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  1. Just after Y2K, there was a developing Latin Centered movement that predated the book Latin Centered Curriculum; Memoria Press was in its infancy. Some of that movement fizzled after the publication of the book LCC. Those that were not defined by the book were left without the very label they had created. I know I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my signature, that I had been using before the book was even written, never mind published, when it was used so extensively in the book. My youngest graduated. His education was more Greek focused than Latin, anyway. I moved onto tutoring mostly ESL and LD students. I had other things to focus on. But, now, over a decade later, as I'm taking a very serious look at what Latin Centered means, I just thought I would throw it up as a topic of discussion. Talking about LCC and Memoria Press is fine, but they are NOT always what I am talking about at all. I'd like to disregard the boundaries set by MP, both restrictions and permissions. I'd like to look far beyond what they offer for sale. What is a Latin Centered Education? Is it a good model of education in 2017? What are the costs in time, money, etc.? What is Latin centered history? Rose Williams wrote a set of two history books that span ancient history through the reformation. I got each of them for a penny, but they have not come in yet. https://www.amazon.com/Romulus-Augustulus-Roman-History-Millennium/dp/0865166919/ref=pd_bxgy_14_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0865166919&pd_rd_r=8RP00YAMNQRQNQD1HZD8&pd_rd_w=K6OhA&pd_rd_wg=kiLzP&psc=1&refRID=8RP00YAMNQRQNQD1HZD8 https://www.amazon.com/Rome-Reformation-European-History-Millennium/dp/0865167184/ref=la_B002HD8NBQ_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483296191&sr=1-8 What would work after this set? Who are the Latinists that come next? What is THEIR story? Is Latin centered different than Western centered? How so, in ways narrower, wider, and just plain different? How does math come into this? Are there lesson delivery styles used in Latin instruction, that are going to be similar for math, and attractive to Latin centered teachers and students? Does intensive Latin instruction eat up time, money, and bookshelf space that otherwise might be devoted to math? With a heavy Latin background, does that change science instruction in any way? Composition--is there anything about Latin centered that automatically suggests using a progym style composition curriculum? What are our options for progym beyond some very pricey time consuming leveled curricula?
  2. Does anyone follow LCC fairly strictly? And particularly, has anyone used the scope and sequence successfully for high school? We've used it pretty strictly for the past 3 years, but as my oldest is nearing high school, I just want to make sure he is prepared.
  3. Okay, I finally read A Latin Centered Curriculum, and wish I had read it years ago! My questions now are how do you implement it? Do you do just the basics (Latin, writing, math), or do you include modern studies, etc.? And Latin... I have Getting Started With Latin. Would that be a good starter for kids ages 10 and 12, or is there another (secular please) program that would be a more thorough introduction? Thanks! Off to search the forums for other posts on LCC :001_smile:
  4. I'm new to the Latin Centered Curriculum (LCC) approach and have been reading some of the samples on their site as well as posts about it here on the board. This may be a really silly question, but can anyone tell me where LCC and the Charlotte Mason approach differ from one another? By definition (quality not quantity), LCC wouldn't be defined as a "liberal arts education" unless I'm misunderstanding. It would seem to view some of those subjects taught in a CM model to be extracurricular - important, but not central (or included per se). I'm taking this summer to brush up on some reading and Lord willing, developing deeper philosophical views of education and what it is we are aiming for in it. LCC was not on my list, having never heard about it until very recently....and now I'm intrigued! Thanks for any input you all can give! :)
  5. Hi. I am new to these boards but have read several threads regarding LCC. I just finished the book and am curious if anyone has really embraced the book's suggestions (90% or more). There are parts of it that really appeal to me, but I'm not sure I'm ready to take the plunge. I would love to hear anyone's experiences implementing it. Thanks!
  6. Something I have been wondering is why and what the value is in a Latin centered education. I have seen LCC and Climbing Parnassus recommended here often, and I cannot wait to read them. In the mean time I was hoping to hear peoples thoughts on why and what a Latin Centered education looks like. Feel free to link me to other posts or online articles!
  7. I am about to make a chart (scope, sequence, resources at each grade) to compare them for the primary grades. Has anyone already done this? Just checking to see if I can save myself the work.
  8. Please post your curricular choices and/or schedules for next year for your kids if you consider yourself Latin-centered.
  9. I just received this, and have spent the better part of the afternoon reading it. Can those who have used it, or continue to use it, tell me how it compares to SWB's approach to classical education? Can you explain how your day might differ from a WTM day? I am liking the idea of streamlining our day, focusing on the basics...but the idea of not doing formal science, vocab, spelling, etc kinda.....freaks me out LOL. But I LOVE the idea of delving deeper into a few subjects, and obviously you can't have both! I have subbed to the Yahoo Group and am awaiting confirmation of my subscription, but as we've been following the WTM model for 2 years now, I would love to hear from others on this board about their experience with LCC.
  10. Just curious. I don't see it mentioned much on the boards anymore. Is anyone sticking with it? Is it working out well, or do you feel that you are missing out on some subjects?
