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Looking for suggestions for my DD (6th)  math seems to come naturally to her. I'm wondering what to do for 6th grade  last year she did Singapore 6 and Saxon 7/6. For this coming year I'm considering jumping her right into Jacobs Algebra w Dr Callahan. Has anyone else done this without doing Saxon 8/7 or some other prealgebra course first? Thanks!

SAXON 54, 65, 76  1st Editions or 2nd Editions?
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Is there a significant difference between the first and second editions of Saxon Math 54, 65, and 76? Does anyone have a preference? I bought the used hardback student editions a couple of years ago. My daughter has been working through 54 and is on Lesson 32. I had been checking her work by working through the problems myself, which is easy enough, but to save time I recently bought a used teacher's edition for checking her answers. I noticed today that my manual is a second edition and my daughter's is a first edition. They mostly match, but some of the problems are different and her first edition has more problems per lesson. Going forward, I need to get teacher's editions to match her student editions. We currently have a mix of first and second edition student copies. 
My kids (4th and 2nd) have been using Math Mammoth since they came home from public school where they used Everyday Math (before the common core got a hold of it). They have been successful with it, and most of the topics come easy to them. Really, I think they can thrive with any program and in fact, they have said this to me . So we've never used Saxon but have the opportunity to attend a coop next year that uses it. I'm sort of torn... I like that Saxon has video lessons will be covered one day a week at co op I like Math Mammoth because we are familiar with it kids tolerate it and are growing ('cause what 4th grader loves math right? :laugh: ) I like the approach and the way it stretches their thoughts at times Any thoughts or advice? Really I could go either way. If we don't start Saxon now I doubt we ever will. We'll probably go with one of the MM recommended higher maths. Also, they each tested into a grade higher in Saxon and that's good because those are the only classes offered at co op now lol! (so 5th grader would be in 7/6 and 3rd grader in 5/4) the only thing my son (2nd grader) missed was the double digit by double digit multiplication which I can go over with him this summer. (edited to make more concise)

My rising 9th grader will be using VT algebra, which includes algebra I & II. I am thinking of switching to Saxon Advanced Math after that, since she has been using Saxon algebra 1/2 with great success. For those of you who have experience with Saxon Advanced Math, will my dd be able to go right into the geometry section in Saxon Advanced Math since she won't have geometry background in Saxon algebra I & II? If not, will say a geometry course on khan academy or EDX (https://www.edx.org/course/introductiongeometryschoolyourselfgeometryx1) be sufficient to fill in the gaps before she is able to handle the geometry in Advanced Math smoothly? Does the geometry section in Saxon Advanced Math covers completely different material in the geometry sections in Saxon algebra I & II or does it cover similar topics, just going deeper?

Hi All, I am hoping for some pearls of wisdom here because I am really agonizing over a math decision. Here is the background. My DS is a sophomore & completed MUS Algebra 1 in 9th grade. He got a B in the class, he is not a strong math student & works hard for his grade. He had done MUS since 6th grade. Well last summer, after completing MUS algebra 1, DS decided he wants to be a nurse & get his BSN degree. Well after research we realized he will need college algebra & stats as general ed requirements & no other higher level maths. Thank goodness. So I decided he would do Saxon Algebra 1 until Thanksgiving as a quick review to solidify his algebra skills. Well long story short, he is now just finishing up Saxon Algebra 1 & it has been agony. Lessons take DS 3 hours & many test scores are in low 70's. We have talked to Art Reed on many occasions & he has been very helpful. He is having DS back up 10 lessons now & then charge forward. So here are my problems: Because I made DS repeat a class he already had on his transcript, he has no credit for math his sophomore year In our state he needs Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra 2 & an advanced math on his transcript to graduate DS really does better to split the Saxon lesson & half but then the next book will take too long Here are my questions: In looking at MUS Algebra 2, I think DS could whip through it because it has much of the same content as Saxon Alg 1then he could be done by the end of summer & I could put it on his transcript, should I do this? If MUS in completed through PreCalculus is that enough for an low average math student to be prepared for College Algebra? Should DS finish out Saxon Algebra 1 & start Saxon Algebra 2 immediately, knowing it will take 365 days of agony to complete? Would a student like this even be capable of completing the first 60 lessons of Saxon Advanced Math he would need in order to get his Geometry credit? (It sounds like this course is difficult for a good math student) At this point I'm not interested in any other math curricula. Any guidance would be so greatly appreciated. I can't wrap my head around what the appropriate thing to do is. Jean

