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When we were on WIC I had to go for a meeting once every 3 months? and have an iron test done, so did the little ones. I had to meet with a person and discuss our food diary and healthy choices. Maybe something along this idea? I don't know how it would work ligistically, though.

 

Logistically? A nightmare. It took my dh more than a dozen phone calls tried over a period of days to simply get through to a human to CANCEL our benefits. There was no paperwork involved at all, just a phone call.

 

If they don't have enough staffing to answer the phone, how are they going to afford staff to oversee all the food benefit recipients? They could raise taxes, but I don't think anyone wants that.

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Would everyone recieve childcare to do these meetings, would there be transportation for those who cannot drive? Will employers understand yet another day they must take off when they already lose so much time for childrens appts and illnesses.

 

Notice I said I don't know how it would work logistically? I don't, but I do think education would help some people. Maybe offer it, not mandatory? Maybe the young single mom wants to know how to feed her famiily better, but doesn't know where to turn.

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How is dignity based upon the ability to buy junk food?

 

I guess it is having the same choice the rest of us have - to make wise choices or foolish ones, or in-between ones... to weight the costs/benefits of time, nutrition, and price and make choices for one's own family's diet.

 

I, personally, prefer to separate assistance programs from educational programs - I think WIC,frex, is a *mess*, a wonderful idea, but not doing a great job at either of its missions.

 

Eating in a healthful way isn't instinctive behavior, it is learned... and it takes extra time, energy, and, often, money. Changing people's eating behaviors is complex, and I don't think strict rules about coverage is an appropriate, or effective way to achieve that (very worthwhile!) goal.

 

Right now, food stamps is supposed to be money for "food". I feel strongly that until/unless the whole program is revamped to be about nutritious/healthful eating, sniping at individual choices is pointless, and unkind.

 

I see legislative decisions about what is "food" and what isn't differently, and, as long as those boundaries apply to all of us... and businesses that manufacture them, I'm all for it.

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No, it's just a fact. I am not wishing bad things for anyone. But the fact is that life can change for anyone very quickly and unexpectedly. It's nice to find yourself (universal "you") in a situation where you aren't worried about food. But that is not everyone's reality. And it may not be yours (universal "yours") forever either. :chillpill:

 

Exactly. We've lived frugally for years. The slowing economy, exacerbated by trickle down effects from an oil spill was our downfall. Maybe we should have sued BP instead. :tongue_smilie:

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On what basis does anyone deserve ice cream or chocolate, particularly ice cream or chocolate purchased with my dime?

 

Fully agree with the others who have pointed out the difference between wants and needs.

 

Terri

 

 

Oh please! This whole "my dime" garbage is just... garbage! It's not YOUR dime. It's the whole collective of taxpayers' dimes. What you put in isn't YOURS anymore! It belongs to the whole country. You do NOT get to pick and choose to fund this program or that program because it isn't your money anymore.

 

Laying claim to public money is a crude and selfish attempt to lay shame on people who need assistance. Did you ever stop to think that SHE put in HER dimes, too?? Is she not allowed to reap the benefits of the collective funds just like you? You may not be benefitting in the form of assistance, but you are benefitting every time you drive on a public road, use a public service or get a chance to cheer on your troops.

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When we were on WIC I had to go for a meeting once every 3 months? and have an iron test done, so did the little ones. I had to meet with a person and discuss our food diary and healthy choices. Maybe something along this idea? I don't know how it would work ligistically, though.

 

I quit WIC when they redflagged me for not having my kids' vaxes up to date, despite the fact that they were medically exempt. They wanted to send a nurse to my house every other week to "check on them" because of it.

 

I think I went to two classes and that was it. The video was pretty stupid to be honest and not helpful whatsoever. The other was on breastfeeding, not that I wasn't already in familiar territory on that one either.

 

Their nutritional counseling was all based on what the government said and did not take into consideration the child's health issues, body structure, genetics, etc. If my child didn't have an exact portion (not more, not less) I got lectured about it.

 

They quit their mom-to-mom breastfeeding program. Now only licensed lactational consultants are permitted. That costs more and they don't necessarily help more. I actually had a nurse from WIC call me (she's related to someone I know) and ask me to come over and help her with her challenges on breastfeeding her son....and I'm not a licensed lactational consultant.

 

The list of food is sometimes taken subjectively by stores. I was able to get Muenster cheese (the only kind I could handle during pregnancy) at one store. Then suddenly I found myself in an argument with a clerk and manager over it. It's not "flavoured" cheese (aka pepperjack, etc). But they admitted they weren't familiar with it, so they didn't know for sure, so they decided to arbitrarily think of it as "flavoured". It's a PITA when you have people in line behind you are sighing and huffing and puffing while the clerk is checking every stinking ounce (because you can't go half an ounce over and if you get the other box then you lose out on 6oz, etc...and you know what, you can get more ounces with the carppy stuff than you can when you try to get the stuff with the nuts and fruit in it...because that weighs more!). You just can't win with WIC half the time. Now the checks they gave you for the farmer's markets (when you can find one that accepts them) was awesome.

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Oh please! This whole "my dime" garbage is just... garbage! It's not YOUR dime. It's the whole collective of taxpayers' dimes. What you put in isn't YOURS anymore! It belongs to the whole country. You do NOT get to pick and choose to fund this program or that program because it isn't your money anymore.

 

Laying claim to public money is a crude and selfish attempt to lay shame on people who need assistance. Did you ever stop to think that SHE put in HER dimes, too?? Is she not allowed to reap the benefits of the collective funds just like you? You may not be benefitting in the form of assistance, but you are benefitting every time you drive on a public road, use a public service or get a chance to cheer on your troops.

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The dignity is having the choice to determine what your family will eat or drink.

Many families, without being on assistance, cannot afford to buy their choices. I don't see, honestly, how its taking someone's dignity away.

