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I decided this year that for lack of money I would do history as it's laid out in the WTM. I bought the history spines from Amazon and was hoping to use the library for most of the biographies and fiction books. Ok, so now I have all of this and I am ready to plan but I honestly don't know how to pull it all together.

 

Has anyone done this or is doing this? Can you walk me through it and let me know that it's going to be ok. I am a little nervous not using a curriculum to tell me what to do each day. I have always used Sonlight and loved it but I can't afford it this year for all of my kids.

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We do. :)

 

For grammar stage, I use SOTW & the AG to map out a plan for each week. Honestly, it's probably overkill at that stage, but I like planning, so I do it anyway. ;) At the end of each week, I look at the next two weeks to make sure I have any books I need from the library and can go ahead to request what I don't have in hand yet.

 

For logic stage, I made detailed pages for each week's assignments. I also made a separate page with 'instructions' for each week, based on what's laid out in WTM. So, dd goes to her page each week, reads the "core" reading, and then follows the instructions on the instruction page. I list additional resources (for her summaries) as well as any assigned reading, a primary source if there is one that week, and a suggestion of what resource to outline that week (I try to vary what she's outlining from).

 

HTH

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We do. :)

 

For grammar stage, I use SOTW & the AG to map out a plan for each week. Honestly, it's probably overkill at that stage, but I like planning, so I do it anyway. ;) At the end of each week, I look at the next two weeks to make sure I have any books I need from the library and can go ahead to request what I don't have in hand yet.

 

For logic stage, I made detailed pages for each week's assignments. I also made a separate page with 'instructions' for each week, based on what's laid out in WTM. So, dd goes to her page each week, reads the "core" reading, and then follows the instructions on the instruction page. I list additional resources (for her summaries) as well as any assigned reading, a primary source if there is one that week, and a suggestion of what resource to outline that week (I try to vary what she's outlining from).

 

HTH

 

 

I'm very interested in your logic stage method! Could you tell me a bit more about the resources for her summaries and how she does them? Also resources for outlining?

 

Thanks,

Kim

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I'm very interested in your logic stage method! Could you tell me a bit more about the resources for her summaries and how she does them? /QUOTE]

 

Me, too! :bigear:

 

>>For logic stage, I made detailed pages for each week's assignments. I also made a separate page with 'instructions' for each week, based on what's laid out in WTM<<

 

Is there any chance you'd be willing to share a couple weeks' of the pages you made for your logic stage daughter?!

 

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Sure!

 

I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Instruction Page

Ancient Egypt Weeks The page breaks didn't show up well when I uploaded it - the initial bit about "Weeks Two through Five" is one page, and each week heading is a new page as well.

 

You'll see that she has some required reading but I didn't specify a week. This is my sneaky way of introducing time management. ;) The preview reading over the weekend is my introduction of preparing for class.

 

She's doing Week Four this week. So, she read those two double-page spreads on Sunday afternoon, which took her maybe 15-20 minutes? She re-read them much more carefully on Monday, took notes (listed important facts), & marked her dates. We don't have a wall map up right now (about to move) & I decided to get the new version of the atlas that's out in October, so she just found the area on the glove. She likes this lack-of-map-and-atlas. ;)

 

She chose to write about the process of mummification for her summary this week, so she ended up reading all of Eyewitness Mummy this week. Yes, we have a lot of stuff about Egypt; it's her favorite part of history. :) She finished The Ancient Egyptian World last week, so she just re-read the pertinent portions (which meant... index use! Hooray!). I can't find my copy of Pyramid :confused: so that's having to wait until I pick up a copy at the library later today.

 

Most of the additional resources are from the Oxford World in Ancient Times set or Eyewitness books. The rest are mostly Landmark titles or David Macaulay. For primary sources, we're using the WTM-recommended Mammoth Book of What Happened and the sourcebook that came with the World in Ancient Times set.

 

I think that's more or less it... questions welcome. :)

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For logic stage, I made detailed pages for each week's assignments. I also made a separate page with 'instructions' for each week, based on what's laid out in WTM. So, dd goes to her page each week, reads the "core" reading, and then follows the instructions on the instruction page. I list additional resources (for her summaries) as well as any assigned reading, a primary source if there is one that week, and a suggestion of what resource to outline that week (I try to vary what she's outlining from).