  11. I'm very much liking Campbell's Latin Centered Curriculum - it was just what I needed to read this week. Overall, I like his approach, though we use different curriculum than his recommendations (for instance, Miquon for math, Classical Academic Press publications for Latin). His scheduling though really speaks to me. I'm curious how others have implemented it, especially if you are a bit more relaxed. Dh and I decided a while ago (before reading LCC) that certain subjects needed depth and time, while others would be more breadth/survey in nature. But I still feel like I have more than I can fit. Oh, and I also believe in teaching English grammar *and* learning more about English grammar through the study of Latin grammar. (Oh, and I'm not sure we'll tackle Greek; I think we'll do Latin through high school, but also learn at least 2 modern languages before they start college.) Here's my dilemma, and I'm hoping for a little input. Mornings: Latin, math, and "language arts" (grammar, copywork/composition, spelling, and eventually MCT materials) Afternoons: Reading daily (even once they are fluent, I want them to read out loud to me for a few more years, and we aren't there yet). After that, though, I have more "electives" than I think I have days. ;) -History (We are finishing SOTW vol. 2, and I've been debating moving on with ds#1 being 3rd, and ds#2 only being 1st. So I ordered CHOTW, and we are going to do that and then re-introduce SOTW vol. 3 at the appropriate time, I believe. Oh, and I do geography from simple Scholastic workbooks at this time orally.) -Science (We have Singapore Science, MPH for ds#1, the EarlyBird for ds#2, and the PreK for ds#3 because he wants to do what his brothers do.) -Spanish (I want to begin Elementary Spanish from Discovery Education; we will probably being a more formal program like Spanish for Children in 2 years.) -Artist Study (This is built into ds#1's Classical Writing Primer, so I want to do this year; hopefully I'll continue it after as well as I think it is good for the boys and I; we usually look over and talk about the picture/art, and then sometimes try and draw it ourselves using techniques we are learning in our Meet the Master's class with our friends.) -Religion/Bible Study (We are progressive Christians and I just ordered Bible Study for All Ages in hopes of having a nice framework for teaching the boys the Bible; if it doesn't work, then it's just reading and narrating straight from the Bible.) -Nature Study (We did so well with N.S. once a week in the fall and then lost steam; I would like to rekindle it on Friday afternoons.) -Literature (I really like Andrew Campbell's literature suggestions, at least for the younger years, and his reading schedule; my plan is to start with the 1st grade "schedule" and then go from there, as that will hit books that will be close to the interest/level of all boys, at least for now.) Plus, I'm trying to schedule simple read alouds from chapter books (right now we are reading Homer Price after ds#1 had copywork/narration for it from WWE 3 - we do WWE 3 some weeks and CW others). We are not early birds, so school doesn't start until about 9:30. Our morning blocks end up being about 2 to 2 1/2 hours total (with a break inbetween), and our afternoon block is after lunch. Somehow I either need to eliminate elective subjects, school on the weekends, or really figure out how to fit it all without our afternoon block being more than 1 1/2 hours, including about 30 minutes of reading time (one older boy reads to me while the other older boy reads to ds#3 and then they switch). Any suggestions or ideas?
  12. My "ideal" educated child would look like the educated Thomas Jeffersons and George Washingtons. People who started this country knew how to think and reason in their early 20's. They seemed to be able to handle large responsiblities at early ages. The stuff people read back then for general reading was so deep, we have trouble reading it today. I heard about a town in the late 1700's where they used to "draw straws" to pick the next leaders. Everyone was considered to be well educated and able to think well enough to lead well. So, the question is - how do we educate our children when our standard is that high? My husband and I - though college educated never even acheived that type of education and now just don't have the energy as we plop into bed after the kids go to bed. So, how does one go about this? Do we move to the middle of nowhere away from society and only have certain books available to read:001_huh: (lol)? Can this even be done in our society anymore? Beth
  13. I just finished reading LCC 2nd edition and I think this is really what we need in our school. I found myself nodding and agreeing with almost everything in the book. It just makes so much sense. So what do I do now? I'm not too concerned about ds. I can just start him out with the 2nd grade literature, history, and religion recs, even though his skill subjects are on a 3rd grade level. (Ahhh, the beauty of homeschooling!) My main concern is dd9. She will be in 5th next year. I read the chapter about starting in the middle, but I just don't want her to miss all that great history and literature. I pulled her out of ps mid-3rd. We did a little of SOTW1 before going to American history. This year we are doing MFW ECC. I would just hate to skip straight into the middle ages with her. So, if you started LCC later, what did you do? Did you just jump right in or do some background reading first? Do you combine kids or teach them separately for history? I need to see how LCC is actually applied in a homeschool setting before I can figure out what to do. Thanks!
  14. We follow LCC in a pretty relaxed way. Our guiding principle is "multum non multa" rather than "follow this curriculum/schedule." By choice, we've been pretty history heavy until recently, when ds's interest in math/logic has really taken off (to be covered in a separate post!); and we're looking to make some changes. How do you do history? Do you follow the LCC recommendations? How many days per week do you do history? Do you do it chronologically or by interest?
