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  1. We have thought that my daughter was midly gifted for a while but now I am beginning to think maybe she is just bright/ahead of the curve. The reason for thinking this is because DD2 recently turned 4 and I see many of the same qualities/traits in her that DD1 has. Also, my DS is only 1 and a half and people are always shocked at the directions he can follow and the fact that he can understand everything I am saying to him. It seems normal because all my kids have been that way, but is it possible to have 3 gifted kids? DD1 is about 2/3 years ahead in every subject and she completely understands all her work. We are doing Saxon (which I know isn't recommended for gifted kids) and she just gets the lesson after one demonstration. We are doing 3/4 lessons a day and minimal amounts of the review problems and she gets every question right on the tests. She is super emotional/sensitive and pretty introverted. She reads on a 7th grade level and taking her book away is a huge punishment. She just retains everything, she is constantly spouting off knowledge that I am not even sure where she learned it! I wanted to get her IQ tested but the Dr. said it would be $500+ and that seemed like too much money for my own information. If she were in school, I would feel like it was more of a neccesity. Anyways, I was just wondering if you guys had any advice!
  2. So, my 8 y/o third grader is very bright - I haven't had her tested to say "gifted" (I still like to not say that, as every child has a gift). She is my high energy kid, she is 110% all the time. She reads like crazy - loves to read. She just finished vision therapy - they tested her reading speed at 250 words per minute with great comprehension. She begs to read the encyclopedia - of course I let her. I just am not sure if I am challenging her enough. Sometimes I wish she was tested in some way so I know where we are at. I had her tested a few years at a Sylvan learning center when I first decided to hs. She tested several years ahead in most areas. Sorry I am rambling (shouldn't do this during the debate) - any advice? Edited to add - she is my highly emotional child. Like I said, she is 110% with everything. She goes on the highs where she just can't get enough school - she loves to learn. Kind of quirky - when she is excited about learning something or showing me what she has done (ie. report, painting, etc) she moves her fingers a lot. When friends come to play she would rather do plays (she is in theater and memorizes every. single. line. of. everyone.) I try and explain to her that not all kids want to do plays. (She has checked out every play book in the library system multiple times). Does this make sense? I just want to understand her better, and sometimes wonder if some sort of testing for me to see how she learns, etc may help. I hope this makes sense.
  3. My son is a bright 7 year old. He's working a year or two ahead in pretty much all his subjects. He fits some of the gifted traits, but not all. He is a perfectionist, and fairly sensitive (physically and emotionally). I personally wouldn't label him as gifted. He just reminds me of me. But does it matter that we do or don't know for sure? Would it help me in any way to parent him and teach him if I know he has 'x' IQ, or 'y' diagnosis?
  4. I usually don't post in this sub-forum, but I have some questions I hope you parents could help me with. First, I'm not entirely sure how I *feel* about terms like "gifted" or "accelerated." I'm not sure how much it would change what I do with the kids each day. And I don't think I would pursue official testing necessarily. My main question is how you *knew* (without testing---just parent instinct?) that your child may be gifted? And at what age? My dd, who just turned 2 this past July, is an enigma to me. My oldest ds is on the spectrum and very bright and my 5 year old is also bright, but I can't look back on their toddlerhood and remember any thing out of the ordinary. (Other than my oldest having some speech issues and showing signs of being on the spectrum). There wasn't anything that seemed different than other 2 year olds. My dd on the other hand seems exceptionally bright for a young 2 year old. She recognized and could say the name and letter sounds of the alphabet when she was 1.5. She is still extremely interested in letters and will point them out to me and say "abcs" and then point to one specific letter and say it's sound. Unprompted. I bought a set of HWT wooden letters pieces and received them this week and the day they came I opened the package and set them on the table and I kid you not---without any word from me right away she made several letters. "Mommy a Q, a D, a H, a A, a X." I had to tell my 5 year old and even my 9 year old what the wooden pieces were for. She just knew after looking at them for a few seconds. She's pretty bashful around others but at home she's