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  1. I did Alg I, Geom, Alg II many years ago when I was in high school, but I don't know if that sequence is really the best-any thoughts? We use Kinetic Books and the Geometry program is not out yet, so I'm wondering if we could do Algebra II next year (10th), then Geometry (11th), then Precalc or college algebra at cc for 12th. Are there any hard and fast reasons/rules for doing it one way or the other? Thanks by the way, he is not a math/science guy and will not be pursuing a degree in those areas. much more lit/history minded
  2. Because I have three algebra books sitting on my lap right now and I'm trying to evaluate them for my dyslexic soon to be 9th grader. I have a feeling I'll have to pick and choose from various sources occasionally to make it easier for her, but I'm not sure exactly what to include in "Algebra I" and "Algebra II". One of the books looks like it's both Alg I and II? (Larson/Hostetler "Elementary and Intermediate Algebra: A Combined Course") I'd really love a breakdown of the *essentials* for each level since she is most likely going to struggle through this (and the rest of high school!), and I want to be able to focus our time on the "must haves" for each level. Thanks!
  3. My 7th grader will finish BCM this year and will be ready to move on to Algebra 1 in 8th. I don't think Lial will be a good fit, based on how this dc prefers to have frequent review - BCM has been a little frustrating in that regard. I was thinking that maybe we would use TT Alg. 1 in 8th to introduce the concepts, then do Lial in 9th to solidify concepts, learn the real math vocab, and increase the difficulty of the work. Does that sound reasonable? Would you recommend some other Alg. 1 text with more frequent review?
  4. My ds will finish AoPS Intro Algebra next month, and I am trying to decide what should be the next book or books in the series. I am not sure that he will like Geometry very much, in fact he has asked to start Intermediate Algebra next. I am wondering if anyone has spread out Geometry over 2 years so that the student can do Counting/Probability and Number Theory at the same time. I was thinking M,T, W Geometry, and Th, F the other books. Is this doable? I can think of 2 possible negatives: 1) If my ds dislikes geometry, it will take him 2 years instead of 1 to get through it, and 2) with so many new concepts, none of them will really sink in because he would spend only 1/2 a week on each. We could also possibly do Counting/Probability and Number theory next year, and then do a 2 year course using Geometry and Intermediate Algebra concurrently. Finally, does the Geometry book do 2 column proofs like I learned in school? Just wondering, because I really disliked them.:tongue_smilie: Suggestions? Ruth in NZ
  5. I am looking ahead for the next two years for my current 10th grader. He plans on majoring in chemistry in undergrad with hopes of going on to medical school. He will be taking Calculus and Calculus-based statistics before he graduates high school. My question is whether any of you think it would be beneficial for him to also fit in AoPS's Intermediate Counting & Probability class? I know this class would be extremely worthwhile for a student headed into computer science, but I am not sure about a student headed into chemistry. He has taken the AoPS's intro level C&P and found it extremely useful when he took a Genetics class at CTY a couple years ago. I am wondering if the next level up class in this topic would aid him in his undergrad science studies. Thanks in advance for any insights.
  6. We're finishing up with Singapore Math 6 soon. Wondering what your math sequence was starting in 7th-12th, especially if you used SM. Could you list the grade, subject and text, please along w/ any changes you'd make. Also especially curious if you had a mathy child. Thanks
  7. My knowledge of how math progresses is based solely on what I did in high school: Algebra I, Geometry, Algebra II, and Precalculus/Trigonometry. If Swimmer Dude is doing Foerster Algebra I in 7th grade along with LoF Beginning Algebra and we are taking our time, what does the progression look like over the next 5 years? Math is not his first love, yet he is careful to make sure he understands the concepts and he doesn't seem to be unreasonably stretched by the work.
  8. I'm wondering if 6th grade is too young to start pre algebra. I know it's a question for the K-8 boards, but I'm really looking for answers from those of you who have "been there done that". My ds is 10 and doing well in Saxon 7/6. I've read a lot on this board about Lials BCM, and I'm really tempted to start that with him next year instead of continuing with Saxon. On the other hand, I don't want to push him into something he's not ready for. Any advice?? Thanks so much!!
  9. Have any of you had your students complete Algebra 2 before starting Geometry? If so, was it successful? We're using Chalk Dust for math, and I don't see any obvious downfalls, but thought I'd ask. Science scopes/sequences seem to favor Algebra 2 either before or alongside Biology.
  10. Does anyone have math planned through high school? Or do you have a math sequence that you used with a graduated student? I would love to hear your plans. Thank-you for taking time to post your sequence! I just looked at our math, realized my kids will hit algebra in middle school and have now realized that we have absolutely no long-term math goals. Off to drink more coffee, step off the window ledge and :chillpill:. Thank-you for your replies!