 

HTH

 

Oh.my.word. That's impressive! How in the world did you plan the weeks like that from TWTM? You need to spill on your planning method.:lurk5:

 

How old is your dd? I would love to be able to develop more independence in my boys. They would fall over if I handed them those sheets.:glare:

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Thank you!!

 

Sure!

 

I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Instruction Page

Ancient Egypt Weeks The page breaks didn't show up well when I uploaded it - the initial bit about "Weeks Two through Five" is one page, and each week heading is a new page as well.

 

You'll see that she has some required reading but I didn't specify a week. This is my sneaky way of introducing time management. ;) The preview reading over the weekend is my introduction of preparing for class.

 

She's doing Week Four this week. So, she read those two double-page spreads on Sunday afternoon, which took her maybe 15-20 minutes? She re-read them much more carefully on Monday, took notes (listed important facts), & marked her dates. We don't have a wall map up right now (about to move) & I decided to get the new version of the atlas that's out in October, so she just found the area on the glove. She likes this lack-of-map-and-atlas. ;)

 

She chose to write about the process of mummification for her summary this week, so she ended up reading all of Eyewitness Mummy this week. Yes, we have a lot of stuff about Egypt; it's her favorite part of history. :) She finished The Ancient Egyptian World last week, so she just re-read the pertinent portions (which meant... index use! Hooray!). I can't find my copy of Pyramid :confused: so that's having to wait until I pick up a copy at the library later today.

 

Most of the additional resources are from the Oxford World in Ancient Times set or Eyewitness books. The rest are mostly Landmark titles or David Macaulay. For primary sources, we're using the WTM-recommended Mammoth Book of What Happened and the sourcebook that came with the World in Ancient Times set.

 

I think that's more or less it... questions welcome. :)

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Oh.my.word. That's impressive! How in the world did you plan the weeks like that from TWTM? You need to spill on your planning method.:lurk5:

 

 

 

 

:iagree:Pretty please with cherries on top? I'm not there yet, but whenever I think about logic stage I get all...wheezy. This is amazing! And btw, I love the primary resources resource. And I have a few years to start collecting them! Thanks for the lead time--I'll need it.:D

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Sure!

 

I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Instruction Page

Ancient Egypt Weeks The page breaks didn't show up well when I uploaded it - the initial bit about "Weeks Two through Five" is one page, and each week heading is a new page as well.

 

You'll see that she has some required reading but I didn't specify a week. This is my sneaky way of introducing time management. ;) The preview reading over the weekend is my introduction of preparing for class.

 

She's doing Week Four this week. So, she read those two double-page spreads on Sunday afternoon, which took her maybe 15-20 minutes? She re-read them much more carefully on Monday, took notes (listed important facts), & marked her dates. We don't have a wall map up right now (about to move) & I decided to get the new version of the atlas that's out in October, so she just found the area on the glove. She likes this lack-of-map-and-atlas. ;)

 

She chose to write about the process of mummification for her summary this week, so she ended up reading all of Eyewitness Mummy this week. Yes, we have a lot of stuff about Egypt; it's her favorite part of history. :) She finished The Ancient Egyptian World last week, so she just re-read the pertinent portions (which meant... index use! Hooray!). I can't find my copy of Pyramid :confused: so that's having to wait until I pick up a copy at the library later today.

 

Most of the additional resources are from the Oxford World in Ancient Times set or Eyewitness books. The rest are mostly Landmark titles or David Macaulay. For primary sources, we're using the WTM-recommended Mammoth Book of What Happened and the sourcebook that came with the World in Ancient Times set.

 

I think that's more or less it... questions welcome. :)

 

Did you put this together?!!! I mean no offense, but I just started a thread looking for something like this!!!!!

 

Do you have more...anything from Grammar stage?

 

I am very immpressed!!!!

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I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Wow! Thank you so much Patchfire!! This looks fantastic! (I don't suppose you've already done one for Logic, Early Modern?!? :) )

 

I have got to get my arms around history for my rising 5th graders, but I keep churning around using History Odyssey, Early Modern Level 2, vs. K12 History Odyssey vs the pure wtm suggestions. I like K12 HO because it, well, kind of makes the connections for the student so I feel more secure about not missing anything. I like the wtm suggestions best bec. that's the kind of true learning and study I wanted when we started homeschooling. I like HO bec. it kind of bridges the gap between K12 HO and wtm.