My rising 9th grader will be using VT algebra, which includes algebra I & II. I am thinking of switching to Saxon Advanced Math after that, since she has been using Saxon algebra 1/2 with great success. For those of you who have experience with Saxon Advanced Math, will my dd be able to go right into the geometry section in Saxon Advanced Math since she won't have geometry background in Saxon algebra I & II? If not, will say a geometry course on khan academy or EDX (https://www.edx.org/course/introductiongeometryschoolyourselfgeometryx1) be sufficient to fill in the gaps before she is able to handle the geometry in Advanced Math smoothly? Does the geometry section in Saxon Advanced Math covers completely different material in the geometry sections in Saxon algebra I & II or does it cover similar topics, just going deeper?

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Would you consider Saxon at a lower level than other math programs? I'm just wondering because I've done Saxon Alg 1 & 2 and I have friends in public school doing similar level math but they cover many concepts I've never covered or even heard of. I just want to know where Saxon stands in the world of math books :P I want to know because I may have to do a little extra math prep before college (It's senior year for me). Thank you very much!

Hi! I am really looking for some guidance. My ds, 10 has a hard time with math. We used MM 3 last year and I liked it but I can't decide if I loved it. He would forget some things that we went over and I felt like I was constantly going over past topics. Has anyone else experienced this? I feel like the spiral approach in Saxon might be better for him...thoughts? Or other suggestions? Thank you so much!

Well Trained Mind Academy Math Courses experiences
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Hi All, I have been wondering for some time now how the WTMA math courses have been going? Yet the silence is almost deafening. Maybe I missed the memo? :D While they are still relatively new, I have been a little surprised with the lack of comments. I sort of chalk it up to a) folks not wanting to say something which might offend (e.g. had some issues) or b) not wanting seem overly excited about something which may come off as disingenuous. So, I decided to simply ask outright for some honest feedback. Knowing the thoughtfulness of this group, I would expect those sharing their real experiences to be sincere. I'm sure Susan wouldn't mind hearing both praise and constructive criticism. I'll start out with being honest regarding my take on the offerings. We are not fans of Saxon. So, that leaves us with AoPS/Singapore courses. Those I find interesting for 'some' kids. Ds went through AoPS Intro to Algebra before WTMA had courses and it was his most challenging course. I realized then that their advertising was correct. AoPS is definitely 'not' for every student. In fact, it is probably not the right fit for most students due to the level of challenge and difficulty builtin by design. So, for our younger dds, I'm not sure there would be a fit for them at the WTMA. For ds14, he is already beyond the scope of their current offerings. But still, I can't help but wonder how things are going for other families? 8 replies

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Dd completed Saxon Alg 1/2 3rd edition last year and will be using Saxon Algebra 1 this year in 8th grade. My goal is to have her work through Saxon calculus in high school. I'm assuming that I need to decide now which edition and stick with it through high school (assuming she doesn't have problems that necessitate a complete curriculum change). I've read some of the differences, but I can't figure out which would be better for us. Which edition do you like and why?

Can this be right? (re: Saxon math overlap between grades)
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My DD9 is just now finishing Saxon 5/4. DD11 recently finished Saxon 6/5, so, since we have the book already, DD9 is going to continue on with that for the last 6 weeks of school. I knew there would be some overlap at the beginning (for review, when starting a new school year)  but since we don't need any review, I had to find the right place to start her, based on what she's studying in 5/4. There is nothing new in 6/5 until lesson 40! Can that really be true that a full 1/3 of the book is just review?? That seems disturbing  that publishers think that we need to review for a full 1/3 of the school year. Anyone else agree, or do you think this is normal? 
Here's my dilemma: 9th grader starting Algebra 1 and I am trying to decide b/w Saxon Algebra 1 and CLE Algebra 1. I realize CLE goes no further and there is no geometry. The draw is that CLE workbook style looks appealing and the reviews all good and much cheaper than Saxon. So what's the problem you say? Well the attraction of Saxon is that I am looking to go to Saxon for Algebra 2 and beyond. I heard that the geometry credit doesn't start until Algebra 2 and on into Advanced Math. So I am thinking to get his geometry credit it won't matter if we do another vendor for Algebra 1...right???? Or am I wrong about the geometry? Since we are looking to do last 3 yrs of math with Saxon should we just start with Saxon instead of CLE and switching? But all the Saxon components are so much more expensive than CLE. Bottom line: I want to get the geometry credit that is woven into the Saxon Algebras and I want to make sure doing CLE for Algebra 1 instead of Saxon for Algebra 1 won't confuse him. Would it be better to stay with the same vendor/style for continuity and ease of learning in the long run? If it is worth the extra money for all of that I will pay it. Thx for any advice!

