# Son Spontaneously Understands Multiplication-- What now?

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My ds7 woke up this morning knowing the multiplication tables, 0-12. :blink: We haven't covered this in math yet (we're using CLE 2), but I did explain the basic idea to him yesterday. I'm sure many of you have had this happen with your dc-- I was just taken aback!

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So, what's the protocol? Do we just keep plugging away with CLE 2 math lessons, and get to lessons in multiplication when we hit it in CLE 3? Do I have him keep up his (Eureka!) multiplication facts with Math U See drill online? (He begged to do this "for fun" today. He got them all right! :w00t:) What do you do when these leaps and bounds of understanding come from out of nowhere?

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My 6 y/o understands multiplication too. He hasn't just memorized the facts... he does understand the concept. He understood the concept before he had a name for it! He recites factor lists for fun. I don't get it! ;)

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He's been bugging me to do multiplication. I tell him we can do it "for fun", but during school he will continue to do his usual school work. (He's just going into grade 2 of MM) I want to make sure we don't miss anything critical along the way and really... he just needs some time to mature into school. There's a lot of time for multiplication ahead.... I think it's better to go a little conservative up front and then be able to open him up to more later, than over do it now and end up getting stuck at some point, unable to advance because he isn't ready maturity wise.... jmo though... I'm sure there are others who will say "skip him to multiplication!"

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My 6 y/o understands multiplication too. He hasn't just memorized the facts... he does understand the concept. He understood the concept before he had a name for it! He recites factor lists for fun. I don't get it! ;)

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My almost 6 yo does this! The other day my sister walked in, went STRAIGHT to the bookshelf, nosed around and finally pulled off our math curriculum. She's always snooping, but this was beyond normal. I was :001_huh:. Um, what are you doing?

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She said, "Your Kindergartner knows and understands multiplication! My third grader (ps) hasn't started it yet, so I want to know what you're doing!"

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Trust me, it isn't Horizons. :glare: ;) I have no idea how she got like this, and I also have no idea what to do next. Sorry, I'm no help. :D

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I have been thinking and thinking about switching to Math Mammoth... I am so intrigued by it, and I am worn out with Horizons (after only one year). :tongue_smilie:There is no help in the TM. What do we do with these kids?

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My 6 y/o understands multiplication too. He hasn't just memorized the facts... he does understand the concept. He understood the concept before he had a name for it! He recites factor lists for fun. I don't get it! ;)

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He's been bugging me to do multiplication. I tell him we can do it "for fun", but during school he will continue to do his usual school work. (He's just going into grade 2 of MM) I want to make sure we don't miss anything critical along the way and really... he just needs some time to mature into school. There's a lot of time for multiplication ahead.... I think it's better to go a little conservative up front and then be able to open him up to more later, than over do it now and end up getting stuck at some point, unable to advance because he isn't ready maturity wise.... jmo though... I'm sure there are others who will say "skip him to multiplication!"

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Oh, tell me you LOVE it. Please, and end the anguish. :lol:

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Same boat here. My 6 year old does multiplication just for fun. It's crazy. He doesn't have all the facts memorized, but he's working on it. And he understands what multiplication means. We're still doing addition/subtraction in his Math Mammoth. Thankfully, even though we're still doing MM1A, he's enjoying it very much. We'd be doing 1B right now, but it looks like all of those chapters require a manipulative, and I don't have those yet... Christmas presents are planned! :D

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I have no plans to skip ahead to multiplication. Now if we just cruise through MM2 faster than a school year, that's ok! But I do want him to get the foundational concepts. It is hard to wait though... Like I want to teach him calculus NOW! :lol:

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My DD 5 did this too! I couldnt believe it when she just started telling me her multiplication facts!:001_huh:

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We are also doing MM. We finish 1B next week and will be starting 2A. She loves it! She especially likes that she gets very little instruction about it (she doesnt like for me to "explain" it!:glare:) and then she can go and do it on her own. I am not skipping forward to the multiplication part. Sometimes she uses it anyway with the adding to figure the problems out faster!

