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  1. please ignore, just testing post upgrade.
  2. When requesting testing accomodations from College Board, does anyone know if the CB will grant some of the requests and deny others, or do they simply grant or deny your package as a whole? TIA!
  3. I need a solid, comprehensive standardized test for my 6th grader to assess where she's at across the board. I'd prefer online, but would consider paper-and-pencil. What are your favorite standardized/assessment tests?
  4. I hope you all and your families are doing great! Been a busy year for us with growing kids, with the younger very eager to join in and catch up with the older. :) I really like WTM but one thing troubles me. I notice that in certain areas like Science, History and Social Studies, it does not seem to agree with Washington standards. As I understand, WTM recommends you go through history chronologically instead of going back and forth between U.S. history and world history. I really like that. We were planning to teach our eldest U.S. history starting in 2nd-3rd grade once we've gotten that far in history. But in the Washington standards I've found online, it looks like you're expected to cover U.S. history, government and civics from the beginning. How are we going to fulfill state standards while still following the Classical model taught in WTM? It is the same with Science. We have been doing BIology for year 1, Earth Science & Astronomy for year 2, etc. But the standards seem to expect students to know a little bit of everything including Physics and Chemistry. This is frustrating. I know my kids will cover all those subjects in the next 4 years, but it looks like WA state wants it differently. So what can you advise? Also, what online testing services do you recommend? What U.S. social studies / civics and government book do you recommend? Can I buy a practice test so I know what to expect? (not showing my kids, of course) Cam I test my child even before we file DoI just so I can assess his progress? Can my child test for a lower grade? What if the child has to review some lower grade subjects while mostly doing the next grade?
  5. I spoke with a Pediatric Neuropsychologist today at Seattle Children's Hospital- after I read my daughter's IEP and education therapist notes to him over the phone, he said she definitely needs further testing and that our school district was not competent in testing our daughter. He suggested I study the Rights Law and formally request further evaluation through an IEE, and I can specify that it needs to be done at with a specific Neuropsychologist, even across state lines. I'm posting this because I hope to gain insight from other families that may have pursued the IEE and to also share this idea. It may not work, but it sure is worth the shot and if you would like to hear more about what happens with my journey in trying to push for this, please send me a message. Any advice is always GREATLY appreciated as well. :) Thank you!
  6. *Tiny Vent Session* Ok, it's taken me months to figure this out.... I need a great pediatric neuropsychologist to help me sort my kiddo out. She needs someone that can test her memory, IQ, processing speed, etc, while also being able to give us suggestions when the test is finished...not like here are your numbers good luck...but more like this is the way she processes things, how her memory is working, and what you should do next. I need someone that will actually do the test themselves, and has amazing patient rapport, because if my daughter feels at all rushed or feels like the test administrator does not approve of her, she will lock up and shut down. I've interviewed about four places, been through the chain of college professors trying to help, and I am still not locked in on an appointment calendar. The scary thing is I feel like I have found a possible neuropsych, but then they end up not being board certified, or are not taking referrals, or are only a psychologist, or they have terrible reviews. I don't just want her IQ tested so she will get approved for stuff, I want someone to help me figure out this little adorable puzzle!! *vent over* Our education therapist has kind of freaked me out over this- she says I need to put in the time and interview the doctors to find the exact fit, "which could mean I have to go to California to find the right one, or across the country". Does anyone have any advice for me? What was your experience like? My doctor has absolutely no ideas either. Traveling to Portland or Seattle would be ideal for us, as we live in North Idaho, but we will go anywhere to find the best doctor. I feel like maybe it would be easier if I just got my doctorate in neuropsychology at this point. ;) Thank you for your time!
  7. I am concerned about the gap in scores between my 2nd and 3rd grader. My oldest (just finished and tested at end of 3rd grade)was the reason I homeschooled because he read at 3.5 y/o. Today at 9, he doesn't like to read or isn't self driven unless it's comical or Lego related. He does like a few adventure books, but he won't read without being told often. I used WTM methods the first 2 years, but he has always been average on Woodcock Johnson testing. This year, I cut back on the reading for my own sanity, but still had 1 hour of reading alone, not read aloud. My self motivated 2nd grade reader scores very high. I also use Saxon and both are at grade level. The same happens. My 3rd grader shows being gifted at Math, yet, the same happens, he scores at level and my 2nd grader scores very high. The test admin was not resourceful with things that I can use. Many of my public school friends use Kumon when they want to continue with signs of brilliance and I am trying to avoid that. Any suggestions on what I can do?
  8. I'm looking for a basic standardized test for my 4th and 8th graders to assess progress. What test have you found most useful or helpful? I'm looking at Seton Testing Services. It looks like the Stanford 10 is my only online option. Has anyone used that? Is there any reason to do a different paper and pencil test? ETA: Or should I be looking at a different provider? I do prefer an online test. The only other one I know about is Let's Go Learn ADAM/DORA - have people used that and found it helpful? I'm not required by my state to do this. It is for my own edification.