 

Your approach, though, might be ideal bec. it's structured enough that I'd feel we didn't miss anything huge and bec. it would produce the more active learning & thinking (by reading multiple sources, outlining, narrating, mapwork and timeline work) that the wtm is aiming for.

 

Thank you, again, for posting!!

 

yvonne

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Do you do the notebooks with dividers like is laid out in the WTM? I am going to my Grammar stage sons set up tonite probably and then Logic stage sons done tomorrow. I will have one in Grammar stage and two in Logic. We are doing the Late Renaissance/Early Modern, 1600-1850 this year.

 

I have the books: DK History of the World, Kingfisher History Encyclopedia, Almanac of World History, and Concise History of the World. Somehow I am going to use these to teach all 3 of them history but I am lost.

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I have the books: DK History of the World, Kingfisher History Encyclopedia, Almanac of World History, and Concise History of the World. Somehow I am going to use these to teach all 3 of them history but I am lost.

 

Hey Lisa! I'll be doing 1600-1850/Early Modern with my boys who will be 10 soon, and I'm lost, too! :) Actually, it's more analysis paralysis with me than lost, but... the end result is the same.

 

I really like Kash/patchfire's approach. I think that may be the path for us.

 

Just wanted to let you know I'm in the same boat.

yvonne

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Hey Lisa! I'll be doing 1600-1850/Early Modern with my boys who will be 10 soon, and I'm lost, too! :) Actually, it's more analysis paralysis with me than lost, but... the end result is the same.

 

I really like Kash/patchfire's approach. I think that may be the path for us.

 

Just wanted to let you know I'm in the same boat.

yvonne

 

LOL!!! I really, really want to make this work. I think tonite I am going to break out the Nacho Cheese Doritos, Diet Coke w/Lime, WTM, and my history spines and figure this out.

 

I want to use the DK or Kingfisher book for Samuel my 10 yr old. He looked at both books and likes them both. He even said he would like to read from both books because they give different information. I also have that one atlas (name escapes me) that the WTM suggests getting. We will use that too. I am still not sure what I am going to use for a timeline. I have 3 Sonlight timelines that are brand new that I will probably use.

 

Too bad we can't get together and figure this out. I know this is what I want to do but I just don't know how to begin. :confused:

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Oh.my.word. That's impressive! How in the world did you plan the weeks like that from TWTM? You need to spill on your planning method.:lurk5:

 

How old is your dd? I would love to be able to develop more independence in my boys. They would fall over if I handed them those sheets.:glare:

 

Dd is 10. I started her on assignment book when she was 8 and have gradually moved towards this. History is the first subject in which she's had this much independence. It's made a good test subject for us because while she likes it, it's not her big love, and if she gets "behind," it's easy to just skim to "catch up."

 

I picked a spine based on the WTM recommendations, decided how far we'd cover each year, and then divided the pages by 36 weeks. I used a bunch of resources to compile suggested resources - WTM, Sonlight, WP, VP, recs from this board, the SOTW AGs, since the "read aloud" suggestions are good "read alone" for logic. :) After I had winnowed the list down, I did sit down with paper, pen, and my spine, and noted which weeks for which books. The actual typing was probably the easiest part. ;)

 

 

Did you put this together?!!! I mean no offense, but I just started a thread looking for something like this!!!!!

 

Do you have more...anything from Grammar stage?

 

I am very immpressed!!!!

 

I have pages last year from SOTW 4. You can see a sample on scribd. If anyone owns the SOTW 4 AG I'd be happy to send the file (er, if I can find it - it's on an external HD), but I have the mapwork retyped (hence why it's not just available online).

 

Do you do the notebooks with dividers like is laid out in the WTM? I am going to my Grammar stage sons set up tonite probably and then Logic stage sons done tomorrow. I will have one in Grammar stage and two in Logic. We are doing the Late Renaissance/Early Modern, 1600-1850 this year.