a chatterbox. She sounds like a 2 year old, but she speaks in complete sentences. Long complex sentences. She didn't use baby signs for long. She remembers things that had happened days ago. She's highly observant. She can't be tricked. She's also pretty persistent. She can play games with us properly-- Memory, Qwirkle, Candyland, Blokus, Operation---she actually sits with us and plays them. My boys would have upended the board and tossed the pieces and likely wouldn't have got the concept of there being a purpose to the game and taking turns. I'd expect most two year olds to play randomly with game pieces, right? She can make a C-rod stair and correctly put pattern blocks on the right spaces to make a bee or some other animal. She loves to look at books. She asks us "What's that say?" She knows colors and basic shapes. She sort of counts--1 2 3 8. The older boys are always irritated at her because she is always taking something apart or trying to do what they do. Basically she causes a bit of mayhem. She has little to no interest in toys made for babies or toddlers. I've actually started including her where I can and made some tot busy bag type activities for her because she is not content with toys. She seems happier if challenged. My dh and I have had long talks at night about her lately. She just stops us in our tracks sometimes with what she remembers or observes. And she's not hard to discipline, she's sweet, but sort of hard to handle with her persistence. And sort of ornery. Plays tricks. Jokes. I'm really familiar with sensory issues and spectrum signs because of my oldest. She doesn't show anything like that. Nothing concerns me there. She has a great sense of pretend play and imagination. I'm just wondering if this is "homeschooling normal?" Could having older brothers around and listening to us talk with them during school stuff be making an impression? Is this a girl thing? I'm not the type to overly analyze what my kids do. I think all children are pretty brilliant. There's just something---something that causes me pause here. Mainly how did you know? And did you know at 2? And what if anything do I *do* about it?
  5. My 5 year old son just started public school kindergarten. We homeschooled last year for prek and he did very well. He began reading last fall and now LOVES to read! His writing is average (he finds that very boring). But he loves to read, tell stories, and ask tough questions. Last week he started kindergarten in an advanced scholars program in the public school system. THe idea behind the program is that can/will individual learning based on where the kids are. This week the handout from home explained that they were learning 6 sight words and counting and writing numbers up to 10. (my son has no problem doing addition and subtraction up to 10 in his head and already can read the sight words through 2nd grade) I have a conference with the teacher for next week to discuss all of this. But here are my questions.. SHould I have my son be tested for "giftedness"? If so, where/how do I do that? Should I keep him at school and continue to afterschool? I could use some guidance. THanks
  6. My older daughter is an accelerated learner. She attended public school from K- Dec of 3rd grade with us "afterschooling". We had a meeting in 2nd grade to discuss the 'gifted program' at her school but a new job for DH and a move 5 hours away had us jump into homeschooling. We love it and plan to continue. I've got a decent idea where she is but I'm trying to decide if we go with more formal testing. :bigear: And if you have tested.. What tests? How do I go about it?
  7. I'm feeling very mixed up today. :001_huh: Small backstory: a year ago, at the end of 3rd grade, Miss P took her school's test used for ID-ing GATE students, the Structure of Intellect (SOI). Finally, (yep, a year later) we got the results - last night. Well, obviously we gave up on the school serving her learning needs a long time ago, we started hsing last October. Getting these test results makes me feel really mixed up, though. I feel a) vindicated - like, "See, I told you so! I told you she wasn't challenged, & needed more!" Homeschooling was the best parenting decision we have ever made. I also feel like I now have permission to post on this board. I know, that is twisted, but I have been a little shy b/c of the whole weird gifted thing - is my kid *really* gifted, or just Gifted In My Own Mind? :glare: Anyway, ongoing struggle to try and let go of the labelling/structure of ps is colliding with my weird overachiever wiring. b) frustrated - why does a school bother testing/identifying gifted students if they aren't going to do anything for them? This one I know I need to just let go of . . . we are so done with this school. c) isolated - no one, I mean no one, IRL, wants to hear about hsing in the first place, and they *really* don't want to hear that you are doing it b/c your kid is high achieving. When