pqr Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 In talking with the children we made a game of listing the 10 most famous/influential assassinations in history. We also had to justify our choice, simply being famous was not enough. We defined this as murder of a leader of import killed through "non-judicial" means. This excluded groups such as Nicholas II and family etc. Further the victim needed to be a political figure and have been assassinated for political reasons. We came up with: Ceasar Lincoln Kennedy Archduke Franz Ferdinand M. Ghandi Conrad of Montferrat Tsar Alexander II ML King Philip II of Macedon Stolypin Kirov (though arguably this was more in the lines of an internal state directed murder) Thomas à Becket (though arguably this was more in the lines of an an internal state directed murder) Additions, subtractions??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Oops, I just now caught that you had Ghandi on the list. So, I'll eliminate that. What about Lord Mountbatten? IRA bomb Though not now considered as famous as case, the assassination of President William McKinley was a big deal for that era. Yitsak Rabin - murdered for "doing business" with Palestinian leaders. I am not certain why Tsar Nicolas and family were exempted. They were murdered during the Coup but not really through legal channels though there were definitely supporters within the government. I'd call it a popular ROGUE move but not a state directed one. But, it's been a while since I studied the history so I might be very wrong about that. Faith Edited January 7, 2011 by FaithManor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 I would consider adding Mahatma Ghandi to the list. Poison is the suspected agent. Faith I thought that Ghandi was shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 You are right. I got it backward. The attempted poisoning was before the shooting. There were more attempts and I got the order mixed up. Sorry! Faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXMomof4 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Benazir Bhutto might be one to add to the list. Not sure how you'd rank that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 In talking with the children we made a game of listing the 10 most famous/influential assassinations in history. We also had to justify our choice, simply being famous was not enough. We defined this as murder of a leader of import killed through "non-judicial" means. This excluded groups such as Nicholas II and family etc. Further the victim needed to be a political figure and have been assassinated for political reasons. We came up with: Ceasar Lincoln Kennedy Archduke Franz Ferdinand M. Ghandi Conrad of Montferrat Tsar Alexander II ML King Philip II of Macedon Stolypin Kirov (though arguably this was more in the lines of an internal state directed murder) Thomas à Becket (though arguably this was more in the lines of an an internal state directed murder) Additions, subtractions??? So Louis XVI isn't up for consideration either? B/c it was an execution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Oops, I just now caught that you had Ghandi on the list. So, I'll eliminate that. I am not certain why Tsar Nicolas and family were exempted. They were murdered during the Coup but not really through legal channels though there were definitely supporters within the government. I'd call it a popular ROGUE move but not a state directed one. But, it's been a while since I studied the history so I might be very wrong about that. Faith We exempted Nicholas and family because Lenin actuallly signed an execution order and because as they were already in custody it was deemed execution rather than assassination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 So Louis XVI isn't up for consideration either? B/c it was an execution? That was our logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 This is probably not in the Top 10, so it won't make your list but it is bizarre: Nepalese Royal Massacre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooh bear Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 What about Michael Collins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Just want to say that games at your house are ....interesting. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Just want to say that games at your house are ....interesting. :lol: They are and it helps to no end with history and second and third order effects of an action. Tonight's game may be top 10 executions or a more benign top 10 books. Have to see what mood everyone is in. Edited January 7, 2011 by pqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieamy Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 We came up with: Ceasar Lincoln Kennedy Archduke Franz Ferdinand M. Ghandi Conrad of Montferrat Tsar Alexander II ML King Philip II of Macedon Stolypin If the assasinations are listed in order of importance then I think I'd have put the Archduke as second or even first because of how much our current world situation has been affected by WWI and consequently WWII. Just my opinion and I certainly wouldn't mind if someone wanted to argue differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 If the assasinations are listed in order of importance then I think I'd have put the Archduke as second or even first because of how much our current world situation has been affected by WWI and consequently WWII. Just my opinion and I certainly wouldn't mind if someone wanted to argue differently. I did not put a rank order and this was a first draft we came up with over dinner. It would be fun to get inputs and alternate names and even a rank order. Collins is an interesting candidate but who would be dropped to give him a place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Kids are asking if there were any more suggestions....??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I agree.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Did anyone say Lee Harvey Oswald, or Malcolm X? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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