Because it's telling other people how to live in the minutiae of their lives. I would think you'd understand that.

Honestly, nope. Maybe I lack 'dignity' radar or something, I don't know. I get the feelings of being frustrated, etc, but I've never considered it a dignity issue. Perhaps I use different terms to think/express it, I don't know.

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Let's tell that single mom whos husband ran out on her and can't get a court date for child support in over a year that she can't let her son have some pudding. I cannot believe the selfishness in this thread or this people on this board. I mean her life don't suck enough does it? Let's make it worse by really showing her she is helpless. I hope when Jesus comes back he has some cash for a soda cause he sure won't get one around you all.

 

Just as I want what is best for my own dc, I want what is best for every dc. There is an epidemic of low SES children with life-threatening obesity, diabetes, etc. I think it is the opposite of selfishness to want better nutrition for these children. I would rather give more money and see them fed well, both in school and in their homes. I think it's selfish to not care about children who are starving (nutritionally) in low SES families. Who cares about mom's feelings; these kiddos' lives are literally at stake. (Note: I don't think restricting what can be bought is the best answer, I think reforming the system to get nutritious food directly to the children and educate the adults is the answer.)

 

Maybe some people haven't seen a child starving because mom and dad spent the food stamps on expensive food (or sold it for cash) the first week. Actually starving. There is no school breakfast or lunch during Christmas break, and dh's little students would lose 10 or more pounds over the break. Thankfully there are summer food programs for them. We would drop off bags of groceries at their houses over breaks, hoping the kiddos would get some of the food. Dh would feed them as much fruit, nuts, crackers, etc. as we could afford for his classroom on a teacher's salary. And his school was probably third or fourth from the top of the list of most impoverished schools in the district. I would cry myself to sleep wanting to take the kiddos and hide them at our house and feed them and protect them.

 

Nope. Not selfish.

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Here's my take:

 

1. Other peoples taxes pay for my benefit. That is why they should have some say.:chillpill:

 

2. If I had enough food in my pantry to waste food stamps on non-food items like soda pop, why would I even qualify for food stamps?

 

3. Food stamps SHOULD NOT BE USABLE AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! I'm a single mom and have three kids. Is only eating homemade an inconvenience? Yes! But for the price I pay for one meal at a fast food place I could feed us for the whole day! Again, if I could afford to do that, why would I even qualify for food stamps?:glare:

 

4. Food stamps SHOULD BE USABLE FOR FARMERS MARKETS, CO-OPS, and CSA's. Healthy food, reasonable prices, why the heck not?:confused:

 

5. And finally, not that I think food stamps should necessarily cover multi-vitamins, but why the heck can I buy candy, chips, and soda pop with them and NOT vitamins?:001_huh:

 

Just sayin'

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You rock.

I don't like speeders and tailgaters. My dime helps pay for the highways, shouldn't I get a say on how people drive?

 

 

 

Government run institutions can't get their own nutritional standards straight.

 

:iagree: 7up is the one thing I want when I have an upset stomach. Which happens more when you under stress because of lack of money. Which happens when you on food stamps and feeling judged by the world because your dh is out of work. There's enough guilt associated with it.

 

:iagree:

 

:iagree:

 

:iagree: movies :svengo: how dare you!

 

You know what this whole thread ticks me off. My family has been on food stamps for the last year. We finally stopped the benefits, but we still have money left on our card. The allowance for our family size was very generous. We don't take that for granted. The food card allowance was way more than our grocery budget was before. My dh has been under/unemployed for the last year. Finally things are starting to roll again and we've cancelled our benefits, but they don't take away what it already on the card. We're middle aged, dh is 50 and he has worked since he was 18. This is the first time ever we have qualified or sought government help. It has been a blessing to us. We have a full fridge, freezer, and pantry. We've NEVER had that. NEVER. We're very frugal with our money. You know what I'm drinking a soda with lunch, bought with the food card. :001_huh: Don't die of shock. I also have fresh fruit that could never afford, I have meat in my freezer that I could never afford. I have spices and breakfast food. I even have an extra dark chocolate bar stashed in my desk drawer.

 

We are not ungrateful for what we've been given. We're not excited that we've had to utilize a service so many people feel the need to judge. I pray some of you are never in the situation where you need help, because by that point the government may have regulated it to ashes. I think I'll go buy a bottle of wine now, which I will have to pay with my own money. Have a great day everyone. :confused:

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Many families, without being on assistance, cannot afford to buy their choices. I don't see, honestly, how its taking someone's dignity away.

 

Honestly, nope. Maybe I lack 'dignity' radar or something, I don't know. I get the feelings of being frustrated, etc, but I've never considered it a dignity issue. Perhaps I use different terms to think/express it, I don't know.

 

I think her point is that you can choose what you spend your money on, and you do so wisely, often with little to nothing left for what you think of as luxury items. Your neighbor may choose to spend her money on different things, and may choose to forgo things you think are important and spend on what you view as luxuries. But you've each retained that choice for yourselves.

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When we were on WIC I had to go for a meeting once every 3 months? and have an iron test done, so did the little ones. I had to meet with a person and discuss our food diary and healthy choices. Maybe something along this idea? I don't know how it would work ligistically, though.

 

 

I think such educational programs would be *wonderful*!!

 

...but, as you say, the logistics are challenging.

 

..and the funding is even more challenging.

 

We, as a country, would have to decide to invest a serious amount of money in nutrition education... and figure out what the *content* would be.

 

I think that would be a fabulous thing to do, and, coupled with programs that work on bringing nutritional food choices into more neighborhoods could make such an amazing difference.

 

 

...because that's another problem. Oatmeal and brown rice, for example, aren't easy to buy in some neighborhoods... and for people who are shopping at gas station convenience stores, they aren't necessarily cheaper than boxed cereal. ...and fresh produce is almost impossible to find in some neighborhoods.

 

It is a *hard* problem, or, more accurately, set of problems, with no easy solutions.

