Almost 2 weeks - no weight loss

[HollyDay]

Okay, I 've done this radical change in eating like the doctor prescribed. I've given up all the "good stuff" like candy, cookies, high GI fruits. I've eaten raw veggies, fish, lean proteins, berries, etc. I've given up dairy - except for cheese in moderation. I do not drink anything that requires sweetening or contains sweetener.

 

I've not lost an ounce. No one. Granted It won't be 2 weeks until tomorrow, but still, I expected a pound, or maybe even 2, to be gone by now. Did I expect too much? I thought initial weight loss would be there due to losing fluid weight, then 1 lb a week would follow. So far, this is not the case.

 

I do feel better. I have more energy, fewer hot flashes, no night sweats. So, could someone encourage me not to eat those M&Ms in the cabinet?

[Jennifer in MI]

:grouphug:

 

I know how frustrating this is!!! I tried everything for a long time before I finally started losing the weight last month.

 

You said you feel better - that's a difference!! It is helping you! Are you going in for blood work any time soon? I bet you'll see a difference! Focus on the smaller changes. They may just not be showing on the scale yet. Are your clothes fitting looser? Measurements changing?

 

Now, go throw away the M&Ms!!! You can't eat them if they aren't in the house!

 

I finally started using Eat to Live a couple weeks ago and the weight has suddenly started coming off quickly. Inches are coming off too!! I pray you find something that works for you soon!!

[HollyDay]

Thanks Jennifer!

 

No, the clothes fit the same. In fact, I just put away last summer's shorts because they are still too tight and bought a few more bigger sizes this weekend. No inch changes either.

[tinag]

I have all the symptoms of thyroid problems but the tests come back fine. I have killed myself with exercise and diet with no change too! But I just started Master Your Metabolism by Jillian Michaels and finally lost two pounds in less than a week and I haven't been exercising! Go figure. In her book she says if you follow her plan you will lose weight because the diet gets your metabolism going.

You might look into it. I have only been on it for less than a week (and I have cheated some too!) but hopefully the results will conitnue. Last year I did the South Beach diet for two months. I followed their diet plan and exercised a lot and only lost 4 pounds! Of course my dh did the same thing and dropped 25!

I haven't been too hungry on this plan but felt a little weak yesterday. My dh says he thinks it is just my body getting use to the diet.

[adams101]

I have been doing workout DH bought me about a month ago. I have done at least 3 days a week, and gained 4 pounds. A few days ago, all of the sudden, the 4 pounds were gone, plus one more. I know I have a long way to go, but I have to do something. I am assuming it is muscle gain, but it was frustrating. I know it is doing something because I can feel it in my muscles. Just be patient. Remember, you are making a lifestyle change, not just on a diet. It will take time. :001_smile:

[Jumping In Puddles]

You might be consuming too many calories. When I eat healthy, I don't lose any weight unless I count the calories. It adds up so quickly and when I'm eating healthy, I feel like I am dieting but I won't lose weight (but I do feel better!).

[rafiki]

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[MariannNOVA]

Hang in there Holly! I have been stuck at the same weight for 10 days -- My goal is to lose 60 lbs and I have lost 28 lbs (in 6 weeks -- using an expensive med to re-set metabolism -- which DID work) but now I am taking a break from the med (and the $$$$ it cost) and with the cleanest eating habits you can imagine AND exercise, HERE I SIT! Are you drinking enough wate? The biggest change I made (in addition to ot stuffing food in my mouth all day long) was to stop drinking COKE ZERO, stop using SPLENDA (I use Stevia now), and to drink approx 2 LITERS (yes, that's right) throughout the day. One cannot drop lbs without drinking water.

 

Breathe deep, stay calm, try not to cheat, drink water, and smile :001_smile: -- the BEST thing I learned when I was taking the med (and on a 500 calorie a eating plan) was that I was putting food in my mouth to deal with every kind of stress that came my way. NOT being able to do that, made me easily able to identify that I was using food as a drug -- within the first three days of the VLCD (very low calorie diet), I saw just about each and every daily event that would prompt me to put something in my mouth. I am in control of that now -- which is part of losing weight -- learning OR re-learning better habits.

 

The other hint that my doctor told me is that if one is stuck, one can have an apple day (a day where you eat nothing but 6 apples and drink a ton of water) or have a day where you have a steak as big as you can eat for dinner, and then start again the next day. If your metabolism has significantly slowed, the steak is supposed to get things jump started.