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My 6 y/o understands multiplication too. He hasn't just memorized the facts... he does understand the concept. He understood the concept before he had a name for it! He recites factor lists for fun. I don't get it! ;)

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He's been bugging me to do multiplication. I tell him we can do it "for fun", but during school he will continue to do his usual school work. (He's just going into grade 2 of MM) I want to make sure we don't miss anything critical along the way and really... he just needs some time to mature into school. There's a lot of time for multiplication ahead.... I think it's better to go a little conservative up front and then be able to open him up to more later, than over do it now and end up getting stuck at some point, unable to advance because he isn't ready maturity wise.... jmo though... I'm sure there are others who will say "skip him to multiplication!"

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I think this is a great idea. :) We do extra reading "for fun", so why not math? In the past, he's loved doing Ray's "for fun", so I guess we can do the same with multiplication and other concepts. We're having great success with CLE math, so I really don't want to skip ahead. Besides, he's still so young!

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What about switching to something more challenging like MEP, SM, or MM. All of them have multiplication in 2nd grade.

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ITA with Singapore-one thing my DD LOVES about it is that they started multiplication and division in 1B-and even though she made the jump of understanding her facts all at once, there's been enough coming around in 2A and 2B to keep her happy, while working on other concepts, too. The funny thing is that she still struggles with normal 1st grade stuff, like counting money or reading a clock.

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I am really starting to think that the biggest problem with PS curriculum is that they wait until it's no longer fun to introduce topics. I remember going nuts memorizing multiplication facts and learning how to write in cursive. My almost 6 yr old has enjoyed greatly doing both. Same with Latin. It's FUN to do those chants at 3rd/4th grade-but it was torture to memorize the same stuff in middle school when I started.

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My ds7 woke up this morning knowing the multiplication tables, 0-12. :blink: We haven't covered this in math yet (we're using CLE 2), but I did explain the basic idea to him yesterday. I'm sure many of you have had this happen with your dc-- I was just taken aback!

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So, what's the protocol? Do we just keep plugging away with CLE 2 math lessons, and get to lessons in multiplication when we hit it in CLE 3? Do I have him keep up his (Eureka!) multiplication facts with Math U See drill online? (He begged to do this "for fun" today. He got them all right! :w00t:) What do you do when these leaps and bounds of understanding come from out of nowhere?

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Stunned and inexperienced mom of super-excited ds,

MM

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Isn't it cool :001_smile: I remember when my ds#2 came to me in the middle of the kitchen (I was cooking dinner) asking me to give him "times problems like Jake does". I gave him 7 x 4 and he knew the answer! Thinking it was a good guess, I tried another...then another...and realized he DID know what it meant. He was half way through ABeka 1st grade math (this was in September of 1st grade). I asked for advice on the old Vegsource forums and was advised to move him into Singapore math. I did...and I never regretted it. He still finds math easy...he's currently in trig.

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Miquon is very good for my ds7 who figures out most concepts with the help of C rods, and very light nudges from me.

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It is inexpensive (no guilt over skipping pages LOL), and organized so you can either cover an entire topic at one time or spiral through at your own discretion. It would be very easy to buy the workbooks and pull out all of the x pages, staple together (call it something special), and let him work through it after he completes a *minimal* lesson in whatever other curric you use. You don't want to give him so much math that he loses the enthusiasm, but you still need to make sure he's progressing in +-.

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I've never used CLE, but I would highly tempted to flip forward to the next upcoming concepts and put a problem or two up on the board to see if he "teaches himself" these concepts too. You might find a spiraling curric is too slow to feed him...or it might be a good review.

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Isn't it cool :001_smile: I remember when my ds#2 came to me in the middle of the kitchen (I was cooking dinner) asking me to give him "times problems like Jake does". I gave him 7 x 4 and he knew the answer! Thinking it was a good guess, I tried another...then another...and realized he DID know what it meant. He was half way through ABeka 1st grade math (this was in September of 1st grade). I asked for advice on the old Vegsource forums and was advised to move him into Singapore math. I did...and I never regretted it. He still finds math easy...he's currently in trig.