 

Yes, dd's notebook is laid out like WTM suggests. So far that's led to a couple of discussions about under which divider a given summary should go. :)

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I'm doing a few weeks of Sonlight that cover ancient Rome, then spending the rest of the semester doing more Rome a la WTM.

 

My plan is to copy the assignment explanations from the logic chapter for history onto our weekly schedule (basically read spine and outline; map, timeline and additional reading; write about what you read).

 

I think the key to making this work is to have a finite list of minimums and let the kids follow their passions for some of the rest. So I might say that they must read about Cicero, Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar and Nero but then give them a list of 10 other figures and say they need to pick 4. Of course they aren't going to learn everything. But that is ok. They don't have to know everything in 7th grade.

 

NB: The assignments that I'm referring to are in the Why 1492 chapter for the logic stage. (p 285 in my older edition) That is for There are similar assignment summaries fifth grade. I'm starting with that even though the kids are older because they still have to learn good outlining skills. My plan is to change the difficulty of the outlining as we go along through the year and head into the Middle Ages.

 

In my mind, the simplicity will be that we have the same process no matter what we're reading. Where with a scheduled curriculum, you have specific reading assignments and discussion goals. I found that having a scheduled curriculum didn't keep me from tweaking it to pieces, so why not just start with a framework instead. I'll still know what to do each day (read and outline or read and retell/write); only the actual subject matter will shift as we go along.

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Dd is 10. I started her on assignment book when she was 8 and have gradually moved towards this. History is the first subject in which she's had this much independence. It's made a good test subject for us because while she likes it, it's not her big love, and if she gets "behind," it's easy to just skim to "catch up."

 

I picked a spine based on the WTM recommendations, decided how far we'd cover each year, and then divided the pages by 36 weeks. I used a bunch of resources to compile suggested resources - WTM, Sonlight, WP, VP, recs from this board, the SOTW AGs, since the "read aloud" suggestions are good "read alone" for logic. :) After I had winnowed the list down, I did sit down with paper, pen, and my spine, and noted which weeks for which books. The actual typing was probably the easiest part. ;)

:)

 

I noticed you are using the DK Definitive visual guide.....it says in the WTM that it's very advanced and quite difficult. How old is your dd? I didn't get that book because I was going by their suggestions and thought this might be too much even for my 7th grader.

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I have pages last year from SOTW 4. You can see a sample on scribd. If anyone owns the SOTW 4 AG I'd be happy to send the file (er, if I can find it - it's on an external HD), but I have the mapwork retyped (hence why it's not just available online).

 

 

 

Its very generous of you to offer and I would love to have the file if its possible to send it. We are actually doing 1865-Modern this coming school year.

 

I'm amazed how you have fostered such independence in your dd. I wish I could get my two ds moving in that direction.

 

My goals this year are for them to gain some independence and to work on outlining, writing bios, and papers. I can't imagine getting them where they need to be.

 

Thanks for your input. Its kind of motivating and kind of depressing at the same time!:lol:

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I noticed you are using the DK Definitive visual guide.....it says in the WTM that it's very advanced and quite difficult. How old is your dd? I didn't get that book because I was going by their suggestions and thought this might be too much even for my 7th grader.

 

I took dd to B&N and had her read a few pages, last spring. I read even more myself. I decided that while it was somewhat difficult, the fact that she would be reading only one or two double-page spreads per week, combined with the overall gorgeousness of it, made up for it. We went on to get several more of their "Definitive Visual Guides" because they are just so beautiful. :) She is a somewhat advanced reader but I admit part of my motivation was starting in one resource and finishing it. (Also, she wouldn't be reading more than one double-page spread per week except we are doing a three-year rotation, focused on world history, and then will do a fourth year focusing solely on American history - if you are doing the traditional four-year rotation, it would be quite easy to focus on just one dbl-page spread per week.)

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Yes we do. It's so easy. I just open up the book, read the section, do the review questions. I did make some cute little narration pages using clip art from Karen's Whimsy which has great clipart. We do the maps, color the pictures, get library books. It's a lot easier than you think.

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Sure!

 

I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Instruction Page

Ancient Egypt Weeks The page breaks didn't show up well when I uploaded it - the initial bit about "Weeks Two through Five" is one page, and each week heading is a new page as well.