 

As someone else here said, thyroid function is important (I take Armour Thyroid - a prescription - for Hashimoto's), and combinations of the food that you eat are important -- a protein and a starch, for example, is practically undigestible for some people -- me, for example -- I have some sort of 'globulin' deficiency when I digest (simple blood test detected it).

 

Hope this helps -- if you have any questions -- pm me. Good luck and hang in there -- Mariann

[Danestress]

I think people underestimate the fat they are eating in some foods. Boneless, skinless chicken breast has about a gram of fat per ounce, so a six ounce serving has six grams of fat (which really isn't too much, you NEED to eat some fat) but just make sure you are thinking about that. Cheese "in moderation" is almost always unnecessarily fattening. I've had to drop cheese altogether in order to lose some weight. The only cheese I've been eating is a little parmesan on my pasta. Some fishes also have more fat than you might realize.

 

Again, fat isn't all bad and you need some protein, but since you are frustrated by the weight loss (or lack thereof) you might want to join Sparkspeople and input everything you are eating to make sure that your calories or fat intake are not more than you realize.

[Jumping In Puddles]

I think people underestimate the fat they are eating in some foods. Boneless, skinless chicken breast has about a gram of fat per ounce, so a six ounce serving has six grams of fat (which really isn't too much, you NEED to eat some fat) but just make sure you are thinking about that. Cheese "in moderation" is almost always unnecessarily fattening. I've had to drop cheese altogether in order to lose some weight. The only cheese I've been eating is a little parmesan on my pasta. Some fishes also have more fat than you might realize.

 

Again, fat isn't all bad and you need some protein, but since you are frustrated by the weight loss (or lack thereof) you might want to join Sparkspeople and input everything you are eating to make sure that your calories or fat intake are not more than you realize.

 

:iagree: Another place for extra fat is on a salad. Unless you measure, you could be over estimating the amount of oil or salad dressing.

 

Another place where you may be having extra is in your carbs. For example, if you have 1/2 cup oats in the morning, 2 slices w.w. bread with lunch and then a cup of brown rice for dinner, then (even though they are all healthy) you are consuming too many carbs!

 

To jump start your weight loss, maybe have carbs with only one meal? So breakfast may be 1/4 cup yogurt with berries/bananas and a few walnuts, snack on fresh fruit/veggies, lunch could be a large salad with raw veggies and 1T olive oil and a splash of vinegar with salmon or chicken (about 3 oz).

Then for dinner, you could have a sweet potato, pasta or brown rice or whole wheat baguette etc. with your vegetable and a small piece of lean meat or fish.

 

Or if you eat oats for breakfast, then make sure you aren't consuming carbs with your other 2 meals.

 

I can't imagine you won't lose weight if you try that. :)

[TraceyS/FL]

I don't lose weight unless i stay under 30 carbs a day, anything more i stay where i'm at. It took me a few months to sort this level out.

 

I agree on making them check the thyroid again.

 

AND, the point of something like Atkins induction is to jump start your loss. That is why you go really low (20 carbs) for 2 weeks, then add in. You just might be like me and have a low carb count threshold.

 

:iagree: Another place for extra fat is on a salad. Unless you measure, you could be over estimating the amount of oil or salad dressing.

 

Another place where you may be having extra is in your carbs. For example, if you have 1/2 cup oats in the morning, 2 slices w.w. bread with lunch and then a cup of brown rice for dinner, then (even though they are all healthy) you are consuming too many carbs!

 

To jump start your weight loss, maybe have carbs with only one meal? So breakfast may be 1/4 cup yogurt with berries/bananas and a few walnuts, snack on fresh fruit/veggies, lunch could be a large salad with raw veggies and 1T olive oil and a splash of vinegar with salmon or chicken (about 3 oz).

Then for dinner, you could have a sweet potato, pasta or brown rice or whole wheat baguette etc. with your vegetable and a small piece of lean meat or fish.

 

Or if you eat oats for breakfast, then make sure you aren't consuming carbs with your other 2 meals.

 

I can't imagine you won't lose weight if you try that. :)

 

By carbs you are referring to breads and stuff right? Because the veggies are carbs too, good carbs, but still carbs. I'da been over and not losing at all if i ate what you suggested! LOL!! Veggies and meat, with some yummy fat thrown in is all i could eat and still lose.

