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  1. Time Left: 2 days and 20 hours

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    Henle Latin Grammar (used for all four years of Henle Latin) and Henle First Year Latin Answer Key--together $11 + shipping Nonsmoking, pet-free home.


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  2. I've made a decision (I think) to continue my son's Latin by using Henle; he has been using Latin Book One ( the free vintage one by Scott and Horn), and is over half way through, BUT we are burning out. The problem? I need more teacher support. I have the free answer key for LBO, but I need more. I need a schedule. Something that tells him exactly what to do each day (or week). I need open and go, not sit and plan. I have six children, and limited brain power to devote to Latin planning right now. I am more than happy to facilitate his progress, grade quizzes, check homework, and say, "hmm, your subject needs to be in the nominative case," but I can't be the one that thinks through every step of every little thing for this class. My son does have 1/2 credit of Latin done last year (through Latin Book One), and I would like to just keep on slow and steady and finish this race to get his two credits of foreign language. He is getting rather mule-like over LBO, though. He feels he has been doing this book forever, with no end in sight. We cannot afford to outsource, and most online classes for high school Latin are too hard core for his interest level right now. He was pumped to learn Latin when he was six, but at sixteen, that love has moved on to other things. ;) He is able to do well, but is not really motivated for Latin at the moment. He just wants to get. it. done. I too have let go of my visions of AP Latin that were dancing in my head, and I am ready to let good enough be good enough. So, which guide(s) will get us two years of Henle, at a reasonable pace for an average student, without breaking the bank? Any advice or BTDT perspectives would be great. :)
  3. I am thinking of using Henle next year for 6th and I have no idea what I need to purchase to make it work. I looked up some old threads to get an idea but the links to books and sites didn't work anymore so I thought I would try a fresh thread. I read something about a syllabus for it, is that necessary or is it just really helpful? I like really helpful when it is in regards to making my planning and scheduling easier ;) Thanks!
  4. I may be late to discover this amazing resource for Henle first year, but I am sharing it because there may be others as well. Magistra Jones has created PDF documents for the exercises in Henle First Year, and posted links in her blog. She's currently finished Lesson 37 (out of 42) but is still working on the rest of the book. If you, like I, are looking for ways to make Henle a little more easy on the eyes and the younger student, you may want to check out her files. http://magistrajones.blogspot.com/p/exercises-1-20-henle-fyl.html
  5. I have a couple of questions about Henle Latin. Could I s l o w l y start Henle Latin I with a 5th grader? Also, there are 4 levels of Henle, correct? If she worked thru the 4 levels throughout middle school, what would we do for high school Latin? One last question...if you used Henle, where did you buy it? Memoria Press? Thank-you for taking time to answer my questions!
  6. My son just completed Fourth Form Latin. The Memoria Press sight suggests moving on to Henle II, which is what I pretty much had planned. I'm just curious if anyone has used anything else and had it transition nicely, or conversely, if anyone had issues moving on to Henle II. Are there any good teaching helps for Henle II? I know MP has guidelines and what-not for Henle I, but I see very little for Henle II. Thanks for any suggestions or advice!
  7. My kids are studying Henle Latin through Classical Conversations' Challenge program. I am wanting to give them my own quizzes/tests at home. There are several options out there to purchase and I wanted to get some feedback on their use. If you've used them could you comment? Thanks! Memoria Press First Year Latin Quizzes and Tests MODG Latin 1 Syllabus OLV Progress Tests Seton Latin 1 tests with partial key I mainly want to use them so I can gauge how effective their current study habits are.
  8. My DS wants to learn Latin. Although he is not yet in high school, he took an online test that indicated he is ready to study high school level Latin. The test was for an online class and we have decided not to take Latin online for now. I am planning to get him Henle Latin with the Study Guide to direct his lessons. Henle does not seem to include pronunciation (he has no prior Latin). Am I missing something? Is pronunciation of a language he will not be speaking important? What else will he need? At what point did your DC begin reading Latin and what supplements do you use for this?
