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  1. Ok, I'm in the middle of planning for 9th grade next year, and I have to say that I feel like wailing in dismay. I was reading the thread on the WTM BIology class, that students are spending 15-20 (at least 10+) hours a week on this one class. This is after a thread where I was informed it was perfectly normal for a student to carry 7 credits. This just does not compute for me, or for the kind of life experience my dd is hoping to have for the next 4 years. What gives? If a student does 6 or 7 credits, and spends 10+ hours a week on each, then they are spending 60-70 hours per week on schoolwork. Really??? I'm thinking that 5-6 hours on 6-7 credits - so a range of 30-42 hours - sounds much more reasonable. Clearly, you can cover much less material this way, particularly if you want to go into reasonable depth. My dd also has significant extracurricular activities that she really enjoys, and she spends many hours per week on each. Giving those up so she can spend 15 hours a week on biology is just not even on the table. Nor should it be, for her, IMO. OK: slightly frantic philosophical rant coming up, you been warned: This isn't directed at anybody in particular, but is more of an existential wail. What is the deal with high school?? Are we thinking that this is the last time in their lives kids will learn anything? Do we really expect children between the ages of 14-18 to master multiple fields of knowledge? Most college classes begin at an Introductory level. Not everybody is interested in every topic to the same degree. Isn't it more reasonable to spend high school gaining exposure to a broad array of subjects - exposure, introduction to the main issues and topics of interest and an understanding of how practitioners in that field do their work - rather than expecting them to master the intricate details and esoteric facts of each field? And focus on giving them the tools to learn - how to read deeply and for understanding, how to express themselves clearly in writing and be able to write in different forms and formats for different purposes, how to organize their thoughts and articulate them clearly, how to form an argument that is valid and recognize an argument that is bogus? And, equally importantly, to figure out who they are, how they tick, what their place in the world is, and what lights their fire and makes them *want* to digger deeper and learn more? :rant: If you've made it this far, thanks for listening. I'm just feeling so frustrated and discouraged by this whole process. I want to make sure my dd has a good education and is prepared for college. But I also want her to enjoy her life, and have time to pursue the things that matter to her. I don't want to put her on a treadmill. I'm not sure where the middle ground lies.
  2. Is is too early for a 10th grade thread for the fall? How is 9th grade going? Have you made any decisions for the fall? I'm curious where everyone else is in the planning phase. I feel like we have a good grasp on this year. We're off next week and I'll be planning our final 12 weeks of the year, which sounds odd to say we're almost done with our first year of high school. I have some subjects outlined for next year, some are just a continuation of study from this year. Well have 7- 7.5 credits depending on how 1-2 subjects end up. English II (literature, writing, grammar- yeah he still needs it) Japanese II (Irasshai and Beginning Japanese) Geometry (not sure which program yet) Algebra II (Lial's Intermediate Algebra) Modern Physics (Physics in the 21st century - I have to read through to make sure it's workable) US History with some World history added (Civil War - WWII this year, 1 semester next year for 1945-current) Ethics (.5 credit) - using this workbook, Ethic Workbook I as a base) Star Trek and Its Influence (custom course studying 6 different areas of Star Trek: philosophy, technology, physics, cultures, film study and Star Fleet Academy :D)
  3. I'm thinking ahead to 8th grade planning, which necessitates thinking ahead to high school planning. And it brings me face to face with the elephant in my particular room: I'm not sure if the high school program I envision is going to be the high school plan that my dd wants to follow. :huh: My dd loves homeschooling, and has no desire to go to high school ever - she thinks at this point. She loves learning at her own pace, getting to follow her interests, and having free time to dream and fantasize and play. Her passions are horseback riding and acting, with a side of writing plays and moviemaking, perhaps, although she likes acting the most. We have a local stable nearby where she takes lessons and works twice a week, and we have a local children's theater company that puts on several high-quality productions each year. So her passions are being fed to the extent I can afford. I tailor her classes to her interests as much as possible. But here's the thing - with the best will in the world, I have trouble seeing horseback riding or acting turning into career paths. I think they are fantastic interests, and I support her desire to pursue them whole-heartedly. But I can't help feeling that it's my job to make sure she keeps her academic options open. So I'm planning a strong college-prep high school (she definitely wants to go to college, I'm not pushing that). And I want to make sure she has time to pursue acting and horseback riding as extracurricular interests for as long as she wants to. So my plan is to do 4x4 for sure - 4 english, 4 math, 4 science, and 4 social science, as well as Spanish at the cc. I guess the tension is that I can think of all kinds of electives that I think would be useful, help enrich her mind and life, and expose her to other things she might come to love and want to pursue. Or, she could spend all her electives doing theater classes and equine science classes. What would you do? Would you try to direct your child at all via their electives? I don't mean direct them toward becoming a doctor or a lawyer, I mean direct them toward broadening their exposure and trying out things you suspect might interest them? Or do you have your core requirements and leave the electives strictly up to them? It's not much of a confession to admit that I love science, and I'd love my kids to pursue some kind of science. I try not to be pushy about it, but I do insist that they will have the math skills and the science background so that if they decide to go that route, they will be able to. But when it comes to planning, I find myself planning out this ideal high school sequence for a Biology or ES student. And I'm not sure whether that's the student I have. And I'm not sure how to balance my own enthusiasm/passions with hers, and to be supportive, un-pushy, yet encourage exploration. Does anyone else grapple with stuff like this?
  4. my life would be so much easier now (that I'm trying to do transcripts). What I wish I would have done is: At the beginning of each school year.... Buy Large manila envelopes for each subject (large enough to put spiral notebooks in). Type up a paper listing all the items that could be in that envelope and tape it to the front of the envelope - ie: Photocopy of: Title page for each textbook being used, with the page after which has ISBN, copyright, etc. Table of contents for each textbook used Also Course description downloaded from internet sites for online courses (instead of waiting til 3 years later) (These can change over time too) Tests Sample of work External grade copy (eg for online courses, etc), (esp remembering to get this from dc periodically for online work) Spaces to list all other books used Spaces for other resources Letters of recommendation from the course Papers or presentations given Copy of hours done for course Grade page Copy of lesson plans at the end of the year. Check off items as they are added - like the TC's etc. As new books get used, just add them to the list. As it is now, I'm trying to dig up old textbooks (thankfully I haven't sold them yet) from here and there. I had put tests and sports info in his portfolio. Other lesson planners were in the storeroom. It would have all been so much easier than to wait for a couple of years to amass this stuff. I just kept putting it off. In 9th grade I'd had the idea of doing a portfolio, and then keeping other stuff in other places. In reality now - one notebook portfolio is not nearly enough space, having everything spread out is a nightmare later on, and keeping the coursework as individual units instead of in year portfolios, seems more flexible. I did have the envelope idea last spring, but I didn't have the idea to start the year with them, nor the idea of putting a sheet on the front to check off as I go.... For whomever it can help, I just had to share, Joan (Since we may move back to PA where they look at what you do in Jr. Hi, I'm going to start now for my dd in 7th) (ETA from later post) Some other items to add to the list (some are ideas from a document I got from Lori D. - thank you Lori). For the courses - SAT II/AP/CLEP scores for a subject (these are photocopies of the real document which I keep in a special binder for safety and easy access for the few pages of external really official records I have) Certificates of achievements, honors, awards (copies of ones in binder) Lab reports (or sample of) and photo of a lab experiment being done.(some colleges have asked for this - but not all) Photos of exceptional pieces of artwork Brochures (within reason, for very special events) from field trips, concerts, educational programs or activities attended (where it was not the whole course, just additional) For CAS (Creativity, Action, Service - taken from IB presentation) and work - Theater/performing arts - printed program from play, recital, etc., Service/volunteer work - photos and documentation (see other threads) Sports team - record of wins/losses For the work experience envelope - besides the usual documentation and resume of work experience - photos Other extracurricular activities - certificates of participation
  5. Okay. I think that title sounds a bit wonky but bear with me. I had a realization that my time with Fury is sort of running out. He is 13 and working at mostly 7th grade level. He wants to be a beat cop. I'd like to see him pursue a degree in case the law enforcement didn't pan out. So I'm wondering if you plan first and then worry about the transcript or flesh out a makeshift transcript and reverse-engineer the game plan from that? Or am I being a silly worry wart and there's a much better way?
