend doesn't :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fhjmom Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Ooops! It's 2 Timothy 3:16 not vs. 12. 2 Timothy 3:16 English Standard Version (ESV) 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Quite a leap from this to what he was saying. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 It's the "thoroughly equipped" part, sewingmama. If you have been thoroughly equipped with that scripture you are wrong to give any weight to other scripture. I learned this in the church of Christ, and some other denominations teach it, too. It is one of the go-to verses to prove that Mormons and Catholics are not Christians. (I'm sorry, but it's not a pretty idea so I don't know a pretty way to say it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCyndiGirl Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Would it be unkind to say that this guy sounds like an a$hat? I'm sorry, but it seems that your friend has inadvertantly married my mom's ex-husband. :glare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Maybe he's twisting that to mean denomimations with books other than the Bible aren't really Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 :001_huh: I hope I haven't offended anyone or everyone. If so, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Oh, I know the answer to this! He is recently converted and he's proselytizing to you at your own dinner party. Real class act, that one. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewingmama Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 It's the "thoroughly equipped" part, sewingmama. I must admit I was confused for a minute but then realised we are quoting from different versions of the Bible - mine does not include those words ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Sorry, I lumped those two verses together in mind because I was raised by people like that man's ilk. You're right, the 'thoroughly equipped' part is verse 17, the second half of the sentence. I'm sure if he said 3:16 he was including the rest of the sentence. 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewingmama Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yeah I kinda guessed that - I just looked it up. I take a different meaning from it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Rain Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Oh, I know the answer to this! He is recently converted and he's proselytizing to you at your own dinner party. Real class act, that one. Not. :lol::iagree: Was your friend mortified? It sounds very awkward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annandatje Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Probably a misguided effort at proselytizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Let's give it a rest, people. Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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