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We have been using the following progression to learn Latin: Prima Latina, Latina Christiana I, Latina Christiana II, Henle's First Year Latin. I have two questions about learning verb principle parts and noun genders. Or rather, more about memorizing them. LC II introduces the idea of principle parts of verbs, and tells you that you must learn all the parts (usually four, but sometimes just three). LC II mostly just gives you the parts that fit a regular pattern, just to make it easy for the beginning student. So, sometimes you only get two parts. I think somewhere in the book (or maybe the TM) it says that you will learn the other parts later, as they are irregular. Well, I'm on my second go-round with LC II, and those other parts never got learned. When my son was first into the Henle book, I decided to look up, in the back of the Henle book, the missing parts and add them to his flashcards from his previous books. I thought I had missed something from LC II. Also, I figured he could handle memorizing the irregular parts, and I was correct. Also, I am sure that somewhere in LC II it says to have the student also start reciting the gender of each noun (when going through flashcards), even though the noun flashcards are now separated into piles such as "Third Declension Masculine" and so forth. I can't remember where in LC II I read it, and I couldn't find it today upon doing a quick skim, but I was pretty sure I was instructed to do so, because I started having my son do it. Not just the rare masculine nouns in first declension, but every single noun's gender in every single pile. So. The fruits of all this memory work have been fine for my son. I have a feeling my daughter is going to have a more difficult time. But maybe not. We will see when we start up again in January, because that is when I will gently introduce reciting all the principle parts of verbs, then introduce reciting the noun genders of each card. This week I looked through the rest of LC II (dd is on week 12), and it never did get around to telling us what the rest of those principle parts were on those verbs that had irregular 3rd and 4th parts. So, I went through all their cards, with dictionary in hand, and wrote them all in. Fun, fun!!! NOT. (I won't require my daughter to recite the irregular 3rd and 4th parts yet, but I still put them on the cards because I was on a roll I didn't want to have to get back into at a later point, lol) Fast forward to Henle. Henle does put in all the missing verb principle parts, so I don't have to look them up. (I've been quite irritated with LC for many reasons, and this is yet another - that it promises to do something, and then doesn't do it - it's as if Memoria Press was planning to come up with a LC III, and never did - maybe that's what First to Fourth Forms became, but that doesn't help those of us who used LC I and II and then went on to Henle) Also, with Henle I automatically write the noun gender on each card as we come to nouns. So here are my questions: - If you are learning Latin (or really, any other language), how important is it to memorize every single principle part of every verb you encounter? I get why it's important to memorize principle parts, for the sake of translation work - you need to know which part to use for particular functions. But in general, if one goes on learning a language even beyond standard Latin translation work, does one go on to keep memorizing principle parts of verbs? - And how important is it to recite the noun gender when reciting noun flashcards? I have found it has been helpful to ds, I suppose especially in third declension nouns because there are so many exceptions.....maybe that's my answer? I guess I'm just wondering because I see so many flashcards in each child's flashcard basket. I know one benefit, that people always talk about here, of Henle is that Henle doesn't introduce much vocabulary. It concentrates more on grammar forms, and I understand why. Hmm....on that note, I am now also wondering why PL/LC I/LC II introduced so much vocabulary - much of it isn't even being used now in Henle! But I guess it's helpful to their English vocabulary, right? Anyway, just wondering if we might be overdoing it in those couple of areas. But then again, ds has learned this stuff over the past six years, so slow accumulation is a good thing, right? Dd is just in her third year of learning Latin, so the same idea could apply, right?
My dd is starting Henle book 2, and I am reluctantly teaching her. Technically she is taking an online Latin 2 class, but it is so lame that I am basically her Latin teacher. I am not a Latin scholar and I have no intention of becoming one, so this is not a good situation. We are starting Henle book 2. Is there a COMPLETE answer key for Henle book 2? At this point I have the answer key that Father Henle himself did -- the once with the white cover. I also have both the MODG answer key and the Our Lady of Victory answer key, both of which are identical to Father Henle's. The answer key that Henle himself did is wonderful for all of the translation exercises, but it does not have the answers to the the grammar exercises at the beginning of each section. Is there a COMPLETE answer key for Henle book 2 available?
