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  1. Greetings all. I haven't been here for awhile but I wanted to pop in and get some help. Here's my math history. I've been a big mep fan-girl and used it from y2 through gcse with my oldest. I've been working with it for my younger school aged children and am growing frustrated with it's weaknesses. It is an excellent program but I feel like it rushes into way too much abstract problem solving too early. There are too many exercise types and too much variety. My younger children are coming along through it but I'm finding it so teacher heavy because of all the variety. Now that I have so many littles I just can't spend 45 minutes a day with each child. I don't mind teaching but I need something that the children will understand to some extent what they're supposed to be doing when they face the days problem set. I really hate the look of R&S. It looks SO dry. I love math and I want a program that helps a child think and not just how to do the work. That said, I'm not sure grade 1 is the place to start this. Maybe getting some of the facts under their belt and then starting a conceptual program is the way to go. I'm undecided. Math-u-see doesn't really appeal to me either. I don't like doing a whole year of fractions. I can pull out manipulatives if I need them. Basically it looks cheap to me. As a side consideration, I would appreciate a program that is non-consumable if at all possible. I hate the waste and I have a lot of up and coming students. We're also considering missionary work in a very poor country so the fewer books we need to take the better an reordering might be difficult. I also have a younger child with significant delays. I've been thinking of doing something like Strayer-Upton just because it's a getter-done sort of program that we can do at his pace. I'm seriously considering Saxon but I'll probably switch back to MEP for middle school but maybe not. In summary: What I like about MEP: teaches mental math very effectively doesn't just coach children to use standard algorithms but helps them understand what they're actually doing doesn't just have pages full of drill conceptual free non-consumable metric (I'm in Canada) What I don't like about MEP: too teacher intense too abstract early on too much variety in the primary years; the children get confused Suggestions?
  2. I think MEP is great. I've been using it for oldest dd, used Reception for ds and using Yr 1 with him now, and have just about completed Reception for dd5. I didn't want dd5 to be working on the same math book as ds6 - he tends to be a little slower with academic things than she is. So I thought I would pick up Miquon Orange for her to keep doing mathy things for the rest of the year. I just started reading through it, and it looks awesome! Like maybe I'll have her do that instead of MEP. So, in reading past threads it seems a lot of folks use Miquon as their main program through 3rd grade or so. Would the crossover to MEP in 4th be a problem? Also, if you want to share your love and/or reservations about Miquon or MEP, or how you used one or the other, or both together, I would be happy to read that, too.
  3. We are planing to transition to MEP math once my girls finish Miquon. So far, I plan to use the review lessons from Year 3 for revision/placement, and then go on to Year 4. Looking at the materials though, there are so many bits and pieces that I'm looking for some feedback from someone who has used the program. Am I right that the main content is in the lesson plans? And if so, do they require the copymasters to teach? And then there are the practice books - extra practice, or central? My aim is not at all to do the least we can get away with, but I really don't know how much to print. My eldest is very math minded. Thank you!
  4. We have been using MUS with our 7yo 2nd grade since K, so we are working on Beta. I am not in love with this curriculum, but it was recommended by a seasoned hs mom and by SWB. It seemed to get the job done and I am loathe to change math curriculum, since each has their own way of doing things. My kid seemed to be doing fine and progressing at the expected rate of one lesson/week - until we hit adding with regrouping. It was then I discovered she was doing the algorithm without understanding the why behind it. So we stopped MUS and started counting beans and using paper cups for two weeks. We did some more addition practice for another week, and she seemed to have a better grasp of the concept. Over the course of those three weeks, I totally obsessed about math, because if she was not understanding this concept, then I must be totally ruining her. So I started reading math blogs and about number bonds and number sense and wondering what her understanding was exactly, and what to do about it. During this time, I also started exploring MEP and doing several pages a week with her from the Year 1 book. She mostly knows her addition facts, but cannot come up with them in 3 seconds or less. (She has ceased to be a fan of xtramath.org). But then again, she does almost everything slowly. She is always about 30 seconds behind the rest of her class in Tae Kwon Do. We have passed the lesson that covers column addition and moved on to measuring. However, I print out a worksheet from MUS's generator and make her do four review problems each day. I discovered that she still does not understand regrouping with addition because the generator came up with problems where the ones column added up to 20-something and she carried a 1 to the tens column, because that is how she's learned to solve these problems. I am not math-phobic. All through school, I was able to plug the numbers into the algorithms and get a B+ or A-, but I never understood the why's behind them. Apparently, I am the product of some of the worst math teaching in the history of the US (80s teaching with 70s textbooks) and it shows because I can't even teach adding with regrouping. Soon I will be getting a copy of Elementary Math for Teachers which I hope will help my deficiencies. Usually for math, I play an addition game with her and have her do xtramath.org every other day. She does a page from MUS in 10min. or less. I have her do 4 practice problems, and then we do a MEP lesson. So, I guess I have several questions. 1) Should I stop everything and try to get her speed up on addition facts? 2)Should I drop MUS and go to MEP? I like that MEP has a lot of different ways of presenting concepts, but it is scary because it is so different from how I was taught. (Which is probably a good thing.) There is an irrational voice in the back of my head that says "How can she possibly learn math without pages and pages of addition problems? How can I prove she is learning without pages and pages of addition problems?" Sorry this post is so long.....
