Create Your Ritual Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) We have been discussing the main difference between WWS, CC and CW over at the Logic Stage Board and mentioned that I had not seen upper levels of CC or CW writing. I forgot to mention in the title LToW as well. Would anyone be willing to share a few samples? We are currently working through CC Fable and enjoying it, but I would love be able to see where upper levels will lead. Edited October 5, 2011 by SaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourOaks Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'd be willing to post, but we're not in the upper levels yet. That being said, I would also like to see some of the upper level writing samples if anyone has any. I may just sent a note off to Mr. Selby (very nice man) and see if he would be willing to send me a few copies of some of the upper level writing lessons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Thanks.. let me know if he sends you any please. I would love to see them as well. Hopefully someone has a few samples to post here. A previous thread over at Logic Stage had mentioned the style and language being somewhat of an issue in the higher levels, and I just wondered how the progymn. exercises translated as you move through them. How does it 'sound', what is the organization and style like, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourOaks Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Sent off an email to Mr. Selby earlier today so I'll let you know if I hear anything back from him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in VA Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I can pull some samples of my daughter's work with Herodotus but they are on another computer so I'll have to do that tomorrow. Meanwhile here is a sample of a poem she wrote for CW Advanced poetry. I liked it. Oh little town of Gettysburg Above you death awaits. A thousand men in uniform Today will meet their fate. The battle has been raging now For nearly four full days. You have to ask when will it end This horrible deadly haze. The number of the casualties Is higher than ever before. The cost of liberty is high But you are grateful evermore. For years to come this darkened hour Will be your glory and fame. On account of men who died these days The world will know your name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mama25angels Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Heather, I like that poem too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 I like it too. Thank you for posting that! I would love to see more if you have it, and am certainly not looking to critique things or anything like that. I can understand if people don't want to poste for that reason, but I am just curious about the writing style and how things are put together within an essay, etc. I just can't find that anywhere. ;-) Maybe Jim Selby will come through as well with samples. That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourOaks Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Well Mr. Selby sent me a short email back and said that there are written samples within the upper level books. So, nothing that we can apparently see prior to buying the books (other than looking through them at convention). Sorry. I will be purchasing the Refutation/Confirmation and the Common Topics books in the next couple of months, so I can share from those then if you are still interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 That would be great. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Togo Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Four Oaks, Have you worked through Chreia/Maxim yet? If so, can you pm me? 1togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 Yes, Chreia/Maxim would be great things to have samples of, considering I am still in Fable/Narrative stage. But at this point I would love to see anything. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourOaks Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 1togo -- We haven't done Cheria/Maxim as yet. Should be starting that by January though. I am planning to seat and read through it all again very soon. Go ahead and pm me if you have some specific questions and I'll see if I can answer them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabel Lee Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I've nothing of real use to add here, but Heather in VA, tell your dd that her poem can be sung to the tune of "O Little Town of Bethlehem". Makes for a haunting rendition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 SaDonna, We are only in Homer B, but would it help if I posted one of my dd's writing projects. At this point, she is learning the skill, In Media Res, meaning that she is learning to start a story in the middle, flashback, then pick up where she left off. It has been a wonderful exercise for focusing on story content (if you start in the middle, there often is extra information you need to include to have it begin smoothly and so the reader can follow, you need to link up characters and ideas in a different manner, etc.) Let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 That would be fantastic. I wasn't sure how Homer was laid out and may move over to it after CC Fable/Narrative. I would love to see a sample... even a sample week of how it is laid out and what you did, etc. Paige of Elemental Science posted a Week of CW Aesop which I found most helpful in distinguishing how it flowed. Aside from that, it would be great to have examples of the style of writing one can expect to do. