Parrothead Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I don't fall into that category, but if it is a mistake where people didn't realize it would be an issue, I don't see any point in being upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIE! Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? Not if the alcohol was REALLY gone. It takes a lot longer than most people think (see here for details), and even then there are always trace amounts left. If I did eat something with alcohol in it I wouldn't feel I had sinned or anything - since I didn't know in advance. I also wouldn't blame the host, unless they knew my convictions and did it on purpose. But I'd be kicking myself for not asking beforehand and I'd be more careful at that person's house in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4everHis Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) and if you don't drink it's probably because of the alcohol and the alchohol was cooked out. . . . so. . . no, I wouldn't be upset. In the end, isn't it a heart issue? You weren't truly 'drinking' and you're heart was definitely not in disobedience mode. I'm thinking God doesn't count it as sin towards you. mho Edited November 17, 2011 by connib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't be upset. I would prefer otherwise, but if it happened, it happened. No harm done. Although, just so you know, all the alcohol almost never cooks out. There's usually some left. Link ETA: I'm assuming it was an accident (host didn't know I don't drink). If it was on purpose I might be a little upset that I wasn't informed so I could make the decision whether or not to eat the item. Edited November 17, 2011 by MeaganS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beimao Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I personally don't drink for religious reasons, but if consuming alcohol was an accident then I wouldn't worry or be upset at the person. On the other hand, if someone were to purposely try to deceive me into something, anything, against my personal beliefs than of course I would have reason to feel upset. Who wouldn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIzumi Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 No, not if it's one of the almost-entirely-cooked-out methods. Vanilla extract is in alcohol and no one cares about that, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annandatje Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie75 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 So does the alcohol in vanilla extract not cook out in cookies, cakes, ect? If you don't drink for religious reasons do you leave the vanilla out of your baked goods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 personally, it wouldn't bother me - though I would appreciate being warned. I'm not keen on grand marnier (I'm a purist - orange and chocolate just doesn't do it for me), but depending upon the item might tolerate it. pure flavorings have a lot of alcohol in them. otoh: I wasn't warned the chocolate mousse I ordered was made with espresso - I sent it back. (usually a restaurant will have that in its description. they didn't.) I realize my feelings about coffee are so strong because the sight of my mother's glass of milk with folger's coffee crystals floating on top was gross. I don't even tolerate the smell. I do sub cranberry juice for red-wine in recipes - but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I wouldn't be too upset just no tiramusu for dessert please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 So does the alcohol in vanilla extract not cook out in cookies, cakes, etc? If you don't drink for religious reasons do you leave the vanilla out of your baked goods? We leave it in. It is impossible to get rid of all alcohol (think bread), and for us it is more about not drinking alcohol. It's a spirit of the law kind of thing for us. Some others may be stricter, but most people I know who are like me are just fine with vanilla and other extracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denise in Florida Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I cook with wine quite frequently. I would not want to unthinkingly serve someone alchol who does not want it. If I was the person consuming the food it obviously would not bother me. If I were the cook who inadvertently did this I would be upset and apologetic. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I would be upset. As a hostess I would not cook something in alcohol if I knew one of my guests didn't drink. Do I really know they don't drink for religious reasons? What if they've had issues with alcohol in the past and just don't pass that information around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmyopinion Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 No it would not bother me, and I do eat Tiramisu (spelling?). Cooking with alcohol and consuming a drink are two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginevra Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? I drink alcohol, but my parents never consume alcohol in any form, including not eating Chicken Marsala, Coq A Vin, Rum Cake, etc. Knowing that, I would never serve them these meals. It would not surprise me if they were upset to learn that they consumed alcohol inadvertently, unless they were eating somewhere in which the host had no idea they kept to rules that strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 No, not if it's one of the almost-entirely-cooked-out methods. Vanilla extract is in alcohol and no one cares about that, eh? There are lots of Mormon women who refuse to use pure vanilla extract. They use imitation vanilla. I am more of a spirit of the law type of person myself. I have a bottle of cooking wine in my cupboard. I haven't used it much since I heard it was so overloaded with salt :glare: I just use white grape juice instead. Isn't that funny? Silly little Mormon me, opposed to the salt content but not the alcohol. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 It might depend upon if those convictions were about getting drunk (and avoiding drinking to avoid getting drunk) or avoiding every.single.trace. of alcohol. I *have* seen some odd judgement passed onto a (fantastic) cook who keeps alcohol (for the sole purpose of her fantastic cooking) in her cupboards. Noses were upturned at her lack of convictions...eventhough they ate her cooking. That said, I'd politely make it clear what's in the dish so that the guest can politely decline, if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There are lots of Mormon women who refuse to use pure vanilla extract. They use imitation vanilla. I am more of a spirit of the law type of person myself. I have a bottle of cooking wine in my cupboard. I haven't used it much since I heard it was so overloaded with salt :glare: I just use white grape juice instead. Isn't that funny? Silly little Mormon me, opposed to the salt content but not the alcohol. :lol: I am glad I was raised by a convert! I use real vanilla without a second thought! :D I also have wine in my cupboard from when I was making a roast ala Weston Price cooking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 No it would not bother me, and I do eat Tiramisu (spelling?). Cooking with alcohol and consuming a drink are two different things. Don't drink coffee otherwise I probably would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan in KY Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Nope, not a bit. The Bible says, alternately, "be not drunk," and "eat what is set before you." We don't drink because we know a number of people who are former alcoholics, and we don't wish to ever contribute to another person stumbling back into alcoholism. As long as I am not imbibing, my conscience is clear that I am not intentionally causing someone else to fall. I suppose you should take my response with a grain of salt, however. I do cook with wine, but I leave it out if I know or am unsure if person I am sharing my meal with has a problem with alcohol. For a long time I didn't even cook with it, but we moved away from a church that ministered to a large population of recovering addicts and the Italian in me appealed to my taste buds. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMDRAD Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? I don't drink. After growing up watching it destroy families, I hate it. That said, I don't have a problem with people cooking with wine. I don't do it because of the whole avoiding the appearance of evil thing. But I've used cooking wine and I've ordered dishes made with alcohol. As far as I know, nobody has abused their spouse and family after eating Chicken Marsala. I'm Bible Believing Baptist, by the way. I think a Mormon might be offended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) I am glad I was raised by a convert! I use real vanilla without a second thought! :D I also have wine in my cupboard from when I was making a roast ala Weston Price cooking. has nothing to do when they joined the church - some converts are stricter than lifers. I use the real flavorings becasue I want quality ingredients. imitation vanilla? yuck. I can tell the difference between chocolate made with vanilla and that using the fake stuff. If I"m going to be imbibing all those calories - they'd darn better taste good! Edited November 17, 2011 by gardenmom5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennsmile Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 has nothing to do when they joined the church - some converts are stricter than lifers. I use the real flavorings becasue I want quality ingredients. imitation vanilla? yuck. I can tell the difference between chocolate made with vanilla and that using the fake stuff. True but my parents are liberal in some ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trish Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Oops non-religious response. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoObvious Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There are lots of Mormon women who refuse to use pure vanilla extract. They use imitation vanilla. I am more of a spirit of the law type of person myself. I have a bottle of cooking wine in my cupboard. I haven't used it much since I heard it was so overloaded with salt :glare: I just use white grape juice instead. Isn't that funny? Silly little Mormon me, opposed to the salt content but not the alcohol. :lol: Lots? Really? My husband was raised Mormon in Lehi, his whole family is Mormon, we lived in Utah for 8 years and about 80% of our friends are Mormon. I've never, ever heard this before. Although, I also don't know ANYone who won't drink caffeinated sodas, either. Maybe I'm hanging out with the liberal Mormons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am glad I was raised by a convert! I use real vanilla without a second thought! :D I also have wine in my cupboard from when I was making a roast ala Weston Price cooking. Lots of us raised in the church don't care either :) Plus, my mom was brought up with authentic Chinese cooking. They use lots of Mirin. Yummm...my mouth is watering just thinking about chicken and cashews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheryl in NM Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? 