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  1. I have such a tendency to over load my book choices for the year and then I get overwhelmed....so can anyone recommend which book would be best for a smart 9 yr. old boy? I wanted to incorporate one day of reading a fun living math book for Friday's (something to look forward to and know I should probably pick one to make it last for the whole year) otherwise it would be read in a day and his takeaway wouldn't be much! 😛 Which do you find best for the age and for the material learned? Thanks!! · The Number Devil: A Mathematical Adventure OR The Adventures of Penrose the Mathematical Cat
  2. My 10-year-old ds is so math intuitive. It makes our math teaching time so wonderful as he gets it easily, can calculate in his head and I can even add on to the lesson for extra fun. My 7-year-old? Math facts are not coming. She has no intuitive sense of numbers and their patterns. So. I decided this week to just set the whole math book aside and play. Right now, I don't have any game plan. I know where she is in her understanding and where she needs to be. We're playing with money, fractions, 100 boards, cuisenaire rods, dominoes, base tens, the white board, card games. I want to enjoy math again. And I want her to enjoy it. Right now, the sweet thing throws out these wild guesses and I can tell she has not at all absorbed the pattern of numbers. Anyone else done this successfully? What did you use, what did you love? Lisa
  3. I'm thinking of the Good Books in terms of their being *real* stories - written primarily to be a good, enjoyable piece of writing, not primarily as a tool to *teach* something about writing or language - yet they *are* useful at deepening our children's understanding of language. Thus the idea of the Good Books as preparation for the Great Books. My best guess is that the math equivalent of this would be math problem books, written primarily for the joy of solving them (not as hidden vehicles to teach math) - instead of offering up an interesting story for others to enjoy, the creator is offering up interesting math to enjoy. And once you get a certain amount of math under your belt, there's quite a few of those out there that I've been able to find. But mostly those require you to be at least through elementary math (often basic algebra and geometry, too). I haven't really seen any for early math outside of curricula like Miquon, MEP, and CSMP. And as awesome as those curricula are, I *also* want to have a bunch of math-for-fun books around to do with my dc the way I've been reading to them since they were little. Idk, maybe, just as baby books are mind-numbingly boring to parents (as are most early readers, and most beginning piano pieces for children, etc.) - the kids' ability is too limited for anything accessible to them to have intrinsic interest - there's a certain amount of math ability/development that is needed in order to do anything interesting, and kids hit that point in math later than they hit that point in language. Or maybe the problem is *me* - that I am used to reading to my dc, am comfortable with it, even in the face of toddler distractions ;) - in a way that I am *not* used to doing with math. I read living math sites a lot a few years back, and my recollection was that they were more about taking advantage of the math opportunites already present in your everyday life than how to use outside sources of for-real-math with your dc the way we read books to them (and so introduce words and ideas to them that they wouldn't have otherwise seen in their everyday life), but they still might been helpful for getting into a mathy lifestyle ala Bravewriter's writing lifestyle. Or maybe, just as I read them out-of-level books to stretch them (so long as they enjoy it), I should just pick up some easier-but-still-real math puzzle books and do them with them even if they don't have all the prerequisite knowledge and I'm doing most of the heavy lifting. Or maybe I should just concentrate on carving out time to play cards and dominos and chess with them, sit down and build with them, and call it a day.
  4. Hi all, I am interested in combining SOTW vol 1 with Living Math C1U1. I am finding Living Math's format really difficult to work with--- too much of a good thing. I am lost! Has anyone already compiled a complementary list of living math books that go well with SOTW chapters? Any help would be appreciated! TIA! Jennifer
  5. My 7 year old has really taken to the LOF books in the past couple of weeks. He has read all of the elementary series, and parts of the Fractions, Decimals and Percents, and Physics books. I know he's just reading and not working the problems, but I figure he's got to be absorbing some of those math concepts along the way. I'd love to find more math-oriented books with an interesting story line similar to Life of Fred. What can you recommend?
