pqr Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Interesting stats http://graphicsweb.wsj.com/documents/NILF1111/#term= Clinical psychology 19.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Interesting stats http://graphicsweb.wsj.com/documents/NILF1111/#term= Clinical psychology 19.5% And how does that make you feel? :tongue_smilie: :auto: eta, I think I want to be an actuary when I grow up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 That was interesting. Dh's major was one of the few with 0%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicAnn Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 You have to figure that there are some people who majored in history, but then got a law degree. Or the art major, who then got a MBA. Or double majored. Since the average unemployment is around 9% or a little higher? So many of these numbers were below 9%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCyndiGirl Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 And how does that make you feel? :tongue_smilie: :lol: I wonder why Clinical Psychology was noted in the OP? :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS Mom in NC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks for posting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth in WA Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I wonder why Clinical Psychology was noted in the OP? :confused: According to the graphic, it is the major with the highest unemployment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakblossoms Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Dude I am going for pharmacology:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyofsixreboot Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Well, better than I thought for my elementary Ed major. The actuary and nurse will be fine. What is with military science at 10%? I thought future soldier boy would have the best employment future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSNative Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 And how does that make you feel? :tongue_smilie: :auto: eta, I think I want to be an actuary when I grow up! :lol: I admit, I was a little annoyed when I saw 0% unemployment for ed. admin. majors while all the other teaching majors had some percentage of unemployment. Does anyone know the difference between the education admin. major and the other education majors? Is it more rigorous? Do ed. admin majors teach at all or go straight to administration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee in NC Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 It says Accounting is at 5.4%, but that isn't a clear number unless you know how many are CPAs....at least that is what I am hanging on to!:tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 well, I was coming in to post something similar. Statistics are just numbers and don't amount to a whole hill of beans without specifics (do you like my puns there? :D) Dh is an accountant, but he wasn't an accounting major in undergrad. There are so many kinds of accountants and so many difference education levels that you really can't make a general statistic like that. It is the same for education. A high school History teacher may have a higher unemployment rate overall than a Special Education teacher or Math teacher. Too many variables. Dawn It says Accounting is at 5.4%, but that isn't a clear number unless you know how many are CPAs....at least that is what I am hanging on to!:tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennynd Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yeah that's why I opted not to pursue a PsyD. I was very interested in doing so, but the job prospects were awful (not to mention one has a better chance of being struck by lightening than being accepted into a program). I kinda surprise about the rate for Psy.. there are so many nuts around.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Numbers in this table come from the census. Did anyone notice the 15% plus unemployment rate for US History majors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 They're more highly connected to their unions, etc. and more highly paid, in general.... I, also, was irked by that, although I already knew it to be the case.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I guess the high rate for architecture shouldn't surprise me, either, with the building bust that's going on in most areas.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-rap Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 No wonder I am homeschooling instead of working full-time! I majored in clinical psychology! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Since the average unemployment is around 9% or a little higher? So many of these numbers were below 9%. But the average unemployment for college graduates is lower than the national average - the recession hits hardest on manufacturing and jobs without a college degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing lioness Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 This is for undergrad degrees, right? Cause Ph.d.'s havea bout a 3% unemployment rate. Not surprising about the Clinical Psych degree at the undergrad - it's not a terminal degree and you can't get licensed (collect insurance) w/o grad degree and a license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFourSons Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 :lol: I admit, I was a little annoyed when I saw 0% unemployment for ed. admin. majors while all the other teaching majors had some percentage of unemployment. Does anyone know the difference between the education admin. major and the other education majors? Is it more rigorous? Do ed. admin majors teach at all or go straight to administration? Every school principal I ever worked with or knew personally was a former teacher. A few of them were promoted to an administration position under the condition that they recieve their administration degree within a