  6. Over on the High School Board, Lori D has pulled together a lot of dates and considerations for high schoolers and for those of us who are pulling triple duty as parent/teacher/counselor into a High School Timeline. It's a great thread to get you thinking about what sorts of things you need to stay on top of. If you're working on planning 7th, 8th or 9th grade, it would be worth taking a look.
  7. If you had to do it all over again (Moms) and you could start 9th grade with a clean slate ---- What curriculum would you use? Would you use a "boxed" curriculum or individual things? I have read pros and cons of using Christian curriculum, secular curriculum, certain maths, etc. till my head spins. I have no idea where my son will go to college so I can't gear his curriculum towards that right now. I have one child, so this is my only test run with high school. I don't know what curriculum to choose for high school. He's very good doing independent work, so I think I could probably use most anything? Any advice? Anything you wouldn't do again?
  8. My 13 & 14 year olds are rising 9th graders and I'm starting planning.. My ds is 14, this year we did grade "8.5" we could have started 9th grade but we decided it would give him the advantage in highschool. His birthday is in Mid-November and our cut off date is Dec 1st. I'm so glad we did! It gave him the time to prepare for highschool and mature alot. He wants to be a history teacher . He absoulutely loves history. :D I think he'll do MFW Ancient History & Literature, I already bought it :tongue_smilie:. We've used some of the Teaching Company Lectures and he loves them, would it be to much to add them in? He's likes some science topics (Chemistry & Physics) but we need to get through Biology, which he doesn't like at all. I was looking into Shepard's Biology. The biggest aspect that I like about it is the lab dvd's. We can do some of the labs but watch some of them too. Anyone have any experience with it? He does not like math at all and sometimes struggles with it. Last year we did Teaching Textbooks Algebra 1 and this year we're doing Life of Fred Beginning Algebra. I'm looking to switch to something else for Algebra 2 or Geometry. Which one should he take first and any suggestions? My dd is 13 and will be 14 in November so she's a younger 9th grader. She's a gymnast and easily spends 25 hours in the gym practicing. I'm not sure what to use with her. She loves learning and reading but most lit based curriculua take more time a day then she can spend on the subjects. She currently wakes up at 7 does school work until about 12 and then goes to the gym until about 4 comes home does more school work eats dinner and then crashes. She could do MFW AHL but I think that would take to much of her time. She's doesn't really like history so I don't know if I want to have english & bible revolve around history. I know we'll use AoPS Intro to Geometry and I'll probably have her do the same science as ds but I have no idea what to use for English, History or Religion. Then there's electives. We're going to continue with Latin. We also are going to do P.E and Health. My dd does yoga and works out in the gym for gymnastics, Ds does work outs and conditioning for soccer and hockey and can I count that as P.E? For Health I was thinking I'd use MFW's plans for both of them. Then there's whatever co-op classes they want to do and have time to do. If you read through that thank you! I'm kind of freaking out about highschool. I need to :chillpill:. If you have any suggestions to any of the questions above I'm all :bigear:
  9. While I get tons of helpful info here at WTM on HSIng highschool, sometimes I like to curl up in bed with a book. What is your fav HSing highschool book? Thanks, Capt Uhura
  10. I am looking for something mainly to help with course descriptions, as well as support in how best to approach college admissions, etc. You know, high school 'stuff'. I see several offerings... Ultimate Guide to Homeschooling Teens Senior High: A Home-Designed Form-U-La Homeschooling High School Setting the Record Straight I'm sure there are probably more out there. I cannot buy them all though and I am a bit paralyzed on which would best serve my needs for high school. Do you have a favorite?? If so, can you tell me what makes it stand out? Thank you!!!
