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  1. My 12 yo is using Latin Prep 1 right now, and I am looking for some ideas for study and review. She has been working 3 days a week (about 20-30 min each) for 3 months. We use the text and the workbook, and she is just finishing chapter 3. I don't mind that the pace is a little slow right now, as I want her to be solid with fundamentals. I find she's still referring to the declension and congugation charts. A lot. So, I am wondering if there are ideas for chants (how exactly do you do these? example words or just endings, do you chant the latin and then the english, how often do you do it, etc), flash cards, or other forms of study. What do you do to retain the grammar? The vocabulary? TIA
  2. I am looking for a Latin program for my just-turned-9yo DS. We're coming to the end of GSWL and I've been looking closely at samples of Latin Prep and Artes Latinae. I think that my son would enormously appreciate the 'tone' of the LP books, but it also seems -- to my inexpert eye -- as though the two programs approach the material rather differently, and in that regard I'm tentatively leaning towards AL. However, I obviously haven't used either one of these programs, and my own Latin experience (prior to restarting with DS) is all in the dim and distant past, so I'd be very grateful for any feedback on how the two programs compare. Furthermore, for anyone who has used Artes Latinae, did you prefer the computer program or the traditional book/CD format? I have a (probably at least partly irrational) bias against computer-based instruction, and working through the sample of the AL DVD did not particularly change my mind on this score, but OTOH I could certainly see how an all-in-one-DVD might be preferable to coordinating all of the program's numerous moving parts.
  3. Just reposting these reviews so that they might be easier to find in the future. Here are some Galore Park reviews, cut and pasted from the Yahoo group files. All reviews by me, except when stated: SY French I taught this to Calvin when he was 12 and Hobbes when he was 8. I began teaching them together, but fairly soon split them out, as they needed very different pacing. In the end, Hobbes completed about half of book one and Calvin book one and part of book two, before both went off the school. The text was definitely usable with both, but Hobbes needed much more reinforcement. The programme is solid and grammar based (parts to whole not whole to parts). It expects memorisation of grammar and vocabulary as a basis for moving forward. I found it to be efficient and reasonably engaging. How we used it: At the beginning of every session, I would go over the previous session orally with the boys, repeating out loud the exercises that they had already written, and practising conversation on the theme of the lesson. We would then read the new lesson passage together, talk through any grammar points, and I would assign memorisation. The boys would then do the exercises on paper. Pros: a really good foundation for further work. Grammar is not skated over and is fairly well explained. Cons: the audio is very limited - it is not interactive, so will not get the child talking. Unless you are a French speaker yourself (I am) I would highly recommend combining the programme with something that could provide more listening and speaking practice. SY English (previously EP) We have finished EP1 and are on chapter three of EP2. EP is a secular language arts progamme designed for children aged 11 to 13/14. We use each book for about a year, taking around 45 minutes a day. The layout is clean and not too busy. There are two or three illustrations or cartoons per chapter. Each book is divided into ten themed chapters. In book one each chapter includes two prose passages; in book two there are two prose passages and a poem. For example, one chapter in book one is about elephants. The first passage is from The Elephant's Child, by Rudyard Kipling; the second is a letter to The Times newspaper about keeping elephants in zoos. In book two, one chapter is entitled 'Love' and contains an extract from Silas Marner, a Shakespeare sonnet and a description of the life of St. Valentine. Following each passage are comprehension and vocabulary questions. The second book also starts to introduce elements of the analysis of poetry. There is one exercise made up of creative writing prompts - we do several of these pieces from each chapter. Spelling, vocabulary, grammar and punctuation follow - many of the examples are drawn from the passages. There's a speaking and listening section, which often includes composing dialogues or speeches, or memorisation. There follows an extensive list of related books to read. Lastly, there are suggestions for extra activities (for brighter kids who finish fast in a classroom setting). Pros: it's an all-in-one program that does a good job of relating all its elements. The reading passages are challenging, and there is a range of suggested reading to cover all abilities. The passages and poems that are chosen are of extremely high quality: these are not those bland comprehension passages you come across in some school texts. In the first two chapters of book 2, Calvin has read and analysed passages by Mark Twain, Cecil Day Lewis (British Poet Laureate), William Golding and Charles Causley (just missed being Poet Laureate), as well as extracts from quality newspapers. Following the end-of-chapter suggestions, he read Huckleberry Finn, The Day They Came To Arrest The Book, Fahrenheit 451 and Robinson Crusoe. Cons: this isn't a con for me, but compared to the US standard, UK grammar requirements are light. You may well find EP grammar to be very gentle review. Spelling