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  1. I posted this in the high school/self education forum and someone there thought I might get some ideas here as well. I had a very poor education. I went to public school and was labeled LD in first grade, I was actually held back in Kindergarten. Since I had this label I was put in a special class and where not a lot was ever really expected of me or my class mates. When I entered high school I was mainstreamed and went to tutoring everyday. High School is where I really felt the horror of how far behind I was. Since I was behind I never made to any higher level classes. I need manage to do well in the classes I was placed in receiving A's and B's in many of them. I was accepted into college but never really felt like I could keep up so I dropped out after a semester. As my dc get older I fear being able to teach them the higher level courses. What curriculum would you recommend/books would you recommend for myself to prepare for my dc's high school, as well as feeling the large gaps of my own education?
  2. I had a very poor education. I went to public school and was labeled LD in first grade, I was actually held back in Kindergarten. Since I had this label I was put in a special class and where not a lot was ever really expected of me or my class mates. When I entered high school I was mainstreamed and went to tutoring everyday. High School is where I really felt the horror of how far behind I was. Since I was behind I never made to any higher level classes. I need manage to do well in the classes I was placed in receiving A's and B's in many of them. I was accepted into college but never really felt like I could keep up so I dropped out after a semester. As my dc get older I fear being able to teach them the higher level courses. What curriculum would you recommend/books would you recommend for myself to prepare for my dc's high school, as well as feeling the large gaps of my own education?
  3. Hello, I am fairly new to the idea of classical education. I first learned about the Trivium from a mentor of mine that attend Oxford for his doctorate in Theology. The more I read and learn about classical education, the more I feel cheated (both by myself and by the educational system I was raised in) out of my childhood learning. Not that I am bitter, just longing. Now I feel as though I am way behind. I am 32 years old with a busy life. I have two young children and a lovely wife and a full-time job and mortgage. But I am very much interested in advancing my education. Not necessarily through degrees, but more so through self-enlightenment. I would like to learn how to learn, how to think logically, argue properly, and mature in knowledge of God. Basically, to train my mind via the tenants of the Trivium. My hope is that someone can offer some guidance on how I can begin that journey. Are there books, CD or DVD series that beginning adults can pick up to start the process? Are there online courses, etc...? Any advice would be appreciated and well received.
  4. I'm wanted to self-educate. My daughter will also be doing this (she is 23). We are wanting to use the books (or similar books) listed in the Well-Trained Mind. What we are trying to decide is whether to do the WTM books the WTM way, the Robinson way (just read though them), or the Charlotte Mason way. Which way do you think would be the most effective without taking all day every day since we have other things we also need to do each day?
  5. I would say, to this point, I have struggled to educate my children classically. The more I try to teach in a classical way, the more I see that I don't understand the nature of it. The *idea* of it is elusive. I am a complete product of a weak public school education, including college. I grew up in a very pragmatic home and am, by nature, intensely practical. This is my "grain". Classical training continues to go against my grain. I am convinced of the rewards of classical education. I understand the stages: grammar, logic, rhetoric and what they mean. I use great books (classics) in our school, though I fall short in analysis and other study. I am barely grasping the idea of teaching "disciplines" rather than "subjects" and integrating them.... Just to give you an idea of where I am in my journey. I think part of my confusion may be rooted in the brands of "classical" education around me. But what I am interested in is the substance. I feel like I have been grasping at the shadow, iykwim. How do I retrain myself to understand, embrace, and teach it? Thanks for any insights!
  6. I have searched this forum and have not found if anyone has gone through and created a bible reading plan to coincide with SWB's History of the Ancient World. If you have or know of a list, please let me know. I am going to be reading the ancient history text and would love to follow along with my bible reading. Thank you. Crystal M.
  7. http://www.marcandangel.com/2010/11/15/12-dozen-places-to-self-educate-yourself-online/ The URL cracks me up, but this is a handy (and apparently not super recent) list of "12 Dozen Places To Educate Yourself Online For Free" Just thought I would share.