[Danestress]

and I post this only to say that you may need to work hard to find what works for you.

 

I've always thought that high protein, low carbs was the best way to keep weight in check and have a lot of energy. Around 40, I just felt like my weight was creeping up constantly. The thing that has worked FOR ME (and I really think people are different) is tons of fruits and vegetables, whole grains (brown rice, cous cous, whole wheat bread, oatmeal) and legume based proteins. When I cut the cheese and meat and milk, it's like my body just celebrated. It's weird. My husband did the same, has lost 10 pounds without really trying and his BP went down and he got off his BP meds, which is awesome.

Edited July 8, 2009 by Danestress

[TraceyS/FL]

I totally agree - everyone is WAYYYYY different!

 

It's for sure a big trial and error to figure it out too. ONe factor i have with carbs is that i'm borderline hypoglycemic, as is my father and the kids are showing the same tendencies. It makes sense to me that my carb threshold is low since my reaction to them is wacky (i have to eat cake with buttercream frosting to even HIT 100 on the meter).

 

Holly - stick with it and work to find out what works best for your body. You will be rewarded! :grouphug:

[HollyDay]

Keep the suggestions coming ladies!!

 

Last check, my thyroid was "within normal range". We will recheck it eventually.

 

I also wonder if I as I approach 50, this is just a "normal" thing. Does it take longer to lose weight at this age? I really do not want to cut my calorie load under 1000 cal. I feel so awful with less than that.

 

Again, I need the encouragement, keep it up!!

[MariannNOVA]

Holly: Yes (unfortunately) it is an 'age' thing as well. I will be 55 in August and I noticed the difficulty in maintaining my weight until about 9 years ago. I have NEVER had to diet or watch what I eat or anything, but after the twins were born (they will be nine), it was a whole different story.

Building lean muscle mass is key too in maintaining or losing. For me, I must, at all costs, avoid sugars and starches -- and I must exercise religiously - which I did in my younger days, stopped during my pregnancies, and didn't have time or energy to do after the twins were born. I have now begun using the elliptical and building up my running stamina -- the endorphins help no matter what the scale says. Remember, it is different for everyone! It may take some tweaking to find what works for you.

My doc also told me that some things that we tend to think of as good for us, are not, i.e., salmon is a no-no when trying to lose weight as it is a very fatty fish. I have also switched to 'hormone-free, antibiotic-free' beef, chicken, turkey -- my family loves the taste. I eat tons of lettuce with Walden Farms dressings (refrigerated section of produce dept), and I limit myself to 4oz of meat, 4 oz of lettuce at two meals a day when I am on the VLCD.

I must consciously make an effort to drink ALL the water I am supposed to, but I am doing it, and it is key.

Hope this helps -- hang in there!

[MIch elle]

It may be several things:

 

1. You're already close to your normal weight

2. Not exercising along with change in eating

3. Potions too large

4. Insulin resistance

 

I suggest reading The Low GI Diet. I like to follow the South Beach Diet which is similar to the low gi diet.

[Jumping In Puddles]

By carbs you are referring to breads and stuff right? Because the veggies are carbs too, good carbs, but still carbs. I'da been over and not losing at all if i ate what you suggested! LOL!! Veggies and meat, with some yummy fat thrown in is all i could eat and still lose.

 

No, I don't mean veggies! As a matter of fact, you should eat as many raw vegetables as you can! A huge salad with cucumber, beets, tomato, carrots, etc. would be a wonderful lunch!

 

You are thinking of the GI, but the thinking is now about glycemic load and not the GI of foods. Vegetables and almost all fruit has a low GL.

 

By carbs, I mean grains, pasta, potatoes, rice etc.

 

If you eat fruit and vegetables, a little carbs (one serving a day would be perhaps 1/2 cup brown rice, 2 slices whole wheat bread, 1/2 cup oatmeal, 1/2 cup pasta. It is not much and you should only have one of those a day.

 

If you really, really want to kick start your weight loss:

 

then eat a ton of veggies (preferably raw but cooked is fine... only limit is very starchy veg like cooked carrots, sweet potato, corn) and green leafy veg is the best.

 

Measure that tablespoon of dressing or oil - weigh or measure walnuts and almonds instead of guessing!)

 

Eat SMALL portions of lean meat or preferably fish (3oz portion)

 

watch grains, only have one portion per day.

