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MUS explains a negative as opposite. So if you have one number and put a negative sign in front of it, you have the opposite of that number (on a number line for example) which is -number. If you have two negatives, then it is opposite twice. The first opposite is negative, the next one turns it back to positive.

 

I'm not sure I explained that well enough to help.

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You can also see it as a pattern:

 

(-3)(3)=-9

(-3)(2)=-6

(-3)(1)=-3

(-3)(0)=0

 

If we continue the pattern, we continue to decrease our second number and our product continues to increase by three.

 

So...

 

(-3)(-1)=3

(-3)(-2)=6

etc.

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I'm guessing this would be too advanced to use to show your children, but maybe it will help you?

 

We know that:

1 - 1 = 0

 

Rewrite (it makes a future step easier to see)=>

1 + (-1)*1 = 0

 

add (-1)*(-1) to both sides =>

1+ (-1)*1 + (-1)*(-1) = (-1)*(-1)

 

So now we have:

1 + (-1)*1 + (-1)*(-1) = (-1)*(-1)

 

factor the (-1) out =>

1 + (-1)*(1-1) = (-1)*(-1)

 

1-1 is 0 so =>

1 + (-1)*0 = (-1)*(-1)

 

0 times any number is 0 =>

1 = (-1)*(-1)

 

So we have that (-1)*(-1) is (+1).

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I'm guessing this would be too advanced to use to show your children, but maybe it will help you?

 

We know that:

1 - 1 = 0

 

Rewrite (it makes a future step easier to see)=>

1 + (-1)*1 = 0

 

add (-1)*(-1) to both sides =>

1+ (-1)*1 + (-1)*(-1) = (-1)*(-1)

 

So now we have:

1 + (-1)*1 + (-1)*(-1) = (-1)*(-1)

 

factor the (-1) out =>

1 + (-1)*(1-1) = (-1)*(-1)

 

1-1 is 0 so =>

1 + (-1)*0 = (-1)*(-1)

 

0 times any number is 0 =>

1 = (-1)*(-1)

 

So we have that (-1)*(-1) is (+1).

 

Great Explanation!

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Thanks for all the responses.

 

On paper, I can understand how to manipulate the numbers and why the product of 2 negative integers is positive. However, it is in the realm of real life that I am trying to figure out when we need to multiply 2 negative numbers together!

 

So for example, in subtraction, a negative number can represent loss, such as withdrawals from a bank account. So that if I withdraw one hundred dollars, that can be represented as -100. Let's say I withdraw $100 every month for 3 months. This can be represented mathematically as 3 x (-100) or a net withdrawal of -300.

 

But then, how do you explain something like -3 X (-100)? If we continue the "month" analogy... could you say that moving forward in time is postive and moving backward is negative, so that 3 months ago is -3. The next part is where I get stuck. What kind of story problem would result in -3 X (-100)? Would you say how much more money did I have at the beginning of 3 months? But then, I would always think in the positive.... just 3X100=300. Why do we even need to multiply 2 negative integers?

 

Ack!

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The problem with coming up with word problems that result in multiplying two negative numbers is that most people wouldn't solve a problem that way. With the example you started to formulate about bank withdrawals, if you asked:

You withdraw $100 a month and have been doing so for a year. You currently have $900 in your bank account, how much did you have three months ago?

Well, most people would not write out "$900+(-3 months)*(-$100/month)" to solve the problem. Most people would multiply $100 by 3 and add it to $900.

 

Some examples that aren't word problems that might result in multiplying negative numbers would be graphing an equation like y=-2x+4. But the sort of problem that would require coming up with this formula and using it probably belongs in an algebra course.

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Silver, I think I'm finally understanding... multiplying 2 negative integers might not correspond to a real-world model that makes sense (because most people naturally think in the positive).

 

I have not taught my kids algebra yet (soon!) but you've helped me to make sense of my dilemma.

 

Thanks!

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