 

You'll see that she has some required reading but I didn't specify a week. This is my sneaky way of introducing time management. ;) The preview reading over the weekend is my introduction of preparing for class.

 

Most of the additional resources are from the Oxford World in Ancient Times set or Eyewitness books. The rest are mostly Landmark titles or David Macaulay. For primary sources, we're using the WTM-recommended Mammoth Book of What Happened and the sourcebook that came with the World in Ancient Times set.

 

I think that's more or less it... questions welcome. :)

 

 

The website you list for primary sources of the ancient period is fantastic!

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook.html.

 

Thank you very much for sharing...you've inspired me! :)

Pam

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Oh.my.word. That's impressive! How in the world did you plan the weeks like that from TWTM? You need to spill on your planning method.:lurk5:

 

How old is your dd? I would love to be able to develop more independence in my boys. They would fall over if I handed them those sheets.:glare:

:iagree:

I am feeling very unorganized.

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Sure!

 

I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Instruction Page

Ancient Egypt Weeks The page breaks didn't show up well when I uploaded it - the initial bit about "Weeks Two through Five" is one page, and each week heading is a new page as well.

 

You'll see that she has some required reading but I didn't specify a week. This is my sneaky way of introducing time management. ;) The preview reading over the weekend is my introduction of preparing for class.

 

She's doing Week Four this week. So, she read those two double-page spreads on Sunday afternoon, which took her maybe 15-20 minutes? She re-read them much more carefully on Monday, took notes (listed important facts), & marked her dates. We don't have a wall map up right now (about to move) & I decided to get the new version of the atlas that's out in October, so she just found the area on the glove. She likes this lack-of-map-and-atlas. ;)

 

She chose to write about the process of mummification for her summary this week, so she ended up reading all of Eyewitness Mummy this week. Yes, we have a lot of stuff about Egypt; it's her favorite part of history. :) She finished The Ancient Egyptian World last week, so she just re-read the pertinent portions (which meant... index use! Hooray!). I can't find my copy of Pyramid :confused: so that's having to wait until I pick up a copy at the library later today.

 

Most of the additional resources are from the Oxford World in Ancient Times set or Eyewitness books. The rest are mostly Landmark titles or David Macaulay. For primary sources, we're using the WTM-recommended Mammoth Book of What Happened and the sourcebook that came with the World in Ancient Times set.

 

I think that's more or less it... questions welcome. :)

 

I love this and am so happy to see your samples. Does your dd use the specific pages fro the week as a checklist?

 

I've been researching the logic stage more thoroughly this year so I would have a clue, so it is wonderful to see an example of how some one is doing it.

 

I noticed that some weeks have assigned reading and some weeks don't and was wondering why that is?

 

Does she have to read all of the additional resources listed, or does she get to pick and choose?

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We do. :)

 

For grammar stage, I use SOTW & the AG to map out a plan for each week. Honestly, it's probably overkill at that stage, but I like planning, so I do it anyway. ;) At the end of each week, I look at the next two weeks to make sure I have any books I need from the library and can go ahead to request what I don't have in hand yet.

 

For logic stage, I made detailed pages for each week's assignments. I also made a separate page with 'instructions' for each week, based on what's laid out in WTM. So, dd goes to her page each week, reads the "core" reading, and then follows the instructions on the instruction page. I list additional resources (for her summaries) as well as any assigned reading, a primary source if there is one that week, and a suggestion of what resource to outline that week (I try to vary what she's outlining from).

 

HTH

 

Whew! We're in the grammar stage and feeling like:willy_nilly:but if you only used the AG, then maybe I should relax a bit. For the last 2 weeks, I've been working on an Excel worksheet, combining MOH, SOTW, VP cards, listing various books to read, and activities to complete for the year, but it's only the grammar stage and DD is only 5. Maybe I should save my energy for the logic stage.

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I love this and am so happy to see your samples. Does your dd use the specific pages fro the week as a checklist?

 

Basically, yes.

 

I noticed that some weeks have assigned reading and some weeks don't and was wondering why that is?

