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  1. We have been using the following progression to learn Latin: Prima Latina, Latina Christiana I, Latina Christiana II, Henle's First Year Latin. I have two questions about learning verb principle parts and noun genders. Or rather, more about memorizing them. LC II introduces the idea of principle parts of verbs, and tells you that you must learn all the parts (usually four, but sometimes just three). LC II mostly just gives you the parts that fit a regular pattern, just to make it easy for the beginning student. So, sometimes you only get two parts. I think somewhere in the book (or maybe the TM) it says that you will learn the other parts later, as they are irregular. Well, I'm on my second go-round with LC II, and those other parts never got learned. When my son was first into the Henle book, I decided to look up, in the back of the Henle book, the missing parts and add them to his flashcards from his previous books. I thought I had missed something from LC II. Also, I figured he could handle memorizing the irregular parts, and I was correct. Also, I am sure that somewhere in LC II it says to have the student also start reciting the gender of each noun (when going through flashcards), even though the noun flashcards are now separated into piles such as "Third Declension Masculine" and so forth. I can't remember where in LC II I read it, and I couldn't find it today upon doing a quick skim, but I was pretty sure I was instructed to do so, because I started having my son do it. Not just the rare masculine nouns in first declension, but every single noun's gender in every single pile. So. The fruits of all this memory work have been fine for my son. I have a feeling my daughter is going to have a more difficult time. But maybe not. We will see when we start up again in January, because that is when I will gently introduce reciting all the principle parts of verbs, then introduce reciting the noun genders of each card. This week I looked through the rest of LC II (dd is on week 12), and it never did get around to telling us what the rest of those principle parts were on those verbs that had irregular 3rd and 4th parts. So, I went through all their cards, with dictionary in hand, and wrote them all in. Fun, fun!!! NOT. (I won't require my daughter to recite the irregular 3rd and 4th parts yet, but I still put them on the cards because I was on a roll I didn't want to have to get back into at a later point, lol) Fast forward to Henle. Henle does put in all the missing verb principle parts, so I don't have to look them up. (I've been quite irritated with LC for many reasons, and this is yet another - that it promises to do something, and then doesn't do it - it's as if Memoria Press was planning to come up with a LC III, and never did - maybe that's what First to Fourth Forms became, but that doesn't help those of us who used LC I and II and then went on to Henle) Also, with Henle I automatically write the noun gender on each card as we come to nouns. So here are my questions: - If you are learning Latin (or really, any other language), how important is it to memorize every single principle part of every verb you encounter? I get why it's important to memorize principle parts, for the sake of translation work - you need to know which part to use for particular functions. But in general, if one goes on learning a language even beyond standard Latin translation work, does one go on to keep memorizing principle parts of verbs? - And how important is it to recite the noun gender when reciting noun flashcards? I have found it has been helpful to ds, I suppose especially in third declension nouns because there are so many exceptions.....maybe that's my answer? I guess I'm just wondering because I see so many flashcards in each child's flashcard basket. I know one benefit, that people always talk about here, of Henle is that Henle doesn't introduce much vocabulary. It concentrates more on grammar forms, and I understand why. Hmm....on that note, I am now also wondering why PL/LC I/LC II introduced so much vocabulary - much of it isn't even being used now in Henle! But I guess it's helpful to their English vocabulary, right? Anyway, just wondering if we might be overdoing it in those couple of areas. But then again, ds has learned this stuff over the past six years, so slow accumulation is a good thing, right? Dd is just in her third year of learning Latin, so the same idea could apply, right?
  2. We need to translate the phrase "in the history of Rome" into Latin. The answer is "in histori Romae" Please help us understand the case(s) and declension(s) in the answer.
  3. Ds is memorizing the personal pronouns from Henle right now. First person, second person, and third person. What we do not understand is, when do you use the nominative cases of these?? When translating English to Latin, I thought the pronouns were understood from the verb endings. And when I correct his work, I do not see nominative case pronouns in the answer key, yet he is putting them in. I don't know if he is correct or not, and we are getting frustrated. Can anyone explain this to me? Henle has not indicated anything about this, so far. Or maybe I am not understanding something, which is entirely possible - boy, learning Latin is complicated to me!