  11. I've been reading her book, and it seems to contain some very useful ideas, despite the rather random organization. What I'm having a hard time figuring out is what does this look like when put into actual practice? If you've implemented her ideas, would you be willing to tell me about what kinds of paperwork you have for each course, how one course differs from another and how you decide what iteration to use for which class, and how you have it all organized? Thanks, I'm just trying to wrap my head around all this.
  12. :bigear:Which do you like better- The Ultimate Guide to Homeschooling Teens OR Senior High: A Home-Designed Form+U+La? Okay, I've seen both of these recommended and would love to know if anyone has read both of these books and has a preference.
  13. Ok, I'm starting to get horribly confused about what he should take his remaining 2 years. I'll show you what he has taken so far. He also plays the piano and particpates in competitions. He plays really well and with such expression, but he would quit in a heartbeat if we would let him. He wants to major in computer science. 8th grade Alg I- TT algebra I and II Apologia Biology 9th grade English I- consisted of TOG year 3 rhetoric, Vocabulit, and 2/3 of Analytical Grammar 19th Century World history- TOG rhetoric including church history SOS Spanish I Logic- Introductory and Intermediate Logic as well as Teaching Co lectures (loved these classes) Chalkdust Geometry Apologia Chemistry 10th Grade English II- consited of TOG year 4 rhetoric, various vocbulary and finishing Analytical Grammar 20th Century World History- TOG rhetoric Church history- 1/2 credit all year of TOG C.S. LEwis- 1/2 credit, he has read ALL of his works, listened to Teaching company lectures and written response paragraphs for each lecture( questions I found online), a documented essay and will be doing a research paper. With the exception of the writing, he has LOVED this class. It was his choice to do it. I wasn't sure he could handle it with all of his math classes, but he has. SOS Spanish II Driver's Ed= 1/2 credit Algebra II- Larson's Elementary and intermediate combined course AP Statistics through PA Homeschoolers Apologia Physics Ok.. so here is what I am looking at. I'm having trouble figuring out what he needs, can handle without overwhelming him.. AP stats has been challenging, but he is holding his own. He made a B+ last semester. He kind of wishes he had waited until his junior year to take this. HOwever, he has enjoyed the class and learned a TON and actually it is the first time he has been challenged or had to work at understanding a subject. See this is what I am concerned about. He is beyond me in math and science and now needs advanced work that I cannot do.... Junior Year English III- my creation of major works from 1800 to the present that we haven't done yet. I would be looking at possibly taking the AP literature exam. I have several resources to help him do that. I placed out of English this way, and it is my field. AP Government- PA Homeschoolers He LOVES to watch the news and read editorials and is always bringing up things he has read or political cartoons. He listens to political talk shows on the radio. So I think he would really enjoy this class AP Chemistry- Now, he could do this online with PA homeschoolers, just do the Apologia advanced book at home with me and the AP prep book ( but I won't be much help) Now he could take some kind of a science his second semester at the CC but it would need to be a science that he wouldn't build on as it isn't rigrorous enough... like Geology...maybe chemistry as it seems most computer degrees have tons of physics not chemistry . ( He hated Biology and would rather not take that ever again.) Spanish I and II for dual credit at the community colllege- This is a done deal. the teacher is AWESOME and loves homeschoolers. He needs to meet with other people and he needs to speak the language. The grammar should be easy for him after SOS. PE- 1/2 credit I was going to have him do Bowling or something as his second class Computer