people ask where she goes to school, and we say she is homeschooled, they automatically assume something is wrong with her (or me). If we say "No, actually the school wasn't challenging her, or meeting her learning needs" or whatever talk-around we come up with, they recoil. Visibly. It's like people feel threatened by our choice, for some reason. I don't know if they just don't want to be reminded that it's possible the schools aren't serving kids well? Or something? I'm curious how you guys answer questions about hsing to people IRL. I don't want to impose my choice/opinion/whatever on anyone, but I also don't want people thinking there is something wrong with my kid! (we live in a small town). d) grateful - for this community. There is no one IRL, besides DH, I can talk to about any of this stuff. I am so grateful to be able to talk, listen, learn, and even rant here once in awhile. You guys are great. So, on a different but related topic: :D The one part of the test where Miss P scored "high average" rather than gifted or superior was in Figural Learning. This was defined as "The ability to work with shapes, objects and spatial relationships" and to "perceive stimuli as 'gestalt'" In my ongoing quest for perfection :tongue_smilie: does anyone have any favorite games, puzzles, etc. for working on this kind of thing? This is definitely my weak area, too, so I want to make sure not to inadvertently ignore it, as I'd be prone to do given my own and Miss P's proclivities. Thanks for listening! You guys are great. :grouphug:
  8. Our insurance will pay for ANY testing that is ordered for DS. I want to have him tested to get an idea of where he is and because I know he will have to enter the public school system at some point to take advantage of the dual enrollment options in our area that are not available to homeschoolers. My issue is that if I don't have a planned conversation laid out to have with the doctor I don't articulate what we need or why we need it very well. Can you experienced parents help me with this? Also should I be speaking to the pediatrician or to someone else? If someone else I will have to have this discussion twice so that I can get a referral from the ped.
  9. I am in need of advice regarding my 9yo son and his (twice) denial to our school's GT program (I teach SpEd there, used to homeschool and be active on these boards.....I mostly hang out on the Special Needs boards). Background: We have 4 children and this is the youngest child. All of the others easily qualified for GT services. So, I had to wonder what is different about this one? When he did not pass GT testing he said, "so, I guess I'm just your dumbest kid." He then started having some Tourette-like "tics" that took MONTHS to finally subside. He has always had some sensory-seeking issues (wants to be hugged tightly, seems to have a huge pain tolerance), was slower to learn to read, and has seemed more hyper/active. He cannot easily tell me something.....there are lots of "uh, uh.....where was I? Oh yeah....." It is as if his mind is racing ahead of his words. His math ability is FAR beyond other abilities. He could do adult puzzles spooky-well at a very young age.....always good at mental-math. With all of that in mind, I asked our school's educational examiner to do a WISC on him so that I can put things together, or help him deal with whatever results would be. Results: FSIQ= 127 GAI= 136 (working memory and processing speed were lower, thus the GAI was calculated). The examiner told me that the general curriculum is NOT appropriate for him. Ironically, in our GT denial letter, it said the gifted program is not best for him, but the general curriculum is best . He's been telling me for years that he learns nothing in school.....I doubt this is the case, I think he does learn there. What would you do? Would you approach the GT administrator with results? (By the way, the GT administrator is not yet certified in this area). In our area (rural, mostly blue-collar) GT is a pull-out services, and they truly accept about 10-15% of our student population (which is over-identification, correct?). This is small-town and we have a rather high-profile presence in the district/area; thus, this can be viewed as "pushy parents." If results of the WISC had been lower, I would have totally accepted it and gone on with life. I would have NOT subjected him to yearly GT testing and would have said, "thanks, but no thanks." I just want to get him what he needs to achieve his potential. I fully expected to find some weaknesses. So, maybe he is not creative enough on their testing? I can see that as being true for him.....he is more of an analytical mathy/puzzley/outdoors sports kind of kid. WWYD? Would you just drop it and let him just be in the general curriculum and assume is missing some "gifted" quality that they are looking for? If so, I will have to beef up his curriculum, because it is geared to the "average" child.