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Okay, but it may take a little time as I'll have to post the original as well as my dd's re-write, so you can see the difference. I have some spreadsheets from other WTMers regarding Homer which you may find helpful too. If you like, I can try to dig them up. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Thanks Cleopatra. I know how much time we all invest in teaching our children, so please don't go to much trouble with all of my requests as it can be exhausting. ;-) If all you have time for is a rewrite in Media Res I am thrilled to see even that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauracolumbus Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I'm interested in this as well. Thanks for sharing. Heather, your dd's poem is beautiful. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Alright, here goes! :001_smile: I'm going to first write the original model and then I'll write my dd's retelling. The numbers you see are where my dd marked the "scenes" of the story for her outline. The Trial of the Bow by Alfred J. Church [1] And now the Suitors came and sat down, as they were wont, to their morning meal, and the servants took to Ulysses a full share of meat and drink, for this was what Telemachus had bidden them do. [2] When Ctesippus saw this ---- he was one who cared neither for gods nor men ---- he said: "Is this fellow to fare as well as we fare? See now what gift I will give him!" And he took the foot of a bullock out of a basket, and threw it at Ulysses. But he moved his head to the left, and the foot flew by, and made a mark on the wall. [3] When Telemachus saw this, he cried: " 'Tis well for you, Ctesippus, that you did not hit the stranger. Truly, if you had hit him, I had pierced you through with my spear, and your father would have had to make ready your burying, not your wedding." "That is well said," cried another of the Suitors; " 'tis a shame to do wrong either to Telemachus, or to his guest. Nevertheless, he must bid his mother choose out from among us the man whom she will marry, so that we may not waste our time any more." Telemachus answered: "My mother may marry whom she will; but never will I force her to leave this house." [4] When he said this the Suitors laughed, but their laughter was not as of men that were glad. And there came a darkness over the place, so that one of the men cried: "It is this stranger that brings bad luck with him. Let us send him away, for the hall seem to grow dark while he is here." [5] By this time Penelope had taken down the great bow of Ulysses from the peg on which it hung, and she drew it out of the case in which it was kept, and laid it across her knees and wept over it. Then, after a while she rose, and carried it to the hall, where the Suitors sat feasting. With the bow she brought also the quiver full of arrows, and, standing by the pillar that stood under the dome, she said: --- "You, who come here day after day, and devour my substance, pretending that you wish to marry me, see here; look at this bow and these arrows; they belong to the great Ulysses, and with these I will try you. Whoso among you that shall most easily bend this bow with his hands, and shall shoot best at the mark which my son shall set up, him will I take for my husband; him will I follow, leaving this house, which I shall never see again except in my dreams." [6] Then Telemachus set the mark. And when he had set it, he made as if he would have drawn the bow himself; and this he would have done, for he was strong and worthy of his father; but Ulysses signed to him that he should not do it. So he said: "I am too young, and have not grown to my full strength; you that are older than I should try first." [7] Then a certain priest who was among the Suitors, Leoides by name, made trial of the bow. He was the best among them, and did not like their ways; but for all that he stayed with them. He took the bow, and tried to bend it, wearying himself with it, making his hands sore, for they were sofft and not used to work. At last he said: "I cannot bend the bow; and I fear that it will bring grief and pain to many this day." [8] But Antinoüs cried: "Why do you say such words?" And he bade the goatheard fetch a roll of fat from the kitchen, that they might make the string soft with it. And the Suitors rubbed the fat upon it, trying to soften it. But they could not bend it; they tried all of them, but it was in vain, till only two were left, Antinoüs and Eurymachus, who were indeed the strongest of them all. [9] Eurymachus had the bow in his hand, and was warming it at the fire. Then he tried to draw it, but could not. And he groaned aloud, saying: "Woe is me! I am grieved not for the loss of this marriage, for there are other women in Greece who may be wooed, but because we are all weaker than the great Ulysses. This is, indeed, a shameful thing." But Antinoüs said: "Do not lose heart. This day is holy to the god of Archers, and it does not please him that we are about this business. We will try again tomorrow, and first we will sacrifice to the god." [10] They were all pleased to hear these words, hoping that they might yet be able to draw the bow. But Ulysses said: "Let me try it; I should like to know whether I have still the