certain period of time. Most administrative positions require at least a Masters degree. I had classmates in college in my graduate level special ed courses who were educational administration grad students, and they were all former teachers who had an administrative position waiting for them back in their hometowns. But, I've lived near some of the most rural areas in the country, where teaching positions can be very hard to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMom2One Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Remember, too, that these statistics aren't absolutely conclusive due to those that have used up their unemployment benefits and are still out of work. Once that happens, a person is no longer calculated into the unemployment percentages. Even so, I appreciate the graphic and find it to be quite interesting. Blessings, Lucinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie4b Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 :lurk5: According to the graphic, it is the major with the highest unemployment. And you can do almost nothing in your field with an undergraduate major in clinical psych. The next step is grad school of some type. After that, I would suspect that the unemployment rate changes quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoforjoy Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Remember, too, that these statistics aren't absolutely conclusive due to those that have used up their unemployment benefits and are still out of work. Once that happens, a person is no longer calculated into the unemployment percentages. It also doesn't count the underemployed, or people who currently have part-time work but want full-time work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 :lol: I admit, I was a little annoyed when I saw 0% unemployment for ed. admin. majors while all the other teaching majors had some percentage of unemployment. Does anyone know the difference between the education admin. major and the other education majors? Is it more rigorous? Do ed. admin majors teach at all or go straight to administration? Usually educational admin. is studied by someone who is already a teacher (or principal) and hoping to be promoted to principal or district office. So, most people majoring in that already HAD a job before taking the course. Since most of them also already had tenure, they are highly unlikely to lose their job, and thus unlikely to be unemployed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Elf Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Clinical psychology 19.5% This is bad. I looked at the list and all of the majors with psychology were at least 10%, with clinical psychology being the highest. My dd13's main motivation to get through high school is to get to college and study psychology. Her plan is to graduate high school at 17. She's even taking a psychology class as an elective and getting more interested. Hopefully things won't be so bad by the time she graduates with at least a Masters degree. That could be 2021 or 2022 probably. Edited November 10, 2011 by Night Elf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz CA Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yes, this makes sense now! A bachelors in clinical psych is nothing really other than a path to the masters and PhD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeslieAnneLevine Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I kinda surprise about the rate for Psy.. there are so many nuts around.. LOL, no kidding!! Maybe better insurance coverage for mental health would make a difference. Many insurance plans really skimp on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapiti Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I don't find the data particularly useful. Lately, I've been thinking of college as the new high school unfortunately, and grad school as the new college. I will recommend to all my kids that they eventually attend grad school of one sort or another (for something useful, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSNative Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Usually educational admin. is studied by someone who is already a teacher (or principal) and hoping to be promoted to principal or district office. So, most people majoring in that already HAD a job before taking the course. Since most of them also already had tenure, they are highly unlikely to lose their job, and thus unlikely to be unemployed. I thought that at first, too, but this is a BA. The teachers I know who wanted to go that route already had their BAs and got their masters in ed. admin. Honestly, I didn't even realize you could get a BA in ed. admin. Seems rather like putting the cart before the horse. But I know very little about this, so there you go. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Art history at 3.2% . . .I would not have guessed that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnaM Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 My DH doesnt have a degree at all and makes what the same average as those with one in his field. I am glad we didnt bother with student loans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanne Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 This is for undergrad degrees, right? Cause Ph.d.'s havea bout a 3% unemployment rate. Not surprising about the Clinical Psych degree at the undergrad - it's not a terminal degree and you can't get licensed (collect insurance) w/o grad degree and a license. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 My DH doesnt have a degree at all and makes what the same average as those with one in his field. I am glad we didnt bother with student loans! What field? Inquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosaicmind Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 This is misleading because most in the psych field know that to get anykind of job you will need a master's degree, a bachelor's will do you no good at all. I am getting my master's in professional counseling and I know that I will have no problem finding and attaining a job once I am done. There are tons of places looking for people with a master's degree in professional counseling, social work, marriage and family counseling, ect..... This is a field that will always be growing because unfortunately people are always going to have problems dealing with life, addiction and mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerMom Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 My DH doesnt have a degree at all and makes what the same average as those with one in his field. I am glad we didnt bother with student loans! How long has he been working in the field? When the job market was tight some years back, you could get hired without a degree and be fine. But right now most companies have plenty of folks applying with college degrees, even graduate ones, so if you don't already have experience it's unlikely you'd get hired. I have friends who were hired in like that and now feel the squeeze. One worked for 15 years, was laid off, and now can't get an interview competing against folks with degrees. It's brutal. So, I'm glad it worked out for your dh, but few folks are so lucky these days if the field normally requires a degree (and most that pay over $50K do, unless it is a skilled trade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Well, better than I thought for my elementary Ed major. The actuary and nurse will be fine. What is with military science at 10%? I thought future soldier boy would have the best employment future. Well, a military career can only last so long. And about the time that someone is ready to retire, they need to feed teenagers or put kids through college. Also, I can't say that I can think of any officers among my acquaintance who have a military science degree. Maybe some of the older academy grads from before there were majors? But most of my friends have degrees in engineering, science, math, econ, history, etc. The closest to military science I can think of is a history degree that specialized in military history. And those are few and far between. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say (based on at least two minutes of googling) that military science DEGREES seem to be mostly something completed at a for profit college. There may be a military science department at a civilian school, but they seem to exist to run courses for ROTC programs and not to confer degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyD Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Numbers in this table come from the census. Did anyone notice the 15% plus unemployment rate for US History majors? Do a lot of institutions offer majors in "U.S. History?" I've never heard of that before -- everywhere I've attended or taught at has only offered degrees in plain old history, even at the doctoral level. And I see that this chart lists "history" separately (the rate is rather lower; I wonder if this has to do with the institutions?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnaM Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 How long has he been working in the field? When the job market was tight some years back, you could get hired without a degree and be fine. But right now most companies have plenty of folks applying with college degrees, even graduate ones, so if you don't already have experience it's unlikely you'd get hired. I have friends who were hired in like that and now feel the squeeze. One worked for 15 years, was laid off, and now can't get an interview competing against folks with degrees. It's brutal. So, I'm glad it worked out for your dh, but few folks are so lucky these days if the field normally requires a degree (and most that pay over $50K do, unless it is a skilled trade). He has worked in Computer Science off and on since he finished school in England. I will say that while he doesnt have a degree he does stay up to date on certifications. He did get out of the field for a while, because when we met and got married we had to go through the immigration process and my dad gave him a construction job. He decided about 5 years ago to get back into computers. He put in some applications and got hired fairly quickly. He recently (about 4 months ago) decided to change jobs for a better chance at advancement. He had no problem getting several interviews and was hired by one of the companies. I don't know if we were just extremely blessed, if the area we live in makes the difference, if his certs and recommendations made the difference, his sexy British accent or what. Probably a combination of all of them, but the fact that he doesn't have a degree has not been a factor at all. He has also been able to negotiate his pay with success. I realize it might not be that easy for everyone, but it is possible to do well without a degree :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Is possible for some, yes. The rest of us need the paper to prove we are worthy! :D Bill Gates didn't finish college. Most actors didn't finish college. The ones who do exceptionally well are few and far between. The ones who do well have a particular skill set that is needed and marketable. I would never use the above examples to say someone doesn't need to finish college though. The other 95% of those who didn't finish and aren't doing well speak for the masses. I am very happy your DH is doing well. That speaks highly of him and his abilities. Dawn He has worked in Computer Science off and on since he finished school in England. I will say that while he doesnt have a degree he does stay up to date on certifications. He did get out of the field for a while, because when we met and got married we had to go through the immigration process and my dad gave him a construction job. He decided about 5 years ago to get back into computers. He put in some applications and got hired fairly quickly. He recently (about 4 months ago) decided to change jobs for a better chance at advancement. He had