  11. There may be another thread about this same thing, if there is I'm sorry for the redundancy. My question: If our state (Missouri) requires 3 years of Math and the colleges won't accept any credit for anything given prior to the 9th grade year, then do I: Choice A: 8th-repeat pre-algebra 9th-alg 1 10th-geom 11th-alg 2 12-(optional) pre-calc or trig Choice B: 8th-alg 1 9th-geom 10th-alg 2 11th-required pre-calc or trig I never took anything beyond Alg 2, so I can't even make an educated guess about how successful he will be with cal or trig. Suggestions? Thanks.
  12. So I'm thinking about how I'm going to handle the next couple of years into high school. Maybe the prospect of being in the same place for more than two years has me twitchy (we're military and move a lot). Maybe it's just that I've realized how expensive putting three kids through college is going to be and want to give them all the basis for choice that I can. I have two sons who have tracked together academically from the very beginning. One is in 7th grade, while his brother is in 6th. This year in math they are doing pre-algebra (Key to series and Saxon Algebra 1/2). I would say that the 7th grader ® is a good student with a lot of creativity and smarts (with IQ and achievement test scores in early elementary that put him into gifted range) who tends toward distraction and inertia. The 6th grader © is very smart. Fast, high level reader with a phenomenal memory. IQ and achievement scores that put him into profoundly gifted ranges. He has been doing the same math as his brother since they were in kindergarten and pre-k (actually 3.5 years old). He asked to learn to read at 4 and finished 100 EZ Lessons in six months. In many ways his academic ability is beyond his brother, but his emotional maturity is closer to age appropriate. So, I'm wondering what to do with the two of them as we approach academics that might go onto a high school transcript. I anticipate that R will start algebra next year, with C right along with him. If things go smoothly (here's our first assumption) then we might have a progression like 8-algebra 1, 9-algebra 2, 10-Advanced Mathematics, 11-Calculus. However, C would be in the same courses one grade earlier. Questions: 1) This progression would have them doing three years of math in the high school years or would count 8th grade algebra on the transcript. What are the pros and cons of this. 2) As the math gets harder, it might take more than one year to complete a course (ex. adv. math or calc). What would the impact of this be. 3) I don't want to hold back the student who is honestly more comfortable with the math (C, the younger brother). But I'm worried about either counting his 7th grade work for high school levels or locking him into a situation where he has to take even high levels of math to have enough credits in high school (or to avoid his having a gap in senior year). Thoughts from thos who've been there and done this? 4) Or should I just not fret this early and plan to do dual enrollment if we get to that point (though we may only have online options as we've been spending a lot of years overseas, where the DOD schools and the local college campus extensions don't work particularly well with dual/partial enrollment students). Please hit me with the good, bad and ugly that I'm not considering.
  13. My dd has struggled in math. She is in 10th grade and we are just plugging away. She wasn't to the point of starting Pre-Algebra until 8th, had to repeat with a different program in 9th. Now we are into Algebra, and after a shaking start she is just starting to grasp the concepts. Next year we plan to do geometry which has me a little worried. If it takes her 2 years to be able to get through it, she won't get to Algebra 2. So many graduation requirements are for 3 years of math Algebra 1 and higher. Colleges require this higher math. In Colorado we set our own graduation requirements as homeschoolers, so technically we don't need to go through Algebra 2. Would you hold your child back for a 5th year of high school to do Algebra 2 or would you just graduate them. She is not headed to a top college, so that isn't an issue. But even the low and mid level colleges seem to have 3 maths as a requirement. Any BTDT advice?
  14. My son was looking online at his current #1 choice. They list that they want applicants to have Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry and PreCalc. He will have Algebra, Geometry, Algebra 2 and PreCalc. Is this the same thing?
  15. We are currently solidifying math operations with Lial's Basic College Math for 6th grade. We also own the LOF books (Fractions, Pre-Algebra 1 w/ Biology, and Pre-Algebra 2 w/ Economics), but cannot seem to get to them. BCM is taking a long time, it is just so many pages. We are starting to do 2 units per week and I still don't envision completion at year end. What would you suggest as a math sequence for us for the next 2 years, since we plan to have ds enter a private HS at 9th grade? or: 3 LOF books = 7th grade Algebra 1 = 8th grade or summer school = LOF books Algebra 1 = 7th grade Geometry = 8th grade Which looks good to you? or, other suggestions? I know LOF gets good reviews so I want to use them somewhere... I would love your suggestions on specific texts, if you don't mind ...
