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  1. It has been summer holidays here, so I have been reading, reading, reading about writing. I have read 3 of the 4 recommendations from SWB for rhetoric: Corbett's Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student (re-read this one, and really studied it) DeAngelo's Composition in the Classical Tradition (yes, the examples are as bad as she says) They Say, I Say: Moves that Matter in Academic Writing I have also read Webster's Student Writing Handbook Lively Art of Writing And I have read the following curriculum (some I actually read like LtoW, CW and WWS; others I re
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  4. CLRC online is offering a class for Classical Rhetoric for high school students. I know Wes (my oldest has taken classes with him before) and he is phenomenal...he is teaching a live once a week online course for students this year through CLRC where we have taken classes before. Anne is wonderful....anyway they have openings and I thought I'd let you all know...small class and a great opportunity for your youth! My middle son is taking it this year....Here is the link and info below: Rhetoric I |
  5. Hey everyone! I need help. I've been perusing these forums since '13 & this is my first post. I've been homeschooling for 6 years, but have just recently read TWTM. Omg. I wish I had done that 6 yrs ago, it would've changed everything. I have been eclectic, using several of the curriculum mentioned across the forum & wanted terribly to tackle subjects like Latin & logic, not really realizing I was running parallel in my curriculum choices. Now that I've decided to jump all in, I'm not quite sure how to transition my upcoming 9th & 10th graders into TWTM method for hist
  6. I have been immersing myself in all the posted topics regarding Language Arts for high school on the High School boards and have reviewed the WTM (not 4th edition because I don't own it) as well as my copy of Teaching the Trivium for guidelines about what to do as I plan my oldest DS's 4 yrs of high school. And yes, I've read Ruth's epic post . . . . My head is swimming. Please offer help if you can wade through my post! I'm most thankful for anyone to jump in here and give advice! I hate to be a "needy" mom on here, but I need some shoulders to lean on from those of you who have gone
  7. Has anyone used Cleanth Brooks and Robert Penn Warren's Modern Rhetoric to teach writing?
  8. Apologies in advance for what may be a long post. Our son has had a rough few years - both with health issues (which are mainly sorted) and a disjointed education of school-homeschool-boarding school-homeschool. We are now in a position to take stock, plan and really take a big picture look at what we want his learning to achieve in the next few years. He is very asynchronous both in his learning - some subjects he is way ahead of his peers in school, some subjects a bit behind - and in things like comphrehension and attitude - at times he 'gets' stuff some adults don't get, at other times h
  9. One of our biggest challenges in high school will be writing (and public speaking). I’m struggling with how to pull off 9th grade writing. In my assessment, DS is very inconsistent in his writing. Sometimes, especially with fiction, he’s written some excellent material; other times, I don’t think it’s particularly good. DS isn’t interested in more creative writing classes or assignments, and I don’t see a need to push it. Our goal is to develop a strong non-fiction writer, including in social sciences, natural sciences, and literary analysis. Right now, our plan to start 9th
  10. If you've used CAP Writing and Rhetoric, can you tell me what you liked about it? -did it help your student write better -did you feel you had to supplement with another program -do you feel it is complete -are you able to apply it to modern writing i.e. 5 paragraph essay We are currently using Classical Writing, we'll be in Chreia next year. I do think it is a thorough Progym program, however, the way it is laid out, I've had a hard time getting the rhythm and flow of it that our year looked "choppy." If there are already threads to this, please let me know!
  11. I came across this nice BYU guide of terms used in rhetoric. I was reading elsewhere (reddit?) a discussion about the vocabulary of rhetoric being an impediment. I know it is for me. I especially like reading through the rhetorical figures on the right side of the page. Silva rhetoricae (The forest of rhetoric)
  12. I'm considering using this with my high school rhetoric class of four home-schooled students. I'd love to hear feedback & comments from those who have used it. I've ordered a copy to review, but it's not here yet. :) TIA,
  13. In my digging today, I found these two interesting antique books on rhetoric. This one has an entire section on proper paragraphs. This one has a nice section on style and invention, along with other topics. Just wanted to share.
  14. Where would you go for writing? We've already completed Art of Argument and Discovery of Deduction, so I'm looking for writhing/rhetoric suggestions. Could you safely move into some of the WTM suggestions? Thanks.