Are there any Geometry topics on the SAT or ACT that aren't covered in Saxon Algebra 2?
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I'm referring to Saxon Algebra 2: An Incremental Development, Third Edition. Thank you. 
Edited: Saxon placement test just wasn't compatible with my computer. Got it to work on a different computer. If any of you are seeing nonsense answers, try a different computer/configuration.

When to switch to Saxon from CLE  Kiddo likes workbook!
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My oldest, currently in 6th grade, is working through CLE Math 6. Doing well with it, mostly independently. I was thinking she would switch to Saxon (that's our preference) after this year, but now I'm having 2nd thoughts. I think my biggest hesitation is that I know she wouldn't be crazy about having to rewrite the problems. I read another thread on here where one person said it's maybe a good idea to start Saxon 8/7 before jumping into Algebra (in other words, don't jump into Saxon in your Algebra year). That way they're familiar with how Saxon works before getting into the harder stuff. On the other hand, if I keep her in workbook format, it looks like CLE does PreAlgebra in two years? I really would hate to cram that all into one. I'm really even unsure about what progression math "should" take. What is the general progression of Saxon (in what grades) through high school? She gets math pretty easily so far. Anyway, I'd love to hear what others have done. :) 
Buying older editions of saxon math
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I'm confronted with the almost definite possibility that I will have very VERY little budget for school next year. You can see the ages of my kids in my siggy. We've always homeschooled so I have a lot of books and I was able to get some IEW resources SUPER cheap during the after Thanksgiving sale. I have resources for MOST things. Math is my issue. We've used CLE math for years and I love it. . .but buying LU's plus a another set of answer keys for 4 kids next year? Dear Lord, we're talking close to $150 and it's CONSUMABLE. I really shouldn't do that. I'm looking into buying older used editions of Saxon books. I'm wondering what all I would need? Book + answer keys at least, I'm thinking. What else? And is there an easy way to make sure I get books and Answer keys the same edition so they match up? Is there a perfect place for that. 
Advice for homeschoolers using Saxon math: Walk it back!
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This is our third year using Saxon (currently in Saxon Algebra 1, 3rd edition). Every so often, DS12's performance starts to deteriorate. His scores on tests and homeworks drop from 90s to 80s or less. Time spent on math increases dramatically, sometimes to as much as three hours for one lesson. This is especially common in the latter third of the book. When this happens, my advice is to WALK IT BACK. If you redo the last 5 or 10 lessons, you will probably see a huge improvement in your child's speed, accuracy, confidence, and attitude. 
Have any of you transitioned from CLE Math to Saxon? I just gave my 11 year old son the placement for Saxon. He missed 5 on the 8/7 portion so that's where I'll place him...into 8/7 from CLE 610. When I looked through the Saxon text, it just seems like there is so much he already has learned and knows well. I'm not sure I'm making the right decision, but would like to transition for high school. I'd love to hear your experience if you've transitioned from one to the other, what grade you decided to do so and how the transition went for you.

