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  1. Someone, anyone, just tell me what to do and I will do it. I promise!! We just do not "do" it. I want to do it..the kids want to do it....we just don't....please just tell me what to do. :confused::confused::confused::confused: WTM notebooks don't happen. We have such good intentions and we try, but alas, not so much. My children are (in the fall) 7th grade boy (only mildly interested) and 3rd grade girl (VERY clever and VERY highly motivated) I just can't reinvent the wheel, so I would love to combine at least on some level. Secular would be preferable (though we are Christian). I'll do some experiments. I'll buy extra books. I just need a plan!
  2. Science was my favorite subject in school, and here I am, hardly ever getting to it during our school week with my kids! I have a 6th grader, 4th grader, and a 3rd grader. After assessing our year so far, I think we are right on track with our grammar, writing, spelling, literature, reading, math, Latin, piano, and history. (whew! haha) BUT, I really want to do science with the kids. If only because I find it a fascinating subject. I read TWTM chapter on science, and was SO INSPIRED. I almost stood up and shouted: "We will be just like Aristotle!" I purchased the Great Science Adventures, Discovering the Ocean, as per the recommendation in The Well Trained Mind, fourth edition. But, ... I'm not crazy about it. It feels awkward, and I thought we'd love all the cutting, gluing, etc, but I'm finding the sheets awkward to photocopy successfully. And, again, I just want to open to each day's "to do" for the lesson. I want it clearly laid out. If there are worksheets, I want to buy the additional copies needed and not have to perform photocopying gymnastics. I would love to hear if anyone has science curriculum suggestions that work well with multiple ages, and helps to incorporate the methodology in TWTM. I personally love FLL, WWE, WWS, and such that are completely scripted/laid out day by day! I cannot stress enough how much I love that type of curriculum. :) I would even be willing to spend more money in this area than I have for our other subjects. I feel like I lack the time to create successful lesson plans on my own (we also have a toddler and are looking into fostering a newborn). Any ideas fellow homeschoolers? Something you use that might fit our needs? OR, you use Discovering the Ocean and can tell me how you successfully implement it (the first experiment didn't make sense to me and so I think that combined w/the amount of paper manipulating caused me to lose heart)? Maybe I should give Discovering the Ocean another go? I just bought a couple science encyclopedias off Amazon about the Ocean so that we'd have some color photos. So, maybe I just need to be told to suck it up and finish the curriculum. ;)
  3. Like many on this board, I read Lewelma's threads and posts with great interest. Thanks to her, I'm dedicating the last 6 weeks of school (could be 8) to a science investigation/inquiry of their choice - for both ds10 and dd6. I'm happy that I've always stressed reading from nonfiction. In fact, I believe if ds had a choice, he would prefer nonfiction. Last year he read a lot and this year I'm going to add in biographies as well. Basically this is what we do for science: we use BFSU, read a living book to accompany the topic, and this year I bought a middle school science text titled Behold and See 5 to enhance what we do. In history we're also reading scientist bios (doing SOTW 4). We also do Nature Study once a week. Next year, for 6th, I plan on going through an actual textbook (The Way Life Works). Believe it or not, I already have science pretty much planned for 7 and 8 too ;) I just read Lewelma's post on Middle School Science about tailoring the science to the kid. Ruth, if you're willing to even just critique my future plans for ds, please let me know. I'd be very glad to hear! Let me know if you need any more information. Thanks for any insight you can give me.
