What do you think? Is this an INappropriately mixed message? I kind of want this...

[Janie]

for my middle school classroom wall but wonder if the message is inappropriately mixed. But, each man pictured exemplified in his life those worded qualities.

 

What do you think?

 

Thanks!

[Julie in Austin]

I'm not sure the context in which you are teaching, but if this were my child's public school classroom, I would be having a long talk with the principal about my concerns with the teacher not knowing/observing appropriate boundaries given that that particular picture is associated with an extreme, fringe political group. (Obviously, I wouldn't have a problem with a "generic" or "historical" picture of those guys!)

[Farrar]

Um, I wouldn't refer to an elected president of the United States who won with a majority of the popular vote as an "extreme, fringe" group. I don't know that political messages should be up in a ps classroom, but just saying...

[Janie]

...that particular picture is associated with an extreme, fringe political group. (Obviously, I wouldn't have a problem with a "generic" or "historical" picture of those guys!)

 

I don't think that that particular picture by itself shows any association whatsoever with "an extreme, fringe political group." I'm not sure what you mean by that in response to my question. Would you care to elaborate?

[Hockey Mom]

I don't think that that particular picture by itself shows any association whatsoever with "an extreme, fringe political group." I'm not sure what you mean by that in response to my question. Would you care to elaborate?

 

I think she's referring to Glenn Beck as the "extreme, fringe political group".

 

I love the poster, btw. :) I plan on having one in my homeschool room when my boys are a little older.

[AuntPol]

I think the fringe political group is the tea party? I know the picture comes from Glen Beck. Not sure what makes them "extreme."

 

I am very sympathetic to the tea party cause and really like Glen Beck. However, I would not post the picture because it is tied to a particular political movement unless you have pictures from other groups and doing a unit on how groups get messages across or something like that. Also, "Faith, Hope, and Charity" is a widely known Biblical phrase and that can lead to some issues with some parents too.

 

So, in my homeschool yes! In a public school, no! In a private school, I would discuss it with my principal.

[LauraGB]

I've never seen that particular picture before (which fringe group??), so I wouldn't even think twice about it; I might notice it, think it was fairly cool, and move on.

[Sophia]

I like it.

What inappropriately mixed message is it sending?

 

If I'm missing it, maybe the middle schoolers will too? :tongue_smilie:

[LauraGB]

I think the fringe political group is the tea party? I know the picture comes from Glen Beck. Not sure what makes them "extreme."

 

I am very sympathetic to the tea party cause and really like Glen Beck. However, I would not post the picture because it is tied to a particular political movement unless you have pictures from other groups and doing a unit on how groups get messages across or something like that. Also, "Faith, Hope, and Charity" is a widely known Biblical phrase and that can lead to some issues with some parents too.

 

 

 

Oh! Now I get the confusion. Does anyone own the rights to the picture? If not, it's a cool picture. Who cares? And as far as the wording, well, those are pretty common words...

Edited July 31, 2010 by LauraGB

[NoPlaceLikeHome]

Um, I wouldn't refer to an elected president of the United States who won with a majority of the popular vote as an "extreme, fringe" group. I don't know that political messages should be up in a ps classroom, but just saying...

 

:iagree:

 

This is why I strongly disagree with Glenn Beck since he loves to refer to our President and fellow American Democrats as fascists, communists, extremists, etc.:glare:

 

Really, little old me an extremist? I happen to have many old fashioned values and love "Little House on the Prairie" etc., etc. I know plenty of Democrats who also have old fashioned values and who love America. To me it is an outrage when Glenn Beck and his kind speak such vile words against fellow, freedom loving Americans:glare:

 

Oh, I also love capitalism but I also believe in helping others and reasonable regulations on big businesses which does not make me a commie by any stretch of the imagination.

Edited July 31, 2010 by priscilla

[mom2a&z]

I'm not sure the context in which you are teaching, but if this were my child's public school classroom, I would be having a long talk with the principal about my concerns with the teacher not knowing/observing appropriate boundaries given that that particular picture is associated with an extreme, fringe political group. (Obviously, I wouldn't have a problem with a "generic" or "historical" picture of those guys!)

 

 

I think that most middle school students would understand that these posters are just a play on the "Obama/Change" poster that was made popular during the election.