 

It's partially an experiment - last year she was reading at least one history book a week, plus SOTW 4, plus the mapwork & summaries, and it was a LOT of work. I wanted to have her focused less on 'finishing everything' and more on tying what she did read together. So I picked what I thought were the "biggest bang for the buck" books, and scheduled those, but not any others.

 

Does she have to read all of the additional resources listed, or does she get to pick and choose?

 

In some cases, she has a span of weeks to read through what's listed as additional resources in some/all of those weeks. In other cases, though, it's more of a chance for her to begin the research process - using the table of contents and/or the index for a book that she just doesn't have time to read completely.

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I have pages last year from SOTW 4. You can see a sample on scribd. If anyone owns the SOTW 4 AG I'd be happy to send the file (er, if I can find it - it's on an external HD), but I have the mapwork retyped (hence why it's not just available online).

 

If you can find this I would love to see it and maybe use parts of it. I am right in the middle of making history notebooks for SOTW4 for the fall and this would be a big help for me in setting them up.

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Sure!

 

I've uploaded a sample of the history pages & the instructions to google docs:

 

Instruction Page

Ancient Egypt Weeks The page breaks didn't show up well when I uploaded it - the initial bit about "Weeks Two through Five" is one page, and each week heading is a new page as well.

 

You'll see that she has some required reading but I didn't specify a week. This is my sneaky way of introducing time management. ;) The preview reading over the weekend is my introduction of preparing for class.

 

She's doing Week Four this week. So, she read those two double-page spreads on Sunday afternoon, which took her maybe 15-20 minutes? She re-read them much more carefully on Monday, took notes (listed important facts), & marked her dates. We don't have a wall map up right now (about to move) & I decided to get the new version of the atlas that's out in October, so she just found the area on the glove. She likes this lack-of-map-and-atlas. ;)

 

She chose to write about the process of mummification for her summary this week, so she ended up reading all of Eyewitness Mummy this week. Yes, we have a lot of stuff about Egypt; it's her favorite part of history. :) She finished The Ancient Egyptian World last week, so she just re-read the pertinent portions (which meant... index use! Hooray!). I can't find my copy of Pyramid :confused: so that's having to wait until I pick up a copy at the library later today.

 

Most of the additional resources are from the Oxford World in Ancient Times set or Eyewitness books. The rest are mostly Landmark titles or David Macaulay. For primary sources, we're using the WTM-recommended Mammoth Book of What Happened and the sourcebook that came with the World in Ancient Times set.

 

I think that's more or less it... questions welcome. :)

 

Thank you so much for posting this! I've been struggling to figure out how to put a history program together using limited materials and a limited budget. This is wonderful.

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Wow. I've said many times that there's nothing quite like reading TWTM to make me feel half-educated. Looking at your charts has the same effect - you must be doing something right, LOL!

 

Those are beautiful charts. We're just getting ready to start the grammar stage, but I may print & file this for when we get there in a few years. Thank you for sharing!

 

In the course of making this outline, do you end up basically reading all her assignments herself? One of my big "upper grades" questions is, I never learned sooo much of what I want to teach, based on TWTM's recommendations. How will I ever learn enough to do all this stuff???

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yikes. instruction sheets all neat and organized. this is so over my head. pulled my son out of ps this year without even a plan. Bought twtm and a bunch of books and crossed our fingers. still planning, if any, on a day to day basis, but being a chronic organizer, i long for the days of knowing well in advance what we will be doing. this whole grammar stage thing seems, honestly, like an extension of parenting. this i can handle. this i love. i feel like it is something i was meant to do, and for the long haul, but can't breath when i think about trying to prepare lessons at a highschool level.:bigear:

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Yes, this is a very helpful thread. I noticed someone mentioned their 2009 edition WTM, and mine's 2004! As I begin to plan out next year (all by myself! No pre-written curriculum checklist! Ah!), and am rereading WTM, I can't help but wonder if the curric's and resources she lists are still "the best." Do you guys keep buying the newest edition of WTM? :)

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I don't know if anything is 'the best' but things go out of print. That seems to be the biggest challenge. I had the first edition and I have the 09. That seems to be good enough. I heard there were some big changes over the 10 years and it was certainly so. The sections on outlining were expanded upon etc. If it is revised in 2014 I prob won't get it.

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