HollyDay Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Which books, lab manuals, etc are needed to make this program work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam L in Mid Tenn Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Keep in my that my dd using CC is going to major in art...... She is using the textbook and the videos off the website. She has also done a few of the print off pages from the website. She is watching some labs and writing some lab reports from MIT open course wear. She is doing some of the "at home" labs that are in the textbook. I'll probably have her write a short research paper. We only bought the textbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 My dd used the text, the ChemAlive! lectures and did labs with MicroChem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilary in MI Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 HollyDay, we're thinking of Conceptual Chemistry for next year as well and I had the same question. Great replies, ladies. Karin, which MicroChem set did you use? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 We are using it too. I bought a used textbook off Amazon. DD reads the text, watches the lectures online, completes the worksheets printed off from online, and does experiments with the Thames and Kosmos C3000 chem kit. DD is science oriented so we are using this to prepare her to take chemistry through dual enrollment. Pegasus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiver0f10 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Could someone please post the ISBN numbers for the CC book? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Could someone please post the ISBN numbers for the CC book? Thanks. Conceptual Chemistry 3rd edition - 0805382216 Conceptual Chemistry 4th edition - 0136054536 It is likely that you will find much cheaper prices on the 3rd edition, which is what we are using. Be aware, however, that the textbook was reorganized extensively for the 4th edition. Most of the material is the same but it is shuffled around. The "extras" on the website that are freely available, the videos and worksheets, are organized for the 4th edition. It takes some careful planning to try to re-align everything to the 3rd edition. Pegasus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Marple Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 If anyone is interested, I have 3 hardback copies of the 3rd edition Conceptual Chemistry student texts (Suchocki) and 1 copy pb of the corresponding laboratory manual, and 1 pb copy of the Instructor Manual for the 3rd edition text. PM me if you are looking for any of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 HollyDay, we're thinking of Conceptual Chemistry for next year as well and I had the same question. Great replies, ladies. Karin, which MicroChem set did you use? Thank you! We used the one that included organic Chem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 We're using a 2nd ed. (c. 2004) of Conceptual Chemistry (just the student textbook) and the videos that are free on the website (you have to shuffle them around to match up with the chapters, as the website is geared for the 4th ed.). For labs, we're doing the experiments in the textbook (short, simple and they WORK!), and then mostly TOPS units and a little of the Microchem Kit. For tests, I use questions from the end-of-chapter reviews. So far, it's working great! I'm not wild about the Microchem kit -- too fussy and difficult to get some of the experiments to work. The TOPS almost all have supply kits or individual supplies you can buy at the TOPS website. Also, check out some of the cool chemistry kits at Home Science Tools website. Below I've listed kits we are using that match up with CC (2nd ed.). Hope something here is of help! Warmest regards, Lori D. Conceptual Chemistry, 2nd ed. (c. 2004) chapter 1 = Chemistry is a Science - in textbook - TOPS Kinetic Model (#1-13) - Microchem (#A, #B, #9) chapter 2 = Elements of Chemistry - in textbook - TOPS Analysis (#1-4) - TOPS Solutions (#1-5) chapter 3 = Atom & Subatomic Particles chapter 4 = Atomic Nucleus chapter 5 = Atomic Models chapter 6 = Chemical Bonding and Molecular Shapes - in textbook - TOPS Cohesion/Adhesion (#5-6) chapter 7 = Molecular Mixing - in textbook - Microchem (#3, 10, 12) - TOPS Solutions (#14-28) chapter 8 = Water Molecules - in textbook - TOPS Solution (#17) - TOPS Cohesion/Adhesion (#1-12; 15; 21-24) chapter 9 = Chemical Reactions - in textbook - Microchem (#4, 5, 7, 13, 15, 16) - TOPS Analysis (#5-8) chapter 10 = Acids and Bases - in textbook - TOPS Analysis (#9-16) - Microchem (#11, 14) chapter 11 = Oxidation and Reduction - in textbook - TOPS Solutions (#10-13) - TOPS Oxidation (#1-16) - Microchem (#6, 7, 17) chapter 12 = Organic Compiounds chapter 13 = Chemicals of Lilfe chapter 14 = Chemistry of Drugs chapter 15 = Optimizing Food Production chapter 16 = Fresh Water Resources chapter 17 = Air Resources chapter 18 = Material Resources chapter 19 = Energy Resources - in textbook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 We're using a 2nd ed. (c. 2004) of Conceptual Chemistry (just the student textbook) and the videos that are free on the website (you have to shuffle them around to match up with the chapters, as the website is geared for the 4th ed.). For labs, we're doing the experiments in the textbook (short, simple and they WORK!), and then