 

And if you teach in a private school were most of the kids come from a conservative family, I would guess that some of the parents are part of that "extreme, fringe political group".

 

But as a pp said, I would check with my principal first.

[Hockey Mom]

:iagree:

 

This is why I strongly disagree with Glenn Beck since he loves to refer to our President and fellow American Democrats as fascists, communists, extremists, etc.:glare:

 

Really, little old me an extremist? I happen to have many old fashioned values and love "Little House on the Prairie" etc., etc. I know plenty of Democrats who also have old fashioned values and who love America. To me it is an outrage when Glenn Beck and his kind speak such vile words against fellow, freedom loving Americans:glare:

 

Oh, I also love capitalism but I also believe in helping others and reasonable regulations on big businesses which does not make me a commie by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I've watched Beck's show, and he is constantly saying that the majority of Americans are good, moral people. It's the politicians and the corrupt union leaders that he goes after. If you actually watch the show, he compares and contrasts modern politics to what the Founders intended based on their actual debates. He uncovers 'extreme progressives' within the system (both Left and Right) today.

 

It's been a while since I watched, but he used to have "Founders Fridays" where he had experts in the field come on his show with a live audience and discuss the history of a Founding Father. It was very educational, and a real eye-opener as to how our public schools have failed in teaching us our history.

[SailorMom]

I don't see any problem with it -and even the "Faith" one - well - it doesn't say which faith or faith in any specific being -so they can't necesarily ding you on a "christian" bias.

I do think it would be better if the pictures were just normal portraits of the presidents. I'm a Libertarian - so pretty close to a tea partier- but I really hope that any sort of political bias will be left out of my son's education next year when he goes back to PS.

[Janie]

I like it.

What inappropriately mixed message is it sending?

 

If I'm missing it, maybe the middle schoolers will too?

 

 

My view of an "inappropriately mixed message" is pairing the Biblical message of "faith, hope, and charity" with American founding fathers who were not *necessarily* Christians. Theists, yes, but not necessarily Christian.

 

And I was completely unaware of this image being a play on "Obama / Change" but after looking this up, I see it now. Just to clarify: The play on the Obama poster was not what I saw as an inappropriately mixed message.

 

I would not hesitate to use something that I believed was truthful whether or not is was an opposite take on something else, right or wrong. Truth is truth no matter who or what group proclaims it, in my opinion. :)

 

So, rephrasing my question:

Would you consider it inappropriate to pair the words faith, hope, and charity with images of Samuel Adams, George Washington, and Benjamin Franklin?

[Hockey Mom]

So, rephrasing my question:

Would you consider it inappropriate to pair the words faith, hope, and charity with images of Samuel Adams, George Washington, and Benjamin Franklin?

 

No, I would not consider it inappropriate. Given the historical texts about these three, the words are applied appropriately.

[LizzyBee]

Really, little old me an extremist? I happen to have many old fashioned values and love "Little House on the Prairie" etc., etc. I know plenty of Democrats who also have old fashioned values and who love America. To me it is an outrage when Glenn Beck and his kind speak such vile words against fellow, freedom loving Americans:glare:

 

I hate namecalling on both sides of the aisle, so I can only stomach Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the like in small doses. But yesterday, I was in the car with dh and dh was listening to Glenn Beck. At one point, Beck prefaced what he said with a disclaimer that he was not talking about all Democrats, and he realizes that there are many wonderful Democrats who love America and believe in the ideals of democracy and freedom, even if we disagree on what that should look like. I don't love any of the pundits, Beck included, but that statement did bring up my respect for him a notch.

[LizzyBee]

No, I would not consider it inappropriate. Given the historical texts about these three, the words are applied appropriately.

 

:iagree:

[EKS]

I would not put this poster up in a public or secular private school classroom.

[AuntPol]

Oh! Now I get the confusion. Does anyone own the rights to the picture? If not, it's a cool picture. Who cares? And as far as the wording, well, those are pretty common words...

 

Most of the words in the Bible are common words and I would bet a million dollars that Glenn Beck didn't just pick random words. Those words were chosen because of their significance to the Christian religion.

