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So, back in Oct. I had an time where I saw spot in front of my eyes then temp. lost my pheriphal vision. Lasted for a few hours, was going to go to ER but didnt' get worse was not accompanied by headache. I went to the dr. next day have been having test ever since, turns out I had a mini stroke or a TIA, they want to put me on blood thinner but I am not fond of taking any of them, I all ready bruise easily. Can anyone direct me to a more natural approach? I will be seeing a stroke specialist soon but he is awaiting all the paperwork from other dr. but in mean time trying to do homework but not even sure which direction to go. Thanks for any advice.:001_huh:

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Vitamin E, fish oil, ginger, garlic, bromelain, ginko... and a number of others. I would be careful about using these in combination without the guidance of a naturopath.

 

Are you currently taking aspirin or warfarin?

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Fish oil. But I'd echo Moira and urge the involvement of a naturopath or other Medical expert to monitor the dose.

 

There is a "scientific alternative heath" firm that specializes in this sort of thing called "Your Future Health." They were involved treating a female athlete we profiled for a television series on alternative health. She did not want to take traditional blood thinners due to the risks of "bleeding out" given her involvement in some "extreme sports." But was quite ill prior to going on the fish oil, and she had been at risk of losing her foot.

 

I was very impressed with YHF's use of advance blood testing to allow her to treat her condition with fish oil. I doubt it's cheap. But they seem to really know what they are doing.

 

Bill

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I will find a naturopath tomorrow if possible thanks for that direction, and no I am not taking any asprin, allergic to it. I am really just wrapping my head around it all, I have to see a vision specialist because I have some vision loss and another specialist because of word confusion. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. :grouphug:

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I will find a naturopath tomorrow if possible thanks for that direction, and no I am not taking any asprin, allergic to it. I am really just wrapping my head around it all, I have to see a vision specialist because I have some vision loss and another specialist because of word confusion. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. :grouphug:

 

If you're allergic to aspirin, are you also following a salicylic free diet?

 

 

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Please discuss this with your doctor first. I am not against natural remedies per se, but if you have been prescribed Coumadin (aka warfarin) it is for a reason.

 

Also, if you have been prescribed Coumadin, you will be having frequent blood draws to monitor your blood's clotting time (thinness). The medication will be adjusted according to the lab results. Natural remedies vary in amount and potentency no matter where purchased. Some natural remedies can interfere with lab tests. Some can potentiate the action of Coumadin. The difference in potency of natural remedies will make it very difficult to adjust your prescribed Coumadin to keep your blood at the right stage of "thinness".

 

Here's a little story: I took care of a patient who decided to wean herself off her Coumadin in favor of natural remedies. The natural remedies worked like a charm. Her blood was so thin that when she had to have emergency surgery she almost died from bleeding out and it was difficult for the doctors to reverse because since she could not communicate with them, they had no idea what natural remedies she was taking and did not know what antidote to give. As opposed to if she had been on Coumadin, her blood levels would have been regulated and even if she had taken too much Coumadin she could have been given an antidote.

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Please be very careful about this. I know things have come a long way lately, but clotting scares the h*ll out of me. I hate taking pharmeceuticals, but my father has been on coumadin (sp?) since 1969 when he suffered a pulomary embolism on the night Nixon was innaugurated. Even being on the coumadin he still gets clots and they have found nothing to completely control it. My uncle (through marriage, not relation) died Monday of a blood clot. DH's aunt died of one. This is nothing to mess with. Please make sure your naturopath is very good and get your clotting time checked frequently until you are sure this is under control.

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I just realized that my post probably wasn't very helpful. From the Cleveland Clinic:

 

Salicylate sensitivity

 

Salicylates are chemicals found naturally in all plants, although the amount of salicylates varies from plant to plant. For plants, salicylates act as a natural preservative, protecting against rotting, and against harmful bacteria and fungi. For humans, salicylates are a major ingredient of aspirin and other pain-relieving medications. They also are found in many fruits and vegetables, as well as many common health and beauty products.