  15. From what I understand of the LCC, you learn the English grammar mostly through translating the Latin into English and vice versa. But you still do need to supplement some with an English grammar program and a progymnasmata writing program and maybe some spelling. Also, there is the dictation and narration the CM way. Not to mention the outlining and summarizing skills the WTM way. Does MCT have all that?
  16. I'm contemplating following more of a LCC schedule next semester and I was just curious who, if anybody, studies Latin and does not find it necessary to study English grammar. In the LCC book, it notes that it's not necessary. However, I did notice that in the jr. high grades that an English grammar text is recommended. We just started LCI and ds is way beyond the grammar that is taught in it. I have no doubt that the further we get, the more complex the grammar will be so, naturally, he will be able to learn/solidify/master English grammar. But leave out English grammar entirely? Really? I'd love to hear a resounding yes:D I'm just curious. I would love to hear from Latin families that have been studying for several years.
  17. I'm in my 3rd year with TOG, and we're in Y1. I use the library for my books with usual success, we are enjoying the geography, and I'm mostly satisfied with the literature. Here's the issue: My oldest is 11. She enjoys history but would like smaller doses of it and would prefer more time on other subjects, especially science. DD8 would likely agree, and I think I agree too. I'm using TOG like a "buffet" so I'm not using EVERYthing it offers, but it still takes a long time. I also have a K'er as part of the mix. Moving forward, I'm not sure TOG presents an approach I definitely want in high school, when I hope to consider a Great Books study, a year of American History, and other topics that step outside of a traditional 4 year cycle. And I'm wondering if it's best to pursue about a less-is-more approach through middle school when it comes to history? SO, would LCC solve these issues? We have & love Latin but can hardly make time for it & haven't progressed this year, perhaps because TOG can sometimes rule the schedule. We have & love CW and wish to continue with it, even though it's time consuming too--very worth it. I feel pressed for time most school days & am wondering if dropping TOG would solve some of these issues. I'm open to suggestions other than LCC as well. Thanks so much!
  18. Ok, Cadam and I have talked about what we'd do, if we started a LCC type co-op. Those that strive to use LCC, what kinds of co-ops do you have, and how do you do memory work with individual levels? I can't think outside of what I'm doing in our CC group. Would we have students divided into actual grades? That are doing LCC at home? Do you see us doing Greek and Latin together. I do have the new LCC edition 2 book and the Living Memory Book, too. All your help is welcomed:-) I don't want a Cottage School right now. I just want to meet maybe one day a week. Carrie:confused:
  19. I'm afraid to ask! but I've seen it in growing numbers and I'm curious about it. What's the format? Total cost per year, or how the cost works? Why you like or dislike? Is it cross over grade friendly (I have lots of dc!) Looking forward to reading on my lunch break!
  20. I'm SURE this has been asked before but I searched for it and couldn't quite find what I was looking for. What are the key differences between a: Latin Centered Curriculum and the Well Trained Mind thought/curriculum Other than Latin being emphasized much more in LCC (at least that's what I took away from the book)
  21. I just received and read LCC and I am very intrigued. One of my biggest questions is if you follow it from K on, how much English grammar do you complete before Latin takes its place? Once you start Latin in 2nd grade, do you stop English grammar or do you continue for a bit, say through 3rd grade, until the child really gets into Latin grammar? Also, I have the new edition, but personally, I think the 3 track history of classical studies, medieval studies and modern studies might work better for our family. Can anyone describe the old scope and sequence?
  22. Ok. I love the idea behind the Latin Centered Curriculum. I ordered a copy and have read it 3 times already. I want to do this. But... Well, the history kills me. A whole year on Egypt? Really? And then there's the fact that in my state we need to teach US/state history and civics by the end of third grade. So under the LCC rotation, we'd be just finishing the Greeks, and US/State history would have to either be seperate or we'd skip the Greeks til 4th grade. Plus, we started this year (1st Grade) with SOTW, so by the beginning of 2nd, we'd already have covered Greeks and Romans. But I really love the idea of studying Greeks and Romans more slowly and in depth. So, advice?? Would it be too much to do SOTW 2 and Classical Studies (Famous Men of Greece/Rome)? I belive Mr. Campbell stated in the book (mine is the new edition) that his previous book had Classical, Christian, and Modern studies simultaneously, but I believe at an older age. Anyone do this? Is there anyone but me who could take a program designed to simplify your curriculum, and make it too complicated?:lol::001_rolleyes:
  23. We are going to begin an LCC tomorrow (yes, in the midst of our home being ruined from a leaky pipe while we were on vacation, but I am not going to let that stop us). Would someone be so kind as to provide me with a link or a look at what their typical week looks like? I would be SO appreciative -- I have twin 3rd graders who are working through 3rd grade at double speed with the hope of completing 4th grade by next summer, and a very bright, capable 5th grader. All three are at home after being in a Classical Christian private school for at least 2 years. Thanks in advance --:001_smile:
  24. I'm very very curious about this style of homechooling. For those of you who do it, please elaborate. How is it different? What does your day look like? Tips & secrets to getting started? What would you tell someone who's interested. Thanks, CalicoKat
  25. Mr. Drew Campbell just posted: This is great news for the homeschooling community!!!
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