and punctuation exercises may need to be done orally if you want to adapt to US standards. Some of the suggested reading is emotionally, as well as academically, demanding, so you may need to do some pre-reading. Potentially more important is the lack of specific writing instruction. The writing prompts are just that: titles or ideas. If the pupil is not yet writing fluently and you feel the need of help to get to that stage, you will have to supplement with a more focused writing progamme. Recommendation: I love this programme (can you tell?). It's exactly what I wanted to find. It's stimulating and challenging, but not frightening for the pupil. Calvin delights in the passages: the look on his face as he read Martin Luther King's 'I Have a Dream' speech, or dove into a poem by Wole Soyinka was unforgettable. I recommend it for any child of 11 and up, especially one who is interested in language. A younger pupil can use it, but watch out for maturity issues. A child who cannot already put together a written piece in a variety of genres will need some support. Junior History (review by Melissa) It is not my primary history - if it were I would think that it needed supplements. The entire text is only 74 pages. I purchased it for my daughter - age 7 - entering 2nd grade. We will do American History three days a week and Ancient History two days a week. I think it works very well for a two day a week text. We will do reading and an exercise one day a week and a project one day a week. There are three exercises for each chapter. The first exercise has ten (sometimes more) questions for comprehension. Most of them are who, what, where, when questions. There is usually one why question and one that asks you to draw something. We will do these orally - over two classes. Exercise two is fill in the blank - five questions. I will have her write these as copywork. And exercise three is vocabulary - five words. I haven't decided how to do these yet. Then there is the To Do section. We will do these on our second day. They usually include one story to write, one poster to make and a couple of craft things to do. I am adding one fiction and one non-fiction book to each chapter. I am currently working on choosing the books. Every chapter has this layout. I think the textbook is very good as an introduction to ancient history. It has at least one map for each chapter. The choice of photos was well done. I always struggle with what to include and what to leave out. BUT, it does not have nearly the depth of SOTW or other programs that are studying only ancients for the year. The maps are nice but there is no focus on geography. There is an intro to literature and mythology, but no book suggestions. I was looking for an interesting, factual, fun ancients text for my daughter to use a couple of times a week. (We do annual testing and both of my children had weak scores in pulling information from text.) I think as a text this book is very nice, but it has all of the drawbacks of any textbook. Latin Prep Calvin has finished LP 1 and is on chapter 8 of LP 2. This is a rigorous, secular, grammar-based programme designed for pupils aged 11 to 13/14. It introduces grammar and vocabulary systematically and provides lots of practice in translating sentences Latin/English and English/Latin. Each chapter also includes longer passages for comprehension, translation and grammar work. The passages usually concern Greek Myth or Roman history. The layout of the book is enlivened by cartoons. The text is written to the child, with some appropriate humour mixed in. One is sometimes asked to translate ludicrous sentences, which Calvin particularly enjoys: 'Master, the friends of the poet are murdering the inhabitants with books' is one of his favourites from book 1. Absurd sentences are of course harder to translate, as you can't guess them. There is a word list at the back of each book and a pronunciation guide at the front of book 1. Calvin and I do most work orally - this is quicker and makes for a nice snuggle time. We spend about 90 minutes a week, including memorisation, and get through just under a book a year. Pros: logical and fun, with review integrated into the exercises. Cons: the noun cases are presented in UK/Commonwealth order, rather than US order. This can be solved by having the student write out the nouns in your chosen way as part of the memorisation process. Very occasionally there will be a grammar point that could do with an extra sentence of explanation. This is a rare occurrence and not something to worry about. SY Maths (previously named Maths Prep) We have finished book one and are on the second chapter of book two. Maths Prep is designed for students aged 11 to 13/14. It is divided into chapters, each of which concentrates on a particular aspect of maths. Each chapter has an introduction, which often links maths to its history, then a series of exercises which build on each other. At the end of the chapter will be a summary exercise, extension questions (often very challenging!) for brighter pupils, and an end-of-chapter activity. MP explains how the maths works and expects understanding, but also practises standard algorithms. The text is enlivened by cartoons but the overall look of the page is somewhat dense. It uses a larger sans-serif font, rather than the smaller serif font used in Latin Prep and English Prep. The contents of each chapter are picked up and reviewed in the following book, but there is no continual review during the year. The author recommends adding in weekly review questions from the other maths books sold by GP. Pros: the explanations are logical and the exercises present interesting word problems. The program requires the pupil to think hard about how