  8. I feel like I lack enough intellectual stimulation in the recent years. :001_huh: It is NOT that I do not read, do not discuss, do not write or review, do not have some adult interaction regarding ex-professional or other matters which interest me - but somehow all of that has become... I do not know, a routine of a kind. It has really been a WHILE since I have systematically worked on something genuinely new, explored a new field, learned a new language, or in fact done anything new. On the other hand, in addition to the typical motherly duties and other practical life matters, I spend a lot of time online. So obviously, the "time" IS there, it is just that I employ it for other pursuits. Which is perfectly legitimate and fine, but maybe I would like to switch a focus for a while. Now the question is, what could I study? I am undecided. :lol: I want to have a selfish little interest, a hobby, something FOR ME, not the kids, and something NOT professional, but still intellectual. So, nothing classical, nothing literary, nothing cultural-theoretical - I would like a change. :D I veto science (since, when I asked DD about it, she brought me one of her horrid biochem texts written in a foreign language full of scary concepts, and that reminded me just how far away I want to stay from it), anything else is welcome. Any good books? Fields of study? Something I missed in general humanities? Anything you read or studied and found challenging, yet accessible and rewarding? I have no idea how much time I would devote to this, a few hours a week I guess, but I would still like that feeling that I am working on something, exploring something, etc. Not just one unrelated book after another, as it is now. Thank you in advance.
  9. I've just started reading the Well-Educated Mind and am about to start tackling the reading lists. I wasn't quite sure how to approach the lists though. Do I read all the way through a particular genre list before beginning the next? Or do I read the first book on every list before reading the second book on every genre list (chronologically)? In other words, do I read each genre chronologically or do I read strictly chronologically across all genre lists?
  10. (I'm on my phone, so please excuse any glaring typos) I'm ashamed to admit that I've not read a lot of the classics. Shakespeare and The Scarlet Letter are the only Classics that I can really recall reading. Oh wait, To Kill a Mockingbird also. I want to make a list of the classics that I missed out on in my own education: The Greek Epic (reading it with my son this year) (I did read the cliffs notes in school) :D Animal Farm Of Mice and Men Pride and Prejudice The Grapes of Wrath Gone with the Wind Please feel free to add to my list. Thanks!
  11. I'm new here, and have been reading around the topics, I cannot seem to figure out what self "classical" education is, I am very curious about it, can anyone explain it please? Thanks!:)
  12. Hello, I'm new here (as is obvious from my post count!). I've been reading around the forums for awhile and thought I'd finally add my first post :seeya: I won't put too much personal info on for security reasons, but I do have a couple of boys and will be starting kindergarten with the older one in about 2 more years. My question is this: what do you recommend that I do NOW?? I don't mean what schooling should we be doing now, but I do want to know what planning or other types of things you wish you had done in the years before starting, or what you did that you thought paid off. Thanks in advance!! Legitimate answers include: "keep on browsing the forums to just get more immersed in the home school mindset" or "get off the forums and enjoy the kids while they're young!" :bigear:
  13. Hello there I am setting out on a journey of formal self education. (I have always self educated, just did not plan & give it a formal title) :) I am wondering if there are any online groups out there dedicated to this topic? Any groups here on WTM? (I am new here, so not yet familiar) A place to discuss ideas, book, curriculum, motivation etc? thank you for reading!
  14. I've been thinking more about the Italian thread and the very real problem that Ester Marie warned about of solidifying mistakes if you don't have a very literate native-speaking tutor to make corrections. For those of us in the linguistic boondocks: Doing transcription from audible books that are in our target language that we also have a hard-copy of to check our work against. Translating into our target language from books that we have both an English translation of and our target language translation. Any other ideas? Or does anyone see a glaring problem with these suggestions?
  15. Please help me create a plan for my own self-education over the summer. I used to think I was somewhat intelligent. Then I came here:tongue_smilie:. I want to stay on top of my children's education. I want to model good study habits for my kids. I want them to see that you are never too old to learn something. So, I've decided to really make an obvious effort this summer. I ordered Elementary Greek for my kids for next school year. I went ahead and ordered an extra workbook for myself in order to work ahead of them. I currently own SWB's History of the Medieval World. Since we are covering the Middle Ages next school year, this will be perfect for history. I really need a refresher course in grammar. I want to study some sort of logic. I know nothing about economics. I should probably fix that soon. Is there some sort of general intro to philosophy that will not bore me to tears? I need some science-type book. Anything would help. Help! I need recommendations, suggestions, general encouragement. Thanks!