  4. Hi, I'm looking into chemistry options for my rising 7th grader. I've seen Conceptual Chemistry mentioned a number of times. I'm looking for reviews of the book from those who have used it. In addition to knowing how well it worked for you, I have some other questions. Did you use the new 4th edition (it is quite expensive!)? Text or ebook? Did you use any of the supplements like the student workbook or lab manual? Thanks so much for your help! Angela
  5. I would like to take a poll of the Middle School Science textbook/Curriculum you use. *CPO *Science Explorer *BJU *ABEKA *TOPS *AIM *Rainbow *TWTM *Quarks and Quirks *Other, please state your other
  6. Or anyone else who wants to jump in, please do. (As if I have to add that on the WTM boards, lol.) Alte Veste, I have been reading several of your older post on inquiry based science and it really resonates with me. I would like to shift our science study in that direction after the new year. Prior to this science has tended to go in different ways here. It's either no science at all, follow a program which never lasts, try interest based which also never lasts, just read some books and watch dvds and call it a day. None of these is consistent or satisfactory. I really do think science should be based on their curiosity and questioning and I want to work with that. I have just been bumbling about, trying or not, to figure out how. So, I have some specific questions and then maybe just need a bit of hand holding. I know that may be a tall order, but if you have time can you answer some questions. I see that you say you start with the rabbit trails. Then further down in this previous post http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1947203#post1947203 you explain the 5E model. E1 says conduct demonstration or read a book to hook the kids. I'm a little confused how the rabbit trail aspect fits into that. Do you choose the demonstration or book based on a rabbit trail? Or do you start with a topic of your choosing, demonstrate or read, and then pick up on any rabbit trails that stem from there? Also you mention a question board. Can you elaborate on this a bit more? Ditto with discovery boxes. Photos appreciated.:) I am planning to get some of the books you mentioned, but as I just discovered this yesterday I don't have my hands on anything just yet and I am eager to learn about this. I think I will have more questions, but this is just to get started. I'm a bit nervous as my previous record in science (and many parts of hsing) is not solid in the stick-to-it area. I am also concerned that this will take a lot of time both to understand and to implement. However, I am highly motivated at this point, as this just seems right. Thank you for any help.
  7. Are there any other options for science for 7th grade beyond Apologia general sceicne? It is not a winner so far with us. eta--I guess I just figured we had to do general science for 7th grade. We want something christian based. Apologia general science just seems so dry. She is not a huge fan of science anyway. I really wanted to find something fun and interesting but also don't have a $200 to spend.
  8. What science programs are there for logic stage? We tried Science Explorer this year and it bombed majorly.
  9. I have been searching and searching for a science curriculum for my 12 yo son for this coming year and am coming up blank. We used K12 independently for 2 years and he really liked the online, interactive aspect of it, but honestly we just couldn't afford it any longer. This past year we used Apologia and while I really liked it, my son was bored to death. Can you help me figure out what would be a good fit? I have looked at Pearson's Interactive Science and that appeals to us, but I can''t figure out if that is something that is available to homeschoolers or just schools. Also not sure how the cost would work out, since it looks like it would be several books each year. While something online or DVD might be better, we basically just need something fun and engaging. I am down to the wire here and completely burned out and even more confused from looking around. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. If you have any questions, ask away! :)
  10. I'm looking for a complete science program, secular in nature for my middle schooler that loves science. I'm hoping for something that isn't dry but that can continue to keep his interests going. He tends to do a lot of reading and watching of the discovery channel but is hesitant to do actual, science work, anything structured. He's getting to the age where I feel he needs more structure. I'm probably asking for a lot, but I'm hoping too that such program can be adapted to my second grader too--also a science fanatic. Does such a program exist? Any suggestions?
  11. I'm revamping science at our house. DS #1 wants to do some oceanography, particularly deep ocean stuff. So I'm helping him to design an independent study project. I'm thinking of using the Blue Planet videos (one episode per week) with related reading and research online. I found some cool education resources on the NOAA website. I'll try to add more links as we run into them.