strength which I had when I was young." [11] The Suitors were very angry that the stranger should dare to think of such a thing; but Penelope said that the man should try the bow, and that she would give him great gifts if he could bend it. Then said Telemachus: "Mother, this bow is mine, and I will give it or refuse it, as I shall see fit. And if it pleases me that this stranger shall try it, then it shall be so, and no man shall say nay. But now do you and your maids go to your rooms; these things are for men to settle." This he said because he knew what would soon happen in the hall, and he would not have here there. She wondered to hear him speak with such authority, but she made no answer to him, and she went out of the hall, taking her maids with her. [12] Then Telemachus gave the bow to the swineherd, and bade him take it to Ulysses. The Suitors were angry, and would have stopped him, but Telemachus said: "Take it; it is mine to give or to refuse," and the swineherd took it to Ulysses. And when he had done this, he went to the nurse, and bade her keep the women within doors whatever they might hear. [13] Then Ulysses took the bow in his hand, and felt it to see whether it had suffered any hurt; and the suitors laughed to see him do it. And when he found that it was without a flaw, then he bent it, and strung it, and he twanged the string, and the tone of it was shrill and sweet as the cry of a swallow. After this he took an arrow from the quiver, and laid the notch upon the string, and drew the bow to the full, still sitting in his place. And the arrow went straight to the mark. Then he said to Telemachus: "Come, stand by me; there is yet another feast to be kept before the sun goes down." And the young man stood by his side, armed with a spear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 My dd decided to start with scene 5. Basically she would start with scene 5, then go to scenes 1-4 and then 6-13. The Trial of the Bow by my dd in media res With tear-berimmed eyes, Penelope proudly carried the longbow of her husband into the midst of the room where the Suitors sat eating and drinking for all their worth. She gently laid the bow and arrows on a stool beneath two pillars, and declared, "Those of you who have haunted me with your sweetened words, listen to me now. This bow and arrow were the possessions of my late husband, Ulysses and, as he has not returned home, I have taken it into consideration and I lay before you a challenge. Whoever can draw the string and shoot the arrow neatly into the target, I will marry. This house I will leave, and in my sleep I will dream of it and of the happy days which I spent in it." Many hours earlier, the admirers had devoured their meal with fervour, while the stewards passed an unkempt stranger his victuals, in response to the instructions of Telemachus. Everyone was unaware of his identity except his son Telemachus, and Ulysses was yet disinclined to reveal himself. Ctesippus, who was infuriated to see this foreigner being treated like a man of wealth, waited until he was engrossed in his meal, then launched the hoof of a bullock with all his strength at the matted head, and he would have hit his mark, had not the man deftly ducked. The inhospitality of Ctesippus was witnessed by Telemachus who threatened him by sputtering, "Ctesippus, you were lucky that you missed your mark or your father would be singing a dirge for his unfortunate son instead of hosting a merry wedding!" The Suitors laughed scornfully at the little speech of Telemachus, but on remembering their purpose, they grew solemn. In the late afternoon, the suitors languidly lay in the sun and walked aimlesly around the grounds until Antoniüs felt that Penelope was wasting precious time and slyly suggested to Telemachus to encourage his mother to hurry up and wed one of the suitors. "She will marry the man who pleases her the most, Antoniüs, but this house is hers and I will never send her away from it for all the gold your father can offer," he replied coldly. The suitors howled with mirth, but their laughter was not carefree and a great blanket of darkness settled around the abode. Thus, Telemachus now positioned the mark for the trial of the bow. He began to draw the bow, but Ulysses gestured him to leave off. Heeding his elder's advice, Telemachus sighed, "I am too young, and you that are of greater limb and are wiser shall be first." The first contestant was a priest by the name of Leoides, who was in truth the kindest of all the suitors and disagreed with their ways, but for all his morals, he remained with them. He endeavoured to bend the bow, but failing to do so, he cried in bitter remorse, "I see now that whoever makes trial of the bow, it will bring great pains!" "What negative feeling thou hast, Leoides, yet do not despair," mocked Antinoüs, and taking a pat of butter off a tray, he attempted to soften the string, but in vain. All the suitors tried their hand at the bow, until only the strongest man, Eurymachus, was left. He, thinking he was smarter than them all, swore to himself that he would succeed and win the hand of the fair Penelope. Catching sight of the flickering fire, he strove to warm the strings of the bow. Once again, he tried to draw it, but on finding that he could not, he lamented bitterly, "I do not grieve for the loss of Penelope, but for the fact that we are all weaker than Ulysses." "Take heart, old Eurymachus. The day is holy to the god of