  9. Does anyone know of a test that can tell me what level my child is for her written expression? I know she is behind. But I am needed a score to provide social security for her re-evaluation and I have no idea what test to use. She is currently in 3rd grade. Thanks in advance!
  10. My state does not require homeschoolers to do any sort of testing. Most people I know who homeschool do test their kids for their own information beginning around 3rd grade. Most of these people also have some sort of public school background though. Do you test your kids if not required by law? Initially I never planned to test my kids however, I now think I will at some point, so they will be familiar with testing when it's time for ACTs and SATs. I'm not sure if what it will look like at this point though. I'm especially curious to hear from those of you with older children as my oldest is only 7.
  11. Mid year is quickly approaching and so far I feel we are doing okay for first year of high school. However I know we have to test at the end and I am a little confused. My question is what tests do you all do for this level? I'm not sure I understand how those state mandated test results are going to show what we learned. How do you all determine which test to administer? I know there are several to pick from but how do they align with what we are teaching if we choose curriculum ? or are they just basic knowledge for the grade level? I am trying to sort this out before I have to let the district know which test we will do. Thank you in advance for any advice and info on this topic.
  12. Hello all, I am trying to sort out our plan for next year. My son will be a 10th grader and is most likely interested in a STEM major at this point. (I say most likely because I want to keep options open for anything.) I have been doing a lot of reading here and on college websites about their admissions requirements, and I have a few questions about testing. I am going to make two threads because I want to ask questions about reporting test scores, but also figuring out which tests to take. So, in regards to reporting test scores: 1) For AP and SAT 2 tests, do you have control over which scores get reported to the colleges? For example, if you were to get a poor score on an AP test, but 4s and 5s on the rest of them, can you send only the 4 and 5 scores? Or, if you send a report from the AP or SAT 2 place, will it include all the tests you've taken? Is the answer different for AP and SAT 2? 2) Can you retake an AP or an SAT 2 if you get a poor score? And if you do, again, can you choose not to send the lower score? Or will a report show both scores? 3) If you take completely optional tests, like Le Grand Concours, the national French exam, for example, and you don't do well, can you just choose to not include that in your applications? Just because you take a test, does that automatically mean that you should send those scores to the colleges? When my kids were younger, I really didn't like the idea of teaching to a test, memorizing facts to spit back out, etc., I mean it's the main reason we have homeschooled. But now that they are older, I understand needing to have some validation, and I want my child to have experience with that kind of testing. I want him to have opportunities for whatever he wants to try for. At the same time, I don't want all of our time taken up by studying for high stakes tests. So, I'm trying to strike a balance. And I want to know upfront how much wiggle room there is for us to give things a try. If you take a test, and you don't get a good score, will it hurt you? Or is it one of those things where, it can't hurt you if you try? Thanks for any insight!
  13. Hi all, this is the first time I've posted on this forum, have been around on the other forums for a few years. We've always struggled with my 9yo ds with school, but it seems to be getting progressively worse not better. In the last year or two he has developed stuttering at the end of his words/phrases. He needs constant supervision while doing school or he doesn't stay on task. He isn't lazy, he's very sweet. He's not defiant, but there are times he does deceive us. He'll think of ways to make it look like he did what we asked or he'll just say he's done, when he isn't. I have to check everything he does to make sure. Anyway, there are lots of issues, that's just a tip of the iceberg. I have talked to the pediatrician, he recommended first to do vision therapy which has helped tremendously with his school stamina. He can read for so much longer than he used to. He's less stressed out, doesn't cry as much. But there are still so many issues that concern me. So, after reading on here, I believe I should see a neuropsych or a developmental pediatrician, or get him evaluated for LD's or some sort of sensory processing issue. How do I figure this out? We're missionaries overseas, and we move back to Brazil in less than 6 months. I'd like some direction, how to help him on my own, maybe get some therapy done before we return. So where do I start? By the way, we live in the St. Louis/St. Charles area of Missouri. Thanks!
  14. Just had my kids take the Woodcock Johnson as an end of year assessment 1) My fifth grader scored at an eighth grade level for decoding/phonics/word attack. BUT she only scored at a low fifth grade level for reading comprehension. That's not so terrible, but I consider her to be very intelligent and the type of kid that would be in a "gifted" program, and I feel that she should be doing better, especially if her phonics score is so high. Other than "have her read more," does anyone have any suggestions how to address and improve this? 2) My seventh grader scored at a tenth grade level in reading comp and phonics/decoding, and an eleventh grade reading vocabulary. BUT she scored at a fourth grade level in "Reading Fluency" (which is where they have to see how many yes or no questions they can read and answer in 3 minutes -- so it's basically a speed thing.) Again, any suggestions how to bring this up? Thanks!
