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  1. Time Left: 4 days and 22 hours

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    If you have an aspiring writer, this is a wonderful resource to learn how to write fantasy and sci fi stories. Daniel and is fun and creative. My kids loved it!! We bought two and only used one. This set is brand new. Price does not include shipping.

    $50

    Orlando, Florida - US

  2. I am seeking ELA curriculum that is based in strong, classic literature. Bonus if it has writing instruction, not just assignments. We are looking at Lightning Lit 7. As posted by @blue plaid in an older comment, some have been disappointed with Lightning Lit 7 for various reasons & have swapped to a stronger curriculum. We are new to homeschooling but plan to continue as we have loved it! That being said, we need some helpful feedback on curriculum choices. Can you please offer some guidance by comparing Lightning Lit to other curriculums? Strengths / Weaknesses? Preferences & why?
  3. It has been summer holidays here, so I have been reading, reading, reading about writing. I have read 3 of the 4 recommendations from SWB for rhetoric: Corbett's Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student (re-read this one, and really studied it) DeAngelo's Composition in the Classical Tradition (yes, the examples are as bad as she says) They Say, I Say: Moves that Matter in Academic Writing I have also read Webster's Student Writing Handbook Lively Art of Writing And I have read the following curriculum (some I actually read like LtoW, CW and WWS; others I really just skimmed to understand what they were doing like Killgallon and WWE): Killgallon Sentence Composing (middle and high school levels) Lost Tools of Writing (LtoW, levels 1 and 2) Classical Composition's Fable Classical Writing's (CW) Homer, Maxim, and Chreia, (and soon Herodotus as it just arrived today) MCT's Island, Town and Voyage levels Writing with Skill (WWS) Writing with Ease (WWE levels 1,2,3) IEW's Structure and Style (luckily got these DVDs from the Homeschool library). Yes, as you can see, I have also spent a lot of money. But I see things so clearly now and I wanted to share my understanding. I hope this helps someone..... I also don't mind answering questions. I have found that Corbett is the best overview of the scope of writing, and would recommend it as a must read for anyone interested in teaching writing to her children up through high school. Corbett sorts classical writing into the 3 canons: Invention, Arrangement, and Elocution, and I have found that organization perfect to sort the different curriculum into. Invention: by far the best curriculum I have read to improve a student's invention is Lost Tools of Writing. It uses the exact same list of Common Topics found in Corbett. However, when I read Corbett, I just could not understand how to get from the list of topics to putting them into an essay. And in WWS and CW I was spoon fed too much, so I could not really see the forest through the trees and implement it on my own. LtoW teaches the student how to ask questions based on the Common Topics and then how to arrange them into an argument. Also, LtoW and CW are the only curriculum that give any attention to the Special Topics associated with judicial, deliberative, and ceremonial discourse. The Lively Art of Writing has 2 excellent chapters on how to create a thesis statement. WWS (as planned for grades 5-8) studies half of the Common Topics listed in Corbett, I assume she will cover the rest in her high school curriculum WWStyle. Arrangement: Different curriculum attacked this in different ways. IEW does the best job in teaching kids the traditional paragraph structure, story structure, 5 paragraph essay. But also does this is a very formulaic manner. I have not seen IEW's more advanced materials. LtoW is also formulaic, but at the essay level. They Say/ I Say is unique in its discussion of arrangement. It focuses on the persuasive essay at the highest level and how to incorporate your ideas into the ongoing Great Discussion of books, essays, and ideas. This is the kind of arrangement I needed to write my dissertation. WWS's discussion of arrangement is not based on an standard outline, but rather on imitation of great writers – imitating how they describe and narrate historical and scientific topics (for level 1, haven't obviously seen