  5. My ds13 is about to finish MEP 6 and I'm imagining that I can jump him into MEP 10 like I've seen suggested in the MEP yahoogroup. Has anyone here done that? He's been doing MEP since year 2. He's strong in math and is chopping at the bit to get to some physics. I'm inclined to move him along quickly so that he'll have the prerequisite skills for physics. Also, my dd 14 is a little way behind her brother and will probably be finishing MEP 6 by June or July. She finds math much more challenging so I was thinking of putting her through MEP 7, 8 and 9 just to solidify her skills. Does anyone have thoughts on this?
  6. Once in a year I got math anxiety :) This year I'm worried about 'finishing in time'. So I wondered how long it takes to cover AoPS Intro to Algebra and / or LoF Trigonometry. In your answer I want to know, how much time you devoted to math per week, what was included ( using other material outside the book) what was skipped (challenge problems, chapters). And how many months you needed. Is LoF Trig a whole year or a semester book? (Or even less?) As dd is in the language track, she will have 3-4 hours math per week during grade 11/12. We won't have time for 6+ hours math per week. Thanks for answering! ETA: tags
  7. I need to add in more math for my older two kids and budget is a major restriction. I've looked over both MEP and Ray's and I like the look of both (MEP for it's very different approach and Ray's for word problem focus). I am just not 100% sure what level to put them in for either program. I'm waffling and could use some help deciding. We are new to homeschooling (only home for fourish months) after them both being in public school and I underestimated how much both of them would want to tear through math :D Oldest DS is 8.5, in grade 3, and is almost done Math Mammoth 3A. Very very good at mental math (hates to write out steps, also dysgraphic), needs more work on word problems. Middle DS is newly 6, and would be in K if he was still in PS. I started him slowly on Math Mammoth 1A to see if he could do it and he's just about to start 1B already. He's a process dude, every step he is taught he will follow. He's not reading fluently yet so I read the problems for him but he's great at hearing a problem and giving the answer orally. I also have another son who is 4, which is junior kindergarten age here. I've got Miquon Orange for him (and the others if they feel the urge, all three loooove the cuisenaire rods). So I am torn between MEP 2 or 3 for my oldest and MEP reception or 1 for my middle. Which would be best for where they are? And for Ray's I'm not sure which of the books I want for my oldest. Any ideas from those familiar with either program would be most appreciated :D
