Is Kingfisher History Encyclopedia still okay for a logic stage text?

[Mommy7]

In the new WTM, on pg. 109 it says to use it in the logic stage, but then it is not mentioned on pg. 273, where the other logic stage texts are listed.

 

We'll be doing MFW RTR. But, for the notebooking part, I want to do the WTM method. I already own the Kingfisher book. :D I'd rather not have to buy anything else, if I can avoid it.

 

Was Kingfisher listed in the older edition of WTM? I've never read that one.

[Amy in CO]

Kingfisher was listed as the spine to use in the previous editions. Since it is out of print, SWB included other books as options. But if you already have Kingfisher, you can still use it.

[swimmermom3]

Good question! I had to pull out my new TWTM and check this out. I have only read the logic stage recommendations. You are absolutely right. The Kingfisher History Encyclopedia is the recommendation for the logic stage on pg. 109 and it's not even mentioned on pg. 273 for logic stage resources. IMHO, I'd go with the Kingfisher recommendation. The Usborne Internet - Linked Encyclopedia of World History is already almost in an outline form. I'm not sure how much outlining practice your dc would get from it.

 

Thanks for pointing this out. :001_smile:

[Orthodox6]

I remember other threads which delved into this question.

 

I shall use the older Kingfisher volume (the "white book") for dd's grade 5 work. (We own the "red book", as well.) I compared the text for each Kingfisher volume, and decided that the older version features better "narrative" text to use for the stated purpose of learning to outline. Doesn't mean that the newer version won't suit, just means that my dd will be new to this particular skill, and I want a text which will aid her in learning to outline.

[JudoMom]

Here's a link to the thread where SWB asked for recommendations when Kingfisher suddenly let the History Encyclopedia go OOP. There wasn't much time to find a replacement, so I've assumed the sudden switch to be the reason for the discrepancy.

[2_girls_mommy]

I had noticed the exact same thing in the book where it was mentioned one place and not the other. I just ordered ours a few months ago (the red one) before I bought the new WTM, with the intention of using it for memorization lists now and having it for logic stage later. I am sure we will stick to that plan, even though I have read since I ordered it that the white version was better.

[swimmermom3]

I had noticed the exact same thing in the book where it was mentioned one place and not the other. I just ordered ours a few months ago (the red one) before I bought the new WTM, with the intention of using it for memorization lists now and having it for logic stage later. I am sure we will stick to that plan, even though I have read since I ordered it that the white version was better.

 

 

You may want to read this thread.

[VBCaroline]

I have the red KF, and I recently purchases the Usborne Internet-linked and the DK history recommended in the new WTM. I prefer the KF and will use it as our spine. However, SWB recommends outlining from another source, not the encyclopedias.

Caroline

[LunaLee]

Also, Kingfisher is not OOP. There was some question at one time, and the publisher sold it to another so now it's published by MacMillan or Hartcourt or one of those.

[swimmermom3]

I have the red KF, and I recently purchases the Usborne Internet-linked and the DK history recommended in the new WTM. I prefer the KF and will use it as our spine. However, SWB recommends outlining from another source, not the encyclopedias.

Caroline

 

Caroline, thanks for this clarification. This information sheds a much happier light on my outlining plans for the year. The fact that the encyclopedias are listed under the outlining section on pp. 272-273 (new ed.) is confusing. I did find the directions for having the student choose a page of text from their most interesting history resource of the week on pg. 283. I had even highlighted it:tongue_smilie: Perhaps I need to slow down and read the directions-something I tell my kids to do all the time:D

[Colleen in NS]

In the new WTM, on pg. 109 it says to use it in the logic stage, but then it is not mentioned on pg. 273, where the other logic stage texts are listed.

 

We'll be doing MFW RTR. But, for the notebooking part, I want to do the WTM method. I already own the Kingfisher book. :D I'd rather not have to buy anything else, if I can avoid it.

 

Was Kingfisher listed in the older edition of WTM? I've never read that one.

 

Here's a link to the thread where SWB asked for recommendations when Kingfisher suddenly let the History Encyclopedia go OOP. There wasn't much time to find a replacement, so I've assumed the sudden switch to be the reason for the discrepancy.

 

I noticed that, too, and assumed that the reference to KF was forgotten about when SWB changed the recommendations at the last minute.

 

You can still use the KF book, though. Just use it for the memory lists, the dates for the timeline, and for making a list of facts (that idea is new in the new WTM, and I like it!). Then just use other books (library, encyclopedias, etc.) for outlining practice.

 

I think the idea is to have some kind of spine to work from for facts, dates, and memory work, then supplement it with other books to read and outline.