  9. I know many of us are planning and ordering already. Do you have a firm idea or what you'll be using? Subjects? Curricula? Are you still on the fence? Waiting until the reality of high school sinks in? Avoiding all planning until the laundry is caught up? :lol: I'd love to see where everyone is in their planning. Here's our agenda. I have to wait on a few subjects, pending his ability at the end of this school year. I'm dividing the year into 3 12 week sessions, fall, winter, and spring. Latin- Wheelock's Japanese - Irasshai (both are continuation of this year) Math - Geometry (text undecided) English - Writing (fall), Literary analysis (winter) - materials undecided Science - Integrated spread over 3 years, Physics- College Physics Knight, Jones, Field (fall), chemistry - CK12 text (winter), biology - The Way life works will be main text for this year (spring) History - Ancient Greek/Egyptian: History (fall) Spielvogel Western Civ, Herodotus, TTC courses on Greeks, Pharaohs, & Early Civilizations, Literature (winter) - Iliad & Odyssey (Lattimore) with Vandiver lectures, Greek Tragedies and a comedy (undecided), Philosophy (spring) - Aristotle (undecided) and Plato's Republic. Intro to Philosophy - The Theory of Knowledge, The Story of Philosophy (fall & winter sessions)
  10. We have been using the following progression to learn Latin: Prima Latina, Latina Christiana I, Latina Christiana II, Henle's First Year Latin. I have two questions about learning verb principle parts and noun genders. Or rather, more about memorizing them. LC II introduces the idea of principle parts of verbs, and tells you that you must learn all the parts (usually four, but sometimes just three). LC II mostly just gives you the parts that fit a regular pattern, just to make it easy for the beginning student. So, sometimes you only get two parts. I think somewhere in the book (or maybe the TM) it says that you will learn the other parts later, as they are irregular. Well, I'm on my second go-round with LC II, and those other parts never got learned. When my son was first into the Henle book, I decided to look up, in the back of the Henle book, the missing parts and add them to his flashcards from his previous books. I thought I had missed something from LC II. Also, I figured he could handle memorizing the irregular parts, and I was correct. Also, I am sure that somewhere in LC II it says to have the student also start reciting the gender of each noun (when going through flashcards), even though the noun flashcards are now separated into piles such as "Third Declension Masculine" and so forth. I can't remember where in LC II I read it, and I couldn't find it today upon doing a quick skim, but I was pretty sure I was instructed to do so, because I started having my son do it. Not just the rare masculine nouns in first declension, but every single noun's gender in every single pile. So. The fruits of all this memory work have been fine for my son. I have a feeling my daughter is going to have a more difficult time. But maybe not. We will see when we start up again in January, because that is when I will gently introduce reciting all the principle parts of verbs, then introduce reciting the noun genders of each card. This week I looked through the rest of LC II (dd is on week 12), and it never did get around to telling us what the rest of those principle parts were on those verbs that had irregular 3rd and 4th parts. So, I went through all their cards, with dictionary in hand, and wrote them all in. Fun, fun!!! NOT. (I won't require my daughter to recite the irregular 3rd and 4th parts yet, but I still put them on the cards because I was on a roll I didn't want to have to get back into at a later point, lol) Fast forward to Henle. Henle does put in all the missing verb principle parts, so I don't have to look them up. (I've been quite irritated with LC for many reasons, and this is yet another - that it promises to do something, and then doesn't do it - it's as if Memoria Press was planning to come up with a LC III, and never did - maybe that's what First to Fourth Forms became, but that doesn't help those of us who used LC I and II and then went on to Henle) Also, with Henle I automatically write the noun gender on each card as we come to nouns. So here are my questions: - If you are learning Latin (or really, any other language), how important is it to memorize every single principle part of every verb you encounter? I get why it's important to memorize principle parts, for the sake of translation work - you need to know which part to use for particular functions. But in general, if one goes on learning a language even beyond standard Latin translation work, does one go on to keep memorizing principle parts of verbs? - And how important is it to recite the noun gender when reciting noun flashcards? I have found it has been helpful to ds, I suppose especially in third declension nouns because there are so many exceptions.....maybe that's my answer? I guess I'm just wondering because I see so many flashcards in each child's flashcard basket. I know one benefit, that people always talk about here, of Henle is that Henle doesn't introduce much vocabulary. It concentrates more on grammar forms, and I understand why. Hmm....on that note, I am now also wondering why PL/LC I/LC II introduced so much vocabulary - much of it isn't even being used now in Henle! But I guess it's helpful to their English vocabulary, right? Anyway, just wondering if we might be overdoing it in those couple of areas. But then again, ds has learned this stuff over the past six years, so slow accumulation is a good thing, right? Dd is just in her third year of learning Latin, so the same idea could apply, right?