  15. I am looking for a test that would at the least correlate with the common core and at best is not 10+ years old. I am a private teacher homeschooling an 8 yr child for an affluent couple. She is definitely bright. They want her to have a private school education eventually and are able to give her 1-1 instruction at this time. To ensure she will have the skills and knowledge base for the next level, I am looking for testing materials that do not simply qualify as a standardized test, but give them "apples to apples" comparison. Any suggestions or guidance for testing materials or services are welcomed! Thanks, K
  16. My ds (10th grade) just finished a practice SAT test where his math score was 530 (the test book, Gruber's New SAT, was written in 2005 in case they have changed the scoring recently). Not looking good for a kid wanting to be a science major, and a family that can't afford $30k per year sans merit aid. Any tips on how he can boost this a little, or should I just accept it the way it is? He got most of what he did correct, but is to slow to complete the questions. This after a year of doing SAT test prep on his own, including math tips (which he says he struggle to retain, especially during testing conditions). He processes a little slower than the rest of the world. I do too, but managed to get away with it as a literature major at a top university. I'm thinking of paying to get him privately tested for LD again this August. We did this a few years back when he was severely dyslexic etc. (could barely read 3-letter words, let alone spell them). We paid big $$$ for a recommended pysch. educational eval. from a well credentialed individual, but didn't come out with a satisfactory diagnosis from it. His language skills tested extremely low (average 80's), but his visual-spatial was high (120s +) so he landed right on 100 and therefore didn't qualify for a LD 'label'. We did use the info to get him visual therapy and other interventions, so that now he can read Plato through Augustine, a bit slowly but still fairly intelligently, and gets 600+ on the writing/reading sections of the SAT (vocabulary is his lowest score because he has had to work on remedial spelling rather than the vocab. courses that most high school students undertake). So I'm now a tad skeptical that this will gain him accommodations, even though more time would see his scores go up significantly in all areas. So sad for him, because I have never encountered such a hard and conscientious worker as this kid. He wants to go to college, and I'd hate for him not to be able to do so. FWIW, his eldest brother also did relatively poorly in the math section of the SAT (560?). We took him to a residential school for the academically gifted in 11th grade and I remember the math teacher being incredulous that his math SAT scores (both of them) were so low for a math/science kid. But in his case, he had already received A's in college Trig when he was 14, college Calculus when he was 15 (from an actual university, not a CC) and went on to do quite a bit of advanced college math for the rest of his time at the gifted high school. He is now finishing up computer engineering and had to stop his math classes at his current college because they weren't advanced enough for him to progress any further. But the fact that he had very solid math grades from 3 accredited institutions allowed his college to overlook the SAT and give him a big scholarship so that he only pays $10k per year. As we all know, homeschool kids/grades are held to a different standard where SATs are looked upon as critical. The DS I'm posting about got A's in both Algebra I and II with me (Videotext) and an A for Geometry with Veritas Press online course. This is the second practice SAT test he has taken (we held off taking the test this year because of the first score) this year. Any suggestions about how to either increase his math score, or circumvent the difficulty? He doesn't want to be a math major, but he likes biology (more so than Chemistry) with interests lying in the general direction of being a naturalist etc - he doesn't believe he is enough of a scholar to do post-grad work, but would love to work with animals/nature in some capacity, and would like to go to college. And yes, we have talked to park rangers, forest rangers etc, and they all agree that the jobs that never used to require a degree are so competitive these days that those with degrees will get a very definite edge. He is also actively pursuing volunteer opp.s in parks and state forests etc. during high school to give him an extra edge in terms of experience. Kind of depressing for the both of us.
  17. My oldest daughter has done well and is starting college next year but I would like to have more knowledge and more of a plan for my other children. With oldest daughter, I only had her take the Stanford Achievement test in 8th grade and after a lot of prep she took the ACT once in 11th and once in 12th grade. Now I know there are other tests out there that serve different purposes but I am uneducated about them. So what kind of testing do you do starting in 7th grade and what purpose do they serve? Thanks so much!
  18. My child is in 2nd grade this year and it is our first year homeschooling. I received info about Stanford testing being offered in the area. The same forum said that testing is beneficial for children to prepare for later required tests, even though testing is not required in my state. So, I am curious about other's opinions on the pros/cons of testing in general? And the pros/cons of the Stanford test? Is it a good idea to test a 2nd grader or just wait until child is older?? Thank you!