Archers; let us make an offering to him, and hope that the next morn will bring more promising results," comforted Antinoüs. The men were uplifted by these sensible words, until the stranger pleaded for a trial of the bow. The admirers were infuriated and fervently argued that a man of no degree should not be permitted to join in on the competition. Ignoring the jeers and shouts of the crowd, Penelope stately informed the stranger that if he could draw the bow and strike the target, she would reward him with many gifts. Telemachus, upon noticing his father's hand indications, instructed his mother and her maids to remain behind their doors no matter what their ears might perceive. Before drawing the bow, Ulysses carefully examined it to discover any flaws, while the suitors derided him for being so cautious. He twanged the string, and the sound was like the song of a dove. With one graceful motion, he bent the bow back as far as he could, and let the arrow fly through the air. It struck the mark right in the centre. The suitors' mouths were agape with wonder and indignation while Ulysses bade his son to stand by him with a lance, as they prepared to end the night with a more satisfying banquet. Wow! By typing this out I see even more areas I'd like to work on with my dd. I'm not completely happy with the transitions but it's only her third writing project focusing on this skill and it is not an easy skill to learn! I have to reign myself in and focus on a few items to work on so I don't overwhelm her. Overall I'm happy with the result and at this point I'm not going to have her edit it again. I will let it sit awhile and then have her pull it out at a later date and see what she thinks of it with a little more practice and experience under her belt. I hope this was helpful (and not too long a read). :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kfamily Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Just wanted to add that there are a few writing samples at the CW site on their forums under shared writing projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Just wanted to add that there are a few writing samples at the CW site on their forums under shared writing projects. Thanks for this recommendation, Kfamily! I've been on there before but didn't see it. It does have one sample writing from Diogenes, which was interesting to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Create Your Ritual Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) Thank you Dyan (Cleopatra) so much for taking the time to share that. Your fingers have to be tired from all that typing though... so I am feeling a tad guilty for asking that of you!! I thoroughly enjoyed her version of the story and it gave me a definite idea of the length of the writing in Homer as well as the depth of the material you are working with. By comparison my dd10 is working in CC Fable (the first progym. level of classical composition) and the stories are much shorter although I expect them to get quite a bit longer in the next few years. Here are dd10s and ds8s last few lessons - ** This was our first foray into media res style writing** Original Fable - A fisherman skilled in music took his flute and his nets to the seashore. Standing on a projecting rock, he played several tunes in the hope that the fish, attracted by his melody, would of their own accord dance into his net, which he had placed below. At last, having long waited in vain, he laid aside his flute, and casting his net into the sea, made an excellent haul of fish. When he saw them leaping about in the net upon the rock he said, "O you most perverse creatures, when I piped you would not dance, but now that I have ceased you do so merrily" dd10s paraphrase incorporating Topographia, Mimisis and Hydrographia One day a merry fisherman came along to the sea, which had green foamy water laden with fish. The fisherman played tunes while standing on a rocky ledge, barnacle encrusted with age. He was hoping that the fish would dance into the net. Finally when he had caught nothing he put away his flute in disgust and cast his net out farther. He waited, and a couple of minutes later he made a huge haul of fish. He said, "I could hear you down there saying, 'The fisherman is too lazy to come and get us! He thinks we are just dumb fish!' " The fisherman added, "O you most perverse creatures, when I played you would not dance, but now you do so merrily." dd10s retelling from the middle of the story - The fisherman indignantly put away his flute in disgust and cast his net. A couple of minutes later he made a huge haul of fish. He said, "I could hear you down there saying, 'The fisherman is too lazy to come get us. He thinks we are just dumb fish!' " The fisherman remembered when he had started playing the flute to the fish in hopes that they would jump into his net. The water had been a sparkling green foamy color, but was now a mocking gray, as if it was laughing at him. He said to the fish, "O you most perverse creatures, when I played you would not dance, but now that I have ceased you do so merrily." ds8s paraphrase incorporating the above fig. of description - One day some fish spotted a fisherman walking up to the sea where they were. He had a flute in one hand and a net in the other. He cast his net into the sea, which was dark and gloomy. Then he played a tune, hoping that some fish would dance into his net. The fish heard the music and giggled for they