 

Drink a lot of water

 

One thing that you can have that kind of takes the place of non-veggie carbs at lunch and dinner is BEANS! Beans are wonderful for you and great for dieters.

 

Don't worry that if you eat too many vegetables or fruit. The fruit and veg are not keeping the weight on and they are full of nutrients and low in fat.

 

I would watch red meat, grains, and fat. You need some fat, so make it good fat! Some nuts, avocados, olive oil all provide good fat but don't go crazy with it because it is full of calories. :)

 

EDIT TO ADD: I think it is obvious by now that different things work for different people :) What I describe above is what I took away from Eat to Live. I have never in my life lost so much weight as on that diet. WW, Atkins, South Beach, they all PALE IN COMPARISON! After my first six weeks, I added a little fat, salmon or other cold water fish 3-4 times a week, I do use some salt, and a few other tweaks but it has been AMAZING! I still don't do dairy, red meat or pork. I have a little chicken occasionally - usually with chicken soup. But eating mostly fruit and veg and having beans a lot, and just a few grains have made all the difference in the world when nothing else would.

Edited July 8, 2009 by Jumping In Puddles

[Georgiana Daniels]

I feel your pain! I've been vigorously exercising for a month and haven't lost an ounce, so I can identify with your frustration.

 

Have you tried adding in more exercise? Even just parking farther away and stuff like that. With your self-discipline in your diet, I think a bit more movement might help:)

[Danestress]

Keep the suggestions coming ladies!!

 

Last check, my thyroid was "within normal range". We will recheck it eventually.

 

I also wonder if I as I approach 50, this is just a "normal" thing. Does it take longer to lose weight at this age? I really do not want to cut my calorie load under 1000 cal. I feel so awful with less than that.

 

Again, I need the encouragement, keep it up!!

 

Uh, Yeah. I hate to tell you this, but everyone seems to agree that it gets harder for women to loose weight as the age:(

 

As for calories under 1000. I would never recommend that. I would recommend eating a LOT of low calorie, high fiber foods, though. Berries, apples, vegetables of all types.

[MariannNOVA]

This may be true just for me, but it's something to think about:

 

my doc said that (and I know this to be true from discussions with others) that bananas and carrots are a NO because of their high sugar content. I must stay away from those two yummies!:001_huh:

[Jumping In Puddles]

This may be true just for me, but it's something to think about:

 

my doc said that (and I know this to be true from discussions with others) that bananas and carrots are a NO because of their high sugar content. I must stay away from those two yummies!:001_huh:

 

I stay away from cooked carrots but I believe raw carrots are not too bad. I am not diabetic so this probably wouldn't work for a diabetic but I eat a half banana almost every day and I lose weight. Even grapes, I will have a few to snack on without worry.

 

I don't think it is true just for you, though! People can handle sugar differently and I seem to be able to handle fruit very well but not grain carbs! I guess some people will have to stay away from sugary fruits but can eat brown rice with no problem!

[Danestress]

I'm sure that really WAS hard on a body. I had my twins at 30 and even that was sort of hard. I can't imagine having a set of twins now!

 

I'm impressed!

[MariannNOVA]

GULP !:w00t: yes, I had madison at 45 and the twins at 46 and my oldest in 1979, and second oldest in 1980.....okay, I have to go back to sleep now!

 

Seriously, the pregnancy with madison was a breeze --I had thyroid problems post-partum, but walked off 40 pounds in 40 months. When she was 11 months old, I became pg with the twins -- easy pg for the first 20 weeks, not so easy for the final 16 weeks BUT two great healthy weight (gosh, is my life CONSUMED with weight?!) :scared: - Michael was 6'7" and Eden was 5'9". The toll it took on my energy is what was most difficult to deal with...and in many ways, still is...although I run circles around most women my age:willy_nilly:.

I am learning what I 'can' and 'cannot' eat literally as I go along - and I think alot of it is linked to age AND then to one's metabolism and individual make up. Believe it or not, RAW veggies make me gain weight -- I must be the ONLY person on the planet who can say that, but it is true.