  19. ... the thread RE ordering tests has me thinking about how homeschoolers make use of test results. How do you use these results in educating your children? and how might I? In our case esp., we have a (very) good estimate of the IQ, and the child is being challenged by his work and is not bored; test scores will almost certainly not help us design math curriculum for him (we are really at bleeding edge of performance & custom curriculum there!). But clearly the tests are useful. Could you share how you employ them? and how one goes about adapting plans for the child?
  20. I live in GA, and I do not need to test my DS (who is 1st grade) at the end of the school year.However, I would like to do it just to be sure we are doing right. My question is - Can I test him at home? Is there any test that I can buy, do test, ans send it somewhere to be scored?
  21. We have been using the ITBS for a few years and Im getting really tired of it. The kids don't enjoy it, they are rarely able to finish each section, so I dont know how accurate their scores are, and a lot of the questions dont really match what we've been studying or what i want them to know, Also, a lot of people here say the ITBS is too easy and the grade equivalents aren't terribly meaningful. I have heard of the Woodcock Johnson, and it sounds good, but I called a couple places in town who quoted it at something like $400 per child, With three kids, there's mo way I could afford that. I don't even think I could afford it for one kid! My oldest child is in sixth grade and I guess needs whatever test is required by the state this year. The other kids are just testing for our own purposes (mostly my husband's request) so we could give any test, assuming we could afford it. Any suggestions? Also, is possible to get the WJ done for less than $150, and how can I find someone in the Atlanta area to administer it? Google searches are not very helpful. Would the local public school be able to help? Thanks
  22. Hello again! Full of questions aren't I! I'm about half way through TWTM book. It has mentioned that it is not traditional and neither is homeschooling. I realize that, but I'm curious to know how my girls will compare to their peers. I know there are exceptions and many kids absolutely excel, but what about those who didn't get a good foundation from the public school? After reading this book, I feel bad for not pulling my kids out earlier. I feel they have not been prepared for higher learning, critically thinking, or anything. They've just been given some basic facts and moved on to the next topic. Forgive me for worrying! Most of this is from my own fear of messing up my kids education, not the classical education! Does anyone do standardized testing? Also has anyone done these tests with older children who started in the middle? How did they compare with the average of their peers? I'm aware this type of education does not follow the traditional schedule, and actually I love that! I just want to make sure they will be prepared for college and success. How about SATs and ACTs. Do you find them more prepared for these tests? On another note, I am so excited about starting this! We are going to do some transitioning after break. My girls were not given a good foundation in spelling, punctuation, and grammar, so we are going to be incorporating the spelling workout books with English. I am super pumped!
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    Hello, I am new here on this forum as well as new to homeschooling. i have a almost 8 year old in 3rd grade and a 5 year old in 1st grade. Both my kids are ahead of their class. We had to get our younger one tested to let her start Kinder at age 4. My older daughter tested at advanced level in STAR testing. This year we decided to sign them up with a charter school where they go to school for science and history twice a week and I home school them 3 days/week. They have already mastered about 40% of their math and a lot fo their language arts curriculum at home and I am planning to buy the next grade level curriculum around Christmas. They are very eager to learn and enjoy studying overall. What i need to know is, If I want to get them tested, what are some good but not very expensive tests that hold value? If I sign them up for one of the talent searches like JHU, what value does it hold? I am not sure if those tests simply mean testing and getting results or if they can benefit with taking those. I would love for them to participate in competitions because I know they thrive on those challenges but I don't know where to start. I am in CA and don't know if there are programs they could sign up for close by. Any advise is highly appreciated. TIA
  24. Hello! Hi all, this is my first post! :001_smile: I'm happy to be posting in this area since this is where I've been lurking the most. :D My son is obviously dyslexic. He is 13 and a fabulous kid. He works for a vet and wants to be one, loves books on audio and being read aloud to, enjoys doing math with Art of Problem Solving, basically a big love bug. He reads slowly, doesn't stop for punctuation, no inflection. He can't spell - picnic is "pacnc" and watch is "woch" (gotta love the english language). He can rhyme and does understand syllables. I gave him a reading test the other day and he tanked on all the first grade and second grade words but did great on the sixth and 8th grade words because he didn't have to sound them out. He had them memorized. Words like "envelope" come easy to him. So do sight words. Sooooooo we are thinking about testing him so he can have accomodations on the SAT and in college. The testing is $1200 to 1500 and can take 6-9 hours!! Does that sound right with everyone? I just can't see my lovely, self esteem entact son feeling good after 9 hours of testing his deficiency. I'm on the fence and I just would love some ideas/thoughts/experiences either way. THANKS!! :bigear: Kim
  25. Anyone using the ABLLS to help them track and move forward on skills? DS is not autistic but my Parent-to-Parent mentor recently suggested it as being helpful for her daughter. Anyone BTDT? How does it work? Where would I get the evaluation done, or did you do it yourself? Does anyone do the web version? Any resources?
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