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  1. I have a question for the Hive. Our daughter is 12 years old. She loves to read. She has been asking to read The Hunger Games Series and to also watch the movies. My DW and I have had several discussions on this topic and have (so far) not let her read/watch The Hunger Game series. How do you as parents filter (or do you?) what books and movies your kids watch? I apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed. Thank you for your thoughts.
  2. So I told her she couldn't until I read it first. The previews for the movie disturbed me greatly. I had no desire to read the books after seeing them, not my type of book, not my type of movie. Plus I was insulted that a book/movie like this is targeted at our youth but that's another thread. So she wants to read it and I'm really on the fence. I finished the first book and now I'm reading the second, I'm hooked. Ugh. It's not as gorey as I thought it would however the subject matter still disturbs me and I'm not sure it's something I want my dd to read. I'm a being too overprotective? Thoughts?
  3. My husband put on the Hunger Games which I have seen books here and there. He said it was some kind of girl power movie. So far I am pretty grossed out by it. It is so violent and it doesn;t seem right. I think I might just have bad nightmares of it never mind my poor kids. Am I the only one here bothered by it?
  4. http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2012/05/17/why-hunger-games-is-flawed-to-its-core/ Why Hunger Games is Flawed to Its Core Nate (N. D.) Wilson is one of my favorite writers. He has given us some excellent fiction and non-fiction books. He knows what makes a story work. Nate was in town recently, and we had a conversation about books, beauty, and bestsellers. Naturally, we talked about The Hunger Games. His take on it was too good to keep to myself, so I asked if I could share it here. Why Hunger Games is Flawed to Its Core N.D. Wilson Almost everywhere I go, I’m asked about The Hunger Games (book, not film). The questions used to fly about Twilight and Potter, but Katniss and dystopic death-matches have taken over. First, I completely understand why The Hunger Games took off. Suzanne Collins knows how to suck readers into a page-turning frenzy. The pace of the book grabs like gorilla glue and the kill-or-be-killed tension keeps fingernails nibbled short. She knows her craft, and I have to say that I’m grateful to her for expanding our mutual marketplace (in the same way that Rowling did). That said, Collins stumbles badly in her understanding of some pretty fundamental elements of human story, and the whole thing is flawed to its core as a result. The best authors are students of humanity, both as individuals and grouped in societies (big and small). C.S. Lewis’ profound insight into human motivation and relationships is on display in Narnia, and even more intricately in his Space Trilogy. He paints honest and accurate portraits, leading readers through darkness toward wisdom. Think about Mark Twain’s ability to see and image the motivations of boys, and the entire society in which those boys lived. Tom Wolfe’s sharp clear vision is on display in both his essays and his fiction. He sees into the hearts and minds of men; he sees which of their choices and follies will set fire to the world around them, and how exactly that fire will progress and grow. (And, like the greatest writers, he manages to maintain an affection and sympathy for his characters and for humanity in general despite this insight.) When an author profoundly misunderstands human societies, arbitrarily forcing a group or a character into decisions and actions that they would never choose for themselves given the preceding narrative, it drives me bonkers. I once threw The Fountainhead across the room for exactly that crime, and I’ve never read anything by Rand since. And Collins bundles clumsy offenses like this in Costco bulk… Quick Switch 1 Katniss volunteers to take her sister’s place in the Hunger Games. Yay. Self-sacrifice. Christian themes, yadda, yadda. So far so good. But that walnut shell slides away immediately and a moment of self-sacrifice is replaced with sustained, radical, murderous self-interest. In the Christian ethos, laying down one’s life for another is glorious. In the Darwinian world, self-preservation is the ultimate shiny good. Readers bite the lure of sacrifice, and then blissfully go along with survive-at-the-expense-of-murdered-innocents. Katniss becomes evil–she’s even relieved at one point that someone else murdered her innocent little friend, because she knew that she would have to do it herself eventually. And we still give her credit for being sacrificial… (Sacrificial Sidenote: Many people point to Peeta as the truly noble and sacrificial character. I don’t mind him as a character, but a picture of heroic sacrifice he ain’t. In Hunger Games, he’s fundamentally passive and submissive. He’s that guy who is happy to ‘just be friends’ with the cute girl. Or a lot more than friends (but only if she initiates). He’s just the puppy at her heels. “Sure, kill me Katniss. Oh, you’d rather we both killed ourselves? Yes, Katniss. Whatever you say, Katniss.