  11. We are about 70% done with her first guide but we'd like to move a bit more quickly. Other than simply doubling up on the assignments in her next book, is there another Henle guide that moves at a bit of a faster pace? I know of the MODG guide, but can't find any sample that show the inside...
  12. Is the level of difficulty of Athenaze closer to Wheelock's or Henle's? DD has had no trouble with Henle yet and I would like to find a book that teaches Attic or Homeric Greek at about the same level of ease as Henle. She knows the Greek alphabet, can sound out Greek words, but that's about it. ETA: Also asking this on K-8 board.
  13. I have been doing Latin for the past year, Henle, with my 6th grader and he is just not making the connection of how to conjugate and decline for different parts of speech, tenses etc. Is this a developmental thing like reading or something else? He is smart as a whip but hates to not get stuff right away so I do not know if he is just being stubborn. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. Do I take a year off? Do I go back to a beginner Latin program? I am getting frustrated and I know he is. Thanks! Angie
  14. Ds is memorizing the personal pronouns from Henle right now. First person, second person, and third person. What we do not understand is, when do you use the nominative cases of these?? When translating English to Latin, I thought the pronouns were understood from the verb endings. And when I correct his work, I do not see nominative case pronouns in the answer key, yet he is putting them in. I don't know if he is correct or not, and we are getting frustrated. Can anyone explain this to me? Henle has not indicated anything about this, so far. Or maybe I am not understanding something, which is entirely possible - boy, learning Latin is complicated to me!
  15. So what does one need to know when choosing between these two? What about online classes for each? Teaching approach? Usefulness in preparing for the National Latin Exam? Etc... Danielle
  16. I just read through a whole bunch of past Latin threads to try and think through what I want our Latin goals to be. There seem to be two main reasons people talk about: 1. to read Latin books fluently, or 2. for the grammar/logical reasoning/English-shaping aspects of Latin study. I haven't decided which way I want to go yet, but came up with some questions. To those who want their kids to be able to read Latin books fluently, why do you want this? Is it just so they can enjoy the reading/viewing life and history through another language, or do the NLE and AP tests for verification/possible college credit factor into this? To anyone doing Henle, if a person does ALL of First Year Latin (Henle I), can Second Year Latin be done in just a year (say, in grade 9 or 10), since some of it will be review of Henle I? Or do you find that Henle II could take a couple of years? (I know that you can do just some of Henle 1 and then go into Henle 2 to save time, but I am doing Henle 1 with a middle grader, and don't have the concern about "losing" a year of study in high school, if we want to have time to go into reading Latin books - I feel better about completing the entire Henle 1 and getting a solid footing with grammar) And the thing I'm really wondering about is, does anyone actually use Henle III and Henle IV?? Meaning, Third Year and Fourth Year Latin? I've searched and searched and found ONE poster who said she planned to do that. If you have either of these books, or have used them, can you tell me more about them? Are they mostly reading? Or is there more grammar study in them (either new or review)? I read on one thread that there is some grammar in Third Year. If you use/have used them, how did you go about it with your child or yourself? Can you use each of these in one year? Are there online classes that use Henle III and IV? Are they one-year classes? The reason I ask about III and IV is because most of the posts I found said that people go through Henle II then switch to online classes for Latin reading courses after intensive grammar study. I wonder why? Why not use Henle III and IV? (I always wonder why, when I don't see people using what I see recommended in WTM:D, since I've used and trusted AND been happy with most of the recs so far) Finally, if you mostly doing Latin for the grammar/logical reasoning/English-shaping reasons, AND you are using Henle for this, how far did you/do you plan to go in Henle? Is Henle II good enough, or would you do Henle III or IV for some reason within these goals? Thank you.
  17. I have fallen from the WTM Latin track ... sigh . . . DS who will be in 7th grade in the fall has gone midway through LC1 - but hasn't touched it since 5th grade (started in 4th grade). I'm thinking rather than try to continue in that series - since I have no intention of adding it back in this year - Is to pick a course that would serve as a first year course for a middle school age student. Would First Form Latin be that course? Would Henle be too much of jump? Should I look at something else. I'd really like something that he could do independently. So what do you think? Thanks!