  4. I just read through a whole bunch of past Latin threads to try and think through what I want our Latin goals to be. There seem to be two main reasons people talk about: 1. to read Latin books fluently, or 2. for the grammar/logical reasoning/English-shaping aspects of Latin study. I haven't decided which way I want to go yet, but came up with some questions. To those who want their kids to be able to read Latin books fluently, why do you want this? Is it just so they can enjoy the reading/viewing life and history through another language, or do the NLE and AP tests for verification/possible college credit factor into this? To anyone doing Henle, if a person does ALL of First Year Latin (Henle I), can Second Year Latin be done in just a year (say, in grade 9 or 10), since some of it will be review of Henle I? Or do you find that Henle II could take a couple of years? (I know that you can do just some of Henle 1 and then go into Henle 2 to save time, but I am doing Henle 1 with a middle grader, and don't have the concern about "losing" a year of study in high school, if we want to have time to go into reading Latin books - I feel better about completing the entire Henle 1 and getting a solid footing with grammar) And the thing I'm really wondering about is, does anyone actually use Henle III and Henle IV?? Meaning, Third Year and Fourth Year Latin? I've searched and searched and found ONE poster who said she planned to do that. If you have either of these books, or have used them, can you tell me more about them? Are they mostly reading? Or is there more grammar study in them (either new or review)? I read on one thread that there is some grammar in Third Year. If you use/have used them, how did you go about it with your child or yourself? Can you use each of these in one year? Are there online classes that use Henle III and IV? Are they one-year classes? The reason I ask about III and IV is because most of the posts I found said that people go through Henle II then switch to online classes for Latin reading courses after intensive grammar study. I wonder why? Why not use Henle III and IV? (I always wonder why, when I don't see people using what I see recommended in WTM:D, since I've used and trusted AND been happy with most of the recs so far) Finally, if you mostly doing Latin for the grammar/logical reasoning/English-shaping reasons, AND you are using Henle for this, how far did you/do you plan to go in Henle? Is Henle II good enough, or would you do Henle III or IV for some reason within these goals? Thank you.
  5. Right now my oldest is finishing up Lively Latin 1, which has worked well overall, and my dd loves. I have Minimus in house, so she will start that in about a week, but I suspect she will run through it pretty quickly. My long term plan is to alternate a grammar based approach, and a reading based approach. For the reading based approach I know I want to continue with Minimus through its upper level program, Cambridge Latin. I don't know what I want to do for a grammar based approach. Lively Latin has worked well, but the last few months have become more difficult because I haven't been able to keep up since about chapter 15. I can't explain anything for her, and I can't identify when the answer key is wrong and correct it ahead of time like I used to. This has only been a problem a couple of times (with the answer key) and I would love to just continue with LL 2, but I doubt I will be able to keep up, and I fear that problems will abound. First Form Latin. It sounds like it is exactly what I need, made for the person who doesn't know Latin to teach. My worry is that LL basically covers the first level, so I would need to start with the 2nd, which is only Bata right now. I really get nervous when I see any Bata. If I am going to have to deal with answer key errors and such I might as well use LL 2, KWIM? Latin Prep. It sounds like this one has way too much translation work to do with a reading program. It also doesn't seem super friendly to the non-Latin mom. Is there any other program that I haven't considered that are grammar based? I know there have to be, what are my options here or do you think one of the above is my best choice? Heather
  6. Hi There, My 5 year old loves singing chants/songs and so I'm looking for the "best" cd for him to learn basic Latin grammar and other Latin basics. Any suggestions?:)
  7. Once upon a time I read this article somewhere that mentioned there are ___ amount of steps to translating a Latin sentence but I can't remember where I saw it. I found myself looking for it because we are doing LCII this year and ds does well with it but sometimes misses steps in translating (and I am learning along with him). So today, while working on translation, I attempted to make my own list (don't laugh!). Keep in mind that we are only translating very simple sentences right now and I know that my list is not complete...I will have to add to it as our sentences get tougher. Also, we do a lot of grammar study through Latin so there are several English "grammar" questions in there. I just need some kind of "checklist" I guess so that neither he nor I miss any steps until we get really good at it. So if you don't mind, tell me what you think, what I might have missed or made a mistake with etc. Thanks! Example sentence: The student carries a small tablet. 1. What is the subject of the sentence? Student 2. How do you say that in Latin? Discipulus, i 3. What declension is that? 2nd declension masculine 4. What case is the subject of the sentence? nominative 5. How is that word declined in that case? Discipulus, discipuli 6. Is the subject singular or plural? Singular 7. Which form of the nominative case do you need? Discipulus 8. What is the verb of the sentence? Carries (I carry) 9. How do you say that in Latin? Porto 10. What conjugation is it? First conjugation 11. What ending does it need to match the subject? –t 12. How should the verb look in this sentence? Portat 13. Where do you place the verb? At the end of the sentence 14. Are there any direct objects? Yes 15. What is it? Tablet 16. How do you say it in Latin? Tabella 17. What declension is it? First declension feminine 18. What case is the direct object? Accusative 19. How is that word declined in that case? Tabellam, Tabellas 20. Is it singular or plural? Singular 21. Which one should you choose? Tabellam 22. Are there any adjectives? Yes 23. What are they? Small 24. What noun do they modify? Tablet 25. How do you say the adjective in Latin? Parvum 26. How should you decline it to make it agree with tablet? Parvam 27. Should it go before or after the noun? Before 28. Why? It is an adjective of quantity. 29. How should the translated sentence read? Discipulus parvam tabellam portat. Also, one more question...in LCII it states that adjectives of quantity and size come before the noun and adjectives of quality come after the noun so that's what we did. But in the answer key it has "parvam" AFTER "tabellam". Anyone know why?
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