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That is SO funny, because 7x4 was the question I first asked when ds demanded me to quiz him. :) I, too, thought it it was a fluke. He just said, "Go ahead, ask me anything-- but not past 12x." :lol:

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Well, I admit I'm hesitant about switching to SM. Frankly, I ordered it and sent it back last year. Part of me feels that ds is getting such a good foundation from CLE; that, indeed, his success and happiness with math may be in large part DUE to CLE. I am VERY hesitant about switching programs. On the other hand, I have Ray's and Stayor-Upton sitting on my bookshelf, winking at me ;) I am a sucker for old texts... :D

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If we continue with CLE math, we will reach the third grade level before the end of second. Perhaps we should just plug away. He says that he likes math, because it's so easy:confused: Is that a good thing, or a clue that he is under-challenged?

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I am SUPER happy that he does enjoy math. He's not intimated at all. Last year, we did MEP for fun. He called it his logic-math. Hmmm... Just rambling thoughts here... Sorry!

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Times Tales or something similar (like the MUS drill) to keep up on facts and I would finish the 2 book.

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Miquon is very good for my ds7 who figures out most concepts with the help of C rods, and very light nudges from me.

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It is inexpensive (no guilt over skipping pages LOL), and organized so you can either cover an entire topic at one time or spiral through at your own discretion. It would be very easy to buy the workbooks and pull out all of the x pages, staple together (call it something special), and let him work through it after he completes a *minimal* lesson in whatever other curric you use. You don't want to give him so much math that he loses the enthusiasm, but you still need to make sure he's progressing in +-.

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I've never used CLE, but I would highly tempted to flip forward to the next upcoming concepts and put a problem or two up on the board to see if he "teaches himself" these concepts too. You might find a spiraling curric is too slow to feed him...or it might be a good review.

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Interesting idea. What would it tell you if he easily teaches himself these upcoming concepts? What would you do then? :bigear: So far, he plucks up everything I throw at him pretty easily.

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Times Tales or something similar (like the MUS drill) to keep up on facts and I would finish the 2 book.

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Thanks! I'd never heard of Times Tales before. :)

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If we continue with CLE math, we will reach the third grade level before the end of second. Perhaps we should just plug away. He says that he likes math, because it's so easy Is that a good thing, or a clue that he is under-challenged?

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I was in a similar position. Ds was just flying through ABeka. I had him just take the tests through ABeka 1st grade, then used an old 2nd grade test book and he tested into the middle of 2nd grade ABeka math before reaching anything that made him think. I felt that he was just "math intuitive" rather than attributing his success to ABeka. And, I think, that was a good assessment because he still has intuitive skills - he sits through the trig lecture and can then take the tests without much studying or opening the textbook. I have 2 others who are very good in math, but they aren't quite the same as ds#2.

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I decided that I didn't want to have a 2nd grader doing a 6th grade ABeka math program because, although he was math capable, his maturity for content reading was still on the 2nd grade level. That's why we switched. Singapore allowed him to move at a fast pace, but didn't burden him with more mature themes and the amount of reading was much less than the other programs we looked at.

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We did enjoy some math logic puzzles from Critical Thinking Books and we always made Friday's fun math days (in those early years). Singapore has a lot of extras with the program that allowed us to slow down a bit as well. Their computer games were great for the elementary years and they have some excellent supplementary books.

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See how he does...you can tweak his material at any time. When he seems to be frustrated and you can't get him into the right levels, you'll know you need to make a switch or add something.

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Same thing happened with my ds. He had a math explosion. It started when he pitched a fit one day because it was SO unfair that he had "stupid, baby" math books and his lucky sister had nice, thick math books.:lol:

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One night, sometime during that time when ds was just learning math, dh and I heard him talking numbers to himself in bed. He did that many nights, and it was just adorable. Then all of a sudden we heard him yelling:

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HEY GUYS!!!!!

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THREE FOURS MAKES TWELVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I looked at dh and said, "He's multiplying?!?!?!"

