wy_kid_wrangler04 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Ok, I do not know if this belongs on the high school board or the Logic board so I figured I would start here :001_smile: Introductory Logic by Mars Hill Press- is that a good follow up to Fallacy Detective and Thinking Toolbox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MommyThrice Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 We're using Traditional Logic I & II by Martin Cothran, published by Memoria Press (you can buy it on Amazon.) The Bluedorns have written an article about each: http://www.fallacydetective.com/articles/ just scroll down to the logic section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Wisc Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Ok, I do not know if this belongs on the high school board or the Logic board so I figured I would start here :001_smile: Introductory Logic by Mars Hill Press- is that a good follow up to Fallacy Detective and Thinking Toolbox? Having read the logic conversations over the years on this board (let's see...that is probably about 9years worth. LOL!), I would say that a larger percentage of families prefer Traditional Logic to Introductory Logic, but the group is divided. I think some actually do IL and then follow up with TL, but I don't think that is the norm. I do think IL might be a bit easier for a junior high student to use. I waited until 9th grade to do TL. Both would work as a follow up to FD and TT. I just could not get into the IL DVDs. They sat on my shelf. TL is not fun and exciting, but it is logically written (pun sort of intended) and it does teach the basics of a high school class well. My son tells me he wishes his college classmates had taken logic in high school. He also tells me that it was the most useful class he took in high school. LOL! FWIW, Jean Edited January 13, 2011 by Jean in Wisc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaLisa Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Ok, I do not know if this belongs on the high school board or the Logic board so I figured I would start here :001_smile: Introductory Logic by Mars Hill Press- is that a good follow up to Fallacy Detective and Thinking Toolbox? Yes. Our usual progression is to move from TT and FD in the middle grades to formal logic in the late middle/early high school years. Intro to Logic covers logical fallacies (as I recall), but there is little redundancy. FWIW, we also prefer Traditional Logic to Intro to Logic (having done both). HTH, Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie in MN Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Another option that my ds used in 8th grade was Critical Thinking by Critical Thinking Press. It covers much the same material as the others mentioned. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbeyej Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Piggy-backing... About Traditional Logic... Do the dvds add anything? I've seen conflicting opinions, so I'd love some "whys" behind your experiences one way or the other. Ds has done Critical Thinking Book 1, The Art of Argument, Fallacy Detective, and Argument Builder (halfway through), so I'm thinking we could do Traditional Logic 1 and 2 next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Wisc Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Piggy-backing... About Traditional Logic... Do the dvds add anything? I've seen conflicting opinions, so I'd love some "whys" behind your experiences one way or the other. Ds has done Critical Thinking Book 1, The Art of Argument, Fallacy Detective, and Argument Builder (halfway through), so I'm thinking we could do Traditional Logic 1 and 2 next year? Yes, you should be ready for TL. I like the DVDs for ME. I especially like it for child 2 & 3--it gave me an overview of what the next chapter was, I could listen to it with the child while doing handwork or dishes or... and it would remind me of the main points that would help me grade and answer questions for the next chapter. The kids can do it without the DVDs--although a child who learns by hearing and struggles with reading would be a very good candidate for the DVDs, or if the child needed extra reinforcement to grasp the ideas. Most kids could do it without them. I wouldn't do them without the DVDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Another option that my ds used in 8th grade was Critical Thinking by Critical Thinking Press. It covers much the same material as the others mentioned. Julie This is secular, yes? Would you recommend it as a good place to start for hubby and I? Could this be what I've been looking for, reading logic threads for the past two or three years? (Ok, I'm getting dramatic now...) Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yes, Intro Logic is a great follow-up. We did TT, FD, and now we're almost done with Intermediate after doing Introductory. It was an easy and fun progression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie in MN Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 This is secular, yes? Would you recommend it as a good place to start for hubby and I? Could this be what I've been looking for, reading logic threads for the past two or three years? (Ok, I'm getting dramatic now...) Rosie Yes secular, and yes a good starter course. It covers quite a bit of ground, but still uses examples that are easy and sometimes goofy. Ds did it with his book club but we went over most of it together at home. It's the kind of thing that is funner to do with someone (like your dh). Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Yes secular, and yes a good starter course. It covers quite a bit of ground, but still uses examples that are easy and sometimes goofy. Ds did it with his book club but we went over most of it together at home. It's the kind of thing that is funner to do with someone (like your dh). Julie Oh I could kiss you! (Being dramatic again, I'm not the kissy type) There's a second book too, is that worth it? If I'm going to buy, I like to combine postage... :) Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie in MN Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Rosie , I haven't seen the second book. We plan to do the Bluedorn books next. I think those have even more interactive lessons (tho not secular of course). Truth be told, although I feel it's a worthy study, I find logic dry and annoying at times, so I look for tidbits to make it funner wherever I can. Julie, Who knows "funner" is not a word Oh I could kiss you! (Being dramatic again, I'm not the kissy type) There's a second book too, is that worth it? If I'm going to buy, I like to combine postage... :) Rosie Edited January 14, 2011 by Julie in MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negin Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Another option that my ds used in 8th grade was Critical Thinking by Critical Thinking Press. It covers much the same material as the others mentioned.Julie Is this it? I would love to find something to use after the wonderful Logic Liftoff series that's secular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie in MN Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Negin, Yes, that's the book he used. I don't know about the Liftoff book, but it looks like you can even see samples to compare via your link. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratia271 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Piggy-backing... About Traditional Logic... Do the dvds add anything? I've seen conflicting opinions, so I'd love some "whys" behind your experiences one way or the other. The dvds are dry but enable the student to have someone provide a lecture of the material and walk through some of the exercises with them. If you can provide that, then the dvds are not necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negin Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Negin,Yes, that's the book he used. I don't know about the Liftoff book, but it looks like you can even see samples to compare via your link. Julie Thanks so much, Julie. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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