  6. My 1st grader just finished up Saxon Math 1.....I think we are going to take a break for a couple months to get some things down pat before moving to Saxon 2. Has anyone used this Living Math book? This is the first one.....not sure if I should do this one or start with Living Math 2. http://www.angelaodell.com/math-lessons-for-a-living-education/book-1/ I thought it might be a change from Saxon Math for a bit. I bought the package of Right Start games from someone on the classifieds to help with math facts.....but I do need something daily to keep us on track. I guess I could just go through Saxon 1 and see what ds had trouble with and keep reviewing until mastered......Any advice? Change is always refreshing, eh?!
  7. I must not be doing the search correctly, but I am trying to find the thread that lists math books (fiction). Dd asked how come there are stories about everything but math...so I want to get her some. Anyone know the link?
  8. My younger likes LOF, but is LOVING I Hate Math by Marilyn Burns. To be honest, I hadn't looked at it because I dislike the title so much, but after putting aside my reservations we checked it out of the library and it's chock-full of just the kind of hands-on math fun, "magic" math tricks and puzzles that younger likes. Would love other recommendations along these lines. I know of Murderous Maths (and he would love the comic-book approach) and he enjoyed the Beast Academy sample we received (anyone know when this is coming out?) but looking for something that perhaps doesn't SEEM like math....:tongue_smilie:
  9. I'm intrigued by the idea of Math Journals, and by MOTL's 5-a-day concept (I've been enjoying the ideas on blogshewrote). I'd love to just have a math hour with the kids, going through new concepts (one on one or as a group), maybe reading a living math book (we like Sir Cumference and The Number Devil) and doing some life math. Then having just a simple notebook to work a few problems in. Perhaps throw in some Life of Fred, and have worksheets like MEP as a supplement. Anyone do something like this? Ideas? Could one use the elementary Life of Fred in this manner? Anyone make a review chart (that's supposed to be the best part of MOTL) from a scope and sequence? I've seen them for graduated review of Bible verses, but never for math. I feel like I've learned a lot from this board, Liping Ma's book and the First Grade Diary. I'd like to make math less have-to-do-this-workbook-page, and more fun/free/game-like.
  10. My dd started 3rd grade at a private school this year. We are very busy and by the time she studies spelling, does her homework, does her required reading, etc..... she is not up for doing more "homework." I need afterschooling things that are fun and can be done in short increments (like the Right Start games.) She is doing Saxon in school. We are using Right Start games, Sum Swamp, card games, computer games, wrap-its, flashcards, etc... to keep up her facts. So, I want to go deeper with her. Something like Singapore Challenging Word Problems, but not in that format? Logic puzzles? Computer games? Good board games? I'm vague, because I don't know what I want. I've thought of chess, but honestly, I only know how the pieces move and I feel like I'm ill-equipped to use that as her deeper thinking exercise. I'm planning on using the CWP over the summer, but I want something we can do during the school year. Something to take the math deeper. Make her really think. Problem solve. :bigear:
  11. I really, really like WTM's LA approach, which to me boils down to teaching explicit skills through living books (a Charlotte Mason thing, which I think of as books that present good ideas in a good - accurate, logical, and aesthetically pleasing - way; in short, good stories, well told). I think of it as having a skills progression list for each LA component (spelling, grammar, writing), a few flexible tools (copywork, dictation, narration, outlining) through which you can teach the skills, using any raw material that you so choose - with the caveat that said material is worth imitating. I've tried for a while to figure out what the conceptual equivalent would be for math. A skills progression is not hard to come by, but what are living books for math? Most "living math books" are twaddle-y stories with rote math shoved in :glare: - an offense to both literature and math. But even with the good ones - ones that present true math in an intriguing way - you still have the question of how do you teach the essential skills through them in a systematic way? With LA, *all* the LA skills are used in any given living book - you can teach whatever spelling rule, whatever grammar rule from any old book you have lying around. Not so with living math books, at least the ones I've seen - you'd need a careful book progression to make it work. But maybe the "book" part of "living book" doesn't really fit with math. Think about it, the end goal of all those LA skills is to be able to read and write well - in effect, to be to comprehend high level written work and to produce written work of your own that, if not high level, is at the very least competent. (An aside: as I think about it, WTM's LA isn't *just* part-to-whole; rather you are immersed in the whole - reading