I have learned (the past 6 weeks) to turn off (and it is a very conscious thing) that SWITCH in my head that says: GO PUT FOOD IN YOUR MOUTH! My control was always (as far back as I can remember) found in my ability to exercise and eat only what I needed to eat. I am getting back that control -- and for me, that's where I am most content. I am curious to see what my maintenance is when I have finally reached my goal weight (128 lbs) which is what I was b4 starting on the hormone shots to become pg with the twins. It is, however, a very concrete endeavor -- there is a scale, there are numbers, there are my clothes, there are numbers on them (I've dropped two sizes), and I've lost inches - which is important to remember b/c inches don't translate into pounds.

So - the pregnancy part was comparatively easy -- it was the delivery of the twins and the aftermath (which persists) which has been harrowing. For me, though, the answers are found in the control and in reminding myself almost every minute of every day that His grace is sufficient for me today. I hope I haven't sounded preachy -- that was not my intent -- it is curious to me that it has taken me 9 years to flesh this out, isolate the issues, and make some sense of it. So for that, thank you for your question -- it has been helpful for me to respomnd thoughtfully.:seeya: G-d bless -- Have a great day! I have to get on the elliptical! :glare:

[MariannNOVA]

OOPS -- FOUR months -- walked off 40 pounds in 4 months. :tongue_smilie:

[HollyDay]

All great ideas!

 

Yes, I do have insulin resistance. And ovarian cysts. And perimenopause. Lots of metabolic things going on. But, all these ideas are wonderful!

 

I do exercise at least 45 min. everyday. Today was a bike ride and a swim. Yesterday was a 3 mile power walk. Like the other poster said, the endorphins are great even if the weight loss isn't.

[tinag]

You really shoud read Master Your Metabolism. According to her book she can help with all the things you mentioned- insulin resistance, etc. She tells you what to eat when to eat and how these things will regulate your hormones, and help with insulin resistance and losing the weight that just won't come off.

[Orthodox6]

I haven't read the thread through, which probably makes "no-no" for me even to post.

 

Before you began the change in nutrition, did you undergo a complete physical check -- cholesterol, triglycerides, thyroid functioning, etc. Thyroid imbalance could, all by itself, be sabotaging your efforts.

[Debbie in OR]

Weights....have you tried to add in weights? I am perimenopausal as well, and well, it's just really.really.really. hard to get the weight off. You have to work twice as hard, but it can be done! You just have to be efficient.

 

I run regularly (usually about 18 miles/week) but have not been able to get off the last 10 pounds of post-pregnancy weight (I had my dc at 35 and 37. I am now almost 46). Finally read Body for Life for Women, written by a female doc who is perimenopausal. It explained so many things about this "special" time in our lives :glare:. Just running (or walking) may help with maintenance but won't take off the weight. Since adding in weights, I'm down 2 pounds. I knew about weights but understanding it in light of perimenopause somehow made it click...I dunno. :001_huh:

 

It would be worth checking out if you haven't already tried it :001_smile:

[Rose in BC]

Weights....have you tried to add in weights? I am perimenopausal as well, and well, it's just really.really.really. hard to get the weight off. You have to work twice as hard, but it can be done! You just have to be efficient.

 

I run regularly (usually about 18 miles/week) but have not been able to get off the last 10 pounds of post-pregnancy weight (I had my dc at 35 and 37. I am now almost 46). Finally read Body for Life for Women, written by a female doc who is perimenopausal. It explained so many things about this "special" time in our lives :glare:. Just running (or walking) may help with maintenance but won't take off the weight. Since adding in weights, I'm down 2 pounds. I knew about weights but understanding it in light of perimenopause somehow made it click...I dunno. :001_huh:

 

It would be worth checking out if you haven't already tried it :001_smile:

 

I also run regularly but this past half a year or so have been unable to make that darn needle on the scale move. I have always known that weight training is important but did not relish the idea of actually doing it. Well a month ago I decided enough was enough and began a weight program 3 times a week. This morning my scale showed a drop. Hopefully I've broken the plateau.

 

Anyway, I use the weight program outlined in The Abs Diet for Women.

[Frontier Mom]

:grouphug:

 

I know how frustrating this is!!! I tried everything for a long time before I finally started losing the weight last month.

 

You said you feel better - that's a difference!! It is helping you! Are you going in for blood work any time soon? I bet you'll see a difference! Focus on the smaller changes. They may just not be showing on the scale yet. Are your clothes fitting looser? Measurements changing?

 

Now, go throw away the M&Ms!!! You can't eat them if they aren't in the house!

 

I finally started using Eat to Live a couple weeks ago and the weight has suddenly started coming off quickly. Inches are coming off too!! I pray you find something that works for you soon!!