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He was so excited about his discovery, and had SO MUCH FUN figuring out all the different ways to make numbers. I felt like I was on a runaway train, hanging on for dear life.

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We have gone through the curriculum at his pace, in the order the curriculum recommends. There are many chapters that go very quickly. I do, however, force ds to practice some form of math facts each day--he may understand the concept, but memorizing math facts needs to support his understanding. Once those facts are fully internalized, advanced math operations are soooo much quicker and easier.

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These are ALL very helpful posts, everyone. Thank you! :)

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My ds did the same thing when he was 6. I started him with flashcards for fun and he had the facts memorized in a couple of weeks or so.

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I'd highly recommend to switching to a "harder" curriculum like SM and investing in the harder workbooks to keep him challenged. Let him fly until he digs in! Both my kids have had similar math explosions. I have a math degree and my husband's an engineer, so I think there's a gene in there somewhere.

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Have fun! :001_smile:

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Singapore allowed him to move at a fast pace, but didn't burden him with more mature themes and the amount of reading was much less than the other programs we looked at.

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:iagree::iagree:

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this is the biggest benefit I've seen since we switched, also, esp with my mathy 7 yo.

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I'd suggest browsing on the Accelerated Learner board, and looking into gifted ed. Your son is obviously gifted in math.

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Definitely explore various math materials & programs. There are many things to check out!! Don't hold him back, keep offerring him options. He'll probably shock you with his progress!

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Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!! That's REALLY cool!

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My six year old loves multiplication and division too! He mastered the 2 and 3 times tables last week in about two days!!! and will be sure to add the rest in the coming weeks. He has been doing SM for almost a year and is ready to move to 2B next week.

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I love SM for him and recommend it to you as your little guy sounds like it would be a right fit! My son is a very beginning reader and, without much of my help, can do the problems in 2A.

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Isn't it wonderful to watch our kids learn? This is one of my favourite things about home schooling.

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Interesting idea. What would it tell you if he easily teaches himself these upcoming concepts? What would you do then? :bigear: So far, he plucks up everything I throw at him pretty easily.

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If he easily picks up these concepts, I might consider the thought that CLE is too slow or shallow for him.

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His view of the CLE should play into these thoughts. Does he think it's easy every day? (too shallow) Does he get b.o.r.e.d. practicing things he already knows by heart? (too slow)

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Oh my! Just when I thought I had math all figured out, I must re-evaluate what we're using. Oh dear!

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I find it interesting that so many of you suggest using Singapore Math. Hmm... What about Strayor-Upton or Ray's? I have both of these already... :D

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Well, this is going to take a lot of thought. Ds recently told his aunt that math is his favorite subject because it's so easy. I'm not sure whether that's a good sign or not! ;) FWIW, we've both been quite happy with CLE math. I really am hesitant to switch programs...

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I'd highly recommend to switching to a "harder" curriculum like SM and investing in the harder workbooks to keep him challenged.

:iagree: Try Singapore's Intensive Practice books with the More Challenging Problems. It's good stuff, that!

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I guess I should have looked ahead a bit in CLE. Guess what we begin today in LU 206? Yep! MULTIPLICATION!!! :lol: I am taking it as a sign to stay our course with CLE. Both ds and I love it. :) Thanks again for all the helpful replies.

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CLE is going to be way too shallow IMO.

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I would urge you to re-think this decision.

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I guess I should have looked ahead a bit in CLE. Guess what we begin today in LU 206? Yep! MULTIPLICATION!!! :lol: I am taking it as a sign to stay our course with CLE. Both ds and I love it. :) Thanks again for all the helpful replies.

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LOL If it ain't broke...;)

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If CLE never gives him those "I don't get it!" moments, you can always pull problems from MEP to supplement.

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I guess I should have looked ahead a bit in CLE. Guess what we begin today in LU 206? Yep! MULTIPLICATION!!! :lol: I am taking it as a sign to stay our course with CLE. Both ds and I love it. :) Thanks again for all the helpful replies.

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I also have a just turned 7 yo doing CLE ( 205) .He started multiplication a few weeks ago in Singapore 2 A and loves it! He does well even with the words problems and CWP in SM 2.