would not dance into the net. Finally the fisherman cast his net into the sea and brought up a haul of fish. He said to them, "Oh you most perverse creatures, I could hear you saying, 'That fisherman is so stubborn that he is going mad,' and when I played you did not dance, but now that I have ceased you do so merrily." ds8s retelling from the middle of the story - A fisherman was playing a flute on the seashore. He was hoping that his music would make some fish dance into his net, which he had put below. He remembered how he had brought his net and flute, thinking that he would catch fish. It had been quiet when he entered the beach, and he was cheerful at the time. Now he was no longer happy, but was angry instead. Finally he gave up playing. He cast his net into the sea and brought up a haul of fish. He said to them, 'Oh you most perverse creatures, for when I piped you would not dance, but now that I have ceased you do so merrily." I am pleased with their progress and they are enjoying the 18 figures of description that CC Fable teaches. We have many years ahead of us using the progym. exercises though! I did want to ask you if you are also using the Harvey's Grammar and the Student Workbooks with your dd? I am trying to figure out a grammar program I would like to use. We have used The Sentence Family, MCT Island, R&S 4, and MCT Town. I will continue with MCT, but felt we needed something a bit more structured as well ... well, I say that and I would rather we DIDN'T need to do MORE grammar, but I have a feeling we need to keep plugging away at it. ;-) Thanks again for sharing everything, I would love to see more when your fingers recover in a month or two. ;-) Edited October 30, 2011 by SaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noashmam Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 My dd decided to start with scene 5. Basically she would start with scene 5, then go to scenes 1-4 and then 6-13. The Trial of the Bow by my dd in media res With tear-berimmed eyes, Penelope proudly carried the longbow of her husband into the midst of the room where the Suitors sat eating and drinking for all their worth. She gently laid the bow and arrows on a stool beneath two pillars, and declared, "Those of you who have haunted me with your sweetened words, listen to me now. This bow and arrow were the possessions of my late husband, Ulysses and, as he has not returned home, I have taken it into consideration and I lay before you a challenge. Whoever can draw the string and shoot the arrow neatly into the target, I will marry. This house I will leave, and in my sleep I will dream of it and of the happy days which I spent in it." Many hours earlier, the admirers had devoured their meal with fervour, while the stewards passed an unkempt stranger his victuals, in response to the instructions of Telemachus. Everyone was unaware of his identity except his son Telemachus, and Ulysses was yet disinclined to reveal himself. Ctesippus, who was infuriated to see this foreigner being treated like a man of wealth, waited until he was engrossed in his meal, then launched the hoof of a bullock with all his strength at the matted head, and he would have hit his mark, had not the man deftly ducked. The inhospitality of Ctesippus was witnessed by Telemachus who threatened him by sputtering, "Ctesippus, you were lucky that you missed your mark or your father would be singing a dirge for his unfortunate son instead of hosting a merry wedding!" The Suitors laughed scornfully at the little speech of Telemachus, but on remembering their purpose, they grew solemn. In the late afternoon, the suitors languidly lay in the sun and walked aimlesly around the grounds until Antoniüs felt that Penelope was wasting precious time and slyly suggested to Telemachus to encourage his mother to hurry up and wed one of the suitors. "She will marry the man who pleases her the most, Antoniüs, but this house is hers and I will never send her away from it for all the gold your father can offer," he replied coldly. The suitors howled with mirth, but their laughter was not carefree and a great blanket of darkness settled around the abode. Thus, Telemachus now positioned the mark for the trial of the bow. He began to draw the bow, but Ulysses gestured him to leave off. Heeding his elder's advice, Telemachus sighed, "I am too young, and you that are of greater limb and are wiser shall be first." The first contestant was a priest by the name of Leoides, who was in truth the kindest of all the suitors and disagreed with their ways, but for all his morals, he remained with them. He endeavoured to bend the bow, but failing to do so, he cried in bitter remorse, "I see now that whoever makes trial of the bow, it will bring great pains!" "What negative feeling thou hast, Leoides, yet do not despair," mocked Antinoüs, and taking a pat of butter off a tray, he attempted to soften the string, but in vain. All the suitors tried their hand at the bow, until only the strongest man, Eurymachus, was left. He, thinking he was smarter than them all, swore to himself that he would succeed and win the hand of the fair Penelope. Catching sight of the flickering fire, he strove to warm the strings of the bow. Once again, he tried to draw it, but on finding that he could not, he lamented bitterly, "I do not grieve for the loss of Penelope, but for the fact that we are all weaker than Ulysses." "Take heart, old Eurymachus. The day is holy to the god of