 

 

Those who don't have a problem with it, ask yourself how you would feel if a teacher decorated her room with the left wing version that has Obama paired with hope, Pelosi with charity, etc or an OBama poster that said "Give to the poor and come, follow me"

[momzilla333]

I don't think this belongs in ANY classroom. It's inappropriate because it's too loaded with current connotations and political bias.

 

It's much more appropriate to use a plain historic portrait.

[EKS]

I don't think this belongs in ANY classroom. It's inappropriate because it's too loaded with current connotations and political bias.

 

 

Well, yes, there's that too.

 

But I figured I wouldn't speak to the issue of it being appropriate in a Christian school room because I am not a Christian.

[pooh bear]

How about these posters instead?

 

You can find them here Real Hero Posters

[Farrar]

That's so funny - *I* didn't realize Glenn Beck had created these images or was associated with him. I'm a little more comfortable calling him an extremist, though he's pretty mainstream in some ways. I generally avoid all the 24 hour news cycles and him in particular. I almost put something up saying that I wasn't sure if it was meant to be read as pro-Obama (as in, he's part of a legacy that includes these founders) or anti-Obama (as in, these people were the real deal and he's not). But that also sort of reflects my feeling of Glenn Beck since I find him to often be contradictory and full of mixed messages. If they came from him, I would say don't put it up simply because they're being used by a particular group... unless of course you wanted to put it up on a board that included different points of view from various groups, in which case, I think it might be a good idea for spurring political discussion, but only if that's what you want and only if you feel like you can make a forum and help the kids discuss and be respectful.

[PiCO]

I hate namecalling on both sides of the aisle, so I can only stomach Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the like in small doses.

 

I'm assuming you can only watch the major networks' news in small doses also. ;)

[Teachin'Mine]

This says what Faith, Hope and Charity mean to me:

 

Faith-Hope-Charity

 

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Simplified

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The Three Theological Virtues (1812-1813)

 

The three theological virtues (faith, hope, and charity) allow man to share in God's nature. These virtues relate directly to God who directly infuses these three virtues into the soul where they make the believers capable of living as God's children and meriting eternal life.

Believing What God Revealed (1814-1816)

 

By faith, we believe in God, in all that he has revealed, and in all that the Church proposes for our belief. Faith leads to a total committal. "The righteous shall live by faith" (Rom 1:17).

When faith is deprived of hope and love, it does not unite the believer to Christ nor make him a living member of the body. "Faith apart from works is dead" (Jas 2:26).

Christ's disciple must spread the faith to others, even if this brings about persecution. Jesus said, "Whoever acknowledge me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father" and "Whoever denies me before men, I will deny before my Father" (Mt 10:43-33).

Hoping and Searching for the Kingdom (1817-1818)

 

By hope, we seek heaven, place our trust in Christ's promises, and rely on the Holy Spirit. We must "hold fast to our confession of hope" (Heb 10:23). Through the Spirit, we have "become heirs in hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:6-7).

Into everyone's heart, God has placed a search for happiness. Hope responds to this desire. It sustains man, frees him from discouragement, preserves him from selfishness, and leads to happiness on earth and in heaven.

Abraham's Hope (1819)

 

Israel's hope was modeled upon Abraham who trusted in God's promise even when asked to sacrifice Isaac. "Hoping against hope, he believed, and thus became the father of many nations" (Rom 4:18).

Our Hope of Heaven Through Jesus (1820-1821)

 

Jesus unfolded Christian hope in the beatitudes, proclaiming that those who suffer trials on earth are blessed in heaven. This hope "does not disappoint" (Rom 5:5) because Jesus has gone ahead "as a forerunner on our behalf" (Heb 6:19-20). Therefore, we can hope to gain heaven and to persevere "to the end" (Mt 10:22). The Church prays for "all men to be saved" (1 Tim 2:4) and she awaits union with Christ, the Bridegroom. "Hope, O my soul, hope. Watch carefully. Dream that the more you struggle, the more you will rejoice one day with your Beloved" (St. Teresa of Avila).

Loving God and Neighbor (1822-1824)

 

By charity, we love God for his own sake and our neighbor as ourselves for the love of God.

Jesus loved us "to the end" (Jn 13:1). He told his disciples to "love one another as I have loved you" (Jn 15:9, 12). Charity keeps the commandments of God and of Christ, "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love" (Jn 15:9-10).