  8. On some MEP worksheets the characters are not mapped correctly - has anyone else noticed this and fixed it?
  9. ...the amount of teacher time needed seems to ramp up just as kids are wanting more independence. We've done MEP from 1b, and have just started 3a. The lesson plans have gone up to three-plus pages per day! Also, in addition to the workbook page, you now have to print out quite a few of the copymasters to complete the lesson. (Oh how I wish the workbook pages included it all!) But to top it all off, my ds is wanting to be a bit more independent now and the increase in one-on-one time in math is rubbing him all wrong. (He turned eight this summer and is starting 3rd grade.) What I love about MEP is the way it gets kids thinking about numbers. My ds loves the logic/number puzzles. I do wish it had a bit more drill, but we add that in ourselves. But between the time it's taking us and the need for more freedom, I think both of us are ready to move on to something else. So what would you recommend, dear internets? I want something with the conceptual learning of MEP, but more independent for ds. I'm looking for something spiral, since working on the same topic for days on end would lead to whining and forgetfulness. He would love something colorful or even computer based (but neither of these are requirements for me). I would love something all in one book so we aren't having to shuffle things all over the place (I'm looking at you, Singapore Math). Here are things I've used in the past: Singapore Math: We used this for 1A, and he could see the patterns in the answers without having to look at the problems. I don't know if this continues into higher levels, but I also hated all the books needed to teach it. Math Mammoth: We used 2A and B last year over the summer and then along with MEP. He did it on his own and only a page or so a day since it was our supplement. I find the books a bit dull, and I can already hear him whining about having to work on the same topic he worked on yesterday and the day before .... hence me leaning towards something spiral. CLE: My dd10 uses this. It works great for her. Ds would do fine in it, but it definitely doesn't have the challenging logic and word problems I'm looking for. Beast Academy: Both kids love to read the books but have never shown interested in working out the problems. This also has the same mastery approach that I think would drive ds bonkers. Things I've looked at after searching the forum: Horizons: I like the all-in-one and color and such, and I know that this is advanced as far as content, but I wasn't seeing any sort of logic or conceptual thinking problems in the samples. Teaching Textbooks: He would love this since it's on the computer and easy. He would for sure test into grade 4 in this. I would definitely supplement if we went this route. Also, it's on the pricey side. Math in Focus: I kind of like Singapore style, and this makes it more manageable. My OCD might force me to buy all the things, which would make this kind of expensive. But it does have the color to hold his interested and a bit more of the rigor I'd like to see. Mathematical Reasoning: This claims to be a complete curriculum, but the samples look light on repeated practice. Maybe something to pair with TT if we go that route?? Saxon: Good old Saxon. Definitely spiral, but maybe too much? I'd need to test him to see where he'd land in this. The lack of white space might be an issue. Does this have enough logic type things? Hard to tell from the samples. Those are the ones that stand out to me right now, but I want to make sure I've covered all my bases before making a choice. Please help me choose what direction to go! Feel free to suggest other options or comment on the ones I've looked at. Thank you for any help you can give!! (And for reading what apparently has become my first novel! Time to look for a publisher! :laugh:)
  10. I need some serious help deciding on a math curriculum. Here's my story: When I started homeschooling my oldest I used Saxon for math. Loved it. We used it for her up through 4th grade. By that time I also had a 2nd and 1st grader and math time was seriously eating up my day (I also had a 3 and 1 year old). The next year, for DD1's 5th grade and DS1's 3rd grade year I switched them to Khan Academy with some speed drills and worksheets thrown in for good measure. I still did Saxon with DD2 who was then in 2nd grade. It seemed to go well but by the end of the year I was frustrated with what looked like low retention and my older two were continually asking me to go back to teaching them. This year (DD1 - 6th grade, DS1 - 4th grade, DD2 - 3rd grade) I went searching for a self-led math program. I found Math Mammoth and it seemed like a dream come true. I ordered the entire light blue series and started all three kids on them in September. It took me 3 weeks to realize that MM would not work for us. The older two asked me for instruction constantly and the 3rd grade book was all "new math" i.e. here are seven different ways to figure out 23 plus 45. So. I figured I'd have to go back to Saxon, which worked well, but it was October and I was out of curriculum money. Enter MEP. It was free, it was highly praised. We dove in. We love it. Problem is, I'm back to teaching three grades of math every day, plus everything else and wrangling a 5 and 3 year old, and I'm going insane. Originally I decided it was worth it to do all the instruction so that they would get the best education, but after 13 weeks of running myself ragged I'm not sure I can continue. Here's what I'm thinking. I could continue with MEP and have one of them each day do 45 minutes of Khan Academy, so that I'm only teaching 2 hours of math instead of three. That would mean taking longer to get through MEP, putting them 'behind'. Not real excited about that, but maybe it would be okay. (We already skip the 'review' lesson because we school 4 days per week.) Or I switch it up completely again. I'm looking at Life of Fred for my sixth grader, who is not a math fan. My concern with that is twofold - will it prepare her for college math if she goes all the way through? (Considering she will probably never be a scientist or engineer.) Second, is it really self-led? Can I hand her the books and let her go? My third grader also struggles with math. We've been doing LoF Apples for fun every few days instead of MEP and she enjoys it. My concern is still whether it works as a stand alone program. My 4th grader loves math and is good at it. Not sure if LoF is good for mathy kids. If you've read this far, I commend you. Thanks for your time and in advance for any advice!!