Archers; let us make an offering to him, and hope that the next morn will bring more promising results," comforted Antinoüs. The men were uplifted by these sensible words, until the stranger pleaded for a trial of the bow. The admirers were infuriated and fervently argued that a man of no degree should not be permitted to join in on the competition. Ignoring the jeers and shouts of the crowd, Penelope stately informed the stranger that if he could draw the bow and strike the target, she would reward him with many gifts. Telemachus, upon noticing his father's hand indications, instructed his mother and her maids to remain behind their doors no matter what their ears might perceive. Before drawing the bow, Ulysses carefully examined it to discover any flaws, while the suitors derided him for being so cautious. He twanged the string, and the sound was like the song of a dove. With one graceful motion, he bent the bow back as far as he could, and let the arrow fly through the air. It struck the mark right in the centre. The suitors' mouths were agape with wonder and indignation while Ulysses bade his son to stand by him with a lance, as they prepared to end the night with a more satisfying banquet. Wow! By typing this out I see even more areas I'd like to work on with my dd. I'm not completely happy with the transitions but it's only her third writing project focusing on this skill and it is not an easy skill to learn! I have to reign myself in and focus on a few items to work on so I don't overwhelm her. Overall I'm happy with the result and at this point I'm not going to have her edit it again. I will let it sit awhile and then have her pull it out at a later date and see what she thinks of it with a little more practice and experience under her belt. I hope this was helpful (and not too long a read). :001_smile: Thank you for sharing! We are in Homer A and just about to begin Homer B. I just wanted to say that I think your daughter's rewrite is wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Thank you Dyan (Cleopatra) so much for taking the time to share that. Your fingers have to be tired from all that typing though... so I am feeling a tad guilty for asking that of you!! I thoroughly enjoyed her version of the story and it gave me a definite idea of the length of the writing in Homer as well as the depth of the material you are working with. By comparison my dd10 is working in CC Fable (the first progym. level of classical composition) and the stories are much shorter although I expect them to get quite a bit longer in the next few years. Thanks again for sharing everything, I would love to see more when your fingers recover in a month or two. ;-) Brava! Your dd writes amazingly well for a 10 yr old as does your 8 yr old ds! Wow! I particularly like the part where the fish giggle ... :lol: And thank you for sharing. I have to say, one of my minor frustrations with CW, is that because some of their models are so long, it makes it difficult for the child to include all the elements they have learned/are learning and do them well. A shorter model, like your dc had, or perhaps a little longer, would be so welcome! I also like the idea of working with one shorter model for a period of time, which you can do with CW if the teacher implements it, but if you follow the instructor's manual, you always switch models from lesson to lesson. In any case, I'm getting familiar enough with CW that I'm more comfortable skipping lessons, dropping elements, adding elements, doing things differently, etc. As for grammar, my dd did FLL until level 4 and then switched to R&S. Presently she's just finishing R&S6, moving to 7. I'd say FLL was the best curriculum we ever used. The progress was so incremental, each skill building on another, yet the amount of work was never overwhelming. I think we reached R&S 6 before there were a number of new topics introduced. I cried bitter tears with many other forum members when ALL was cancelled. :crying: I was able to preview Harvey's grammar at a friend's house this week and I think I will buy it for reference. It isn't really a grammar program, which I suppose is why CW offers workbooks with it; it simply looked like a reference book to me. But we'll continue with R&S. One of the best grammar helps we've had is Latin. When you study Latin, especially at the level we are at now, you are always immersed in grammar and it is very helpful! Don't worry! My fingers aren't a bit sore and it gave me some badly needed typing practic. Let's keep in touch and share some more samples. It might also be enlightening to do further comparison of CW & CC. I get the feeling that, while they are probably very similar in some areas, the approach is possibly very different ...... ??? Please tell your dd & ds how much I loved their re-writes! :001_smile: Thank you for sharing! We are in Homer A and just about to begin Homer B. I just wanted to say that I think your daughter's rewrite is wonderful. Thank you for your kind words! I will tell my dd. It's nice to hear praise from someone else, especially over so long a model. She still has psychological scars from her Jemima Puddleduck re-write! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Roller Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I loved your DD's retelling, Dyan. I have sent you a private message. I hope you don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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