 

Doing nothing is a really lousy option, but I worry even more about attempts at quick, surface fixes that don't address the underlying issues and leave people who are already struggling in an even harder situation.

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Maybe some people haven't seen a child starving because mom and dad spent the food stamps on expensive food (or sold it for cash) the first week. Actually starving. There is no school breakfast or lunch during Christmas break, and dh's little students would lose 10 or more pounds over the break. Thankfully there are summer food programs for them. We would drop off bags of groceries at their houses over breaks, hoping the kiddos would get some of the food. Dh would feed them as much fruit, nuts, crackers, etc. as we could afford for his classroom on a teacher's salary. And his school was probably third or fourth from the top of the list of most impoverished schools in the district. I would cry myself to sleep wanting to take the kiddos and hide them at our house and feed them and protect them. Nope. Not selfish.

 

How do you know the parents bought expensive food or sold it for cash? Do you genuinely believe this is done in the vast majority of households?

 

If my child loses weight (in your eyes) and you know I am on assistance, you want to take my child away?

 

Mostly rhetorical. *shrug*

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Government run institutions can't get their own nutritional standards straight.

 

:iagree:

 

This is why I groan when I hear about the government controlling what people eat.

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*sigh*

 

The times my family have qualified for food stamps, we've been employed. Or, at least one of us. In any case, we've been working.

 

 

 

Good questions. I'm not defending soda as a quality food - or even a food at all. I am questioning the always present assumption in these threads of the percentage of abuse.

 

Where will "we" draw the line on determining the quality of food available to snap recipients? Ok, let's exclude soda.

 

What about PopTarts? They are not good food.

 

Ramen noodles? Cheap and filling, yes, but horrible for you.

 

What about mixed packages, such as lunchables?

 

Cereal. That's could get dicey. Some cereal would me most people's requirements for healthy. Others? Not so much. Where would you put the cut off.

 

We had a legend thread once here about food stamps and birthday cake. Would you exclude prepared cake? What about boxed cake? What about ingredients for cake? Sugar, for example?

 

Or, another angle.

 

I believe in a low carb diet as healthiest. I think added sugar to peanut butter is an atrocity. I think reliance on grain based foods (the basis of the food pyramid) leads to disease.

 

There are others who would feel feeding my children a burger, no bun, is irresponsible.

 

Who decides?

 

Here's the deal. If you don't buy into the stereotype/legend of rampant abuse, most people on food stamps are simply financially struggling. Trust me when I tell you that they don't need further indignity by having the government or homeschool moms on a forum tell them what is acceptable to buy in terms of feeding their family.

 

Check your news feed. The food pyramid was replaced as of today. :lol:

 

"My Plate" is the newest program to replace the pyramid.

 

I think I'll make a song in honor of it.

 

It will be sung to the tune of "My Humps."

 

"My plate! My plate! My healthy eatin' plate! Check it out!"

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This is why I groan when I hear about the government controlling what people eat.

 

The moment the government starts spending money, they start affecting whatever it is they spend that money on.

 

If the government should not be saying anything about what people eat, they should not be spending money on people's food.

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How do you know the parents bought expensive food or sold it for cash? Do you genuinely believe this is done in the vast majority of households?

 

If my child loses weight (in your eyes) and you know I am on assistance, you want to take my child away?

 

Because the kiddos (and sometimes parents) explained it in detail to dh. They actually thought he was really an oddity for not knowing how to manage in the inner city, and they (and sometimes their parents) would explain how he could do all sorts of thing he didn't know how to do (dh grew up dirt poor, but in the country, which requires a different skill set to survive.)

 

I didn't say I wanted to take any children away. I want to give food to children who lose weight consistently over every school break because they aren't getting even as much as the two meals they got during school time.

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Here's my take:

 

1. Other peoples taxes pay for my benefit. That is why they should have some say.:chillpill:

 

Those receiving food stamps have, are, or will pay into the benefit systme, too. Why does their say count for less, just because they have to avail themselves of the system at a given point?

 

2. If I had enough food in my pantry to waste food stamps on non-food items like soda pop, why would I even qualify for food stamps?

 

There's a set amount, determined by income, that a family is allotted. Maybe they coupon like crazy, or budget their food purchases differently to allow for that treat. They won't get less because they budget better, or more because they budget worse.

 

3. Food stamps SHOULD NOT BE USABLE AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! I'm a single mom and have three kids. Is only eating homemade an inconvenience? Yes! But for the price I pay for one meal at a fast food place I could feed us for the whole day! Again, if I could afford to do that, why would I even qualify for food stamps?:glare:

 

Umm... they're not. Some people who can prove they live in an environment without access to a refrigerator, microwave, or stove can use their FS benefits on specified low-cost prepared foods at set locations. This does not include fast food places. (At least in Ohio.)

 

4. Food stamps SHOULD BE USABLE FOR FARMERS MARKETS, CO-OPS, and CSA's. Healthy food, reasonable prices, why the heck not?:confused:

 

In my state, they can be used at Farmer's Markets if they're available. They're not available to everyone, though.

 

5. And finally, not that I think food stamps should necessarily cover multi-vitamins, but why the heck can I buy candy, chips, and soda pop with them and NOT vitamins?:001_huh:

 

Because the point of the FS program is to keep families from starving. All calories are not equal, but empty calories will keep you moving. Multi-vitamins are not a food.

 

Just sayin'

 

Just sayin'.

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Here's my take:

 

1. Other peoples taxes pay for my benefit. That is why they should have some say.:chillpill:

 

2. If I had enough food in my pantry to waste food stamps on non-food items like soda pop, why would I even qualify for food stamps?