to apply what s/he has learned, rather than just plugging new numbers into previous formats. The historical notes develop nice links with history studies. Cons: the lack of continual review makes MP less easy than other GP products for a non-specialist teacher to use. You are responsible for finding and assigning review questions - they are not a part of MP. The alternative is a lot of forgetting and relearning between one year and the next. Recommendation: recommended for teachers who are prepared to add in their own review to the program, or for very mathy students, who will thrive on the extension questions and not forget much from year to year. Religious Studies For Today The book discusses, rather than preaching, and provokes wide-ranging philosophical/political/moral discussion. It will have been designed to be used in schools that may have a nominal Christian affiliation, but that include many children of different faiths or none. It covers passages from the Old and New Testaments. The aims (according to the introduction) are to explore issues which surround: "- human existence - the existence of God - our responsibility towards our planet - our responsibility towards each other - the teaching of Jesus - personal and public morality Each chapter normally contains the following sections: - summary of the set Biblical text - commentary on the text - questions on the commentary - contemporary issues - Common Entrance (exam style) questions - scholarship (higher level exam style) questions" The first chapter discusses Genesis 1-2 v 25. The commentary mentions particular words used in the translation, the differences from the Babylonian creation story, the historical relevance of the sabbath (and the reason that P - the writer - stressed it), fertility as a concept in the region - fertility gods (Baals) in Canaan. There follow comprehension questions on the commentary. L
  4. Hi all, I need help in Latin for ds 12 years old going into 7th grade. My question is what to do for 7th grade? I want him to take Henle 1 in 8th grade for high school credit. This is what we have done so far: 4th grade Prima Latina 5th grade LC I 6th grade FF I have heard that 2nd Form is not analytical enough for 7th grade. I am thinking of Cambridge Unit 1 or Latin Prep not sure what level to hold him until Henle. He will be using Rod & Staff grammar 7 to go with. What do you think I should use & what level if any would be appropriate for Latin Prep? Thanks. Jean
  5. First, this is what I feel like :banghead: :cursing: :crying: :confused1:. My dd has done SSL (which she enjoyed tremendously) and is finishing up LfC A (not so much). We started LfC A LAST SEPTEMBER and are only on lesson 27. This is due to the fact that she "doesn't like Latin [now]" even though she does well and she does all of the activity book worksheets because she "only likes Latin puzzles." I let her look at the Minimus Secundus I bought for this up coming year while I tried to figure out what direction we need to go. She started zooming through the book...for over an hour. I was thinking of switching to Latin Prep because it looks fun (she LOVES humorous things) and it seems to be a vehicle for thorough knowledge of Latin translating and grammar at this level. I am hesitant because the LfC chants and charts are worth their weight in gold here. I have no Latin experience and the grammar in LfC often leaves us scratching our heads. LfC also doesn't explain the "why" of things at the time I think they need to be presented (ex. cases N, G, D, A, A are for what? Never mind that, just memorize it). The DVDs were a big flop here mainly due to the grammar lessons. Anywho, if you are still with me, thank you. And here it is: I just compared the chapter contents of LfC A, B, and C with LP 1, 2, and 3. It seems that they more or less line up with one another. Could I just do a chapter of LfC B then a the corresponding section(s) of LP 2 and the same with C and 3? I also have concerns about the vocative case in LP which does not seem to be in LfC any where.
  6. Here is a link to my Latin Prep Bk 1 Ch 1 vocabulary study stack: Latin Prep Vocab Study Stack This study stack will generate all sorts of activities such as matching, crossword, flashcards etc. The data lends itself better to some activities than others. If anyone uses it and sees some mistakes or has some suggestions to improve the stack, let me know and I'll edit it. I'm new to this! I hope to add the next three chapters worth of vocab shortly and then will add as we go. Hope this can benefit some other Latin Prep users! :)
  7. I am a little confused by which would be next in the sequence. I am looking for a Latin 2 high school credit. Ds finished LP 1 and will be finished with 2 before the end of this yr. Do I follow with Latin Prep 3 or SYRWTL Latin 3? Or should I switch to a more traditional Latin text? (though I am not sure I want to do that b/c he LOVES LP) Thanks!
  8. I am using Latin Prep with my elder two dc, aged 11 and nearly 13. The 13 yo is in chapter 5. The 11 yo is taking a break after chapter 4, and working through workbook A to solidify what she has learned. So far, we have not done any memorization, but now I'm seeing more of a need for that, both with vocabulary and with grammar forms. Can you share with me how you do your memory work with Latin Prep? I tried to make flashcards, but I feel like I don't really know what I'm doing. Thanks.
  9. My son has completed Latin for Children levels A-C and we switched to Latin Prep for this year. Could you share how you use Latin Prep? As in, Mondays we do________, Tuesdays we __________, and so on? So far, we've just been reading and doing the exercises. Should we be making flash cards? Chanting? Something else?
