pqr Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333 horribly sad that this type of thing happens. What were his security team doing? If a bunch of thugs can get this close....... Edited December 10, 2010 by pqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy101 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 And here in the USA, parents and student everywhere are thinking, "wth?! 9000 pounds!? Quit griping! I'm going to get my kid a visa to Britain!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet Vane Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 And here in the USA, parents and student everywhere are thinking, "wth?! 9000 pounds!? Quit griping! I'm going to get my kid a visa to Britain!" It's a tough situation. On the one hand, the government absolutely cannot afford it anymore. It makes sense to charge for school at that level. On the other hand, that's a lot of money that no one planned for or budgeted for, and now they've got to come up with it. That is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted December 10, 2010 Author Share Posted December 10, 2010 It's a tough situation. On the one hand, the government absolutely cannot afford it anymore. It makes sense to charge for school at that level. On the other hand, that's a lot of money that no one planned for or budgeted for, and now they've got to come up with it. That is hard. My sympathy does go out to some of them, but not the ones rioting and destroying property. I also wonder just how many of those rioting actually are university students and how many are simply the detrius that seems to come together at times like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephanieF Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I think that the problem as someone has just mentioned is that we haven't budgeted for it. My ds wants to do medicine so that will be at least £50,000 which has to be found plus living expenses for approx 6 yrs. We have 2 other boys as well. We do not have that kind of cash available at the drop of a hat. Future generations will beable to save for it, for us it is too late. My boys will start out their working lives with massive debt, there is no alternative and it will be the first time this has happened so it will have a knock on buying their first house etc. I know there is currently no alternative but it doesn't mean we are happy about it. Stephanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I think that the problem as someone has just mentioned is that we haven't budgeted for it. We had saved enough to cover the boys' university education at the previous levels of fees plus living expenses. Suddenly all the rules have changed and we (and many people in less easy circumstances) are scrabbling around for the money. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Goldwater Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333 horribly sad that this type of thing happens. What were his security team doing? If a bunch of thugs can get this close....... Indeed. I find it ironic that an elitist, (speaking of Charles, et.al) who has long sung the praises of global socialism, global government and the 'green' way is forced to come face-to-face with its fruits. When socialists run out of other peoples' money, things gets very ugly and terrifying. I'm not advocating the violence, lest anyone desire to flame me...I just see the event as inevitable, and it's 'interesting' that one usually so insulated from the outcomes of their worldview is forced to deal with it, even if just for a moment. I am fearful for the future... Edited December 10, 2010 by Barry Goldwater for clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 We had saved enough to cover the boys' university education at the previous levels of fees plus living expenses. Suddenly all the rules have changed and we (and many people in less easy circumstances) are scrabbling around for the money. Laura (((Laura))) I thought of you right away when I heard this. I was thinking, "Gee, if this is a shock to me, I wonder what it must feel like to Laura (not in China anymore, but you'll always kind of be that to me). Raising the rates of ANYTHING 3-fold is a shock, no matter what the comparisons are in other countries. My immediate concern was not for Charles and his car, but rather for all those families who never saw this coming and who had thought their children would be able to attend university. I think it's going to produce generations of UK students who go into ridiculous debt to finance their educations and then spend the next 10, 15 or 20 years a slave to their student loan payments. Just look at how many people struggle with that in the US and Canada. It's insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Raising the rates of ANYTHING 3-fold is a shock, no matter what the comparisons are in other countries. My immediate concern was not for Charles and his car, but rather for all those families who never saw this coming and who had thought their children would be able to attend university. I think it's going to produce generations of UK students who go into ridiculous debt to finance their educations and then spend the next 10, 15 or 20 years a slave to their student loan payments. Just look at how many people struggle with that in the US and Canada. It's insane. I'm afraid there is already a generation who are having to pay for their university education through their early adult lives. The increase in university fees most likely means that there will be a large number of would-be undergraduates who change their minds, and decide not to bother with university at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LG Gone Wild Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333 horribly sad that this type of thing happens. What were his security team doing? If a bunch of thugs can get this close....... Not a big fan of Camilla or Charles and ditto with what Barry said. I am more upset that the tree was vandalized. Speaking of school fees, I do sympathize with unexpected rises. What would we be able to do if our property taxes increased 3 fold?! OTH, things cost what they cost. DH was talking about that last night in regards to the welding classes he teaches at the cc. His department runs tens of thousands of dollars in the red because the student fees don't reflect the true cost of the class. That deficit was just in materials alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pqr Posted December 10, 2010 Author Share Posted December 10, 2010 Count me in as another who has no sympathy for Charles or Camilla. He's an adulterating turd. If I were a person who was struggling to get by, or barely had enough money to eat, etc. there is NO WAY I would feel anything but LOATHING for "royalty". I don't begrudge money to those who earn it, DH makes 6 figures after all, but I can't stand people who are filthy rich just b/c they were born into the right family. They are supposed to be the "leaders" of their countrymen. Well, some of their countrymen are starving and struggling just to survive and provide for their families, while they (the royals) are hoarding BILLIONS in cash, jewels and real estate. So, sorry, but I feel NO sympathy for them. Does that mean I agree with the violence? I don't think so, but I also feel that, Hey, it worked for the French Revolutionists.... I like the line from Ever After; "You have been born to privilege, and with that come specific obligations." If you don't fulfill your obligations, then don't be surprised when your people aren't happy with you. If you are taking all the good that comes along with your position, then you better be willing to take the bad. . Why??? The Royal Family brings in hundreds of millions of Pounds Sterling in the form of the tourism that they generate. Buckingham would not have quite the allure were it not the residence of Queen. Believe it or not the Royals do work and the work that they do is important, they are ambassadors for the nation, they offer a tangilble contact with the past and the Queen is Head of State. In times of hardship and conflict the Royal Family offers a sense of stability and continuity. The thuggery exhibited towards them, especially this latest incident, is not something to herald. As for the French Revolution it brought more horror and terror onto the scene than is recognized in much of the "history lite" that people learn today. You speak of "obligations".....do you deny that the Queen has fulfilled them with grace and dignity for over 50 years? One of her son's has fought for his nation (Falklands) a grandson has fought (Afghanistan). Does this not exhibit obligation? As family whose every move is scrutinized (and yes there have been failings) they have done pretty well, far better I dare say than the scum who were engaging in riot and the destruction of property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) Count me in as another who has no sympathy for Charles or Camilla. He's an adulterating turd. If I were a person who was struggling to get by, or barely had enough money to eat, etc. there is NO WAY I would feel anything but LOATHING for "royalty". I don't begrudge money to those who earn it, DH makes 6 figures after all, but I can't stand people who are filthy rich just b/c they were born into the right family. They are supposed to be the "leaders" of their countrymen. Well, some of their countrymen are starving and struggling just to survive and provide for their families, while they (the royals) are hoarding BILLIONS in cash, jewels and real estate. So, sorry, but I feel NO sympathy for them. Does that mean I agree with the violence? I don't think so, but I also feel that, Hey, it worked for the French Revolutionists.... I like the line from Ever After; "You have been born to privilege, and with that come specific obligations." If you don't fulfill your obligations, then don't be surprised when your people aren't happy with you. If you are taking all the good that comes along with your position, then you better be willing to take the bad. Except, of course, for the fact that these rioters are attacking members of the Royal Family over something that their freely elected government officials decided. Edited December 10, 2010 by JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom-ninja. Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Except of course for the fact that these rioters are attacking members of the Royal Family over something that their freely elected government officials decided. That's what I was going to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy101 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 That's what I was going to say. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 More video released. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12113379 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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