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My thoughts are that if he is doing well with CLE and you both are satisfied with it, DO NOT CHANGE IT . But I'd suggest to add Singapore 2 workbooks only (or textbooks too if you are not comfortable explaining concepts yourself) .They are more challenging and it's good for him to to see math from a different angle. That is what we are doing now . I have the textbooks and HIG's but I don't use them much , although I take a look for ideas . I cross some work from CLE that I know he has already mastered so we have time for Singapore.

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CLE has worked wonderfully for my son , he knows his add&sub facts as well as other concepts .I am sure Singapore alone would not work as well for him . There is not enough drill in it, even if he used extra and intensive practice He needs a spiral program. He gets it easily and forgets it easily without practice. That's how most kids are at this age, unless they are genius!

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Just something to consider...I hear a lot from friends who have used Singapore alone , then their dc reached higher levels and did not do well just because they did not have their facts down . Some , even adults struggle with it.

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For a supplement , he would probably enjoy beestar.com. It's free, once/week and has some challenging exercises as well as easy ones. It's good to expose them to different kind of maths to make sure they know how to do it, as SWB suggested in TWTM. I also hear from some people using CLE only that their dc did not know how to solve problems from other maths unless they were exactly like CLE . That is a red flag.

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Whether you switch your main curriculum or not, I'd encourage you to supplement with more thinking math problems - I think you mentioned you'd done stuff out of MEP, which has great problems (*I* enjoy doing MEP problems :tongue_smilie:).

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I was a very mathy kid, and I went through the standard ps progression at the standard ps rate, always intuitively getting it with no effort. And even though it was easy-peasy, I loved it, because I loved anything to do with numbers. But I really lost out on the chance to deepen my math ability. So I went through school, skimming along the surface, thinking I was learning all there was to know :glare:.

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I had a brief reality check when I do some math competition tests, in which I did just so-so. But I thought the students who did better than me were just better at math naturally - I had *no idea* at the time that most of the serious competitors in those things *practiced* for them, that they did tons of those sorts of thinking problems. How much better would *I* have done, if I had been doing thinking math every day, instead of just once a year? :glare:

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And then I hit a wall in my honors calc course at college - I'd never had to do that sort of work before, and I sadly accepted mediocrity instead of working to excel. While part of my problem was that I never had to work before, the other was that my math prep was sadly lacking compared to the top students. I did the hardest math available to me - but it was *not* the hardest I could manage, and that meant I didn't learn as much as I was capable of. But other kids did - and by college it is near impossible to make up the difference.

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Anyway, having a math brain is a great thing - take advantage of it by going farther and deeper, not just by doing the same ol' thing, whether accelerated or not.

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My ds8 works through his curriculum at a faster pace and we supplement. My philosophy is to always have him do 45 minutes to 1 hour of math a day no matter how much he does. He loves math so he usually doesn't drag his feet, even if it means more work.

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So, as a supplement to CLE, which math supplements are strong and yet DIFFERENT from CLE?

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We have fun doing (occasionally-- I ought to schedule more in):

*abacus work with RS abacus manual and worksheets (orally)

*RS math games

*Mathtacular

*Ray's arithmetic word problems (ds LOVES these!)

*MEP (last year)

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I have Strayor-Upton on the shelf, as well as the above resources. Singapore just wasn't a hit here, although it has been recommended over and over again (in the thread and on this board). I guess I *could* re-order it, if I were convinced it would really add something to our day ;)

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Hmm... I'd like to nurture his love of math without squelching it by piling on tons of extra work. Something along the lines of exciting math puzzles or challenges to solve, instead of an entire curriculum, I think might be the best way to approach ds. Life of Fred looks interesting for down the road, as well as math/logic puzzles by Gardner, etc.

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Oh my! Just when I thought I had math all figured out, I must re-evaluate what we're using. Oh dear!