the other levels) Elocution: Killgallon and Classical Writing tie IMHO for the best instruction on style of the sentences. They both have you play with sentences, change them around, evaluate how the new sentence augments certain aspects of an idea. LtoW teaches some extremely advanced stylistic features that are covered in Corbett. However, it does not spend enough time on each of these features for the student to actually be able to use them effectively. IEW teaches more formulaic style including a certain number of features for each paragraph, but it does not actually teach you HOW to change a sentence around. WWS so far has a fairly limited approach to style. Critical Reading: Both WWS and CW require students to analyze classic writers to help them understand what makes writing effective. CW does this somewhat better than WWS. MCT has you read classic essays but does not spend much time guiding the student through them. Classical Curriculum using the Progymnasmata. Corbett does not discuss this at all and has a somewhat condescending attitude towards it. The progym is a series of exercises that teaches you how to create different paragraphs and discuss different set topics, It uses Corbett's rhetorical ideas in a restricted and controlled manner. DeAngelo explains the purpose of all of the exercises very well, but his writing examples are as bad as SWB said. I actually could not finish the book, and the examples tarnished my feeling towards the progym. Classical Composition is a progym course which you would finish by 8th grade and then move to rhetorical writing. CW is more than just progym. It stretches the progym out to cover up to 12th grade (although the additional books are not out yet). By stretching out the progym exercies, it mutates some of them to make them truly rhetoric, meaning persuasive essays. The initial idea of the progym is that it happened before rhetoric – a student learned how to write and think using the exercises and then used this understanding to construct persuasive arguments. CW merges the two at the higher levels. Classical Curriculum not using the progym: LtoW follows Corbett's text but does not use the progym exercises. It is an early Rhetoric curriculum that teaches persuasive writing. WWS also follows Corbett's text but does not use the progym exercises. However, in contrast to LtoW, WWS does not teach students about persuasive writing. Instead, it teaches each of the Common Topics (well, half of the Topics) that will be used later to construct a complete argument in a rhetorical composition. Classical vs Modern writing: I have seen some discussion of this, and was confused for a while. But all this reading has cleared it up. In Ancient times there was a lot of time spent on ceremonial and judicial speech, to praise the fallen and to defend oneself (you acted as your own lawyer). These types of writing are not really done now, more of an ancient style. Also, many of the progym exercises use essay starters (like maxims etc) that are not commonly found today. WWS definitely uses more modern styles of writing than CW for example. What I will be using: For 5th through 8th, we will use WWS with Killgallon to shore up the lack of style in WWS. I like the modern writing style in WWS. 9th and 10th LtoW, I may even compact levels 1 and 2 into 1 year. This is early rhetoric. 11th -12th : Rhetoric. We will be writing across the curriculum without a curriculum. For an overview of rhetoric, Ds will read Corbett both years; for critical reading, we will apply Corbett to essays; for arrangement, we will use They Say/ I Say; and for style we will continue with Killgallon. I like CW, I really do, but I am concerned about the focus on non-modern writing styles. I think I will be creating my own CW by using the above books. I disagree with SWB about how difficult Corbett was to read. If you skip the part on logic, the rest of the text is straight forward and relatively easy to read. I found his examples and very lengthy discussion of them to be excellent, just excellent. And after studying all the topics, I think that I could now guide my son to analyze other's essay writing (like MLK or Rachel Carson) using my knowledge of the topics. Very very useful text, and I will definitely have my son read it twice in both 11th and 12th grades. Well, that is about it!! Hope you enjoyed it!:001_smile: Ruth in NZ
  4. Time Left: 8 days and 4 hours