no problem getting several interviews and was hired by one of the companies. I don't know if we were just extremely blessed, if the area we live in makes the difference, if his certs and recommendations made the difference, his sexy British accent or what. Probably a combination of all of them, but the fact that he doesn't have a degree has not been a factor at all. He has also been able to negotiate his pay with success. I realize it might not be that easy for everyone, but it is possible to do well without a degree :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I did apply and was accepted to a PhD program but it was in Education. I was 29 and childless at the time and thought, "What the heck. I need another goal!" :lol: Then I sat down with some professors to fully lay out the plan and I realized that I would finish at 35 or so and have no time to start a family before I finished without a major hit to my ability to finish, etc....and I decided to have kids instead. I also realized that my salary would go DOWN if I were to go into College Academia, although my kids could have gone to college for free. Dawn Yeah that's why I opted not to pursue a PsyD. I was very interested in doing so, but the job prospects were awful (not to mention one has a better chance of being struck by lightening than being accepted into a program). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Martin Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I've wondered what I'll do in my next chapter of life when the kids are grown and gone. Petroleum engineering, here I come. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Elf Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Do a lot of institutions offer majors in "U.S. History?" I've never heard of that before -- everywhere I've attended or taught at has only offered degrees in plain old history, even at the doctoral level. And I see that this chart lists "history" separately (the rate is rather lower; I wonder if this has to do with the institutions?) My school offers 3 concentrations for a BA in History: American History and Culture, History of Ideas, and World History and Cultures. I can point you to the link if you're interested in what the programs look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing lioness Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 This is misleading because most in the psych field know that to get anykind of job you will need a master's degree, a bachelor's will do you no good at all. I am getting my master's in professional counseling and I know that I will have no problem finding and attaining a job once I am done. There are tons of places looking for people with a master's degree in professional counseling, social work, marriage and family counseling, ect..... This is a field that will always be growing because unfortunately people are always going to have problems dealing with life, addiction and mental illness. You'll have to get licensed first and it really depends on where you live as to how "easy" that will be. In our area, the master's level field is saturated (2 state school and a couple private churning out Master's level grads within 2 hours of each other in a place with small population). Finding a place to get post grad/pre-license hours is challenging and without the post-grad hours you can't get licensed. You can work for free for the post-grad hours but here we have to get 2000 hours within 2 years. There is a time crunch to consider. As the filed grows, the pay per hour will go down. An master's level licensed therapist is making between $15 -$35 /hour here. And, depending on your fee split with your agency that doesn't ensure that's what you'll be making. And, many of thoseare self employed so not drawing benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeBeaks Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Interesting. My major is less than 5%, not that I'm in the workforce right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah C. Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 It's a good thing that my major is history (6.5%) instead of United States history (15.1%). ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Remember, too, that these statistics aren't absolutely conclusive due to those that have used up their unemployment benefits and are still out of work. Once that happens, a person is no longer calculated into the unemployment percentages. This is calculated based on the U.S. Census, not on unemployment benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosaicmind Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 You'll have to get licensed first and it really depends on where you live as to how "easy" that will be. In our area, the master's level field is saturated (2 state school and a couple private churning out Master's level grads within 2 hours of each other in a place with small population). Finding a place to get post grad/pre-license hours is challenging and without the post-grad hours you can't get licensed. You can work for free for the post-grad hours but here we have to get 2000 hours within 2 years. There is a time crunch to consider. As the filed grows, the pay per hour will go down. An master's level licensed therapist is making between $15 -$35 /hour here. And, depending on your fee split with your agency that doesn't ensure that's what you'll be making. And, many of thoseare self employed so not drawing benefits. Thanks for your input. I do know about getting a license, although the few places here in the town I live in don't require it and only require the master's degree. The one job I am interested in starts at $56k per year, I think that's good and they promise you that they will give you the hours to get your license while you work for them. I already have 2 places that have told me to come work for them while putting in the hours, so right now I am just waiting to finish my degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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