 

3. Food stamps SHOULD NOT BE USABLE AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! I'm a single mom and have three kids. Is only eating homemade an inconvenience? Yes! But for the price I pay for one meal at a fast food place I could feed us for the whole day! Again, if I could afford to do that, why would I even qualify for food stamps?:glare:

 

4. Food stamps SHOULD BE USABLE FOR FARMERS MARKETS, CO-OPS, and CSA's. Healthy food, reasonable prices, why the heck not?:confused:

 

5. And finally, not that I think food stamps should necessarily cover multi-vitamins, but why the heck can I buy candy, chips, and soda pop with them and NOT vitamins?:001_huh:

 

Just sayin'

 

In our area you can not use food stamps at a restaurant, not that we've tried. You also can not use them for heated ready-to-go items in some stores. We were able to use it at a bulk food store and buy bulk healthy items.

 

I know in our area it is somehow related to how things are coded when they scan. If I buy toothpaste along with my groceries it kicks it out as a toiletry item, which I can not use food stamps on. Toilet paper, pet food, and cleaning supplies don't qualify either.

 

To answer your #2 question, our benefit amount was very generous. It almost doubled what we had been budgeting for groceries. That amount had also included toiletries, pet food, and cleaning supplies. We were able to buy much more than we had been in a long time. Plus the benefits don't expire and roll over from month to month. When dh came home with the initial paperwork we realized our income before unemployment had almost qualified us for the maximum benefit. Sad, but true.

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Just as I want what is best for my own dc, I want what is best for every dc. There is an epidemic of low SES children with life-threatening obesity, diabetes, etc. I think it is the opposite of selfishness to want better nutrition for these children. I would rather give more money and see them fed well, both in school and in their homes. I think it's selfish to not care about children who are starving (nutritionally) in low SES families. Who cares about mom's feelings; these kiddos' lives are literally at stake. (Note: I don't think restricting what can be bought is the best answer, I think reforming the system to get nutritious food directly to the children and educate the adults is the answer.)

 

 

 

The reality is that the government won't give MORE money to a family to pay for BETTER foods. You get what you get and you make it stretch as far as you can. In some areas, this is easier to do with healthier foods. In other areas, it is not.

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Here's my take:

 

2. If I had enough food in my pantry to waste food stamps on non-food items like soda pop, why would I even qualify for food stamps?

 

Perhaps y'all are just way more responsible than I am (which wouldn't surprise me!), but I know that when we've had hard times, I have on occasion chosen to spend money on a small indulgence. ...and, yes, that meant sacrificing something we needed more, something that would have been "better" for us. ..but I, looking at our very limited resources, make choices about how to allocate them. In general, I like to think I did so responsibly and reasonably, but sometimes my choices were less perfect... and that meant we didn't have those resources for something else that we really needed.

 

I guess I have trouble seeing why I should be distressed if someone receiving assistance of some kind makes the same kind of less-than-perfect choice? S/he is choosing how to allocate limited resources... and when they are gone, they are gone. Why is it *our* problem to judge whether his/her choices were good ones?

 

And: If it is classified as "non-food", then it isn't purchasable with food stamps.

 

 

 

3. Food stamps SHOULD NOT BE USABLE AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS!

 

Are they!??!! Eeek. I hadn't thought they covered any kind of prepared food....

 

But for the price I pay for one meal at a fast food place I could feed us for the whole day!

 

Really?

 

I've never eaten at a fast food restaurant, but the prices I see on their advertisements are cheaper than I could manage.... unless I were aiming for the same *quality* (or lack thereof)

 

4. Food stamps SHOULD BE USABLE FOR FARMERS MARKETS, CO-OPS, and CSA's.

 

 

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

 

 

5. And finally, not that I think food stamps should necessarily cover multi-vitamins, but why the heck can I buy candy, chips, and soda pop with them and NOT vitamins?:001_huh:

 

I think your reasoning makes sense, but, as I understand it, it is an issue of what is legally defined as "food". If candy, chips, and soda are legally defined as food and vitamins aren't then the former are purchasable w/ food stamps and the latter aren't.

 

To fix that, you would have to fix the legal definition of "food". ...which I think might be a spectacular idea. :)

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Here's my take:

 

1. Other peoples taxes pay for my benefit. That is why they should have some say.:chillpill:

 

2. If I had enough food in my pantry to waste food stamps on non-food items like soda pop, why would I even qualify for food stamps?

 

3. Food stamps SHOULD NOT BE USABLE AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! I'm a single mom and have three kids. Is only eating homemade an inconvenience? Yes! But for the price I pay for one meal at a fast food place I could feed us for the whole day! Again, if I could afford to do that, why would I even qualify for food stamps?:glare:

 

4. Food stamps SHOULD BE USABLE FOR FARMERS MARKETS, CO-OPS, and CSA's. Healthy food, reasonable prices, why the heck not?:confused:

 

5. And finally, not that I think food stamps should necessarily cover multi-vitamins, but why the heck can I buy candy, chips, and soda pop with them and NOT vitamins?:001_huh:

 

Just sayin'

 

Thank you. great post.

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My teen eats 2 packages of Ramen noodles at a time and is hungry in an hour. If he eats a proper mix of protiens, carbs & vegs; he's hungry in 2-3 hours. Ramen may seem cheap but you have to eat a ton of it to satisfy hunger and then you are getting a ton of sodium and MSG. However, I sometimes use Ramen noodles to make fried noodles where I add veg and meat and my own spices, throwing their spice pack in the trash where it belongs. That is a more rounded meal. Add a salad and water and that's all you need nutritionally in a meal.

 

The way I would envision this system working is certain items, regardless of cost, would be allowed. Flour & baking supplies (even GF people have certain flours they can cook with), dairy, fresh/frozen fruits and vegetables, meats would all be allowed. You would receive a certain dollar amount and be able to purchase anything on the list in any quantity you wish. You would also receive nutritional counseling as well as financial counseling.