  12. Sorry guys but I am starting a new thread. I really need a list of rigorous science curriculam (secular or christian -just no apologia please!!)...Bear with me please... :D If it is not Christian I plan to subsitute with creation based young earth materail so secular is fine....no problem with it. I know several have mentioned BJU in other threads. If I were to do BJU what grade level would be best suited?? Could you list what you think is rigourous and why? I really need to figure this out by July. This is for rising 8th grader but we are thinking about having him do 5 yrs of high school instead of 4 so with that in mind....could you list the rigorous curriculam for middle school years for 7th or 8th grader?? Thank you so much! I will make sure this is the last science thread I start. I know it has been a redundant subject thread here. ;) Holly
  13. I was reading this mega thread on science curriculum from a while back. The section on lab reports especially got me thinking. I'm now wondering what are my goals for science for 7th and 8th grade? It seems like the general intro phase of the grammar stage is well behind me. My kids will grab science books and consume them willy nilly. It is honestly hard to keep up. I'm not sure that starting high school level science is the right choice for a couple of reasons. But I want to make sure that I've given them the skills of science study, experimentation and documentation that will allow them to suceed when they do hit high school science. Any thoughts? Updated to add: What are the goals and objectives that you have for logic stage science? Is there something like the grammar stage goal of learning to read or learning to count and add? What skills or habits or abilities should a student entering high school have already mastered?
  14. I am working on next year's plans. My daughter will be in grade 6. She will be using Mysery of History I -- Creation to Christ. So, she will be covering the ancients. I keep trying to find a science plan for this historical timeframe. Is there a list anywhere that will help coorelate this? I have been reading threads, looking at curriculum sites and catalogs (HOD, MFW, SONLIGHT) and each seems to follow their own pattern. I guess if I don't find a pattern, I am leaning towards chemistry and physics just because she hasn't done much of those before. Thanks for any suggestions.
  15. We have enjoyed using Rod & Staff Science (3-6), but I'm not getting the same warm fuzzies from their new 7th grade book. I'm looking for a textbook (works well with this particular child). Secular would be fine. Any suggestions?
  16. Does anyone know of some free info on electronics that uses Snap Circuits? I'm looking for something that would walk a kid through what the different components are and why the circuits work the way they do. Also if anyone has used the Teacher's Guide and study materials that Elenco sells for Snap Circuits and could provide a review, I'd appreciate it.
  17. Well, I had a rather non-caffeine and very-blonde moment asking for input for ES, being that it was only released a month ago or so, LOL:lol: I blame my inability to stand an witness time to the overwhelming need of my company to be PCI DSS compliant. (No, it just sounds way smart. I know what you thinking already.) OK, here is a list that I have started. I have not had any contact with many of these items. I would appreciate your suggestions to be added to the list as well as your comments on what you have used that you suggest or see on the list. Naturally, it is assumed we will be using some of the DK, Eyewitness, or Usborne texts. :) If you had a favorite title, please mention. I found this one in particular: Kingfisher Knowledge: Genes and DNA These are all by F. Balkwill and M. Rolph: Cells are Us Cell Wars DNA is Here to Stay Amazing Schemes Inside Your Genes Microbes Bugs and Wonder Drus From a previous post: Scientists in the Field Series (The Frog Scientist, The Snake Scientist, The Tarantula Scientist, The Bug Scientist, Project Seahorse, etc. Rough Science (http://www.open2.net/roughscience/ , also available on Netflix) And some more: A Drop of Blood (Paul Showers, Harper and Row Publishers) Germs Make Me Sick (Melvin Berger) Ouch (Melvin Berger) Building Blocks in Life Science: From Genes & Genesis to Science & Scripture (Gary Parke) My Name Is Gene & Fun with Gene (Eskeland Bailey) The Body Book(Acitivity/Assembly, Silver and Wynne) Micro Mania (Brown) Blood and Guts (Allison) Official guide to Germs (Marsh) The Herbarium: A Botanical Collection Notebook (not a resource but interesting, Castle Heights Press) YOUR TURN! They Came From DNA The Way We Work(Macaulay) Exploring the Way Life Works(Hoagland)
  18. I borrowed a couple of these off a friend, and I love them! The kids love them! The equipment really IS about the house and I like the scope of what they teach. So other TOPS users, I'd love feedback on what units you have liked and which you have not liked so much. Getting them to Australia is expensive, and they are not commonly available 2nd hand. I'm particularly thinking this year of physics type units.