  18. Hi, Ds and dd started Latin studies in 3rd grade, with Prima Latina (dd is doing this now). Ds has completed LCI and II, and is doing Henle's First Year Latin now in 6th grade. I've never studied Latin, and I have just planned so far to follow the recs in WTM. For Henle 1, I planned that we would take 6th-8th grade to do it, simply because it's mentioned in WTM as a possibility. I just wonder how realistic this is, considering that Latin is not our only subject - see my sig. So far I've been able to keep up with either figuring the next exercise/lesson out on the spot or the night before, but I am slipping in my ability to keep grammar forms/vocab memorized. Ds does a lot better at it, and we do drill 3-4 days a week. I tried to keep up with studying a week ahead of time last year, but I just periodically panic about SO many new skills for me to learn and know about (grammar, math, science skills, logic, etc.), that I don't ever feel I can dive deeply enough into one skill area to teach it REALLY well - not and have time to do my life's other duties and sleep. I guess I'm now questioning what I expect to get out of Latin study for my kids - do I want them to be able to read books in Latin? Do I want them to just have the mind exercise that studying Latin provides? The vocab background? Will they be disappointed if we don't get all the way through Henle 4? Does anyone even do that?? What is in books 3 and 4 anyway? What is book 2 all about - it seems to me like it's a lot more reading, but with review of grammar/new grammar, and exercises based on reading - is it considered a grammar course or a reading course or both? How stupid would it be to just learn the grammar/vocab and then not get to reading after book 2? What other questions should I be asking myself? I'm wondering whether I should slow Henle 1 down to 4 years, because I *thought* I had plotted out a good pace, but we are a bit "behind" - we started off well because it was review of LC, but now we seem to be slowing down to absorb new concepts/prepare new flashcards/get notes into the notebook/work through the exercises. Or maybe I need to tackle it differently? I let ds translate phrases and words orally, but for sentences I have him write down the Latin sentence when going from English to Latin. And, I admit, I have him write the Latin *and* English when going from Latin to English - I had in mind that it would be good for him to do "copywork" of Latin to get the feel of the words/spelling/sentence construction as already written in the book. Sounds good, but it does take up time....Part of this is that it saves *me* time - I do SO much of his other work orally with him (some math, grammar, etc.) as I tutor him through his first 1.5 or so hours of the day in various skills before giving him his independent work and assignment list. But he hates having to write Latin and English, and I'm unsure about making him do it - so I default for now to making him do it. I wonder if continuing in Latin will get easier for him to take over in the future - right now I'm still the driver for this. And we cannot afford online classes or tutors right now, and can't foresee that we will be able to in a few more years. And anyway, it just seems overall easier to do this at home, as long as I know how to teach my kids to study. If Latin is going to be the ancient language of our high school studies, is it pointless to just get through book 2 (if I decide to slow it all down)? (High school here is only grades 10-12, BTW) Oh wait, I just realized something - book 2 says that it covers things from book 1, and that if you just get through unit 7 (I think) in book 1, units 8-14 will also be covered in book 2. But I'm the kind of girl who wants to finish one book before doing the next. Will book 2 be easier/faster if we complete book 1? Also, since high school here is just three years, universities list requirements in 2-3 year increments, not four, so there isn't possibility (that I've seen yet, anyway) of uni requiring things like "four years of the same foreign language." Thanks for reading - I basically just want to know what I should be considering as my end-of-high-school goal/s for Latin, and how pacing of Henle 1 and 2/fitting in 3 and 4 should figure into this. I'm not a LCC person - I couldn't drop English grammar to accommodate Latin. Also I'm wondering how realistic it is that a high schooler, trained in study skills (new vocab/grammar forms? make flashcards and drill every day, and write them out a few times in your notebook to rivet them in your mind. new concept/derivatives? take notes in your notebook. new exercises? write out the Latin, either in translation or as copywork.), could continue in Latin without me having *more* knowledge of the language than him/her (I know that later on a tutor would come in really handy - I'd probably rather find and pay for a knowledgeable tutor for help when snags happen, than to conform to an online class). I hope this makes sense. I always just kind of "pour" my thoughts out when starting new threads about things I am wondering about.