1. the alcohol is gone 2. I personally feel that God would rather I enjoy the company of people and take the opportunity to show his love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveOaksAcademy Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Not at all. I cook with alcohol. I don't think it's really "religious" reasons that I don't drink, but basically Christ intervened in my life and saved me from a lifestyle that involved alcohol so I left it behind. My experience may not be exactly what you're looking for, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskool Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) It depends on the situation. If it is a person I don't know well and I think their intention was to provide a lovely meal for me and didn't either know about or understand the alcohol issue, then I would not reject the food or be insulted in any way. On the other hand, if the person cooking has full knowledge of my faith and also know that I do avoid alcohol, but they serve something with alcohol anyways and without telling me, then yes I would be annoyed. From my understanding there is no way to cook out all of the alcohol, so when people tell me that it still doesn't make a difference to me. Lesley Edited November 17, 2011 by oldskool clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Lots? Really? My husband was raised Mormon in Lehi, his whole family is Mormon, we lived in Utah for 8 years and about 80% of our friends are Mormon. I've never, ever heard this before. Although, I also don't know ANYone who won't drink caffeinated sodas, either. Maybe I'm hanging out with the liberal Mormons... My mom knew people in our South Carolina ward who wouldn't. I saw an article, I think on LDS Living, where they were talking about wine in cooking. For the life of me, I can't find it now. (It was about 8 months ago when I saw it, shortly after my daughter was born. Forgive me for not remembering all that much about the article itself.) You would not believe the judgment thrown at people who use vanilla extract or cooking wine. Very judgmental. That's what I remember most about the article. EEK! Here it is! Edited November 17, 2011 by meggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriedClams Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Yes. I would not mind at all if they let me know ahead of time, even at the time of serving. But for me, it's religious and personal. Edited November 17, 2011 by Kayaking Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In2why Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 would you be upset if you found out that the food you just ate as a guest at someone else's Thanksgiving meal was made (cooked so the alcohol is gone) with Grand Marnier? If they knew that I didn't drink alcohol, and didn't inform me the dish had alcohol in it so that I could make the decision then I would be upset. (not for religious reasons, but I do not drink alcohol. I do eat food cooked with alcohol depending what it is and how it was prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Well, I called and she (and her family by extension) are fine with it. :D Thanks for all of the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIzumi Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There are lots of Mormon women who refuse to use pure vanilla extract. They use imitation vanilla. I am more of a spirit of the law type of person myself. I have a bottle of cooking wine in my cupboard. I haven't used it much since I heard it was so overloaded with salt :glare: I just use white grape juice instead. Isn't that funny? Silly little Mormon me, opposed to the salt content but not the alcohol. :lol: So, we can invite you over for Chicken Marsala? I'm on the fence about cooking with wine in the pan, since it's less effective at reducing the alcohol, but if dh makes it I'm gonna eat it, lol! And use the real extract, thankyouverymuch. :lol: I'll have to check my respected-church-position dad's cupboard but I'm pretty sure he uses real vanilla. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 So, we can invite you over for Chicken Marsala? I'm on the fence about cooking with wine in the pan, since it's less effective at reducing the alcohol, but if dh makes it I'm gonna eat it, lol! And use the real extract, thankyouverymuch. :lol: I'll have to check my respected-church-position dad's cupboard but I'm pretty sure he uses real vanilla. :tongue_smilie: You can invite me over for anything and I'd eat it (and return your glove which I found in my back pack the other day, OY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIzumi Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 You can invite me over for anything and I'd eat it (and return your glove which I found in my back pack the other day, OY! Oh yes, the missing glove, lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virg Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 DH and I drink a glass of wine on occasion but my family does NOT drink alcohol. I have never seen anyone in my immediate or entire extended family drink anything ever. They all cook with wine all the time though. They cook it out. They don't believe drinking is a sin in and of itself but that it can lead to sin. I always figured that putting it in your soup wouldn't lead to sin and so they didn't care about that lol but I have never asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Oh yes, the missing glove, lol! would you like me to mail it to you? message me your address please.:001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amey311 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I am more of a spirit