  10. I have been doing Latin for the past year, Henle, with my 6th grader and he is just not making the connection of how to conjugate and decline for different parts of speech, tenses etc. Is this a developmental thing like reading or something else? He is smart as a whip but hates to not get stuff right away so I do not know if he is just being stubborn. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. Do I take a year off? Do I go back to a beginner Latin program? I am getting frustrated and I know he is. Thanks! Angie
  11. Ds8 (who will be nine in a few weeks) is finishing up BBofLL1. LL tends to be a love-it-or-hate-it curriculum, but we love it. All of it...derivatives, history, mapwork, etc.. I had planned to just launch into the second Big Book, until I noticed that a blogger with similar tastes in curriculum had gone to Latin Prep instead (with a 9 y.o.). I had been thinking of Latin Prep as something that might be an option later...now I'm wondering if there's enough overlap that I need to choose one or the other. So, this person very kindly talked me through her reasons, but it would be really, really terrific if anyone who has used the BBofLL2, or anyone who has an opinion, frankly, would weigh in on this. I was planning to order on Thursday...it's one of those "periodic paycheck" situations where I just want to get this done before the money gets sucked into household expenses.
  12. In " The Latin centered Curriculum" Andrew Campbell suggests the " grammar-translation method for learning grammar. Does anyone know if Latin Prep from Galore Park uses this method? Any Latin Prep users out there ? Next year ds will be finishing Song School Latin (or not) and doing Minimus, I am seeing some folks use Minimus as a suppliment, Would Latin Prep be a good spine for a 4th grader and suppliment with Minimus? I am interested in classical pronunciation. Thanks. ~Christine in AL
  13. I am looking for a Latin curriculum for the next few years after we finish Lively Latin. What is your experience with Latin Prep?
  14. Here is what I want: Inexpensive and can be re-used with multiple children. Simple to teach or can be used independently by the student (7th and 9th grader). Will not bore them to tears (or me for that matter). Good instruction meaning it is a solid program. I think that is it. I would really like to use The Latin Road, but unless we come into some money btwn now and August, that isn't going to happen! So, I want dd13 and ds12 to take Latin, finally, but need something like I described above. Does this exist? Thanks.
  15. My 9 (10 in two weeks) year old is just finishing up Latin for Children Primer C. We both are ready, I think, for a different publisher for next year (5th grade). I am leaning toward Latin Prep. When people recommend Latin Prep, is this what they're recommending? http://www.galorepark.co.uk/product/parents/127/latin-prep-book-1.html I'm confused because the title, "So You Really Want to Learn Latin Prep," seems to combine what I thought were two different programs. What exactly should I order? Latin Prep Book 1, Answer Book, and Audio CD, I would think are necessary, but what about the workbooks, flashcards, puzzle book, etc? Also, any other words of advice to add? Is there a reason you would not go from LfC to Latin Prep?
  16. I know there has been discussion of this in previous threads, but my search came up blank. If you are using Latin Prep, are there parts that you do written and parts that you do orally> Thanks,
  17. Is LfC a workable transistion to Latin Prep? From American to UK noun case order. ( I , uhm don't actually know that that means,) will it be screwy to do a year or two of Latin for Children, then transition to Latin Prep? Are they compatable?
  18. I have been looking at Latin for Children, Lively Latin, and Latina Christiana or Prima Latina for my ds who is a quick learner and reads at about an 8th grade level. I prefer a Latin program that is the best for teaching English grammar in addition to a meaty Latin curiculum. I also prefer not having to wade through pages and pages of teacher's manuals as well and DVDs are a plus:) Writing is not a problem as well for my ds. I am open to suggestions:) I appreciate any help.
  19. I want to go ahead and buy Latin Prep for my 11 year old. What exactly do I need to purchase for this year? I want to start at the beginning, even though we have done LFC A. When I go to the two websites that I can order it from, I become overwhelmed. Laura or anyone else who knows this, please tell me what to purchase as I always purchase way to much of a new product without advice from an expert. Thanks!
  20. I would like to have my 11 yo learn some Latin this year. I already have English from the Roots Up. I do not want an intense program, but one that will make her understand Latin and be able to translate Latin-English vice versa. Also, very inexpensive. Color would be good. With a student workbook. I have heard of Latin Prep 1 by Galore Park, and wondering if this is a good place to start? Just doing one book. And if I do Latin Prep, should I drop EFTRU? There is also another book someone mentionedGetting Started With Latin from Amazon.com,and was wondering which was the better program? Thank you
  21. If you are using Latin Prep, I have two questions for you: 1) How old was your child when you started using it? and 2) Did you use anything before Latin Prep? Feel free to elaborate and review the program(s). Thanks! Tara
  22. I'm still figuring out Latin. My dc, ages 11 and 12.5, have six more weeks of Latina Christiana 2. What level of Latin Prep would they do after LC? Is there a teaching DVD, or is all the instruction in the book? Could they do it pretty independently? Thanks! Lillian
  23. I'm switching my older 2 boys to Latin Prep. If it turns out to be the program for us and we stick with this through Latin Prep 3, what would we move into next? Depending on if it took 3 or 4 years, my older 2 would be in either 6th/7th or 7th/8th.
  24. We're really missing the workbook that went along with Latin Prep 1. It really helped solidify the material for us. Does anyone know if Galore Park has any supplemental materials that go along with Latin Prep 2?
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