  19. My daughter is 11 and has done 3 years of Latin. (LCI, LCII and One year of Henle through Unit 3) I am thinking of an online course for her to continue Latin. She's learned Ecclesiastical and has no desire to switch to Classical. During Highschool, I'll introduce her to Classical, in case she wants to study in a Secular atmosphere. (and because I understand that Classical is more appropriate for many readings) Who has used an online course that they love. And, if you remember how much it cost, that'd be great! She's going into 6th grade:-) Thanks!! Carrie
  20. Argh. It's all there. All of it. Book. Workbook. A guide that fills in all the blanks. Premade flashcards, even. Online games to test the kids. Everything. All. Right. There. I just want to cry. Why, oh why did I pick the wrong Latin program two years ago? Can I get those years back?
  21. My son is going to be in 4th grade next year and my plan was: 4th grade LC I, 5th grade First Form Latin, 6th grade Second Form Latin (should be ready by then according to their rep at the WTM conference), and then start with a local tutor in Henle in 7th grade. Lively Latin, though, is calling to me. :D If I start with LL next year, what would I use between finishing it and starting Henle in 7th grade? Would it even be a good lead in to Henle? I'm so confused about Latin!
  22. On another thread, Moira mentioned that her highschool daughters were able to move into Henle 2 after completing unit 7 of Henle 1. Sure enough, I read the intro to Henle 2 and it supports that. (Apparently only the "high ability" Latin students finished all of Henle 1 their freshman year. "Regular" classes were satisfied to complete unit 7.) When I compare the lessons in Henle 2 with the lessons we'd miss out of Henle 1, units 8-14, I can see where most of the essential grammar is covered in Henle 2 (although perhaps not as "in depth"?) Is there an advantage to taking a second year to complete Henle 1, so as to get a "very thorough" mastery of Latin grammar? Or do others recommend moving on to Henle 2, because it's more rewarding to read Caesar (and the others) and learn grammar to go along with that? (My ds will be in 10th grade.) If we were to start Henle 2 after Henle 1/unit 7, I would do lessons 1-16, then begin the Caesar readings keyed to lessons 17-28 ("The Helvetian drive to the west" and "Revolt along the seacoast" and "The first invasion of Britain"). Is that the best approach? Finally, what do I do with the other readings at the beginning of Henle 2 that aren't keyed to the lessons (e.g. "The German Peril" and "Danger in the Alps")? Just read them? Are the translations in the answer key? Does anyone have a schedule for Henle 2? I'd love to see it. TIA, Cindy
  23. I've done more research on both Henle and Cambridge, thanks to the help and links several of you gave me yesterday, and I'm leaning toward Henle. I have a few more questions: Looks like it's possible to move on to the second Henle text without completing the first, provided the basics are covered? Would that be the equivalent of a 1st year Latin course? There are curriculum guides by two different authors--Lowe and Berquist--anyone use both, one for tests and the other for daily work? Or is that overkill? Do you use Henle for four years, or switch after a year or two? Generally, I find it better to stick with one series or author--once we get used to the format of the books, it's easier for ds to work independently if things don't change too much. But it looks like Henle is perhaps not challenging enough for AP or NLE--is that accurate? My son will be in 8th next year, so we could complet a four-year program. Thanks again!
  24. Does First Form replace Henle or Latina Christiana or does it fall somewhere between those two? Highlands Latin School does First Form 1,2 and 3 in grades 4-6 and then goes to Henle in 7th. I was thinking about trying First Form for dd next fall in 7th but would this be backtracking? We are only in Unit 1 of Henle (but I hope to finish it by summer) and are moving slowly right now. We did not do Latina Christian 1 or 2 (we did use Prima Latina and Our Roman Roots). I was planning on our picking up the pace in 7th. I had considered adding Cambridge but also like the new program Latin for the New Millennium. I also wanted to hear more about First Form. Thanks everyone:001_smile:
  25. I think they do Henle over a four year period. Can you tell me how many lessons or how many exercises they schedule for each year? Or, I could use another four year schedule, too. I would really appreciate it. Thanks! Carrie
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