programming- Now, should he go ahead and start this if he wants to do this as a career? He needs a computer credit anyway. He could take a computer programing class at the CC in the spring but Letourneau wouldn't accept it. However, it would give him exposure. He could take the PA Homeschoolers AP Computer class. He could take a class in the spring at LeTourneau but it would be a tough class.. Chalkdust PreCalculus- Can't help him with it. He would probably be fine. He could take it at the CC but it wouldn't be as good content-wise as Chalkdust, but he would have someone to ask questions and interact with... Health- 1/2 credit using MFW lesson plans Finances- was considering this but maybe it is too much... Then I start to get really confused after this.. He needs a speech credit. Perhaps he should take a composition class at the CC or LeTourneau. He doesn't have a fine arts credit. He needs economics and the PA class looks REALLY fun. He has all of his stuff entered in money and I think this class would appeal to his geeky math mind. He loves discussing the national budget and such. Although he says he is a math kid, his scores have always been pretty equal in his standardized testing. He will at least be a commended student and might be semi-finalist. He isn't like my middle child who devours books. He loves all Teaching Company lectures, even dry ones. He reads things like Outliers for fun ( or his CS Lewis books). Other than piano his only other outside activity is running the power point/worship stuff for church which he does a lot and for all of the special programs and such. I'm just not sure what he should take and what he can handle next year..much less the next.. Christine
  14. Do you have a favorite book (or books) that have helped you in preparing your high school student for college? Something that holds your hand and helps you know what is important to cover in high school, and how to go about college admissions, etc. It's funny, but I have actually graduated two children who are doing quite well for themselves. They had zero aspirations of going to a 4-yr university though, so it was pretty easy to get them through high school and on to community college. I mean cc takes ANYONE! Youngest ds really wants to go to University though. The ONLY way to get him there is with some type of scholarship/merit award. I have no experience with that. None. He starts 9th grade next year! Eeek. Help? Anyone?
  15. I'd always thought I'd homeschool all the way through, but with one more year to go till we get there, I admit to thinking more and more about sending them to ps for high school. Our local ps has an excellent academic reputation, tons of extracurriculars, an internship program, and after years of polling everyone I know who goes there or has a kid who goes there, I have yet to hear anything negative... the alternative seems to be paying lots of money for cc (dual enrollment not funded here) or online classes that I could probably get better teachers for and for free at the local ps. I know that wouldn't be for all classes, but at least for lab sciences and perhaps some upper level math. BUT... if I go the ps route, I want it to be a positive decision, not because I'm tired. :tongue_smilie: So... I'm looking for the best books out there to prep for homeschooling high school. I know about the Teenage Liberation Handbook - any other books that have inspired you or encouraged you to stay the course?
  16. I'm looking for a good general guide book for homeschooling through the high school years. We have nothing locally and I'm not sure what to get based on sample pages and reviews. Anyone know of a great book?
  17. I know homeschooling thru high school isn't just for the well-off, but I'm at a loss at how to do it "economically." I've looked into some online homeschool co-ops that offer classes on a donation basis, but I would still need to supplement some coursework with local classes and/or CD-Rom programs (and the cost does not look "cheap"). Please share how you homeschool your high school student with limited economic resources.