†Really? There are plenty of guys in the world just like Peeta, and kudos to Collins for using the type, especially since nice second-fiddle fellas like that confuse and conflict girls tremendously. But worldview readers are gaming themselves into seeing something that just isn’t there.) Quick Switch 2 The self-defense defense. Katniss is a victim, but so is every other innocent person thrust into these games. She should be rising above the game and defending herself (and everyone else) from the Hunger Games. Instead, she kills her fellow victims. Sure, if someone is in the act of trying to murder you, shoot them through the throat. But dropping tracker jackers on sleeping kids? Negativo. Why is she playing this game by the rules at all? The Hunger Games are the real enemy. If Collins wanted her protagonist to be the kind of rebel who would start a revolution (and she does want that), she should have had Katniss cutting her locator out of her arm on night one instead of participating in and perpetuating the evil. But readers are a little numb to killing, and this particular switch wasn’t hard to pull on us. Here’s a thought experiment to help us see clearly. What if Collins had thrown her character into this arena and the rules had been different? Last one raped wins. Rape or be raped. Obviously, a real hero wouldn’t play the game. Explode the game. (Sidenote: rape is awful, but at least the other kids would have survived.) Faux-revolution File this under misunderstanding humanity, which is just another way of saying that The Hunger Games misunderstands courage, inspiration, oppression, and nobility as they relate to people in a collective herd. If you want to see an accurate picture of how one enslaved victim can threaten a regime, watch Gladiator. Twenty thousand people (and the emperor) are commanding one slave to kill another. (Kill!Kill!Kill!) But instead, he throws his sword in the dirt and turns his back on the emperor. And…the people he just defied now adore him. He inspires. His courage is unlike anything they’ve seen, and he is now officially a political problem. Walk through what Collins has Katniss do while playing in the Hunger Games. First, she does and says exactly what she’s told to do and say (trying to manipulate the mob with false sentimentality). Second, she plays the vile despotic game, and by the immoral rules. Finally, she threatens to kill herself (and talks her faux-boyfriend into doing it with her). This, allegedly, panics the establishment and is the spark that will start a revolution. But the world doesn’t work that way. Men and women are not inspired to risk their lives in insurrection and defiance by someone reaching for poisonous berries. Revolutions are not started by teen girls suicide-pacting with cute baker boys. Oppressive regimes are not threatened by people who do what they are told. Put yourself in the author’s well-worn desk chair. If you really wanted your Katniss to threaten this tyrannical system like many great men and women have threatened many tyrants throughout the ages, what would you have her do? She needs to be a lot more punk rock (in the best possible way). She needs to stop giving a rip about her own survival (the most dangerous men and women always forget themselves). She needs to refuse to be a piece in the game. Imagine millions of people watching her disarm some boy who was trying to murder her, and then cutting out his locator, hiding him, and keeping him alive. Every time she defied the order to kill, she would earn the true loyalty of the spared kid’s district. And she would start being a legitimate political threat. (Even Tom Wolfe asked me about The Hunger Games, having apparently heard it had some revolutionary insight. I hit him with the primary plot beats and watched him blink in confusion.) There is more to say, but I’ve said enough. Well, almost. One final thought: never read or watch a story like a passive recipient, enjoying something in a visceral way and then retroactively trying to project deeper value or meaning onto the story you’ve already ingested. Such projections have been making authors and directors seem more intelligent than they are for decades. As you watch, as you read, shoulder your way into the creator’s chair. Don’t take the final product for granted, analyze the creator’s choices and cheerfully push them in new and different directions. As we do this, the clarity of our criticism will grow immensely. Which is to say, we’ll be suckered far less often than we currently are. Lastly, Suzanne Collins can really write. It’s just that we can’t really read.
  5. I have been hearing more about this trilogy and understand that other children DD10's age are reading these books. The plot seems rather gruesome, but since they get such high reviews on this forum, I assume there must be more to the books than simple gratuitous violence. It seems from the summaries that I read (I have not read the books, yet, but will do so before I let DD10 read them) that the violence IS the story, rather than adding to the story. Can someone please tell me there is more to them.....a moral perhaps? Life lesson? There must be something since The Hive seems to like them! Thank you!