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    Classical Academic Press - Writing & Rhetoric Book 1 Fable - Student, Brand new, never used. Ship Media Mail. Shipping fee $5.00.

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  5. (cross posted on the General Ed Board) Hi everyone, I have reformatted the Lively Art of Writing workbook and teacher key that Still Waters and mjbucks1 so generously worked on a while ago. I did this so that my son will have more white/ writing space when he eventually uses the resource. I am posting the links here, with the original compilers' permission. If you are not familiar with the Lively Art of Writing, here's the Amazon link. You should be able to access other discussions on LAOW by searching through the archives or clicking on the "also-tagged" discussions below. I hope this is useful to someone! The files are pdf downloads: Lively Art of Writing formatted workbook (google doc link) Lively Art of Writing formatted teacher guide (google doc link) They may also be accessed through the Lively Art of Writing yahoo group's Files area. Once you have joined the yahoo group, go to the Links to Formatted word document. The links are embedded there. Please note: I have proofread the files but may have missed something. If you notice any errors, please PM me and I will be happy to fix them when I have the time. I have included a suggested schedule in the teacher guide based on a 190-day school year (because we school year-round and take longer than the usual 180 days). Please feel free to ignore it or tweak to your heart's content. PLEASE READ: You may access these files much more easily if you use a Google linked account. I have been receiving requests to share the files but I am unable to do so when someone sends me a request through a non-Google-account-linked email address. Thanks for your understanding!
  6. I need help with W&R placement. My 10 year old natural writer just finished IEW's All Things Fun & Fascinating through our Coop. It was not our favorite. It was pretty easy for her, but dreadful. Before we did IEW, we went through W&R book 1 Fable. We absolutely LOVED it and I would like to continue on with it. I have been looking through books 2 - 4, and having a difficult time deciding where to place her! We did so many narratives in IEW I am thinking book 2 would be more of the same. I want her to be challenged but still enjoy it. Book 3 appeals more to us. Book 4 seems like it might be just rt. skill wise but the content just doesn't appeal to me as much. I also keep reading that book 4 is difficult, so I am unsure where to jump back in. Has anybody else been in a similar situation after IEW and have any Thoughts?? Thank you!!
  7. Would any of you be willing to help out my friend? She's a veteran homeschooler and former classroom teacher, and she's in the process of producing the writing program she's been using for nearly 30 years. It's called Write by Number, and she's looking for a few more beta testers to help her with fine-tuning it before going to press this fall. She welcomes all grades and schooling situations (independent homeschool, co-op, charter, brick-and-mortar), but she'd particularly like older students to try out the upper levels of the program. You can get more details at writebynumber.com. Beta testers get 20% off their first purchase of the finished product. If you're interested, shoot her an e-mail at teachsimplesteps@gmail.com and put "Beta tester" in the subject line. Thanks, Hive!
  8. My DS is 4 and will be attending K in the fall. He is currently reading Magic Tree House books and working through Building Thinking Skills Grade 2/3. However, he can’t write legibly at all. He gets frustrated trying to write letters and numbers. He doesn’t like drawing, either. What should I do?
  9. Has anyone used Royal Fireworks Press? My DD has taken a creative writing class and tutoring from the company, and we have been extremely impressed. Has anyone put a child into one of their online English Language programs? I have used their home curriculum for the past two years, but my DD has not taken the online curriculum. Any advice? Thank you!
  10. I have a question about the The Advanced Essay class at Lantern. Would it be comparable to a Literary Analysis class, like Write at Home's, for example? It seems like it, but I just wanted to get some others opinions. https://www.lanternenglish.com/theadvancedwriter Thanks
  11. Time Left: 12 days and 7 hours

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    I have 2 of these that I am selling in 2 separate posts. This copy is clean, but has some shelf wear to the cover and edges of pages, and the back cover is warped from where it got wet. Non-smoking, pet-free home. Media mail shipping included.

    $13

  12. Time Left: 12 days and 7 hours

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    I inadvertently ended up with 2 of these, but used neither. (I'm selling the other in a separate post.) This copy is like new. Non-smoking, pet-free home. Media mail shipping included.

    $15

  13. Time Left: 12 days and 7 hours

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    Very good condition. Clean copy, with just some shelf wear. Non-smoking, pet-free home. Media mail shipping included.