  16. I blogged about this, but I have decided to start my own self-education along with my kids. Mommy brain is killing me and I thrive on educational challenges. This list doesn't include what I currently study along with my kids every day-nature study, math & grammar subjects, etc. This is a secular plan I have, I am UU. :) If you go to my blog (in siggy) there are the links to many of these things to MIT Opencourse sites, etc. Basic spines for general study and studying skills: An Incomplete Education The Well Educated Mind Math Mathematics: A Human Endeavor by Harold Jacobs Mathematics: From the Birth of Numbers by Jan Gullberg and Peter Hilton Algebra and Trigonometry by Foerster Calculus Concepts and Applications by Foerster Mathematics for the Nonmathematician Language Arts A rulebook for argument Vocabulary From Classical Roots New Oxford Guide To Writing Woe Is I Anguished English Eats Shoots & Leaves Elephants Of Style Sin & Sintax Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student Reading Poetry Logic & Philosophy Logic Philosophy of Love in the Western World Science Human Physiology (text from college) Zoology (text from college) Genetics Introduction to Biology Musculoskeletal Pathophysiology Physics Chemistry-probably just borrow my husband's books History DK History The Century A People’s History of the United States by Zinn Herodotus’s Histories English History Made Brief, Irreverent, and Pleasurable Every book on Britain and Monarchy that I can find http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~nekey/syllabi/his3100.pdf http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfnek/syllabi/brit.htm http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfnek/syllabi/3100.htm French Rosetta Stone French Easy French Step-by-Step Latin Wheelock Vergil’s Aeneid by Clyde Pharr Pallas and Turnus by Barbara Weiden Boyd 38 Latin Stories http://www.luc.edu/faculty/pgraha1/131sylla.htm Greek Greek: An Intensive Course English grammar for students of writing Reading Course in Homeric Greek http://www.cornellcollege.edu/classical_studies/greek/gre101sch.shtml http://www.cornellcollege.edu/classical_studies/ariadne/ Music Alfred’s Adult Piano Course Teach Yourself To Sing by Surmani Violin (working on Suzuki book 1 & 2 at present) Religion Living A Sacred Life Bible Harry Potter and Philosophy Catholic Bible In A Year or http://www.bible-reading.com/bible-plan.pdf After the New Testament: A Reader in Early Christianity by Ehrman A Brief Introduction to the New Testament Literature Complete works of Shakespeare Complete works of Hugo Complete works of Dickens WEM Readings Medieval Literature: Medieval Women Writers German Deutsch Heute German in 10 minutes a day Handwriting Write Now
  17. I have thought about this a great deal since starting to home school the blossoms, and up to now have put it in the back of my mind because the thought of it makes me put it in the 'too hard basket'. So for those of you who have started, where did you start? I finished school at the end of 6th form which is the second to last year of school here, so Grade 11 I think, and did not come away with knowing a great deal. In fact, I think I have learnt more in the last 2 1/2 years than I did at school. I want to be able to learn to think things through logically, and be able to articulate it so that I do not look as stupid as I currently am. Does that make sense?
  18. So, I have been thinking of doing this for a couple years now and am finally ready to start. But, I'm not sure where to start! (And I think the dilemma is an excuse to not start yet until I figure it all out! :lol: ) I realized that there is so much I never learned despite many years of education (I think 20 of them from preschool through graduate school!). For those of you who have begun the path of self-education, where did you start? I'm not sure if I should start with one main subject and then slowly add in more, or just jump in fully. Math is the one subject where I feel okay leaving it for last; calculus is a bit fuzzy, though I excelled in math (and am married to a math dude, so we talk math a bit too). But, even though I read all the time, I have realized I read mostly inconsequential stuff. History is also pretty fuzzy (I think social studies killed history, at least for me!). Science, well ... I loved organic chemistry in college, but as a non-science major, I didn't take much else. Art? Well, I'm slowly acquainting myself with fine art. My thinking is starting with literature and history would probably be a good idea, but I don't want to get bogged down with too much heaviness all at once. Also, what do you read for current affairs? I was thinking a good newspaper (at least the weekend edition) and a good magazine would be wise. Any ideas? Inspiration? Suggestions? BTDT stories are also good too. :D Thanks!
  19. I need a spring fever punch-in-the-arm. :) What are YOU reading and studying? I'm teaching both a life science and unit-based middle school science series right now, so I've been studying a ridiculous amount of biology as well as planning my spring garden, and the fourth quarter botany unit. I'm a plant-killer by nature, so I'm trying to overcome generational bondage here. It's Lent, so I've chosen to study "justification" as the light-theology topic for the season (LOL). I'm plowing right into the debate between N. T. Wright and John Piper (and landing quickly on the "Wright" side, despite always enjoying a good Piper book). I've also been working my way through The Weight of Glory again, a meaty CS Lewis that I never tire of. Finally, I have some learning-challenged middle school math students, and I'm pulling out every trick in my book, but am finding the "tricks" are not short-cuts to hard work, and try as I might, I'm not convincing them of the necessity of hard work in mathematics. Spring fever could be encroaching there as well. So, I'm rereading every math-teacher bible I've ever used to good results, and basically writing a special curriculum for my lagging lot. I am exhausted by fractions, decimals and percents. GRIN. So, what are YOU reading? What passions are you pursuing? Art? Music? Theology? Drama? Dogma? Lori, who is on round three of antibiotics for now-bronchitis that has never really recovered since the wedding in January...