  15. I want my son to take an article or editorial and analyze it for logic and rhetoric. I think it would help us to start out with a template of some kind. I found a few for logic online, but would like to combine the two. If you are willing to share what you have done that would be great. If not, I'll try to make one up. Something like I. Background II. Author's purpose/thesis III. assumptions etc. Thanks! Kendall
  16. Help! I have a bright, talented young teenager who NEEDS to be in a group setting. We've been using Sonlight and she's absorbed a ton of info, but she is stuck in the grammar stage and doesn't want to come up with independent ideas about academic subjects. In fact, she's actually passed on answering discussion questions because she didn't want to say anything negative about a historical figure... Doh! I'm new to the idea of classical education, but it seems to sum up our need for a change-- I'm just not sure how to accomplish this. There's a Classical Conversations CoOp starting 30 min
  17. ...in which she compares Traditional Logic and Introductory Logic? I think this is probably a long shot, but I'm throwing it out there anyway. Sorry for the double post. My computer was misbehaving.
  18. How do you do it? Do you have any resources you find extremely helpful and easy to use? More specifically, SWB suggests Anthony Weston's A Rulebook for Arguments. Does anyone have any thoughts on this book? Easy for student to understand? One more question. What have you used or done with your student to develop the skill of writing a thesis?
  19. I've worked through parts of the the first few chapters of this text with my dd a couple of years ago. Ds is headed into 9th grade in the fall. His entire "program" is all set. Now I'm thinking about messing it up. Jean, did you use this text? Where did you find alternate examples? Do you have a nice list all prepped somewhere on your computer? How did the pacing go? Do you have any paperwork/lists/rubrics/etc to impose the spiraling that my 9th grader is going to need? Of course I can do this. I just don't want to........ WAHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I hate it when
  20. I'm trying to get a handle on oldest ds's highschool plan before we actually launch high school. He starts 8th grade this fall. This will be my first time homeschooling highschool and I'm a bit nervous and not wanting to mess him up. He will be doing Logic I: Tools for Thinking by Norman Birkett this fall. Assuming all goes well he will follow up with Logic II in 9th grade. Then I guess it's on to Rhetoric. Is Rhetoric a formal course that I can put on a transcript? Would a course in Rhetoric be above and beyond what I have planned for English (Lightning Lit and some IEW)? Memoria
  21. OK. Time to change horses. Time to do something else with composition for my 9th grade dd. I think that I'm going to attempt the WTM high school writing progression. I have the R-level-recs including D'Angelo sitting next to my computer; they have been on my shelf for years; now they have moved into my "working pile." I've been pouring over them for nearly a week. There is no way this would have worked for my oldest in 9th grade; we (I?) had too much catch-up work to do. But my dd? She might actually love this, and I've learned a thing or two about writing in the last couple of year
  22. As I've been reading TWTM I've been talking about it with DS, who's 16, and he's really taken with the idea of studying rhetoric. So, I'm hear asking for suggestions! Suggestions which don't involve me also having to study everything (at this stage) are particularly welcome, since I'm trying to study for a maths degree & already don't have enough hours in the day.:willy_nilly:Come November I'll have more free time, but I'd like to start now whilst he's so enthusiastic. Thanks in advance!
  23. This has probably been asked before (for all I know I may have even asked it myself LOL), but is it even possible to do TWTM with a student who is in high school (starting 9th grade) who isn't ready for Rhetoric level work? If so, how? I love this book, but I also know my daughter isn't ready to do Rhetoric level work, but still want her to be able to start high school anyway.
  24. Wanna hear what I found? :) Well there was lots of good stuff, some new stuff, and of course SWB was AWESOME. She did 8 talks in 3 days plus a private luncheon with us, apparently a feat not to be recreated. But if you can imagine, next year both JW *and* SWB are coming to Cincy. You want to come, so start planning now! I've misplaced my booklet, so I don't have the dates handy, sorry. And now for some new stuff! Holy Cow science has hilarious topic kits for science. The glowing bones kit looked fun, if a little young. http://burnsfamilystudios.com/movies/pendragon/ This
  25. What would be a good rhetoric course that could be done independently? How/where do you list rhetoric on a transcript? Thanks!
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