 

People in NM receive way more food stamps than are necessary. They frequently have excess even after buying junk food and then buy junk food for friends and family. So, those of you living in inner cities who don't receive enough food stamps to feed your families, come on out to NM, we'll feed you AND your neighbors! My college age sd receives $220 a month in FS. It costs me about $350 a month to feed my family of 3 as well as my sd because she still shows up to eat at my house and fill grocery bags from my pantry. She's feeding her friends with her FS. Her roommate receives the same amount. So for 2 college kids, they receive $440 a month. THAT is abuse in my opinion. I would love to have $440/ month given to me for food! Mostly because I can't afford to buy soda, chips, and ice cream with MY budget. Why do those on FS feel entitled to a way a life that the "working person not on assistance" can provide? Doesn't that make living on government aid something to strive for?

I am willing to help whomever I can, but I really have a problem with the sense of entitlement.

 

If the government is going to be in the business of feeding the masses then they need to be in the business of educating the masses. It is irresponsible to give people a blank check and step back and let them kill themselves with bad food choices. America's government programs have removed personal responsibility from her citizens. Don't beleive me? How about the "The best choice of beverage for my family is soda based on the choices I have" posts? In a later post, that poster had bottle water air lifted in. I couldn't afford that and I'm not a food stamps. If you are living in an area where you can't support your family you need to move. Anyone here ever read Grapes of Wrath? People would pack up their cars and move or walk and move. If you are on the brink of starving for real, then you need to take drastic action. If you are going to starve because you chose to live on credit cards to purchase NIKES and XBOXES, that is your tough luck. Fix it. Get another job to pay for your mistakes. Certainly, DON'T complain about the FREE food you are receiving. You are NOT entitled to it!

 

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I think your reasoning makes sense, but, as I understand it, it is an issue of what is legally defined as "food". If candy, chips, and soda are legally defined as food and vitamins aren't then the former are purchasable w/ food stamps and the latter aren't.

 

To fix that, you would have to fix the legal definition of "food". ...which I think might be a spectacular idea. :)

 

The food lobbyist groups would fight hard on this one!

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Here's my take:

 

1. Other peoples taxes pay for my benefit. That is why they should have some say.:chillpill:

 

Sigh

 

2. If I had enough food in my pantry to waste food stamps on non-food items like soda pop, why would I even qualify for food stamps?

 

Sometimes people have extra after doing their shopping for the month. Sometimes that is all that is left on the shelf at the store (see the Alaska posts).

 

3. Food stamps SHOULD NOT BE USABLE AT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! I'm a single mom and have three kids. Is only eating homemade an inconvenience? Yes! But for the price I pay for one meal at a fast food place I could feed us for the whole day! Again, if I could afford to do that, why would I even qualify for food stamps?:glare:

 

They aren't usable at fast food restaurants. Where did you get this idea :confused: Now I have *heard* that you can use it at Subway for a cold sandwich, but that's only hearsay...and that's no different than paying more for a smaller sub at the deli in the grocery.

 

4. Food stamps SHOULD BE USABLE FOR FARMERS MARKETS, CO-OPS, and CSA's. Healthy food, reasonable prices, why the heck not?:confused:

 

Agreed!

 

5. And finally, not that I think food stamps should necessarily cover multi-vitamins, but why the heck can I buy candy, chips, and soda pop with them and NOT vitamins?:001_huh:

 

For the same reason you can't buy cough drops with them...but you can buy horehound and lemon drop candies.

 

Just sayin'

 

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My teen eats 2 packages of Ramen noodles at a time and is hungry in an hour. If he eats a proper mix of protiens, carbs & vegs; he's hungry in 2-3 hours. Ramen may seem cheap but you have to eat a ton of it to satisfy hunger and then you are getting a ton of sodium and MSG. However, I sometimes use Ramen noodles to make fried noodles where I add veg and meat and my own spices, throwing their spice pack in the trash where it belongs. That is a more rounded meal. Add a salad and water and that's all you need nutritionally in a meal.

 

The way I would envision this system working is certain items, regardless of cost, would be allowed. Flour & baking supplies (even GF people have certain flours they can cook with), dairy, fresh/frozen fruits and vegetables, meats would all be allowed. You would receive a certain dollar amount and be able to purchase anything on the list in any quantity you wish. You would also receive nutritional counseling as well as financial counseling.

 

People in NM receive way more food stamps than are necessary. They frequently have excess even after buying junk food and then buy junk food for friends and family. So, those of you living in inner cities who don't receive enough food stamps to feed your families, come on out to NM, we'll feed you AND your neighbors! My college age sd receives $220 a month in FS. It costs me about $350 a month to feed my family of 3 as well as my sd because she still shows up to eat at my house and fill grocery bags from my pantry. She's feeding her friends with her FS. Her roommate receives the same amount. So for 2 college kids, they receive $440 a month. THAT is abuse in my opinion. I would love to have $440/ month given to me for food! Mostly because I can't afford to buy soda, chips, and ice cream with MY budget. Why do those on FS feel entitled to a way a life that the "working person not on assistance" can provide? Doesn't that make living on government aid something to strive for?

I am willing to help whomever I can, but I really have a problem with the sense of entitlement.

 

If the government is going to be in the business of feeding the masses then they need to be in the business of educating the masses. It is irresponsible to give people a blank check and step back and let them kill themselves with bad food choices. America's government programs have removed personal responsibility from her citizens. Don't beleive me? How about the "The best choice of beverage for my family is soda based on the choices I have" posts? In a later post, that poster had bottle water air lifted in. I couldn't afford that and I'm not a food stamps. If you are living in an area where you can't support your family you need to move. Anyone here ever read Grapes of Wrath? People would pack up their cars and move or walk and move. If you are on the brink of starving for real, then you need to take drastic action. If you are going to starve because you chose to live on credit cards to purchase NIKES and XBOXES, that is your tough luck. Fix it. Get another job to pay for your mistakes. Certainly, DON'T complain about the FREE food you are receiving. You are NOT entitled to it!