  11. I just finished my first year of homeschooling. I have a son, who will be in first grade this fall, and I also teach math to my nephew, who will be in fourth grade. I used mostly MEP with both kids, and my kindergartner did Miquon orange some too. I also used the Right Start games and a few of the abacus activities and used some Math Mammoth toward the end of the year with my nephew. MEP was our consistent, almost every day curriculum though. When I taught in public and private schools, I never used one curriculum exclusively and almost always pieced things together and made up my own things. I am thinking about piecing together their math curriculum this year, using a combination of all of the above for several reasons. I love MEP for so many reasons, but there are so many lessons that I feel like we will never finish unless we do one a day. My nephew really struggles with math, and it takes us forever to go through one MEP lesson. I would really like to shorten his math to 30-45 minutes a day because after that, it really becomes pointless with him. I would just pick and choose from MEP and skip things, but I feel like there is a reason for every single activity in MEP and that he will struggle with something later if we skip around too much. Also, since I also have a 4 year old and 2 year old, MEP was just becoming too teacher intensive. I was doing MEP 1 with my kindergartner, and that wasn't taking so much time, but I was working on MEP 2 with my third grade nephew, which was taking way too long. My son, who will be in first grade this year, really picks up on math quickly. I want to keep him enjoying math, and doing the same type of thing everyday is not going to achieve this for him. He and I both need variety! And he would be fine with only about 20 minutes of math a day. So this is what I am thinking about doing. I would like to make a list of what I want to accomplish with them in math for the year. Then, every week, I will decide what we will focus on that week and just use whatever resources I think will accomplish that best. For my nephew, I will probably use Math Mammoth as a spine and use some of the Right Start abacus activities (we have the abacus activities book) to introduce some of the concepts. Then, I will add in maybe one MEP sheet a week because I love the problem solving required in those. I will also use the Right Start games. I think this will be good for him because he struggles in math, and I need to be able to skip around because a curriculum that is below his grade level will contain some things that he already knows. For my son, the first grader, I will probably not use any particular spine but just a list of what I want him to accomplish, and use a mix of all of the resources I have. I will let him choose pages from Miquon to work on and follow his interests with that. I have also ordered Primary Grades Challenge Math to use with him some. Does anyone else do something similar to this? I am just starting to feel like once I start using a curriculum exclusively, for me it becomes more about finishing the curriculum than what I really want them to accomplish. I know this will be more work, but I think it will help to use Math Mammoth as a spine for my nephew. Any thoughts, opinions, or experiences with this are welcome! Thanks, Anna-Maria
  12. We just started MEP a few weeks ago and since we came from SM I had each child go down a level to fill in any gaps. Since they each went down a level they are able to blow through several pages a day. But we are not using the lesson plans. I look them over and pull out a few activities here and there, but so far I have barely used them. I plan to continue this way through the summer and then start them back up in the fall using both MEP and SM. I haven't decided yet if we will use MEP to supplement SM or visa versa. So my question is: Is the meat of MEP in the lesson plans, or is it fine to just use the worksheets?
  13. I am debating on math programs for next year. I have not used Singapore math, but from what I have seen I really like the concept of model drawing to solve word problems. Are there any other math curricula that apply this method, specifically Math Mammoth or MEP math? If any current users of these programs could give me feedback that would be much appreciated. If those curriculums do not use model drawing, what is their approach for solving word problems? Thank you, Laura
  14. I've been using RightStart and MEP for the prior few weeks with my six-year-old. I wrote about it on my blog. I'd be happy to answer questions about how we use it if you have any. Best, Emily
  15. I need a new math curriculum for dd, 5. My 8 yr old has been using, and loving, MUS since kindy but I can see that it's not the right fit for dd. She also did not like Life of Fred - she had no interest in it at all. She's more of a top-down thinker. She needs to see the big picture and then work backward from there. What kind of math curriculum is like that? I also think she's likely to get bored with a mastery type program so I'm thinking a spiral program would be better for her. I know she's young right now but I don't like switching around math curriculum so I'd like to nail down what works for her now so that we can use that over the long haul. Generally we try to stay secular but I'm ok with religious content in math. Also she doesn't seem to love nor hate the MUS blocks. I think she could be totally without manipulatives and that would be fine with her.