  19. Who else is going to use this next year? I am. I've already got my copy. I've glanced over it in my free time (yeah right) and I'm pretty happy with it. I tried to build my own biology this year, and it just was such a mess, we ended up going to ES Chemistry. I'm looking forward to it, and so are the kids; they seem to "prefer" biology/life science. must get that from me lol
  20. I'm considering using Apologia General Science or Physical Science next year. I have very science oriented, strong readers. I don't generally have a problem with a creation oriented text. But I'm wondering how much I'm going to bump heads with the book in the section relating to geology and fossils. Our family does a lot of fossil hunting in our free time. I guess I would describe us as believers in a created universe who don't ascribe to a young earth timeline. Could someone with the book give me an idea of how these topics are addressed?
  21. This was recommended on a local homeschool board. I have no personal experience but thought someone here might like to take a look. http://www.middleschoolchemistry.com/
  22. My son is a strong reader and has enjoyed going beyond the textbook in biology and chemistry with living books. However, I want something like The Mystery of the Periodic Table for physics. I'm not looking for theoretical physics or astrophysics, just the basics. Nor do I want stand alone "science" books on the topics. I'd like something narrative. Here are our topics: motion, forces and energy thermal energy and heat waves sound light electricity magnetism Thanks!
  23. Is it just me, or do you sometimes wonder if science is "dumbed down" for all of us homeschool parents who have trouble understanding it? I think homeschoolers have a reputation for being really bright in the English/literature area but severely lacking in the sciences. I bought RS4K Chemistry this year thinking it would be a great program. My husband took one look at the book and said, "I could teach this whole book to ds in about a week." Granted, I was only expecting it to last 1/2 a semester, but boy that was an expensive program to be so "meatless"!! Has anyone found a science program for the middle grade that you feel is competitve with what the public schools are using?
  24. My mind is swimming, well drowning, actually when it comes to teaching science in the logic stage and then on to high school. I could use a little guidance/advice from those of you with older kids. My biggest issue *right now* is that I can't decide what to study next year so I thought maybe I will work backwards from high school. But then I get really confused, because, to be honest, my brain can't think *that* far ahead. So basically, I have grades 5, 6, 7, 8 and the topics of Bio, Chem, Physics, Earth/Space to work with and could use some WWYD advice. Is there an ideal order to study these in? Which is easiest to cover, which is hardest? It seems like a lot of the Earth/Space texts for middle school are aimed at grade 8- is this the best one to save for "last"? But then again, it doesn't seem like any of the CPO texts are do-able by a child in 5th and I certainly can't cram 4 topics in 3 years. Why is it that there doesn't seem to be much out there for 5th and even 6th? From what I've read on these boards about Rainbow Science (and am I the only one who thinks their website is lacking? :glare:) it seems that it's geared towards gr. 7/8 as well. I'm leaning towards studying one topic per year and likely using a textbook (supplemented by living books but a text so I can more closely monitor what is being done/learned and not have to do the ground work myself). That's all I know. So far, I'm considering CPO, Prentice Hall, Rainbow and possibly using the Harcourt texts that Kolbe uses but instead of going by grade like they do, buying several grades and studying by topic. I don't even know what I want to use, probably because I haven't chosen a topic. I do know that with how our family is and with having littles, that I'm not going to have the time, energy, or mental stamina to piece together stuff like I read some WTM posters doing. I'd love to be able to do it but I have to accept my limitations. Plus I will still have history to wrestle with. Basically I'm having a hard time finding something for grades 5 & 6 that is solid, fairly rigorous (and includes labs), and planned out for me. I do not know which topics to study during these years so I can find materials that are the most age appropriate. What made/helped you decide what to study and when in middle school? Thanks for any advice you can offer.
  25. We got the materials in the mail! I was surprised at how nicely it is laid out for me. We're going to start with Life Through Time. Are there any creatures/plants/lava dirt that you needed to order online? Is there anything else I need to know? Did you skip over anything or make any changes? We also got River Cutters, Plate Tectonics and Earth, Moon and Stars. I cannot look through those yet, as Life Through Time is overwhelming enough! :D
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