  16. Does anyone have a program or book that you especially love for this? We are thinking about switching from Algebra II to Consumer Math this year and I was hoping to find something fun and interesting.
  17. I would really appreciate thoughts and opinions on this math sequence. My dd is in 8th this year so all of those overwhelming thoughts about high school are here for me. I am lightly considering our plan for high school and this is the math sequence I'm considering: 9th Algebra I with Jacobs 10th Geometry with Jacobs 11th Algebra II with Foerster 12th Precalculus with Foerster I really like that Kolbe Academy has this same plan for high school. This gives me some comfort in this area. They have plans and dvds to go along with it. I need a plan that is clear and straightforward for me and dd. My dd does not really like math and does average to struggling work with it. Math is not my best area either. I may consider as she reaches 11th or 12th grade using a cc class or online class but this is the plan if I have to teach it all. ETA: I feel like I should amend this a little and explain that dd is doing fine with pre-algebra (we are doing fine together) so I don't want to paint an overly negative picture of our math abilities. I think, compared to what many dc are doing as seen on this forum, that we are just not as mathematically inclined as others. LOL Advice, thoughts, etc. please! Thanks!:001_smile:
  18. We are using Singapore with my younger kids, and used it with my older 2 through 6B. Then we struggled with finding a good program for upper math, but finally found Lial's Intermediate with my older son, who is doing great with it. So this time how should we transition from Singapore to Lial's? 6B to BCM? 5B to BCM? 6B to Introductory Algebra? What about Geometry? I don't feel a need to rush them, but I don't want to bore them to tears if there is too much overlap between 6B and BCM. I know this is down the road, but I don't want to repeat my mistakes with this group of kids and waste years re-doing Algebra. Again. thank you!
  19. Hi there! My DS is a second grader. We've been using Singapore Math for a couple of years, and he recently started SM 2b. We may or may not finish it over the summer. I plan to use SM through 6b. Looking ahead, I'm just wondering what people use after SM. I would like him to be prepared to take Algebra 1 in 8th grade. I don't mean to push him too fast, but he seems to really get math and I want to make sure that he stays on track. Also, if you have ideas for math progression beyond 8th, I'd be interested to hear that as well (might be better to ask this on the high school board). Thanks! Amy
  20. Ds (11) is currently a 6th grader and completed the Sing Math Primary Math series in Oct 2008. We had just made a cross country move and I was dealing with health issues so I did not want to jump in with an Algebra program without doing more research. I decided to have him finish the CWP and IP books we still had added in Zaccarro’s Prim Grade Challenge Math and a few other miscellaneous books borrowed from the library. A few years ago I purchased Dolciani’s 1977 Edition of Pre-Algebra so I decided to start that this fall even though I know some kids go straight into Alg after SM6. I wanted to solidify concepts before moving onto Alg. Well, ds is not thrilled with the book – doesn’t like the format (it is an old textbook) and says that he already knows this stuff. So we have just been doing a few problems from each section. Am I just wasting his time because of my insecurity of making sure there are no gaps? I already own NEM 1 (actually two copies of the set…don’t ask) but it scares the life out of me. I am NOT a math whiz and never took Advanced Alg. Ds likes the sample pages of Discovering Math but I feel like he needs to get used to a different format. I borrowed Jacob’s Elem Alg but ds found it too wordy which makes me think that LoF will not be a great fit either. I considered Russian Math but without solutions I don’t think I would be able to handle it. I would love to use Foerster with the DVDs from Math without Borders but I have never seen the text in person and wanted to get some advice before purchasing more stuff. I also own a used copy of the Chalkdust Elem Alg text and could try that but I’ve read that it is a college text and may not be appropriate for younger kids. After cruising along through elementary level math I find myself spinning wheels trying to figure out where to go next. My math resource shelf has grown exponentially in the past year!! I think the fact that math is an impt subject I feel more pressure to not mess up. Also ds is mathy and I don’t want to ruin his love for the subject by picking the wrong curriculum. Although, lately math hasn’t been fun for him which is why I thought I should get some advice. Any thoughts, suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to read this post. Sorry if I rambled. I lost my first posting when the boards logged me out so I had to retype this.