    $10

  14. I'm super interested in the Bravewriter online courses, and I'm wondering, from those of you who have experience with the program, is it worth the cost to take the Writer's Jungle course online before starting a 9th grade course? I'm specifically interested in the courses for my current 13 year old, soon to be 9th grader, although I would also be interested in learning about the process for my younger two, as well. Would my 8th grader think that the Writer's Jungle is "babyish?" Writing is probably what she hates most about school. She doesn't have any experience with courses online, so I was wondering if the Writer's Jungle (before 9th grade) would be suitable as an intro. to an online writing course and also worth the hefty price-tag? Kind of something she could try before it "counts" for high school.
  15. I'm looking into options for what to do after WWE3 for my dd's 5th grade school year. Please share what you did or used! Thanks!
  16. Anyone planning on participating in, or having their kids participate in, National Novel Writing Month for November?? My DS is in Kindy, so this will be his first time participating. We obviously won't be aiming for anything near 1,000 words, but it will hopefully be a great experience! It would be fun to share experiences, progress, & (eventually) stories!
  17. My oldest daughter is currently using WWS2 and my youngest daughter uses WWS1; it's going great. I love SWB's style and really get it. My middle child, a son, is dyslexic and we did not even get through all of the WWE books. He could barely write a sentence when we started IEW. He can now summarize a paragraph. My problem is I really, really don't like IEW! I can't deny that it's working for him, perhaps not in the way I'd like, but at least he's writing something (and we're both not crying about it)! So the question: does IEW ever teach a true outline form. When he teaches them to outline it's just numbered like so: 1. 2. 3. etc. Does IEW continue on like this forever or will it change as we progress? Do we ever learn how to outline with main and supporting points? If so, when? Which level? I need some hope that this curriculum gets better! Rachel
  18. I'm trying to decide whether to do one lesson weekly or double up. The material says it can be done either way, but I'd love to hear your experiences and thoughts on doing it in 15 vs. 30 weeks, what you based the decision on and whether it worked out for your kiddos.
  19. My eighth grade daughter is one month into EIL year one. The first module is short stories, and so far it is has been good. However, this week she is supposed to write her first essay, a comparison/contrast literary analysis of two of the stories. This has really thrown her for a loop. She has done a fair amount of writing, though it has all been narration, summary, etc.--nothing critical or analytical. I feel like I need to provide her with some scaffolding for this leap. I have always avoided IEW writing curricula due to my own personal prejudice against it, but now I'm beginning to wonder if I missed to boat for this particular child. She balks at writing and loves math, so I think the IEW formula might appeal to her. I am considering jumping in with The Elegant Essay to help her move into essay writing. However, I am open to suggestion and would love to hear from anyone who has successfully navigated these late middle/early high school waters. (I'm cross-posting to the K-8 board.)
  20. 2017-18 Well-Trained Mind Academy registration will end on Friday, September 15th. This is your last chance to enroll your student in fall and full-year courses. Register now! View all course descriptions by clicking here! Register by clicking here! All class times are listed in EST.
  21. 2017-18 Well-Trained Mind Academy registration will end on Friday, September 15th. This is your last chance to enroll your student in fall and full-year courses. Register now! View all course descriptions by clicking here! Register by clicking here! All class times are listed in EST.
  22. My child is in fourth grade this year. Up to this point we have used Writing With Ease, after first grade it was a struggle and lessons usually ended in extreme frustration-there was a struggle with remembering dictation. We switched to Memoria Press' Intro to Composition this year and he's already doing better. My question is should I use it for a year then try Writing With Skill for fifth grade? Or stick to Memoria Press and try to accelerate to have him in the correct level by fifth grade? (Intro is technically third grade level). Anyone else have experience with this?
  23. Hi All, We are fairly new to homeschooling and wanted to know if someone can tell me the difference between the IEW writing program and the Analytical Grammar Beyond the book report program. We have finished the Analytical Grammar Jr books (both) and are now starting the Analytical Grammar work books. Can someone please chime in and tell me what they recommend for writing? I am working with kids that were yanked out of public school at 4th & 5th grade in November 2016. They have both excelled with AG and are now doing 6th grade reading and writing. Thanking you all, Nini
  24. Hi mamas, My sons are going to grade 8. I am getting their next year's schedule together. Here is what I have so far. 1. AOPS Geometry and Intermediate Algebra 2. Prentice Hall Biology ( is there a better biology program ?) 3. World History ( Early to mid) ( still haven't decided on the books) 4. They are also taking Spanish lessons here locally. One thing I cannot figure out is LA and writing. They have done NHD this year. So, they wrote process paper. I read a few times on this board about one essay a week programs. I am looking at essay writing, writing scientific papers, book reports - any and every kind of writing. I really want to drill that in this year. So, they can be ready for high school ( and college) Can you please direct me toward the one essay a week programs ?What is a good one ? Thanks Zilya
  25. I was wondering if there is such a thing as a curriculum that has the students writing an 5 paragraph essay each week? I was thinking of doing this with my freshman next year, but why reinvent the wheel? If someone else has already come up with an actual curric for this, that's one thing off my list. I know the IEW topical books are almost one a week, but the topic books don't sound that interesting to my ds. Ideas? Thanks!!!
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