  10. So I got the results from my DS's testing--he did the WISC-IV and WIAT-III and a few others. While he did pretty well overall, I am a little/lot concerned about his working memory (thought DS did say that there was one part of the test that he didn't get at all and didn't ask for the tester to reexplain--maybe it was this part?). I don't know enough about any of this to know if this is normal or indicative of a problem. His WISC-IV scores: Verbal Comp-121 Perceptual reas-125 Working memory-99 (subtests digit span-12 75%, letter-number sequencing-8 25%) Processing speed index not given but subtests were both in the 91% WIATT-III Reading: word reading-86% pseudoword decoding-66% reading comprehension-99% Math: numeric operations-Above 99% math problem solving-Above 99% Math fluency-addition-82% Subtraction-86% mutliplication-96% Written language: spelling-55% sentence composition-58% So, looking at these scores, is this a normal spread (there is a HUGE difference between some of these scores) or is this an indication of something? The report says that he's gifted, but that he has ADHD, combined type, along with problems with hyperactive and social adaptation.
  11. I have been thinking of having my youngest tested....just so I can accommodate his learning. He is a quirky kid....but really bright. Help me understand the numbers.....and reasons for testing other than school placement. Do you guys mind if I hang around here for a while?? Faithe
  12. My DS is going in for what I HOPE is testing to see if he is gifted. I have a list of medical codes which I tried to look up online but it doesn't line up with what the receptionist said when I called her asking today. She didn't know the test names, just that they'd be testing him for a bunch of things--thinking, attention, learning, academic, memory, etc. (She spoke too fast for me to write them all down) It's supposed to take 3.5-5 hours. Anyone know the specific medical codes used for gifted testing? I'm just leery that we will be wasting our time and money and not get what I actually want--how gifted is my DS and are his quirks due to giftedness or something else (like last time where the guy talked to DS for 5 minutes and me for a while and then decided DS has PDD-NOS with no discussion of his giftedness causing quirks). I am now doing damage control and requested a second opinion to get that diagnosis off his record because I don't think it's right.
  13. Hi There, I'm thinking of having my son tested; I've not looked into it in depth and am wondering if some of you could share why or why not you'd suggest that I have him tested. He's not a genius by any stretch, but seems to be somewhat accelerated. I have 3 older children, and they all have their strengths, but he seems to just think differently. I can't really place all that I want to know about him :) We are having him tested for ADHD and such in a few weeks. Thanks!!!
  14. Should I have my 6yo tested for giftedness? What benefits are there to testing...I obviously can see she learns faster than siblings. Do you test when there is an obvious problem in keeping them challenged? Or as soon as its obvious this child is different? Or do you just ignore the testing, and label the kid gifted yourself and seek out appropriate resources that fit that child? --Deidre
  15. So my 8 y/o dd is being hs for the first time this year. She is a very accelerated learner. Picks up everything easy, teaches herself whenever she can. Ahead several grades in most areas. Do I care to test her or not? I figure why spend the money, we are hsing now, so I just need to challenge her at her level so she is happy. (She was in a private school for 1 semester - she was so bored we had to pull her out. Public school wasn't much better, plus they had other issues at the school that weren't good for my younger dd). Just curious. I am not some parent that needs to run around and say "see, she is gifted." I already know of an obnoxious parent like that. I just don't know what the benefit of testing her would be. Thanks all. I appreciate it.
  16. I have a five year old girl. We have already started homeschooling. Is there any advantage to testing her?
  17. http://giftedissues.davidsongifted.org/BB/ubbthreads.php/topics/125236/Free_WPPSI.html#Post125236 Ten testing sites are apparently available. Thought this might help someone.