living books - while you systemically learn how that whole is built up; you are getting both the context and the specifics the whole way through.) The end goal of math, however, is *not* to be able to read math in story form and write about math in story form. The end goal of math is either engineering math, the ability to apply math to "real world problems", both to follow others' math and to do the math yourself, or pure math, the ability to comprehend math proofs and write proofs of your own. Thinking of it that way, "living math" would consist of solved problems and proofs, ones that could be comprehended by the student at their current level (probably with help), but not necessarily ones they could solve themselves. Now where do we find such things? And how do we use them to teach our progression of skills? As to finding such things, there's the standard unschooling/living math technique of using daily life to provide problems - talk them out as you solve them. You can solve out of level problems for/with you dc, explaining as you go; I read about one mom who did an SAT math practice problem each day with all her dc from a youngish age, talking them through and asking leading questions. Probably any collection of interesting problems could be used this way - math competition problems would be a great source, I think. Plus you could look for interesting problems in history. I'm just brainstorming, here - I only just thought of this angle. Proofs are a little more interesting ;) - have to get creative here. I have a book of visual proofs that's interesting, though not sure how accessible it is to youngish kids. You can demonstrate proofs with cuisenaire rods and other manipulatives. Geometric constructions might be good. Math history might be a good source. But how to make sure they are *good* problems, not tedious or twaddly? And how to find elegant proofs for the elementary set? As for how to teach math through these sources - what flexible tools to use - I have no idea :tongue_smilie:. Yet ;). But at the least we could go the WTM LA-with-textbooks approach easily enough - where you spend time with living materials, but use textbooks to teach the skills. So that would be basically adding working and talking through out-of-level problems and proofs, preferably interesting or intriguing ones, to a regular math program - letting them see what math can be like, what it can do. Which would be valuable, I think. But I'd love to figure how to actually teach math through those sources (in a way that avoids the problems of new, new math ;)) - the key would be, I think, teaching the skills explicitly and systemically (which progressive math avoids). But what would be the math equivalent of copywork, narration, outlining - the tools by which we interact at an ever higher level with our source material? Given that The Elements is basically nothing more than a collection of solved proofs, and was used as a text for millennia, I bet the traditional approach there would be illuminating - I just haven't yet been able to find it :glare:. Anyway, that's probably enough to be getting on with - thoughts?
  12. We have been enjoying a living math approach. I have a lot of neat books but at this point I just do lessons randomly. When we start 1st grade I'd like to have some sort of schedule or sequence as to what order to introduce new concepts etc... I have a list of concepts that should be understood in K, 1st grade and so on... but I want to make sure I'm introducing concepts so that they flow smoothly and build upon one another. Any ideas? TIA:)
  13. Looking at Google's News and I see " ...$2.1 Trillion ... debt ... plan", hmm that doesn't sound so bad a 2, and a dot, and a 1. Trillion. The Trillion goes down past the tongue , sure I know it's larger than a billion, but so what, no gut impact. I do a little more surfing around the web and I come across this cool little visualization; 30,000 years = 1 Trillion seconds. Wow, felt that one, huge huge number. Teachable moment math-wise I guess. What are some things that have helped you get the sense of scale to your students?
  14. Anyone have any living math experiences to share? I've dabbled in it in the past, but I'm seriously thinking about devoting this fall (maybe longer) to a living math approach. I'm so burnt out on traditional math curricula at the moment. My girls are 3rd and 1st grades. :bigear:
  15. I'm thinking of having my two youngest just read, read, read (the others have graduated). I've got at least a thousand books in this house on nearly every subject - lots of history, historical fiction, biography, etc. - so I feel silly spending any more money just so I can have something that's laid out all neat and tidy (not to mention a serious lack of funds :D.) The only evaluation will be having them write a bit about what they are reading. I'm even going to do this with math - just read about math and do some real-life application stuff like cooking and building something. They both hate math and find it a huge struggle so I'm hoping that taking a year to just talk about math, the history of math and using math in real life will give them some time away and perhaps motivate them. Am I nuts???? (OK, don't answer that - just tell me if it's doable, lol).