  6. Yet another HG thread. Sorry. :tongue_smilie: I didn't have a clue what Hunger Games was even about until last week, when my oldest DS expressed interest in it. His scout buddies were talking about the book or movie at a meeting. I told him I'd look into it. From reading reviews online it sounded horrific. I wrote it off after ten minutes of reading. Don't get me wrong-- my teen, and 11yo for that matter, have seen many pg-13 movies, including LOTR and LOST. They read unsanitized classics. The violence and loss of life in HG just sounds completely over the top. Since then I've read more, and came away with the same impression. Then I actually started paying attention when people would mention it. They were talking about sharing this with their tweens. They were throwing tweens HG themed birthday parties. Really? Srsly?? I must be missing something. :mellow: Yeah, I know: Read the book, Mom. From my first impression I'd rather cuddle up with a Saxon book. :tongue_smilie: *I* still cover my eyes when Boromir's chest gets loaded with arrows, or even when the slimy, ruthless Ethan gets shot. :ack2: Suspense I can handle (I thoroughly enjoy LOTR and LOST), just not killing and gratuitous gore or violence. And the gatekeeper's mouth in Return... and the marshal's shrapnel in season 1... *clearing throat* Okay, Hive. Do I need to :chillpill:? Can a mom like myself actually read this series? Has it been blown out of proportion and I really can just hand it to a young teen? Will the books hook him so thoroughly I'll have to watch the movie with him? :tongue_smilie:
  7. Well, I went to see the Hungar Games with some friends last night and I just wanted to post the thoughts from a friend (who was with me) concerning young kids watching this movie, her response is very heartfelt and true. My 15 yr old daughter saw this with us and she did not read the book, but her response to the movie was; I was totally not mentally prepared for this movie. Although the movie was made well, I was pretty disturbed myself the whole time. I will not be reading the rest of the books. Here is my friends reponse: Okay; I've had a few hours to sleep on my 'Hunger Games' experience and feel I need to share. This movie is NOT for children under 18! My children will NEVER watch it. I regret that I let my 10 year old read the series, as it glorifies murder and power. I feel extremely strong about the images that were labeled PG-13. This is an R rated film. VERY upset that my child has been exposed to the story in written form, as well! I have had to apologize to my daughter this morning (for allowing her to read the books) and she responded my weeping and saying she knew they weren't appropriate but felt peer pressure. BIG (not so proud) moment for me as a mother.
  8. I know nothing about this just that it is a book that was just made into a movie. Is it for adults or teens or both? What is so great about it? Why is everybody talking about it? Was it just very well done? Is it a must-see like Titanic or just another good movie? Do I need to read the book first?
  9. So we had a great time last night, not only because the movie was good, but because being in the theater with 400+ excited people was a lot of fun. There was lots of clapping, oohing (at the kissing scenes) and ewwing (if that's even a word, lol. Overall it was a fun experience. Were any of your audiences loud?
  10. I am going with a group of (mature teen) girls tomorrow. I know this film will be intense and I would like to be able to help gently guide some discussion about it as we enjoy ice cream afterwards. I would love to hear ideas from the hive for easily dropped thought provoking questions about the film's pertinent topics!
  11. I am aware that the movie is rated PG-13 but that is not a deal-breaker for me. It really depends on why it has that rating. A little bit of language, a mention of drinking, some violence, those things are manageable. DD10 desperately wants to see the movie. She has read the book and said it was pretty violent but nothing she couldn't handle. I'm concerned that the movie may be too much. I'd love some feedback after ya'll see it. Let me know what you think for a very intelligent, pretty mature 10yo.
  12. I am tired. We got home about 3:15 this morning and my little one got me up at 8. But, I have to say, it's totally worth the tiredness. We LOVED the movie. Some random thoughts: 1. Sit at least half way back in the theater. Because of camera movement and angles being closer can be a little disorienting and nauseating. I get that that's really the point of how it was shot, but being about 5 rows back would have been good (we were as far back as we could have been because of how the theater already had people sitting when we walked into it). 2. The theater was cold. I should've brought a jacket. 3. My daughter used spray pink and green hair dye stuff before we went. I did her hair up sort of in ponytails. She has really long hair and I made it so the ponytails made circles. Hard to explain. Anyway, I sprayed one green and one pink. She would've fit perfectly in several of the Capitol crowd shot. The costuming, hair, and make-up for the Capitol was perfect. 4. I love Josh Hutcherson. I loved him in Bridge to Terabithia. I love him even more as Peeta. 5. Jennifer Lawrence was perfect. I was iffy on her being their pick for Katniss. Then I saw the reaping scene in the trailer and was 85% sold. And then they released the scene where she shoots the arrow at the apple and was 95% sold. After seeing the movie, I'm 100% sold. 6. There were a few storylines shortened, removed, or slightly changed. They worked for the film. For example, tongues being cut out as punishment is mentioned, but the word Avox is not. I sort of missed that the history of the Avox girl, but at the same time taking it out didn't adversely affect the movie and probably would have dragged the storyline a bit so I understand why they changed those few things. 