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    I was reading the thread about TOG/SL for a Ker, and saw someone recommend TOG for self-education. So that got me to thinking. I've been realizing lately how important it is to actually teach my dd rather than just hand her a workbook. She seems to get so much more out of it that way, it's probably her learning style. I believe I could really improve my teaching if I would educate myself a bit. I've already learned a lot just going along with her. I'm interested in hearing what you have used or plan to use to educate yourself. It can be in any subject...math,history, grammar, etc. Thanks!
  21. For quite some time now I have known that I needed to embark on a journey of self-education. On the old boards I even posted about it a few times and received great encouragement, ideas and support. I purchased TWEM, read the first section and bought Don Quixote and then haven't done much else other than wait for a good time. I have come to realize that there will never be a "good time". Life will always be busy and there will always be things to compete for my time. For me it has got to be a choice of my choosing between good and better. The things that are occupying my time are good (for the most part) but often not the best. To be honest, I think it's partly fear that has held me back, too. I am fearful of taking a risk and failing. :confused: I have come to realize that while I always made great grades in school I am one of those who validated the system. And the system I was in wasn't great. I, to this day, don't know how to really read a book and engage it well. I am not a good thinker; I am a good doer. College wasn't really that much better - except for one philosophy class my sophomore year. I was never challenged to think and still graduated with high honors. :001_huh: As far as homeschool is concerned I searched "self education" on the boards and read a post by one of the board members I really respect saying that self education is a much more important endeavor than constantly worrying about making future plans that may or may work, researching curriculum and such. Guilty, guilty, guilty. I am a planner and researcher to the max - sometimes to the exclusion of doing b/c I am so busy researching! The best thing I can do in preparing for the future of our homeschool is grow myself in the areas where I am weakest. This is not a condemnation of how anyone else is doing things. I just knew there was truth in her post that really hit me just where I am. Okay, therapy session over...:tongue_smilie: Here is where I think I am going to start: I am going to start Don Quixote and work through the other recommendations in TWEM. I am going to learn how to play chess b/c it's not just books that I need to work on. I have always shied away from strategy games b/c of the thinking factor, too. Dh loves chess and I know he'll be happy to teach me. It will be something fun we can do together. I also am going to work on geography. This is not a thinking thing but honestly I am tired of reading news stories and wondering, "Now where is that country again?" Ds8 has a puzzle map and I am going to work on one continent at a time until I can fill in an empty map with all the country names. I know that there is much more I will need to do in the coming years but this seems doable for now. I don't want to start too big and then feel frustrated that I am trying to do too much. I know that in the not so distant future I need to study an advanced grammar program and start my own in depth study of history as well. Any suggestions? Tips? Thoughts? Encouragement? Feedback would be appreciated!
  22. ....who desires to educate her child using the Well-Trained Mind who has and untrained mind herself. This is my second year homeschooling and as much as I absolutely love the Well-Trained Mind it has not been a fit for my son. Furthermore, even if it were, with a limited education myself (hs grad but that is not saying much since I was schooled in FL) I feel I am ill-equipped to teach classically beyond the grammar stage. How would I go about preparing and training myself so that I can possibly give my littles a classical education and feel confident doing so in the process. Thanks all!
  23. I did not grow up with the classics of literature or a good background in history, although I was well-educated in writing. My interest in the classics have never been stronger then this year and I am interested to know if anyone else is self-educating. If so, what do you use as a guide? Your interests? A website suggestion? Any tips would be welcome. Thanks in advance.
  24. So...I want to start doing some logic/rhetoric level work myself, so I'm a step ahead of my children when they get to that level. Particularly in History/Science and maybe even brush up on upper level maths. What books would you suggest for History/Science? I am planning on doing the 4 yr. history rotation. What about Math? Have you just gone through whatever books you think your child will be going through and do them yourself? Thanks for your help!
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