mostly TOPS units and a little of the Microchem Kit. For tests, I use questions from the end-of-chapter reviews. So far, it's working great! I'm not wild about the Microchem kit -- too fussy and difficult to get some of the experiments to work. The TOPS almost all have supply kits or individual supplies you can buy at the TOPS website. Also, check out some of the cool chemistry kits at Home Science Tools website. Thanks for this list. Dd and her lab partners were able to get the MicroChem experiments to work every time, but I found that at times it was difficult to correlate well to every chapter. I want to use this book again, and am going to print this for reference :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiver0f10 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilary in MI Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Great advice, everybody! Karin: Thank you very much. It really helps to know which kit you're using. And, Lori D: Thank you so much for sharing your list. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonor Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thank you, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibaker103 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 We're using a 2nd ed. (c. 2004) of Conceptual Chemistry (just the student textbook) and the videos that are free on the website (you have to shuffle them around to match up with the chapters, as the website is geared for the 4th ed.). For labs, we're doing the experiments in the textbook (short, simple and they WORK!), and then mostly TOPS units and a little of the Microchem Kit. For tests, I use questions from the end-of-chapter reviews. So far, it's working great! I'm not wild about the Microchem kit -- too fussy and difficult to get some of the experiments to work. The TOPS almost all have supply kits or individual supplies you can buy at the TOPS website. Also, check out some of the cool chemistry kits at Home Science Tools website. Below I've listed kits we are using that match up with CC (2nd ed.). Hope something here is of help! Warmest regards, Lori D. Conceptual Chemistry, 2nd ed. (c. 2004) chapter 1 = Chemistry is a Science - in textbook - TOPS Kinetic Model (#1-13) - Microchem (#A, #B, #9) chapter 2 = Elements of Chemistry - in textbook - TOPS Analysis (#1-4) - TOPS Solutions (#1-5) chapter 3 = Atom & Subatomic Particles chapter 4 = Atomic Nucleus chapter 5 = Atomic Models chapter 6 = Chemical Bonding and Molecular Shapes - in textbook - TOPS Cohesion/Adhesion (#5-6) chapter 7 = Molecular Mixing - in textbook - Microchem (#3, 10, 12) - TOPS Solutions (#14-28) chapter 8 = Water Molecules - in textbook - TOPS Solution (#17) - TOPS Cohesion/Adhesion (#1-12; 15; 21-24) chapter 9 = Chemical Reactions - in textbook - Microchem (#4, 5, 7, 13, 15, 16) - TOPS Analysis (#5-8) chapter 10 = Acids and Bases - in textbook - TOPS Analysis (#9-16) - Microchem (#11, 14) chapter 11 = Oxidation and Reduction - in textbook - TOPS Solutions (#10-13) - TOPS Oxidation (#1-16) - Microchem (#6, 7, 17) chapter 12 = Organic Compiounds chapter 13 = Chemicals of Lilfe chapter 14 = Chemistry of Drugs chapter 15 = Optimizing Food Production chapter 16 = Fresh Water Resources chapter 17 = Air Resources chapter 18 = Material Resources chapter 19 = Energy Resources - in textbook How easy will this be for a 10th grade student who loves science but struggles in math? We stopped Algebra 1 halfway through the year and now working through TT Math 7 to fix holes, especially when it comes to fractions, decimals and percentages. We will work through Pre-Algebra over the summer and probably into the fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 How easy will this be for a 10th grade student who loves science but struggles in math? Very do-able. Speaking from our experience with the 2nd ed. (c. 2004), there is virtually no math in the text -- maybe one calculation per chapter, which is very simple as they walk you through it step-by-step. (And with that much hand-holding, you really don't need to have had Algebra.) There are several math-like problems in the end-of-chapter review, but you could do them together, or skip them if they freak out your student too much, as there are plenty of other types of questions in the review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibaker103 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Very do-able. Speaking from our experience with the 2nd ed. (c. 2004), there is virtually no math in the text -- maybe one calculation per chapter, which is very simple as they walk you through it step-by-step. (And with that much hand-holding, you really don't need to have had Algebra.) There are several math-like problems in the end-of-chapter review, but you could do them together, or skip them if they freak out your student too much, as there are plenty of other types of questions in the review. I am so happy to hear this I could cry! I have really been agonizing over ds situation. Should I do Conceptual Chemistry or Conceptual Physics first or does it matter? Ds also want to do Anatomy & Forensics (thinking about Winter Promise but also want a text), when should I fit this in? Ds will complete Biology at the end of May and he wants to swing right into the Anatomy but I'm not sure if he needs Chemistry first. We are willing to hs year round to fit it all in. My head is starting to swim, lol!!! Advice please!