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I find it interesting that so many of you suggest using Singapore Math. Hmm... What about Strayor-Upton or Ray's? I have both of these already... :D

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Well, this is going to take a lot of thought. Ds recently told his aunt that math is his favorite subject because it's so easy. I'm not sure whether that's a good sign or not! ;) FWIW, we've both been quite happy with CLE math. I really am hesitant to switch programs...

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who did Singapore 1A, 1B, and 2A during 1st grade, though she would have been in K if in PS. She understood everything, EASILY! I switched her to CLE this year. The kid has understood multipication and division since she was 5, and I switched her to CLE. I disagree WHOLEHEARTEDLY that SM is the only math for gifted math students. CLE is challenging. It concentrates on the basics. It drills, drills, drills. And don't think that CLE doesn't start the concept of multiplication and division in 200- we are in 205 and there are all kinds of problems that introduce the concept. That is probably why your son is picking it up. If you like CLE, don't change. I am not- not on your life. We love it here. I do have all Chalenging Word Problems workbooks from SM which I really like. We use them as practice applying math when we finish a level of CLE. I don't know why, but SM was not a real hit and we used it with multiple kids so it wasn't just the 1st levels. My PhD in engineering DH didn't like it either. He likes CLE too.

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Well..the benefits to MEP are that you can cherry pick without wasting any \$. Plus, it has some stinkin' hard problems!

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My ds enjoys CWP. You can do this book without doing the rest of Singapore. If he LOVES Ray's word problems, then these might just kick it up a notch. (It's been a while since I looked at Rays....so I'm not making a statement on which is more rigorous, but I'm guessing Singapore.)

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I think I would avoid things that feel...schoolish. I would start with 1 very tough problem a day, and make it an enjoyable part of the day to talk about how he solved the problem.

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who did Singapore 1A, 1B, and 2A during 1st grade, though she would have been in K if in PS. She understood everything, EASILY! I switched her to CLE this year. The kid has understood multipication and division since she was 5, and I switched her to CLE. I disagree WHOLEHEARTEDLY that SM is the only math for gifted math students. CLE is challenging. It concentrates on the basics. It drills, drills, drills. And don't think that CLE doesn't start the concept of multiplication and division in 200- we are in 205 and there are all kinds of problems that introduce the concept. That is probably why your son is picking it up. If you like CLE, don't change. I am not- not on your life. We love it here. I do have all Chalenging Word Problems workbooks from SM which I really like. We use them as practice applying math when we finish a level of CLE. I don't know why, but SM was not a real hit and we used it with multiple kids so it wasn't just the 1st levels. My PhD in engineering DH didn't like it either. He likes CLE too.

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Thanks for this post! I love CLE math, too, and do give it credit for fostering both ds's love and success with math. :) We're not switching. It is so thorough! I ordered SM math a couple of months ago, and couldn't see the improvement over CLE for us. I returned it.

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Now that we are in LU 206, ds practices multiplication every day. I should have looked more thoroughly through his upcoming work before posting this thread. I was just so startled by ds's leap of understanding.

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After much contemplation, I've decided to keep doing what we're doing: CLE everyday, with fun mathy challenges on our "free weeks" and alternative math now and then to keep those grey cells actively challenged. We'll keep a math-rich environment in our home. In future years, we can add math logic puzzles, Life of Fred, etc.

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Grandpa likes to challenge the family with math problems and logic problems; it is beginning to rub off on ds who now gives us math challenges. Maybe we can incorporate this into our daily traditions. Dinnertime seems like a good time to have a family mental math puzzler :D

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Yay for math!!:)

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CLE is challenging. It concentrates on the basics. It drills, drills, drills.

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Can you give an example of a problem from CLE you would consider challenging?

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I've looked through the samples of every single Light Unit and not seen any problems I would consider "challenging." No problems that moved beyond "one step" solutions, no problems that deviated from the standard presentation of formula and supplied procedure and nothing that would make a child really need to "think" in order to problem solve.

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Yes, CLE does seem to drill, drill, drill, the standard algoriths. But that is what I'd call a very shallow math education of the sort (rightly) critiqued by Liping Ma in her famous book on elementary math education.

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Can you give an example of a problem from CLE you would consider challenging?