 

Some people have a low level of tolerance (sensitivity) to salicylates and may have reactions if more than a small amount is consumed at one time. Symptoms of salicylate sensitivity vary but may include asthma-like symptoms (such as trouble breathing and wheezing), headaches and/or nasal congestion, changes in skin color, itching, skin rash or hives, swelling of the hands and feet, swelling of the face, and stomach pain. In severe cases, salicylate sensitivity can lead to anaphylaxis, a life-threatening reaction involving a severe drop in blood pressure, loss of consciousness and organ system failure. Avoiding products that contain salicylates is the best defense against a sensitivity reaction.

 

Examples of foods that may contain salicylates

 

Fruits such as apples, avocados, blueberries, dates, kiwi fruit, peaches, raspberries, figs, grapes, plums, strawberries, cherries, grapefruit and prunes

Vegetables such as alfalfa, cauliflower, mushrooms, radishes, broad beans, eggplant, spinach, zucchini, broccoli and peppers

Herbs, spices and condiments such as dry spices and powders, tomato pastes and sauces, vinegar and soy sauce

Beverages such as instant coffee, wine, orange juice, apple cider, regular and herbal tea, beer, rum and sherry

Nuts such as pine nuts, peanuts, pistachios and almonds

Some candies, such as peppermints, licorice and mint-flavored gum and breath mints

 

Products that may contain aspirin or a salicylate compound:

 

Fragrances and perfumes

Shampoos and conditioners

Herbal remedies

Cosmetics such as lipsticks. Lotions and skin cleansers

Mouthwash and mint-flavored toothpaste

Shaving cream

Sunscreens or tanning lotions

Muscle pain creams

Sodium bicarbonate with aspirin (Alka Seltzer)

 

Ingredients to look for:

 

Aspirin

Acetylsalicylic acid

Artificial food coloring and flavoring

Benzoates

Beta-hydroxy acid

Magnesium salicylate

Menthol

Mint

Salicylate

Salicylic acid

Peppermint

Phenylethyl salicylate

Sodium salicylate

Spearmint

 

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I am a nurse who has thinks there is some merit to some natural remedies. In this case, I would not entertain the idea of going against a medical doctor's advice since TIA's can be a warning of a major stroke to come which can be lethal or life altering in a very bad way. Many people live on coumadin quite successfully and I believe it is tried and true as well as a life-saver. My dear aunt took coumadin for at least 20-30 years quite successfully and I think it helped her to lead a long live IMHO.

:grouphug:

 

PS I also believe that coumadin is a very safe drug as well. You could ask another medical doctor (specifically a neurologist) for a second opinion, but again I would not mess around with natural remedies in this case IMHO.

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One other thing to ask the medical doctor if your blood pressure is normal meaning under 120/80 unless your doctor thinks that another blood pressure is more suitable for you. High blood pressure can be a contributing factor to strokes. I would also ask if you are a candidate for lipitor, a cholesterol lowering drug that may be helpful depending upon your situation. Lastly, I would ask if you should have a hematologist see you to rule out any abnormal clotting diseases of the blood. IMHO I would definitely follow any medical advice given to you and make sure that all causative/contributing factors have been looked at and treated by a medical doctor and medical specialists.

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I will be consulting all of this with my Dr. I promise not to do anything without supervision, I understand the dangers of self medicating even when you go the natural route. I am just scared of coumadin, but glad to hear about the ones that have taken it successfully. My BP is low 95/65 at last visit, chol. within normal. Overall I am heathly person, could stand to lose 15 pounds, I quit smoking over a year ago and hardly ever drink; maybe once a year. I had never heard of a Salicylate sensitivity, I will be doing some research on that too now. My list is becoming long and comprehensive I think and the dr. and I will have much to discuss, I am still going to consult with a naturopath but will work with both not just the one. Thanks so much for all the information it helps to have others do the thinking for you when you can't think straight yourself, it's new and I will adjust but a lot to wrap my head around. :001_smile:

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