Which book after Saxon Algebra 1?
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DS12 will finish up Saxon Algebra 1, 3rd ed., in a few months. He does well with Saxon and we plan on eventually proceeding to Saxon Algebra 2 and Saxon Advanced Mathematics. He has been doing fine, scoring 85 or so on most of his tests. I think his conceptual understanding is excellent, but he is prone to making sloppy mistakes. After he finishes the Saxon Algebra 1 book, here are some options: proceed directly to Saxon Algebra 2, assuming he scores 85 or higher on his last three tests; spend a couple of months reviewing Algebra 1 using AoPS, Lial, Foerster, or Jacobs. I think he'd be fine proceeding to Saxon Algebra 2. However, he is quite young and I worry about him falling into the "Calculus Trap." At his current pace, he'll finish Calculus at age 15. I like the idea of building in some "detours" in between Saxon texts. He will probably tackle Jacobs Geometry after Saxon Algebra 2, for example. I am a little concerned about his sloppiness and would prefer to see him scoring a bit higher on his tests. So I am leaning toward option #2. However, I am not sure which book to use for Algebra review. We tried AoPS a few years ago and it didn't go well. My son is not passionate about math and is not a math genius. I own Jacobs' Algebra book; it looks relatively easy compared to Saxon Algebra 1. I don't know if this would be the right book for us. I have not seen Lial or Foerster. I know they are popular here. 
Last year I bought Saxon Math K and Saxon Math 1 for $10 each. It was a good deal and Saxon was recommended in TWTM so, I bought them. I also got the manipulatives on Rainbow Resource. I neither love nor do I hate Saxon. I was irritated sometimes by the amount of parent prep. My son has done well with it. While he's never cried because of math, he protests the calendar routine and some other repetitive tasks the curriculum assigns. I want homeschool to be enjoyable, not to see the light in his eyes dim with boredom. We changed the calendar routine (colorful magnetic calendar) and we skip some of the routine sometimes or we will do a game or play with the abacus. As far as the rest of the lessons, I get the feeling that sometimes Saxon is moving a little slow, probably due to the spiral nature of it. Today, after filling out a drill adding doubles up to 9, my son asked me how much was 200 + 200 and I showed him how to do it... we went off on a tangent. But if you would have seen his delighted face, you wouldn't have stopped either! We started adding other simple numbers like 100 + 100, 1000 + 1000, 400 + 400... Then we had to go back to the worksheets (because I'm that mom that likes to check boxes), that are all very similar and of course, my son can finish with no trouble. He does not mind a page with 20 addition problems. He actually gets a kick of completing them fast. lol I do not do 2 or 3 lessons in one day because we have other subjects to complete and he is still too young to sit still for too long. In fact, sometimes we complete Saxon in two chunks with a break. Sight word drill is enjoyable for him. Probably because we get off the table and he wiggles while he reads them... I downloaded a sample of Life of Fred Apples and read it to my son and he liked it. A lot. I ordered the apples book to use at bedtime. I think it will be a nice supplement and we may get the whole set if the religious content isn't too overt. After all that, I would like some opinions. Should I stick with Saxon while doing Life of Fred for fun? Or should I switch him to something else? I want a rigorous math curriculum that does not repeat itself so much? Something that will make me feel like we are indeed covering all the bases. Drill is fine. I am sure we can slow down if we need to, but its hard for me to figure out how to get Saxon moving without missing things. We are secular, but we are not offended by a religious curriculum as long as the religious content isn't a central part of the content.
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Small rant about Saxon math placement test
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So my son, 6, is doing pretty well at math. I am asking his charter school, who uses Saxon, to test him for acceleration  they use ability grouping for the kids so this is not a big deal. This would likely put him in Saxon 3 rather than Saxon 2. I honestly find Saxon kind of super boring and repetitive, and cannot see him bearing an entire year of stuff he mostly knows. (Last year, Saxon 1 was a cinch but they don't ability group in K). Anyway, I have been internally thinking about whether he wouldn't qualify because he is struggling with subtraction with regrouping for multiple digits. They will test him "sometime" in the next few weeks. Anyway, today I thought, is there a Saxon placement test online?  and looked it up. To qualify for Saxon 3, there are zero questions involving either adding or subtracting at all. Instead, his placement depends on being able to draw line segments in inches and centimeters, knowing money, writing fractions, reading graphs and thermometers, and telling time. To me these things are so easy to learn but we've spent little time on them (except clocks and money I guess). I am annoyed because these things all feel peripheral. I admit, I am assuming this is what they are going to use to place my son, and I could be wrong. But anyway, I am now facing a moral quandary about whether to practice ruler measurements (which is the one I mainly think he can't do) with him until they test him (which I won't be able to do anyway if they test him tomorrow). And I am hoping they actually use something better to assess placement. But really, shouldn't placement in early elementary be mainly dictated by major progression through arithmetic skills, understanding of place value, and understanding of patterns? Thanks for letting me rant. If anyone wants to weigh in on whether they think it's horrible to test prep him so he can be in Saxon 3, I'm listening. (I wouldn't use the exact problems on the assessment). And whether they think he'd be actually missing anything in the long run to skip Saxon 2. P.S. My plan for afterschooling is to go deeper rather than accelerate  I am planning to do Zaccaro's Primary Challenge Math along with logic stuff and maybe SM CWP 2 or some MEP problems  but I still don't want his hour+ a day of math in school (plus tedious Saxon homework) to be a waste of time.