7. For the most part, it was true to the book. VERY happy about that. 8. A few things were added in. Well, not totally added. They are alluded to or referred to later, but since the story is told from Katniss's point of view in the book, she could not have known those things at the exact time they were happening. They fit perfectly in the movie. 9. I thought the reaping scene would get me (emotionally). It didn't. I've seen it about 547 times watching the trailer (the first time I saw it, it was heart wrenching). I thought Rue's death/flowers would get me. It didn't. It was so perfectly true to the book that I had already imagined it. It was a scene, after Rue's death, that is alluded to in the second book that got me. It was actually a strange combination of feeling grief, sadness, pride, and excitement that that scene evoked. 10. It hit me, watching the movie, that the three District 12 winners won by using the system against them. They outwitted the Capitol. These are clever people even though they are "just" poor coal miners. I know this is something I should have realized reading the books (and, in fact, Haymitch's circumstances with his win are not mentioned in the movie since that comes out in the second book), but for some reason that hit me last night. Awesome for a book to keep revealing it's layers and intricacies long after the first reading is done. 11. Woody Harrelson as Haymitch was AMAZING! I think he played the part exactly as I imagined him. 12. The violence was extremely well done. The subject matter gave it a PG-13 right off the bat. If there had been a whole lot more blood (spattering as Suzanne Collins seems inclined to describe it) or the killings had been close-up and clear rather than how they did it, I think it would have bumped to an R for violence. I very much appreciate keeping it PG-13. One, we don't watch R rated movies. Two, many of her fan base are tweens and teens and so the movie was kept okay for them. Some reviewers have said it's "sanitized" and "bland." It is not. It just doesn't have gory, gratuitous violence. 13. It was weird hearing Liam Hemsworth speak in an American accent. I've only ever seen him in movies (um, I think I might have only ever seen him in one movie before come to think of it) where he spoke in his Australian accent. 14. The scene of Katniss kissing Peeta and Gale seeing it on the screen back home made me giggle. Liam's expressions were perfect. I was always a Peeta fan from the start, but Liam's expressions did make me feel a little sorry for Gale and how he was feeling about it all. 15. The control room for the arena was way cool and really showed how they were manipulating everything. 16. My 12 year old recently did a Shakespeare unit and we were able to talk about what a certain action taken by Katniss after Rue's death indicated in relation to a Shakespeare character. 17. I think that's it. I loved it and was VERY happy with it! I want to see it again while it's still in the theater. At least once.
  13. IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK AND ARE GOING TO SEE THE FILM, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS -- Everyone can read this part here -- no spoilers ETA @ 10am friday: They have done to the movie when one compares it to the book what reality tv does to real life -- does that make sense? They have basically done what the gamemaker does to THe HUNGER GAMES as far as deciding what the public gets to see. There is a huge, rich story with depth and history, and the movie shows you what is absolutely necessary for you to follow and see the 'reality' that the producer/director want you to see. Does that makes sense? In that sense -- it is brilliant. All three kids were with me........I re-read the book last week so the scenes from the book that concerned me were fresh in my mind. Seeing the film without having read the book will leave you with some questions. There are some scenes in the book that provide comic relief (Haymitch falling off the stage) that are not in the film. In fact, I was immediately struck at the very beginning of the film when the reaping occurs at the way the grimness, hopelessness, and grittiness of life in District 12 is captured. Donald Sutherland, Woody Harrelson, Stanley Tucci and Wes Bentley (? Gamemaker) are superb. Effie Trinket's role is much smaller in the film than in the book....she provides much comic relief in the book.....the film is not a comedy -- there is little in it that is 'funny' if anything. I covered dd11.5's eyes probably three times -- there are some hand to hand combat scenes that are less graphic than the book but they are still intense. The muttation scene at the end was intense -- dd11.5 did not watch it -- the film does that whole scene with Cato in a less graphic way than the book does -- but dd still did not watch that scene. I found the film thought-provoking -- I tried to watch it and imagine what it would be like to watch it and not have read the book and alot of the depth of the characters and setting would be lost. There were, as I said, about 4 or 5 scenes that I would have liked to see in the film that were in the book, but I do see that Gary Ross (is that his name) and Suzanne Collins (she wrote the screenplay) were going for something more relevant to life today......the theme of desensitizing a society to violence is obviously there.....as is the theme of the danger that hope and love play in Donald Sutherland's 'nation.' Peeta (cannot remember who plays him), well, I could not help but love him. Gale's part is rather small -- he is hunky, though. We are going to see it again tonight as we have friends whose son is an extra in the District 12 scenes -- and we were able to see him clearly on film tonight. I am looking forward to seeing it again - we saw it in Imax tonight and the theater was packed. For two hours and 22 minutes, you could have heard a pin drop - the audience did not make a sound and probably out of 200 people, 150 of them stayed to watched every single credit. I thought it was funny as we walked out of the theater at 2:48am and there were a line of cars with parents there to pick up their kids....... ...and may the odds be ever in your favor.