 

:rant:

 

There are a lot of things that aren't taken into account when figuring FS totals. It's a federal program, so the dollar will stretch further in some places than others.

 

I sincerely hope you never find yourself in an area short on jobs with your DH suddenly unemployed. I also hope that you've never made a less than perfect financial choice, because that is what you're yelling at people for: Needing help, sometimes through their own mistakes, sometimes through no fault of their own whatsoever.

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The reality is that the government won't give MORE money to a family to pay for BETTER foods. You get what you get and you make it stretch as far as you can. In some areas, this is easier to do with healthier foods. In other areas, it is not.

 

Obviously, I know that's not the way it works. I am saying that I would be willing to pay more taxes if they would change the system.

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Just sayin'.

 

First of all, I am on food stamps in CA. I am talking from my own personal experience.

 

I am not saying that we should have less say, I too paid into the system when I was employed. I am saying that everyone who pays into the system should have a say.

 

In CA there are many fast food restaurants that accept food stamps, and we are not in a "nutritional desert" by any means. Although, as you mentioned, we cannot buy "prepared" items, like a hot chicken, at the grocery store.

 

As for amount of food stamps $? My children and I live well below the poverty level. We barley make ends meet each month because my separated husband pays me half what he is supposed to be paying in child support. We get just enough food stamps to live on oatmeal, pb&j's, and pasta EVERY DAY. Maybe its just cost of living in CA, but I can't imagine having enough extra to buy soda & such.:001_huh: It would mean reducing my children to ramen.

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The moment the government starts spending money, they start affecting whatever it is they spend that money on.

 

If the government should not be saying anything about what people eat, they should not be spending money on people's food.

 

I am not saying they should not have a say on how money is spent. My point is, I don't think they know what is healthy. I don't believe the information presented, for example, on the food pyramid is based on solid scientific information. I think it is more about economics and lobby (which is based on economics). What if people all stopped buying Oreos and only ate whole natural foods? The largest food producers in the country would tank (think Kraft, General Mills, etc). And then what would that do to the economy? It's a lot about money rather than presenting sound advice. So until they start telling the truth I won't take their nutritional "advice" seriously.

 

I mean we are bombarded with the idea that Lucky Charms can be a healthy part of a nutritious breakfast (complete with a picture of the food pyramid on the box). What ever. I'd rather give my kids an occasional soda than feed them Lucky Charms everyday for 10 years.

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People in NM receive way more food stamps than are necessary.

 

Yeah, there's really something wanting about allocation of benefits. Here in CT, a family of four receives $668/month as the maximum benefit. That's more than twice what I spend for our family of four, and we eat well but not fanatically so. What I could buy for $668 boggles my mind.

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My teen eats 2 packages of Ramen noodles at a time and is hungry in an hour. If he eats a proper mix of protiens, carbs & vegs; he's hungry in 2-3 hours. Ramen may seem cheap but you have to eat a ton of it to satisfy hunger and then you are getting a ton of sodium and MSG. However, I sometimes use Ramen noodles to make fried noodles where I add veg and meat and my own spices, throwing their spice pack in the trash where it belongs. That is a more rounded meal. Add a salad and water and that's all you need nutritionally in a meal.

 

The way I would envision this system working is certain items, regardless of cost, would be allowed. Flour & baking supplies (even GF people have certain flours they can cook with), dairy, fresh/frozen fruits and vegetables, meats would all be allowed. You would receive a certain dollar amount and be able to purchase anything on the list in any quantity you wish. You would also receive nutritional counseling as well as financial counseling.

 

People in NM receive way more food stamps than are necessary. They frequently have excess even after buying junk food and then buy junk food for friends and family. So, those of you living in inner cities who don't receive enough food stamps to feed your families, come on out to NM, we'll feed you AND your neighbors! My college age sd receives $220 a month in FS. It costs me about $350 a month to feed my family of 3 as well as my sd because she still shows up to eat at my house and fill grocery bags from my pantry. She's feeding her friends with her FS. Her roommate receives the same amount. So for 2 college kids, they receive $440 a month. THAT is abuse in my opinion. I would love to have $440/ month given to me for food! Mostly because I can't afford to buy soda, chips, and ice cream with MY budget. Why do those on FS feel entitled to a way a life that the "working person not on assistance" can provide? Doesn't that make living on government aid something to strive for?

I am willing to help whomever I can, but I really have a problem with the sense of entitlement.

 

If the government is going to be in the business of feeding the masses then they need to be in the business of educating the masses. It is irresponsible to give people a blank check and step back and let them kill themselves with bad food choices. America's government programs have removed personal responsibility from her citizens. Don't beleive me? How about the "The best choice of beverage for my family is soda based on the choices I have" posts? In a later post, that poster had bottle water air lifted in. I couldn't afford that and I'm not a food stamps. If you are living in an area where you can't support your family you need to move. Anyone here ever read Grapes of Wrath? People would pack up their cars and move or walk and move. If you are on the brink of starving for real, then you need to take drastic action. If you are going to starve because you chose to live on credit cards to purchase NIKES and XBOXES, that is your tough luck. Fix it. Get another job to pay for your mistakes. Certainly, DON'T complain about the FREE food you are receiving. You are NOT entitled to it!

 

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Wow! Just plain WOW! What a lot of broadbrushing ASSUMptions! Sure, there's plenty of jobs out there where people can make more. This country isn't really in a crisis. Women on here don't really have husbands that have lost jobs and lost homes. They must just be lying and the real issue must surely be high tastes and credit cards!

 

Lovely, just lovely.

 

Yes, there are people that abuse things...there always will be. But don't punish the masses for the few. Also, financial counseling does not do anything when one doesn't have a job or one is working their butt off at a job and there aren't higher paying jobs. Especially if that person is already living debt free and no frills. We've been there! When we were in that spot we saw three financial counselors (and we weren't even on food stamps though we should have and could have been). All three told us that they could not help us. In fact, they said we were accomplishing what they themselves could not!