  18. My 9th grade DD will be coming home from PS after this semester. I have no clue what to do! We home schooled last year but I looked at it like, it was a year....I can't mess her up too bad :-) We had a lot of fun and she learned a lot, which is why she wants to come home. I don't know why I am so nervous about this... If anyone has any advice, book recommendations, or curriculum recommendations (secular) it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
  19. My son is starting 9th grade this fall, and I'm floundering. I just don't know what to do or where to start planning. I'm scanning the thread titles for inspiration, and I just keep wondering how you all got to the point where you are. How did you come up with that book list for ninth grade, or that list of history programs you are considering, or that list of videos that you plan to have your student watch that correlates with your history. etc....? I'm so far from having all of that together, and I don't know where to start. I think a big part of the problem is that it's been a long time since I haven't had a guide to follow. Throughout our homeschooling, I've used TWTM as a guide, and used suggestions from the curriculum boards to substitute programs and books where they fit better than TWTM in that area. However, I reread the high school portion of the book, and the classical model doesn't really fit my ds anymore (or appeal to me, for that matter.) I want ds to have a rigorous college prep education with a strong Christian/biblical emphasis, but I don't know of any books that would help guide me in planning that. So I just feel like I'm going on nothing, with no safety net to help me make sure I am covering the bases... as though no one has ever done it this way before, and I need to totally come up with it on my own-- when I know that's not true, and I'd really be reinventing the wheel to do so. Some things I do have figured out... I have a book that tells me how many credits are needed in which subjects for college. I have a good idea of which books we're using for math, and science. But other than that, I really don't know what to do. So I guess what I'm asking is, how did you get your bearings and come up with a plan for high school? Was there a book that you used as a resource? Any thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
  20. I have: Homeschooling the High Schooler and Senior High: A Home-Designed Form+U+la. The latter book is annoying to me...a little too cutesy. I would like a bottom line, this is how you do it, kind of book. Any recommendations? Also, what works best for your family? Do you create course contracts, log hours or books read, or what? How do you decide on what is appropriate for college prep classes? Thank you so much! :)
  21. Hello! Im so glad to have joined this forum as I see such a great turn out and variety of posts. My question is regarding my soon to be 7th grader. I want to plan ahead to know what scope and sequence/direction to go with her. This will help me both in finding things along the way (garage sales, ebay etc) AND more importantly, ensure a good solid course of study for her. Do any of you use some kind of planner that suggests a course of study or do you just wing it? I know that in HS it will be much more important to be particular about scheduling, but I want 7-8th grades to lead in that direction for ease. Any suggestions or pointing in the right direction would be appreciated!!
  22. We'll be starting 9th grade next fall and I'm petrified and overwhelmed! I would love some recommendations for books or dvds that will help me plan and provide some guidance. (I have WTM) My library has limited selections so I wil probably have to make some purchases. I'd like to spend my money wisely! Thanks!
  23. As I prepare to teach high school next year, I am beginning to doubt myself. Honestly, I haven't felt this way since our first year homeschooling. I am questioning myself, even though I have a BA, and my ability to prepare my dd for her future. Others are questioning me as well, it seems that hsing is acceptable to people (family, our pastor) up to a point, but highschool is a whole different story. Even my dd wishes to go to a tradional school (not an option!) I read the hs boards and I get worried, dd is a great student but not exceptional, not AP material as far as I can tell at this point. there are so many great teachers on this board, I feel ill prepared for what is to come. So, how do I prepare myself for teaching hs. What resources are musts in your opinion? What helped you the most? I have WTM, TOG, many TC dvd's. What else? If you had doubts, what helped you the most? Throw me a line :crying: .
  24. My son will be starting high school in Fall 2011. I have several friends who already have children in high school. From what they say, their children do all their work on their own. The parents don't teach, they just hand the book and lessons to the child to do figure out and do by themselves. I even have one friends who says she has no idea what her son is even doing in math! These are all very smart children and they seem to do just fine with this arrangement. But to me, it seems kinda unfair. If your child were in high school at a public or private school, the teacher would actually teach them. And even when I went to college, the professors taught us our work. Please don't think I'm trying to insult those who do this method- I'm just trying to understand where it comes from. I look forward to reading and discussing "The Oddysey" with my son in 9th grade, not letting him do it all alone. Also, I know he'll need (and benefit from ) me teaching him his new math concepts, etc. We are a very close family and homeschooling has just added to it. I don't want to lose that, kwim? I don't sit over my children and watch their every pencil stroke, but I am still the teacher :) So, what is the hive's opinion? Again, I hope no one takes offense at this because that's not what I'm trying to do. Thanks :)
  25. My ds (currently) 6th grade has started expressing interest in homeschooling for hs. That may change but it looks like we are headed in the direction of homeschooling all the way until graduation. While I always kept it out there as an option I really thought we would do public school for high school so I haven't given it much thought. I'm a planner, though, and would like to start investigating all that homeschooling high school will entail. We will definitely by exploring different options for outsourcing/ correspondence, etc. I'd like to tag a book onto my Rainbow Resource order about homeschooling high school but am not sure which to choose. Opinions? Thanks, Marie
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