  16. Ok, so mom apparently is not that great at math and I'm just stumped. We are doing MEP Year 1 and we are on Lesson 30. I don't get what they are asking for on number 2. The answer key is here. It shows a thermometer and reads- How many degrees is: 2* more than 1* 2-1= 2* more than 0* 2-0= 2* more than -1* 2- (-1)= 0* more than 2* 0-2= I don't understand where they are coming up with the equations. To me, 2* more than 1* should equal 3* and I would write the equation 2+1=3. Obviously I am totally missing something on all of these. Can someone please clarify??? And then help me tangibly show the problems to my daughter. I just don't get it and I can't explain it to her. How can 1st grade math possibly be this confusing? :tongue_smilie:
  17. Does anyone use MEP and NOT supplement with Singapore? Is MEP stand alone? I think I want to return Singapore AGAIN. I started with SM 1a/b last year and didn't like it and did Righstart A and B instead. We also used CLE 1 as our spiral review. This year I was going to continue with CLE and use Singapore as our spine. I got the 2 a/b textbooks and HIG (standards) in the mail and I once again thought, "I don't want to do this." At the same time I have been looking at the MEP materials and I like them much better. They are exactly the piece that CLE lacks. I have the singapore materials sitting here to be returned, but I have RETURN ANXIETY. I can't believe I'm going to return the same program again! Has anyone switched from SM to MEP? Why do people here seem to prefer SM and just supplement with MEP? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
  18. While doing research, I looked back for threads on MEP, and it seems as though you both liked/used MEP for a while and then both ended up with Singapore as your primary math. What does SM have that MEP lacks? What made you switch? Do you still have a good opinion of the program having dabbled in more options since then? TIA, you guys seem to really know your stuff. Sarah
  19. Is it me or is that the lessons plans for MEP1 doesn't correspond exactly to the activity book questions? There are a few extra questions in the activity book not shown on the lesson plan and then the copy masters don't seem to match either. Is it my pregnancy or is there a mistake?
  20. I've been looking at switching to MEP. I've downloaded everything on the Primary web page as well as the PDFs of the IPMA tests. Questions: 1. Are there answers to Practice Books for grades 4-6? 2. Has anyone made answer sheets for the IPMA tests? 3. What all is involved in getting passwords and what does that give you access to and for how long? I read on the Yahoo group that that was more in the past when not as much was available without one. Are there still sections not available without a password?
  21. My DD will finish SM 3B in another couple of weeks. I want to keep up with math during the summer and I know that MEP math is available for free. I wasn't able to find a placement test, so I'm wondering which level would be good to do? Thanks for any help! :)
  22. I'm looking at my options for my kiddos' math and am trying to figure out what is best for them. My 4th grader (5th grade next year) has been doing great with MUS Delta. She's almost done. I have Epsilon and Life of Fred for fun for her next year. I thought though, about supplementing with something else to give her different exposure to different mathematical thinking. I thought about using Math Mammoth, to give her a different perspective and keep her sharp on her skills. These are both mastery programs, so maybe that's not what she needs. I love the look of MEP but wouldn't have any idea where to place her since she's never used that program before and it seems to approach math so differently. My 1st grader has had a hard year with math. I've finally decided that CLE is what he needs. I also considered MEP for him, but it's too teacher intensive as a stand-alone math, and I will have a new baby soon. I know I'll need to teach CLE at this stage, but it looks less time intensive than MEP by the looks of the TM samples. Both CLE and MEP are spiral. So I wondered if I should use MM instead. Maybe, not right away, but after he gets settled into CLE. Or use a little MM and a little MEP for both of them as supplements? Does that sound like a good plan? Does it sound like it would work? I have not decided how I'd plan it out practically. A lesson in the main math every day and 1/2 a worksheet in MM a day or a puzzle page from MEP? Any thoughts, ideas welcome :bigear:
  23. Does anyone know if they give the password for the answer keys to homeschoolers? I am working my way through the GSCE lessons as a refresher before I go back to school in the fall.
  24. Okay, with all the math talk lately, I have done some looking into different programs. I have been wondering how do you start MEP? What do you need to print off, etc? I am using Math in Focus right now. My 8 y/o is just finishing up 3b, my 6 y/o is struggling a little bit in math, she is in 1b, but I am supplementing a lot with her with Miquon and games. Thanks.
  25. My ds is currently doing MM 1B and my dd is working on 2A. Ds understands math facts more quickly and easily than dd. Could I have both of them simultaneously work on MEP Y2 or might it accelerate too quickly for ds?
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