 

I started this last week as well and down about 6 pounds already. This combination is really working for me. However, I am sure some of the initial is water weight because I'm never too far from a potty:w00t:

 

I do feel better already, lighter, healthier, etc. I did use suggestions here and bought canned beans and bean soups that I heat up when in a bind. However, so far it's been easier to stick with than I thought.

[Debbie in OR]

I also run regularly but this past half a year or so have been unable to make that darn needle on the scale move.

 

Ha! Two years of a non-moving needle! I got rid of one scale because I was sure it wasn't working. Bought one of those doctor's caliber scales and THE SAME THING HAPPENED. I finally asked my dh to start weighing himself because I was sure we had two broken scales since that needle never.ever.moved. :lol:

[Rose in BC]

Ha! Two years of a non-moving needle! I got rid of one scale because I was sure it wasn't working. Bought one of those doctor's caliber scales and THE SAME THING HAPPENED. I finally asked my dh to start weighing himself because I was sure we had two broken scales since that needle never.ever.moved. :lol:

 

I decided something had to be wrong with the scale after all I was working out and eating healthy. I made my dh weigh himself. The first day he stepped on the scale he jumped off and said he had to loose a few pounds. Two days later (okay maybe that's a slight exaggeration) he dropped ten pounds. Boy was I furious! :001_smile: It always seems to work that way. It takes me forever to drop a few pounds . . .he decides to loose weight and it drops off overnight! lol!

[Debbie in OR]

It takes me forever to drop a few pounds . . .he decides to loose weight and it drops off overnight! lol!

 

 

What is up with THAT?!? (Are we related??:lol:)

[MOM24WONDERS]

I have lost 23 lbs and dh has lost 41 in the past 25 days! We cut out all refined sugars, all bread, took our carbs WAAAY down, eat tons of raw veggies, grilled foods, nothing fried or fatty. We drink mostly water (occassionally we'll have a Sprite zero or a sugar-free Hawaiin Punch - so good!).

 

Water is the KEY. I talked to the doctor yesterday about our diet and he says it's healthy and seems to be working great. I am never hungry and always feel like I've had enough. In fact, I can't eat nearly what I used to be able to.

 

You might try some of the things that we've done. Here's hoping that you have some success!

[Guest lahmeh]

Start smoking you'll lose it. JUST KIDDING of course! :D

[Gretchen in NJ]

Okay, I 've done this radical change in eating like the doctor prescribed. I've given up all the "good stuff" like candy, cookies, high GI fruits. I've eaten raw veggies, fish, lean proteins, berries, etc. I've given up dairy - except for cheese in moderation. I do not drink anything that requires sweetening or contains sweetener.

 

I've not lost an ounce. No one. Granted It won't be 2 weeks until tomorrow, but still, I expected a pound, or maybe even 2, to be gone by now. Did I expect too much? I thought initial weight loss would be there due to losing fluid weight, then 1 lb a week would follow. So far, this is not the case.

 

I do feel better. I have more energy, fewer hot flashes, no night sweats. So, could someone encourage me not to eat those M&Ms in the cabinet?

 

Instead of the M&Ms, you would do much better to add dairy back into your diet IMHO. There was a study done not too long ago the sighted dairy as an aid to help in weight loss. The study recommended 3 servings a day.

 

I would also recommend some dark chocolate to help with the M&M cravings. I like to have a small bag of bitter sweet chocolate chips around. I usually eat a few chips every so often after I have cleaned up the dinner dishes.

 

I was just speaking to our vet/raw milk farmer.:001_huh: I know he is a vet, but he is very knowledgable about nutrition for humans as well as animals. He feels that it is almost impossible for humans to get the nutrition they need from food today. He is a believer in supplements and feels you cannot lose wait without the proper nutrition.

 

I am a believer in exercise. How much are you exercising everyday?

[Gretchen in NJ]

My best friend shows up fine on thyroid tests too but has all of the symptoms. She finally found a natropath that would treat her based on symptoms instead of the test and she is much, much better.

 

Some doctors (I'm not sure of the correct terminology here) do not test all of the T's. For instance, all of mine were in the normal range except for T16. Not all doctors test T16. What ever T16 means.:glare: My T16 was normal, but was very close to not being normal. Maybe your friend was living on the edge like me.:001_huh:;):D