Paul's Description (1825-1826)

 

Christ demands that we love everyone, especially our enemies, our neighbors and the poor. St. Paul says that love is patient and kind, believing, helping, and enduring all things. Love is not jealous, boastful, arrogant, rude, irritable, or resentful.

Without charity, "I am nothing" and "I gain nothing." "So faith, hope, and charity abide, these three. But the greatest of these is charity" (1 Cor 13:1-13).

Love Animates the Moral Life (1827-1829)

 

Charity binds all virtues "together in perfect harmony (Col 3:14) and gives them order. Charity purifies and raises human love to the perfection of God's love.

When charity animates his moral life, the Christian is free from servile fear and lives as a son responding to God who "first loved us" (1 Jn 4:19). "If we obey out of love for him who commands, we are in the position of his children" (St. Augustine).

Charity is benevolent, disinterested, and generous, bringing forth friendship and communion. "Love is the goal. Once we reach it, we shall find rest"(St. Augustine).

[Daisy]

My husband personally likes the poster and is a huge Glen Beck fan. That said, he told me there is no way he would put that up in his public school classroom. Instant recipe for ballistic parents.

[MeanestMomInMidwest]

How about these posters instead?

 

You can find them here Real Hero Posters

 

I really like these! I can't read the text, but am assuming that it has accurate statements of the historical figure's life.

[3littlekeets]

for my middle school classroom wall but wonder if the message is inappropriately mixed. But, each man pictured exemplified in his life those worded qualities.

 

What do you think?

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

Put up something done by Rachel Maddow for balance, and then you'll be fine :001_tt2:.

[Brenda in FL]

I had no idea they were associated with Glenn Beck! I thought the message was comparing Obama to the founding fathers in a positive light. In which case I thought the message was as a teacher "I support/voted for Obama." And while I agree that we need to support the president - as a parent - I'd prefer generic pictures of all 4 presidents with a word that characterizes them - but not an image that was used in a political campaign.

 

Now that I now it is something Glenn Beck is propagating, I'd still say it is an inappropriate mixed message. Even though I'm a conservative Christian, my family has chosen not to align ourselves with the FOX personalities - (even if the kids had no idea it was Glenn Beck). And it could give the message - "I'm a conservative republican, unhappy with this administration, and I'll be teaching this to your kids."

 

Hmmm - I guess what I really think is that a teacher's political views should remain private so that the teacher can not be accused of leading her students in the same political persuasion. By using these images, you are inadvertantly associating yourself with either Obama supporters or Obama naysayers. At least that's the message I get. I think using them could cause unnecessary controversy from all political points of view!

[Mrs Mungo]

I almost put something up saying that I wasn't sure if it was meant to be read as pro-Obama (as in, he's part of a legacy that includes these founders) or anti-Obama (as in, these people were the real deal and he's not).

 

That's really the problem. The fact that they are a take-off of the Obama posters is saying something. Therefore, I would vote no to putting up these particular posters.

[pooh bear]

I really like these! I can't read the text, but am assuming that it has accurate statements of the historical figure's life.

 

Scroll down each of these pages and it tells you what each poster says

 

George Washington

 

Thomas Jefferson

 

Abraham Lincoln

[BigMamaBird]

I'd say no for a public classroom, but for your homeschool room, those would be great.

[MeanestMomInMidwest]

Scroll down each of these pages and it tells you what each poster says

 

George Washington

 

Thomas Jefferson

 

Abraham Lincoln

 

I like them even more now! thanks for the link. I might just get them for myself.

[LaxMom]

I had no idea they were associated with Glenn Beck! I thought the message was comparing Obama to the founding fathers in a positive light. In which case I thought the message was as a teacher "I support/voted for Obama." And while I agree that we need to support the president - as a parent - I'd prefer generic pictures of all 4 presidents with a word that characterizes them - but not an image that was used in a political campaign...

... I think using them could cause unnecessary controversy from all political points of view!

 

I tend to agree. As I liberal whose only association of the style is with the Obama campaign ads, I looked at those and saw a boatload of irate parents. I think they can be construed negatively by those who know their provenance and those who don't, as well as a sign of "like mindedness" from either political bent.

 

(That said, outside the classroom, I think they rock, even if their origin makes me a little queasy. :D)