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First of all, I am on food stamps in CA. I am talking from my own personal experience.

 

I am not saying that we should have less say, I too paid into the system when I was employed. I am saying that everyone who pays into the system should have a say.

 

In CA there are many fast food restaurants that accept food stamps, and we are not in a "nutritional desert" by any means. Although, as you mentioned, we cannot buy "prepared" items, like a hot chicken, at the grocery store.

 

As for amount of food stamps $? My children and I live well below the poverty level. We barley make ends meet each month because my separated husband pays me half what he is supposed to be paying in child support. We get just enough food stamps to live on oatmeal, pb&j's, and pasta EVERY DAY. Maybe its just cost of living in CA, but I can't imagine having enough extra to buy soda & such.:001_huh: It would mean reducing my children to ramen.

 

I think it has a LOT to do with cost of living in CA, actually. The FS program is a federal program, much like the federal minimum wage. And, like the fed. minimum wage, doesn't take into account the cost of living in a give area, AFAIK. I would get more with the same amount here in Ohio, but I know that my friends in Tennessee would be able to stretch that amount even further than I am.

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If you accept a gift/loan/ or pretty much anything not acquired on your own, you are bound to the choices of the giver. In his case it is technically the American people. However, never fear, our trusty government is going to take your money, share it with others *and* decide the parameters! Awesome! :lol:

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Why do those on FS feel entitled to a way a life that the "working person not on assistance" can provide? I don't think most do. And what makes you assume that the person on FS is not working?

 

If the government is going to be in the business of feeding the masses then they need to be in the business of educating the masses. Agreed.

 

In a later post, that poster had bottle water air lifted in. I couldn't afford that and I'm not a food stamps. That doesn't make anyone a better or worse person.

 

If you are living in an area where you can't support your family you need to move. Anyone here ever read Grapes of Wrath? People would pack up their cars and move or walk and move. If you are on the brink of starving for real, then you need to take drastic action. So cut off FS and let them starve until they move? How are they going to move? What if they don't have a job waiting for them in New Mexico? Should we just shuffle people who are less lucky than us into someone else's backyard? What problem does that solve? It's just geography at that point.

 

If you are going to starve because you chose to live on credit cards to purchase NIKES and XBOXES, that is your tough luck. Fix it. Get another job to pay for your mistakes. Certainly, DON'T complain about the FREE food you are receiving. You are NOT entitled to it! Everyone makes mistakes in life. Sometimes they aren't mistakes and they just USED to make more money (when they bought the Nikes and Xboxes). So now we should also legislate footwear of those in need of help? (Kidding!)

 

 

Speaking of shoes, this is a great story....

 

One day, my DH and I were at a grocery store in December. We are in MN so there was a lot of snow on the ground. A man who appeared to be homeless was there.

 

My DH went to him very quietly (I didn't even know he was doing it at the time) and asked him if he'd like to change shoes. My DH had just bought two pairs of new tennis shoes and he was wearing one of the pairs. I only knew what happened because they changed shoes and DH wore the man's holey, stinky shoes home. He did it so discreetly so the man wasn't embarrassed at all.

 

I was blown away when I saw what real kindness is. I was also very humbled because that would never occur to me. But it has made me more aware of being able to look at another person and instead of judging, trying to do something.

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Obviously, I know that's not the way it works. I am saying that I would be willing to pay more taxes if they would change the system.

 

Got it. Honestly, our system does need revamping in many ways. But picking and choosing foods for everyone isn't it.

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I didn't want to enter into this fray, but I can't stop thinking about it. Here's what I think: The government takes your money in taxes to pay for food stamps at the point of a gun, because, if you don't pay your taxes they will eventually come and get you, and they will have guns. I know that's dramatic, but it's also true, and should help people realize exactly how much freedom we have lost with our current tax system. So, if the government uses money it has forcibly confiscated from other people, then surely it should be able to dictate what can be purchased with it. I don't mind helping people with my tax dollars, and I give to charity. BUT I REALLY think it's wrong to allow people to buy things with absolutely no nutritional value (ie soda and candy) with food stamps.

 

 

It's not only "dramatic," it is overwrought, untrue and frankly starting to sound like a familiar one-note-song. :glare: And there are not enough of these :001_rolleyes: smilies to express myself accurately on that.

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Speaking of shoes, this is a great story....

 

One day, my DH and I were at a grocery store in December. We are in MN so there was a lot of snow on the ground. A man who appeared to be homeless was there.

 

My DH went to him very quietly (I didn't even know he was doing it at the time) and asked him if he'd like to change shoes. My DH had just bought two pairs of new tennis shoes and he was wearing one of the pairs. I only knew what happened because they changed shoes and DH wore the man's holey, stinky shoes home. He did it so discreetly so the man wasn't embarrassed at all.

 

I was blown away when I saw what real kindness is. I was also very humbled because that would never occur to me. But it has made me more aware of being able to look at another person and instead of judging, trying to do something.

 

That will make me think twice the next time I see someone who needs money & is wearing new shoes. Bless you! :grouphug:

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Speaking of shoes, this is a great story....

 

One day, my DH and I were at a grocery store in December. We are in MN so there was a lot of snow on the ground. A man who appeared to be homeless was there.

 

My DH went to him very quietly (I didn't even know he was doing it at the time) and asked him if he'd like to change shoes. My DH had just bought two pairs of new tennis shoes and he was wearing one of the pairs. I only knew what happened because they changed shoes and DH wore the man's holey, stinky shoes home. He did it so discreetly so the man wasn't embarrassed at all.

 

I was blown away when I saw what real kindness is. I was also very humbled because that would never occur to me. But it has made me more aware of being able to look at another person and instead of judging, trying to do something.