  21. Ds (11) is currently a 6th grader and completed the Sing Math Primary Math series in Oct 2008. We had just made a cross country move and I was dealing with health issues so I did not want to jump in with an Algebra program without doing more research. I decided to have him finish the CWP and IP books we still had added in Zaccarro’s Prim Grade Challenge Math and a few other miscellaneous books borrowed from the library. A few years ago I purchased Dolciani’s 1977 Edition of Pre-Algebra so I decided to start that this fall even though I know some kids go straight into Alg after SM6. I wanted to solidify concepts before moving onto Alg. Well, ds is not thrilled with the book – doesn’t like the format (it is an old textbook) and says that he already knows this stuff. So we have just been doing a few problems from each section. Am I just wasting his time because of my insecurity of making sure there are no gaps? I already own NEM 1 (actually two copies of the set…don’t ask) but it scares the life out of me. I am NOT a math whiz and never took Advanced Alg. Ds likes the sample pages of Discovering Math but I feel like he needs to get used to a different format. I borrowed Jacob’s Elem Alg but ds found it too wordy which makes me think that LoF will not be a great fit either. I considered Russian Math but without solutions I don’t think I would be able to handle it. I would love to use Foerster with the DVDs from Math without Borders but I have never seen the text in person and wanted to get some advice before purchasing more stuff. I also own a used copy of the Chalkdust Elem Alg text and could try that but I’ve read that it is a college text and may not be appropriate for younger kids. After cruising along through elementary level math I find myself spinning wheels trying to figure out where to go next. My math resource shelf has grown exponentially in the past year!! I think the fact that math is an impt subject I feel more pressure to not mess up. Also ds is mathy and I don’t want to ruin his love for the subject by picking the wrong curriculum. Although, lately math hasn’t been fun for him which is why I thought I should get some advice. Any thoughts, suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to read this post. Sorry if I rambled. I lost my first posting when the boards logged me out so I had to retype this. I'm cutting and pasting this from a Word document so I hope it formats OK.
  22. My ds8 is finishing up Miquon this year. If I was, in theory, planning to do the following: 4th Grade: 5th Grade: 6th Grade: 7th Grade: Mathematics: A Human Endeavor 8th Grade: Algebra I (possibly Jacobs) 9th Grade: Geometry (possibly Jacobs) 10th Grade: Algebra II 11th Grade: PreCalc? 12th Grade: Calc? What would you recommend for 4th-6th? I've considered MEP, Singapore, the Japanese Math that has some good buzz, or a combination of the three. This is a very science-minded kid, so I'm planning based on the idea that he'd want to get into a college with a competitive science program, and the sciencey hs kids I tutor are usually doing the above. So, if we don't do exactly this it's no skin off my nose, but I don't want him to have to play catch up later.
  23. I thought I had this figured out, but after reading comments, I'm not sure anymore. I don't want to mess my kids up in math because I feel math is extremely important. I have no clue if any of them want to go on to math/science intensive fields when they get to college (that's still a LONG ways off) so I feel it's better to go with the assumption that they will, until they get to high school and can decide for themselves. I have no clue what my goals should be. Should they do Algebra I in 8th grade? I did Algebra I in 9th grade (and I'm NOT mathy at all) and my very mathy DH did Algebra I in 8th grade. My kids will be going to public school for high school, so I don't know if that makes any difference. What are you planning to do for middle school math? Or if you have a high schooler, what did they do?
  24. I posted about my daughter needing a much more extensive Algebra review after coming back from summer 1/2 way through VideoText. Through this process we've discovered that she needs a more long term "spiral" because math isn't her strongest subject so I've come up with this plan and I thought I'd get some feedback. She's currently in 8th grade. Definately College-prep. 8th grade - VideoText Algebra with Foerster extra problems. We are starting from the beginning and should finish since the first 1/2 we've done before. That will take us through Algebra I and Algebra II concepts. 9th grade - Teaching Textbooks Geometry. I know Geometry concepts will be the most difficult for her so I thought a simple introduction would be a good start. 10th grade - Algebra II/Trig using Foerster's. From the scope and sequence, this book covers much of the same as VT Algebra 1 and 2 with additional trig materials. That would give her Algebra reviews and start trig. 11th grade - VideoText Geometry, which includes, Geometry, Trig and Pre-calc. This would review Geometry at a deeper level than TT while reviewing it as well. It would review Trig and get started in Pre-Calc. The program is 176 lessons covering all three subjects so if she's really got alot of the concepts since much would be review we could do it in one year. If not, we do it over 11th and 12th grade. 12th grade - either finish VT or if we finished it in 11th, do Calculus (not sure with what yet but I have some time LOL). Does that sound reasonable? It seems like it would naturally build in review and depth. Heather
  25. If you had it to do all over again, would you push through and get to algebra at an early age even though maturity may not be there or would you rather take your time working on basic math skills and perhaps use a secondary curriculum to make sure that they have a good foundation and do algebra at the normal time? I thought it would be interesting to see what homeschoolers who are more experienced might have to say. My oldest is on track to start algebra in 5th grade but I am thinking of taking our time so that she doesn't start until 8th. Thanks.:001_smile:
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