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalea Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am planning to use CC and I appreciate all of your advice. Thanks for the thread. Azalea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Marple Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am so happy to hear this I could cry! I have really been agonizing over ds situation. Should I do Conceptual Chemistry or Conceptual Physics first or does it matter? Ds also want to do Anatomy & Forensics (thinking about Winter Promise but also want a text), when should I fit this in? Ds will complete Biology at the end of May and he wants to swing right into the Anatomy but I'm not sure if he needs Chemistry first. We are willing to hs year round to fit it all in. My head is starting to swim, lol!!! Advice please!!! If you are going to do both, I would suggest starting with Conceptual Physics. It will give the student a good base for understanding many of the chemistry concepts he will encounter with Conceptual Chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am so happy to hear this I could cry! I have really been agonizing over ds situation. Should I do Conceptual Chemistry or Conceptual Physics first or does it matter? There is a LOT more math in Physics (even Conceptual Physics) because that is how you calculate force, gravity, velocity, etc. You would want to have completed Algebra 1 before getting into Physics so you feel comfortable with all the formulas and how to "plug and chug" (plug in the given values and chug/calculate to find the answer for the missing variable). Specifically: there are more math calculations in each chapter of Conceptual Physics, and then a section of math-type problems in each end-of-chapter review that should not be skipped. However, if you've had Algebra 1, they are not difficult problems. Ds also want to do Anatomy & Forensics (thinking about Winter Promise but also want a text), when should I fit this in? Ds will complete Biology at the end of May and he wants to swing right into the Anatomy but I'm not sure if he needs Chemistry first. Now you're moving into my "uncharted waters" :tongue_smilie:, as I have not researched any Anatomy or Forensics courses. However, I would think it makes sense to go straight into those areas from Biology as they are more related to Biology than to Chemistry. As long as schooling in the summer won't burn out your student maybe try one or both of the Anatomy / Forensics (perhaps ONLY do science over the summer, no other subjects, to keep it lighter), and then start Chemistry in the fall. BEST of luck! And enjoy your science journey! Warmest regards, Lori D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Marple Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) I agree that CP would be easier if one has completed Algebra 1, but I had many students take my CP class the same year they were taking algebra 1. Those students seemed to do fine (my son was one of those). Hewitt mentions in the book (notes to the teacher section?) to focus on concepts rather than on the math. The way I would approach that is to do the more math intensive questions with the student and have the student work on the concept based questions at the end of the chapter. While a student might not understand direct/indirect proportionality by the equations, he can understand the concept by seeing and doing experiments. FWIW, I like CC a lot, but I love CP. So maybe I'm just a little biased.:D ETA: Whether one elects to do physics or chemistry first will also depend on how strongly one holds to the "physics first" philosophy (or if at all). Over the years of teaching physics and chemistry in co-op as well as with my own boys, I've become an even stronger proponent of "physics first". Edited March 17, 2011 by CynthiaOK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I am so happy to hear this I could cry! I have really been agonizing over ds situation. Should I do Conceptual Chemistry or Conceptual Physics first or does it matter? ! There is a LOT more math in Physics (even Conceptual Physics) because that is how you calculate force, gravity, velocity, etc. You would want to have completed Algebra 1 before getting into Physics so you feel comfortable with all the formulas and how to "plug and chug" (plug in the given values and chug/calculate to find the answer for the missing variable). Specifically: there are more math calculations in each chapter of Conceptual Physics, and then a section of math-type problems in each end-of-chapter review that should not be skipped. However, if you've had Algebra 1, they are not difficult problems. Warmest regards, Lori D. Correct. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibaker103 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Thank you so much Lori D, Cynthia OK, and Karin, you lovely gals have taken a load off my mind! I have now narrowed down science to the following: Anatomy & Forensics Physical Science: Concepts in Action Conceptual Chemistry Conceptual Physics I will now present my findings to ds to see which sciences he wants to do over the next three years and in what order (or maybe we'll try mixing them like another post suggested). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 LOL! I just noticed that almost simultaneously we both leaned in opposite directions on the question of doing Conceptual Chemistry or Physics first. Guess she'll just have to decide without our input. ;) BTW Cynthia, we are REALLY enjoying both this year (11th gr. DS = CC; 12th gr. DD = CP). Your recommendations in the past helped sway us to switch -- thank you! SUCH a big bounce back into enjoying science after having the life sucked out of it by Apologia Biology, and only slightly less so, Apologia Chemistry. Wouldn't it be cool if someone could combine CC and CP with Mythbuster episodes and Mythbuster-style experiments?! Hugs, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Marple Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Wouldn't it be cool if someone could combine CC and CP with Mythbuster episodes and Mythbuster-style experiments?! LOL! I think we watched all the seasons of Mythbusters and MacGuyver that Netflix had when we were doing physics. Ds#3 was sure that his career calling involved being on Mythbusters! I totally agree with the Apologia comment as well. I taught it once and, for us, it just made chemistry so much drudgery! I get really excited by chemistry and wanted my students to do so as well. I know it works for many folks so I think it has a niche, but definitely not for us. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to which to do first. So much depends on the student and the teacher. I think my bias may be that the experiments in CP were just so much fun! It was easy to be creative in designing experiments using everyday materials. The chemistry experiments were less "fun", IMO, but that may be because I wanted to do more involved experiments than the text could support. I wasn't able to make the Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry experiments work well with the text, but that could just be my own issue :D We did end up moving away from CC to BJU Chemistry at the beginning of the spring semester because it is more of a "pure" chemistry approach which is what my boys were ready for and which I could easily support as a teacher. But I think CC is a fantastic option for high school chemistry. I am so glad you are enjoying science again! That is my goal, as well, with my boys. I want them to enjoy it enough to want to learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 LOL! I think we watched all the seasons of Mythbusters and MacGuyver that Netflix had when we were doing physics. Ds#3 was sure that his career calling involved being on Mythbusters! LOL! Well, they added Tory, Grant and Kari to attract a younger generation. Maybe they could add an even younger teen squad to further attract middle school/high school students to the field of science! ;) I totally agree with the Apologia comment as well. I taught it once and, for us, it just made chemistry so much drudgery! I get really excited by chemistry and wanted my students to do so as well. I know it works for many folks so I think it has a niche, but definitely not for us. Agreed; didn't mean to run down Apologia, as it is a fine program and works for most everyone I know... just not us. ...the experiments in CP were just so much fun! It was easy to be creative in designing experiments using everyday materials. The chemistry experiments were less "fun", IMO, but that may be because I wanted to do more involved experiments than the text could support. Some of the TOPS units have worked QUITE well for us with the chemistry -- Analysis, Solutions, and (I hope -- not up to that chapter yet) Oxidation. It's the expensive MicroChem kit that has been a bust for us. Again, thanks! :) Hugs, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibaker103 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Ds has decided to do science in the following order: Anatomy & Forensics Physics Chemistry Now all I have to do is figure out labs and supplements!:auto: I guess it's time to do more research and start a new thread! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Ds has decided to do science in the following order: Anatomy & Forensics Physics Chemistry Now all I have to do is figure out labs and supplements!:auto: I guess it's time to do more research and start a new thread! :lol: That sounds good. There are a lot of good reasons to do Physics before Chemistry, so if he has the Algebra 1 this will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibaker103 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 That sounds good. There are a lot of good reasons to do Physics before Chemistry, so if he has the Algebra 1 this will work. If he can't get past Algebra 1 by 11th grade I won't know what to do or think! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 If he can't get past Algebra 1 by 11th grade I won't know what to do or think! :lol: :D I forgot his age. CC and CP come up on the AL forum, too, and sometimes I forget which thread I'm coming back to;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jibaker103 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 :D I forgot his age. CC and CP come up on the AL forum, too, and sometimes I forget which thread I'm coming back to;). No worries!:001_smile: If you know anything about adv bio specifically anatomy & physiology I could really use help and advice on my other post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 No worries!:001_smile: If you know anything about adv bio specifically anatomy & physiology I could really use help and advice on my other post! Sorry, I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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