  16. DS enjoys math but I want to do some non-workbooky, more "real life" math activities with him. He's in MM 1A and MEP 1 as far as level, which program would we enjoy more? Kitchen Table Math or the Livingmath.net lessons? It seems that the second are tied more to the history cycle, and we have not started that yet. If anyone has any information about either of these two programs I'd appreciate it.
  17. I'm not sure what I'm asking, but I've got a kid who learns differently. If we can have a "conversation" about it, she does great. I know how to do that with history. I know how to do that with science. Thanks to MCT, we do this with grammar, but I'm at a loss as to how to do this with math. Ds is doing LoF, which I think will be great for dd when she gets to that point, but she's not there yet. And...something even more story-based than that would really be great, I think. I've requested things like The Grapes of Math from the library, but there are only a few titles covering a limited number of topics (few of which deal w/ things she needs to focus on). Iow, it might be a good start, but...I guess more than a particular math-story, I'm looking for...a teaching skill/style I can learn/adapt. I found some books on this subject (teaching math through literature) on Amazon, but they're kind-of expensive w/ no preview & not avail in my library. :glare: Ideas? I'm interested in reviews of the teaching books as well as ideas for how to do this. TIA! :001_smile: ETA: One more thing. The other "conversation-based" subjects we do aren't skill-based, so we can do them together. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this kind of approach to a subject with only one kid at a time.
  18. I am putting math books away for a few months to focus on concepts and facts. Please share your favorite math games .... links if you have any... I am looking for both home made and bought, and ones that use our math manipulatives...like geo-boards, pattern blocks, or cuisinairre rods. Please share! Faithe
  19. Can you share your favorites? We've enjoyed The Number Devil, The Grapes of Math by Greg Tang and Math Appeal (same author) as well as the Sir Cumference books for younger. For younger, we also love the Math Starts books and the Marily Burns books. I'm primarily looking for books similar in challenge and approach to Penrose, but am open to hearing about others !!!
  20. for grade K-3 for Math, what sort of plan do you follow? I will have a Pre-K , K and 2nd grader and I would like to just use books,manipulatives, games and the white board. I just need a plan of attack:001_huh: If you do math this way, could you explain what a lesson looks like at your house? And, If you say, OK we will start with addition, do you keep working on just that until they have that mastered and then move to the next concept, or do you just read, play games and do white board activities in a varied way and check things off on a list?
  21. I'm looking for any sort of educational games good for 7 years old and up. Thanks!
  22. I know about Living Math books, but I was wondering in there was a book like LoF for little ones which covers addition, subtraction, multiplication, division and maybe telling time, measuring, calendars etc. in a story. Anything like this? Faithe
  23. We are almost at the end of RSM level A. DD has never liked math, when she comes across something that she does not understand she shuts down and refuses to try. I have taken things very slowly and have done level A over almost 1 1/2 years now. There are about 15 lessons left and I have stopped moving forward. We are going to spend the next few months just playing the games and trying to come up with fun, real life examples of math. I have ordered Games for Math by Peggy Kaye this week as well, so I hope there will be some ideas in there. DD is a great reader and auditory learned in general, she can memorize facts in moments, it frustrates her to no end that she does not get these concepts. Any ideas for us? We need to make Math fun for her before it becomes too much of a struggle.
  24. I hope this isn't TOO silly a question but I'm new here so here I go. I have heard the term "living math" books on this forum and am confused. What are they? Are they a supplement to a math curriculum? Is there a list somewhere of suggestions? Why do you use them? Thanks
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