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I've looked through the samples of every single Light Unit and not seen any problems I would consider "challenging." No problems that moved beyond "one step" solutions, no problems that deviated from the standard presentation of formula and supplied procedure and nothing that would make a child really need to "think" in order to problem solve.

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Yes, CLE does seem to drill, drill, drill, the standard algoriths. But that is what I'd call a very shallow math education of the sort (rightly) critiqued by Liping Ma in her famous book on elementary math education.

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I think this is a horse that's been beaten to death in other threads. As much as I respect everyone's opinions, I'd rather not go down that road again here. Let's NOT make this onto another of THOSE threads. :D

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I think this is a horse that's been beaten to death in other threads. As much as I respect everyone's opinions, I'd rather not go down that road again here. Let's NOT make this onto another of THOSE threads. :D

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In no thread has anyone offered an example of "challenging" work in CLE. That said, I will now bow-out.

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I can type two for you. While I wouldn't consider it as challenging as Singapore , it is more age appropriate IMO . SM is too abstract sometimes and does not drill enough . Kids this age need drill . If you use the complete SM package as they do in Singapore ( extra practice , intensive, etc) + math games it might be enough but for my learner we still need a spiral program. I have and we use SM workbooks & CWP , I used other maths as well but nothing has given my son such a good understanding , confidence and love of math as CLE !

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"Cottontail rabbits have babies often" said Mr. Parks . "Our mother rabbit here at the center had babies four times last year. The first time she had 6, and the second time there were 9 . The last two times there were 5 babies in each litter " . How many babies did the mother rabbit have last year?

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from CLE 205 , before introducing formal multiplication

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In Bible times, if someone stole a sheep,he had to give back more than the number he took . Benjamin's father had 35 sheep but someone stole one sheep .The thief was caught and he had to give back 5 sheep .

How many sheep did Benjamin's father's have then?

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Based on what you have said about CLE, I would not switch math curriculum, but you might supplement.

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I have this problem with DD to where she is bored and unchallenged but still needs constant review. It is very annoying. I will pull out some worksheets from the next school year and have her do one 2nd grade sheet and one 3rd grade sheet.

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You could do something similar with doing his normal CLE work and supplementing.

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I can type two for you. While I wouldn't consider it as challenging as Singapore , it is more age appropriate IMO . SM is too abstract sometimes and does not drill enough . Kids this age need drill . If you use the complete SM package as they do in Singapore ( extra practice , intensive, etc) + math games it might be enough but for my learner we still need a spiral program. I have and we use SM workbooks & CWP , I used other maths as well but nothing has given my son such a good understanding , confidence and love of math as CLE !

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"Cottontail rabbits have babies often" said Mr. Parks . "Our mother rabbit here at the center had babies four times last year. The first time she had 6, and the second time there were 9 . The last two times there were 5 babies in each litter " . How many babies did the mother rabbit have last year?

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from CLE 205 , before introducing formal multiplication

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In Bible times, if someone stole a sheep,he had to give back more than the number he took . Benjamin's father had 35 sheep but someone stole one sheep .The thief was caught and he had to give back 5 sheep .

How many sheep did Benjamin's father's have then?

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These seem like fine and appropriately challenging questions for Second Grade math. I asked my First Grader (who is doing Level 2 in Singapore) to solve these this evening. He was able to do so, but he did have to think it through. These are more than single step problems.

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Thank you for giving some examples :001_smile:

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Bill, you have a bright son and I believe it's because of his genetic structure , not the math(s) used. He would probably still be able to use his thinking regardless if you used Singapore or not...

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I am glad you think these are challenging enough for an average 2nd grader .

We love CLE math - it's the best I've found but a child with more potential needs to be challenged . These would be too easy for my 1st grader (who is doing 2nd) so we add SM but he built his confidence and math reasoning on CLE .

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That said , I disagree with your previous posts where you said that CLE does not have any conceptual math. Of course your statement was before you knew some word problems such as these. Samples are misleading , especially in a spiral math program which are sprinkled with easy and harder facts.

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