of the law type of person myself. I have a bottle of cooking wine in my cupboard. I haven't used it much since I heard it was so overloaded with salt I've heard that "Cooking wine" is crap and you're better off just using regular wine. I can get small (1-2 glass) bottles in my grocery store, so that's what I buy when I need just a little. If you're in Utah, the package store (is that what they're called? the liquor store. they were "package stores" in NY) might sell something similar if you'd like to cook with wine once and see how it goes. White wine is lovely in chicken piccata :) I'm not LDS, i just don't drink much wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritaserum Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'm LDS. I wouldn't be offended and I eat what was offered. My parents probably wouldn't eat it if they knew and would be offended if told after the fact. My house growing up was on the no caffeine side of the controversy. :tongue_smilie: Dh's dad cooks with wine on occasion. So, different LDS folks have different feelings about it. :) I would prefer coffee-free dessert, though. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelissaMinNC Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I've heard that "Cooking wine" is crap and you're better off just using regular wine. I can get small (1-2 glass) bottles in my grocery store, so that's what I buy when I need just a little. If you're in Utah, the package store (is that what they're called? the liquor store. they were "package stores" in NY) might sell something similar if you'd like to cook with wine once and see how it goes. White wine is lovely in chicken piccata :) I'm not LDS, i just don't drink much wine. Wow, really? I grew up in NY and this is the first time I've ever heard the phrase "package store." They were all liquor stores where I lived. :tongue_smilie: Sorry for the hijack, Parrothead - and glad to see you got it figured out! :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DianeW88 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I wouldn't be upset. I would prefer otherwise, but if it happened, it happened. No harm done. Although, just so you know, all the alcohol almost never cooks out. There's usually some left. Link ETA: I'm assuming it was an accident (host didn't know I don't drink). If it was on purpose I might be a little upset that I wasn't informed so I could make the decision whether or not to eat the item. :iagree:It doesn't all cook out, so I would be consuming alcohol, but if I did it unknowingly....no harm. Intention on my part is required for it to be "bad". :D A host who was not aware of my religious beliefs is hardly culpable. Even if she was (and was just secretly trying to get me smashed :lol:), it's still not a biggie if I'm unaware of the alcohol content of the dish. Now, if it reeks of whiskey and I ask if the dish was prepared with alcohol, and it was....I wouldn't eat it. Hopefully that wouldn't offend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I wouldn't, but I think my dh would be. I use real vanilla and I take cough syrup. :) Now, if my sister was trying to pour rum over cake as a way to "get" me, that'd be a different story. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIzumi Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Now, if it reeks of whiskey and I ask if the dish was prepared with alcohol, and it was....I wouldn't eat it. Hopefully that wouldn't offend. Good point. If I can smell it, it's still there waaaay too much. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHASRADA Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I'm glad your guests were gracious about it. I probably would be too, since it was likely done out of ignorance. I would remind the hostess to please refrain from using alcohol next time, or at least to warn us when it is served. At any future meals at her home, I would ask about alcohol in the food before eating, just to be sure. It is important to show gratitude for the hospitality and not hurt her feelings, but I would pay extra care in the future. No, I do not use vanilla extract with alcohol (sometimes you can find non-alcoholic extract at the healthfood store), or cough syrup, or mouthwash with alcohol. A religious injunction is just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmosis Mom Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Upset and furious. Because I always mention our food requirements and would presume she had done it on purpose after being informed (since she invited us over). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmoe Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I would be upset because most likely if I'm eating at someone's home they are aware of my beliefs. I don't use vanilla extract. I do use good quality vanilla sugar which I make with vanilla beans. There is also vanilla powder available that doesn't have alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negin Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 We're Baha'is and don't drink for religious reasons. No, wouldn't be upset. It's an honest mistake. :) It's happened before and it's no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negin Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 In the end, isn't it a heart issue? You weren't truly 'drinking' and you're heart was definitely not in disobedience mode. I'm thinking God doesn't count it as sin towards you. mho This. :) I always believe that the spirit and heart is what matters. Not merely the law. God is the All-Forgiving, the All-Merciful. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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