I just read through a whole bunch of past Latin threads to try and think through what I want our Latin goals to be. There seem to be two main reasons people talk about: 1. to read Latin books fluently, or 2. for the grammar/logical reasoning/English-shaping aspects of Latin study. I haven't decided which way I want to go yet, but came up with some questions. To those who want their kids to be able to read Latin books fluently, why do you want this? Is it just so they can enjoy the reading/viewing life and history through another language, or do the NLE and AP tests for verification/possible college credit factor into this? To anyone doing Henle, if a person does ALL of First Year Latin (Henle I), can Second Year Latin be done in just a year (say, in grade 9 or 10), since some of it will be review of Henle I? Or do you find that Henle II could take a couple of years? (I know that you can do just some of Henle 1 and then go into Henle 2 to save time, but I am doing Henle 1 with a middle grader, and don't have the concern about "losing" a year of study in high school, if we want to have time to go into reading Latin books - I feel better about completing the entire Henle 1 and getting a solid footing with grammar) And the thing I'm really wondering about is, does anyone actually use Henle III and Henle IV?? Meaning, Third Year and Fourth Year Latin? I've searched and searched and found ONE poster who said she planned to do that. If you have either of these books, or have used them, can you tell me more about them? Are they mostly reading? Or is there more grammar study in them (either new or review)? I read on one thread that there is some grammar in Third Year. If you use/have used them, how did you go about it with your child or yourself? Can you use each of these in one year? Are there online classes that use Henle III and IV? Are they one-year classes? The reason I ask about III and IV is because most of the posts I found said that people go through Henle II then switch to online classes for Latin reading courses after intensive grammar study. I wonder why? Why not use Henle III and IV? (I always wonder why, when I don't see people using what I see recommended in WTM:D, since I've used and trusted AND been happy with most of the recs so far) Finally, if you mostly doing Latin for the grammar/logical reasoning/English-shaping reasons, AND you are using Henle for this, how far did you/do you plan to go in Henle? Is Henle II good enough, or would you do Henle III or IV for some reason within these goals? Thank you.
Hi, Ds and dd started Latin studies in 3rd grade, with Prima Latina (dd is doing this now). Ds has completed LCI and II, and is doing Henle's First Year Latin now in 6th grade. I've never studied Latin, and I have just planned so far to follow the recs in WTM. For Henle 1, I planned that we would take 6th-8th grade to do it, simply because it's mentioned in WTM as a possibility. I just wonder how realistic this is, considering that Latin is not our only subject - see my sig. So far I've been able to keep up with either figuring the next exercise/lesson out on the spot or the night before, but I am slipping in my ability to keep grammar forms/vocab memorized. Ds does a lot better at it, and we do drill 3-4 days a week. I tried to keep up with studying a week ahead of time last year, but I just periodically panic about SO many new skills for me to learn and know about (grammar, math, science skills, logic, etc.), that I don't ever feel I can dive deeply enough into one skill area to teach it REALLY well - not and have time to do my life's other duties and sleep. I guess I'm now questioning what I expect to get out of Latin study for my kids - do I want them to be able to read books in Latin? Do I want them to just have the mind exercise that studying Latin provides? The vocab background? Will they be disappointed if we don't get all the way through Henle 4? Does anyone even do that?? What is in books 3 and 4 anyway? What is book 2 all about - it seems to me like it's a lot more reading, but with review of grammar/new grammar, and exercises based on reading - is it considered a grammar course or a reading course or both? How stupid would it be to just learn the grammar/vocab and then not get to reading after book 2? What other questions should I be asking myself? I'm wondering whether I should slow Henle 1 down to 4 years, because I *thought* I had plotted out a good pace, but we are a bit "behind" - we started off well because it was review of LC, but now we seem to be slowing down to absorb new concepts/prepare new flashcards/get notes into the notebook/work through the exercises. Or maybe I need to tackle it differently? I let ds translate phrases and words orally, but for sentences I have him write down the Latin sentence when going from English to Latin. And, I admit, I have him write the Latin *and* English when going from Latin to English - I had in mind that it would be good for him to do "copywork" of Latin to get the feel of the words/spelling/sentence construction as already written in the book. Sounds good, but it does take up time....Part of this is that it saves *me* time - I do SO much of his other work orally with him (some math, grammar, etc.) as I tutor him through his first 1.5 or so hours of the day in various skills before giving him his independent work and assignment list. But he hates having to write Latin and English, and I'm unsure about making him do it - so I default for now to making him do it. I wonder if continuing in Latin will get easier for him to take over in the future - right now I'm still the driver for this. And we cannot afford online classes or tutors right now, and can't foresee that we will be able to in a few more years. And anyway, it just seems overall easier to do this at home, as long as I know how to teach my kids to study. If Latin is going to be the ancient language of our high school studies, is it pointless to just get through book 2 (if I decide to slow it all down)? (High school here is only grades 10-12, BTW) Oh wait, I just realized something - book 2 says that it covers things from book 1, and that if you just get through unit 7 (I think) in book 1, units 8-14 will also be covered in book 2. But I'm the kind of girl who wants to finish one book before doing the next. Will book 2 be easier/faster if we complete book 1? Also, since high school here is just three years, universities list requirements in 2-3 year increments, not four, so there isn't possibility (that I've seen yet, anyway) of uni requiring things like "four years of the same foreign language." Thanks for reading - I basically just want to know what I should be considering as my end-of-high-school goal/s for Latin, and how pacing of Henle 1 and 2/fitting in 3 and 4 should figure into this. I'm not a LCC person - I couldn't drop English grammar to accommodate Latin. Also I'm wondering how realistic it is that a high schooler, trained in study skills (new vocab/grammar forms? make flashcards and drill every day, and write them out a few times in your notebook to rivet them in your mind. new concept/derivatives? take notes in your notebook. new exercises? write out the Latin, either in translation or as copywork.), could continue in Latin without me having *more* knowledge of the language than him/her (I know that later on a tutor would come in really handy - I'd probably rather find and pay for a knowledgeable tutor for help when snags happen, than to conform to an online class). I hope this makes sense. I always just kind of "pour" my thoughts out when starting new threads about things I am wondering about.