  14. Any Katniss Evergreen fans out there? I read The Hunger Games at the same time that I was reading Parenting Teens with Love and Logic, and came up with some blog-worthy insights about an event that happens in the third book between Haymitch and Katniss. (No spoilers, I promise!) What I'm wondering, is what other learning lessons have come across to adults who have read The Hunger Games? I want to make some mental notes for talking points to have with my kids someday, when they are old enough to read the series. I was thinking that from a teen perspective, The Hunger Games are an interesting contrast to the Twilight series, in terms of how teenage romance is portrayed. I could see a teen coming away from the Twilight books and thinking that there is only one person in the whole world who could make you happy and if you don't have that person your life isn't worth living. But that is not how teenage love is portrayed in the Hunger Games. Eeek! Future conversations with my future teens are already freaking me out!
  15. a local premiere of The Hunger Games this friday night! :w00t::w00t::w00t: An associate's son is an extra in the Reaping scene, and we've been invited to the local premiere. In lieu of paying for the tickets, the family has designated two very worthy charities to which attendees can donate. We haven't told the kids yet. Probably won't till we get to the theatre. Of course, the only one who hasn't read the book is DH and it is unlikely he will before Friday if ever. :glare: and, please, if you are not a HG fan, pls just call me on the phone or email me or PM me, but let's not turn this into a hg-bashing thread. Thank you.
  16. I mentioned before that my kids and I would be rereading The Hunger Games trilogy in order to do a more in depth study. I mentioned a bunch of project ideas and got a positive response to them. Well, I'm using Cliff's Notes to help me formulate some discussion questions and thought I'd share. I'm uploading them to my blog as we read and discuss each chapter. I have chapters 1-3 posted so far. This link goes to the label I'm using for them so it leads to all of the chapters I've posted so far. See Cliff's Notes to find the answers within the analysis text.
  17. I'm at a total loss as to where this should be posted (K-8 or HS) so I thought I'd just go with the middle ground and go general. Has anyone done something with The Hunger Games for school? If so, what did you do? DS10 and I have recently finished the trilogy. DD12 is at the end of Mockingjay. DH is ready to start Mockingjay. We all love them. So, I decided to ditch some of my literature plans to have us reread the trilogy while doing some fun projects to go along with it. Here are some I've come across in my research to find ideas. Chose a character and create a Fakebook page for them. This requires them to update the character's status updates and comments as we read through the books. They can include status updates from before the character enters the scene in the book through the end of the book or the end of the character. Write about what is in the other backpacks at the feast at the cornucopia. State why you think that's what is in the backpack. What clues in the story made you pick that item? Create a wordling using the mockingjay pattern and words, phrases, or sections appropriate to the story. (We're doing this by hand rather than using software.) Write down names used in the books and do some research on those names? Do you think the author chose those names for a reason? Which ones do you think were chosen with a purpose? Why? Write down the numbers used in Mockingjay and do some research on those numbers. Do they have any significance that might show they were chosen for a reason? (A couple of them, at least, do appear to be picked with a purpose.) Create your own Capitol mutants. What do they look like (create a drawing or realistic description) and what are they able to do? Compare and contrast district 11 and district 12 in a venn diagram. Create a map or diorama of Panem and/or the Hunger Games arena and/or the Quarter Quill arena. Create marketing materials for a tribute in an attempt to gain sponsors. Compare survival in the hunger games arena to survival on the island in Lord of the Flies. Most of these come from http://www.hungergameslessons.com/. She's a teacher that uses the books in her classroom. She sells her lesson plans at Teachers Pay Teachers.
  18. I totally missed where the boy with the limp from district 10 is killed. Can someone tells me when, where and how this happened?
  19. Is this ok for a boy - almost 10 yo? My ds is interested in it and the lady at the bookstore recommended it for 12 and up, but I wanted some more opinions. Thanks!
  20. I read them, thought they were amazing, can't wait to read them again and see the movie! My 11 year old wants to read them...I can't decide. I have explained to her that they are very intense and quite graphic. She is very mature, and I *think* she could handle it. I'm also pretty sure she would stop if she felt it was too much. So, have your children read The Hunger Games books and how did it go?
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