That is cool. Love your DH. We've been hurting poor as well, but would still buy a meal, buy socks, etc for the homeless. My husband has a big heart for them. So many assumptions are made by people about any class lower than them :( Anyone ever hear of the "working poor"? They exist. They work their butts off in the factories (what is left of them) and other places. Many would love an opportunity to make more money. But look! There are all these people coming out of colleges and there aren't any jobs for them either. Many of them are ending up...oh, in the factories and other such jobs...educated working poor.

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There are a lot of things that aren't taken into account when figuring FS totals. It's a federal program, so the dollar will stretch further in some places than others.

 

I sincerely hope you never find yourself in an area short on jobs with your DH suddenly unemployed. I also hope that you've never made a less than perfect financial choice, because that is what you're yelling at people for: Needing help, sometimes through their own mistakes, sometimes through no fault of their own whatsoever.

 

I HAVE been on FS and I HAVE made poor financial choices that put my family in harms way. That is why I feel the need to remove the wool from some peoples eyes. My poor decisions did NOT make ME a VICTIM. It did not ENTITLE me to government assistance. Assistance is nice, but follow the rules and don't complain. If you want soda improve your situation. I've got news for you. If the choice was homeschool and go on FS or get a job to help support my family; I'd get the job. Again, I live in an area where there is gross abuse of the system. You can walk into almost any home of a FS recipient in this state and see kids in namebrand clothes, big screen tvs and xboxes. I agree that people need help sometime and I'm fine with that. I am totally okay with using FS to help, but it is a stepping stone. FS are not meant to be a way a life and where I'm from, they are a way of life. It's dispicable and I can't believe the numbers of people that defend that lifestyle. None of my posts have said that I have a problem with someone in true need accepting help. I've even offered a suggestion to help improve the system.

 

If my DH lost his job today, we would have to sell almost everything we own. We would then both obtain minimum wage jobs and be able to keep a roof over our heads. Again, in our area, there are plenty of min. wage job because so many people feel that they are better than to work those jobs. If we couldn't keep our house, then we would move in with relatives. If we have these options, why would we go on government assistance? People should do everything they can to take care of their own situation before asking for assistance. That's all I'm saying. Sometimes that means staying with a MIL that disapproves of you. That would definitely encourage me to find a better job quicker. If I had to take government assistance, I wouldn't (and didn't) complain about what I was allowed to purchase. You do better and improve your situation. That's all I'm saying.

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I didn't want to enter into this fray, but I can't stop thinking about it. Here's what I think: The government takes your money in taxes to pay for food stamps at the point of a gun, because, if you don't pay your taxes they will eventually come and get you, and they will have guns. I know that's dramatic, but it's also true, and should help people realize exactly how much freedom we have lost with our current tax system. So, if the government uses money it has forcibly confiscated from other people, then surely it should be able to dictate what can be purchased with it. I don't mind helping people with my tax dollars, and I give to charity. BUT I REALLY think it's wrong to allow people to buy things with absolutely no nutritional value (ie soda and candy) with food stamps.

 

You would like to live in a society with... NO taxes? How about no cops or roads?

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So... the idea is to tell adults that they can't buy soda with public funds, but to mandate that the children of those adults (Those receiving food stamps are likely to qualify for free lunch, am I correct?) that they are getting a healthy balanced lunch by serving them a hot dog on a white bun, with french fries (as a vegetable??) and a chocolate milk.

 

 

 

 

 

Just checking.

 

:iagree: COMPLETELY!

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I think it has a LOT to do with cost of living in CA, actually. The FS program is a federal program, much like the federal minimum wage. And, like the fed. minimum wage, doesn't take into account the cost of living in a give area, AFAIK. I would get more with the same amount here in Ohio, but I know that my friends in Tennessee would be able to stretch that amount even further than I am.

 

The only geographical exceptions are for Alaska and Hawaii because they are *so* much more expensive.

 

The government takes your money in taxes to pay for food stamps at the point of a gun

 

That sort of rhetoric makes most people write off your opinion. It doesn't sound dramatic, it is old hat and a bore to people who have long been involved with politics.

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I was blown away when I saw what real kindness is. I was also very humbled because that would never occur to me. But it has made me more aware of being able to look at another person and instead of judging, trying to do something.

 

It is great that your dh did that. I once chased down a man in taped-up shoes and took him to Payless to get a new pair. I was a social worker. I give to charity. I also think there should be some oversight of FS and other benefits provided by the high taxes we pay. You can be a "good" person and still think people should be accountable and use resources wisely.

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I understand the soda thing and am OK with that, although our state allows it so far. I'm even OK with other "luxury" type food items being nixed like whole lobster or caviar. lol That could get complicated, however, because who gets to decide what is a luxury food?

 

BUT, to say that people who use food stamps shouldn't be allowed to get a box of cake mix, frosting and a container of ice cream for their kids' birthday just because those things are not healthy and someone else might use their food stamps to stock up on an ice cream or chocolate sale is pretty stupid and mean, IMO.

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That sort of rhetoric makes most people write off your opinion. It doesn't sound dramatic, it is old hat and a bore to people who have long been involved with politics.

 

 

What is with that old hat anyway? :glare: That's twice in this week alone from posters with not many posts.*

 

 

 

 

 

* "Not many posts" being a relative term of course.

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You would like to live in a society with... NO taxes? How about no cops or roads?

 

Now lets not start THAT debate. That is a WHOLE NOTHER CAN OF WORMS! :lol:

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It is great that your dh did that. I once chased down a man in taped-up shoes and took him to Payless to get a new pair. I was a social worker. I give to charity. I also think there should be some oversight of FS and other benefits provided by the high taxes we pay. You can be a "good" person and still think people should be accountable and use resources wisely.

 

Agreed. It wasn't really related to the FS discussion at all. It was because someone mentioned shoes and I like the story.

 

It wasn't about who is a good person or bad person.

If it helps, I judge you to be a good person.;)

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