  18. (From my email) The GDC has been asked to conduct a validation study of the fourth edition of the Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence (WPPSI-IV) for the purpose of extending the norms of the scale to the furthest extent possible. We are seeking your assistance in locating children between the ages of 2.6 and 7.6 who meet one of the following criteria: Was previously tested before March, 2011, on the WISC-IV or WPPSI-III and attained a score of 145 or above. Was previously tested before September, 2011 on another standardized intelligence scale (Stanford-Binet, DAS, etc.) and attained a score of 145 or above. Has siblings who attend PG Retreat, are Davidson Young Scholars, or have tested 160 or above using quantitative or qualitative methods. We are required to select a small number of children in each age range. We would like to include some children from diverse ethnic backgrounds or low socio-economic status or children whose parents have not had more than a high school education (or attained a Bachelor's degree). However, all qualified applicants will be considered, regardless of background. We expect to complete the study by April. There is no charge for the IQ test. Valid IQ scores will be available to the parents early fall. Selected children 4 and over will receive $40; children under 4 will receive $20 from Pearson. Testing sites include Denver, CO; Omaha, NE; Dallas, TX; Los Osos, CA; Palo Alto, CA; St. Louis, MO; Gulf Breeze, FL; Des Moines, IA; Wells, ME; and Dover, NH. This is an IQ TEST ONLY. There is no interpretation, report or recommendations. If you need a comprehensive assessment for your child, please contact the Gifted Development Center to schedule this service. If you believe that your child is a good candidate for this study, please download and complete the following three forms: Abbreviated One-Page Developmental Questionnaire Characteristics of Giftedness Scale Overexcitability Inventory for Parents Please FAX the forms with IQ test results (if your child has had previous testing) to Lauren, Customer Service, Gifted Development Center, 303-831-7465. If your child is not selected as a participant in the study, we will offer $50 toward a consult to the first 50 families who submit the completed forms. Thank you in advance for your enthusiasm and for sharing the information so quickly. Please continue to send children our way that you believe would qualify for this important study. Our previous research enabled Pearson Assessments to establish extended norms on the WISC-IV.With your help, the WPPSI-IV can become an excellent tool for locating highly, exceptionally and profoundly gifted children for early entrance to kindergarten and selection to gifted programs.
  19. I assume you get an evaluation? (By who?) What are things to look for? (i.e. What traits merit an evaluation?) Just curious.
  20. Has anyone had their child have an IQ (or similar) test done? Was it helpful or did it offer you any insights into learning style or assist you in academic planning? Why or why not?
  21. No details yet on exactly who will qualify, but if you have young kids whom you suspect to be HG+ and have passed on GDC testing because of the price tag, this is fantastic news!
  22. Hi all! I'm new to the board and trying to find someone to help me fully understand my DD's IQ test scores. She is 7 (almost 8) and was given the WISC-IV Short Form to see if she qualifies for the Highly Gifted & Talented program at her school. She does qualify but I'd like some guidance to help me in terms of what I should to be asking for at her school beyond just plopping her into the "gifted" room. (We have a "school within a school" model where one classroom at each grade level is designated as a Highly GT room where all HGT* kids are placed and then GT** kids are also placed if there is still room. By 4th grade the classes are 100% HGT kids, so we're fortunate she identified this year and we don't have to worry about 3rd - 5th grade in terms of placement.) *HGT = 98th percentile and above **GT = 90th percentile and above In searching for help in understanding what some of this means I'm finding that our report isn't written the way the samples online are written and it's confusing me. Here is what the report says. Verbal Comprehension: Similarities - 13 Vocabulary - 14 Comprehension - 12 Perceptual Reasoning: Block Design - 12 Picture Concepts - 13 Matrix Reasoning - 16 Factor Scores Verbal Comprehension: Composite Score = 138 Percentile = 99 Confidence Interval 95% = 129-142 Perceptual Reasoning: Composite Score = 123 Percentile = 94 Confidence Interval 95% = 114-129 General Ability Index: Composite Score = 136 Percentile = 99 Confidence Interval 95% = 129-140 Interpreted Intellectual Ability: Very Superior Range Interpretation: "Monkey" scored within the Very Superior range of cognitive functioning on the WISC-IV Short Form, with verbal skills within the Very Superior range and nonverbal skills within the Superior range. She demonstrated strengths in concrete verbal reasoning and vocabulary development. A relative weakness was noted in practical social judgment (although still within the Average range for her age). In nonverbal subtests, she demonstrated a significant strength in abstract reasoning, a strength in conceptual reasoning, and a relative weakness in visual-motor coordination (although still within the Average range for her age). Questions: 1. I understand why we weren't given her FSIQ (they didn't test her on all the criteria they use to determine that score... right?) but I'm wondering how close the GAI score of 136 is to what her actual IQ might be? I just understand that scale better. I mean if her IQ is 136, I'm actually a little scared of her! :tongue_smilie: 2. Can anyone tell me what %iles her individual scores fall in? %iles make more sense to me. For example; is 16 a really, really high score for Matrix Reasoning? What %ile would that be? 3. In the interpretation they said, "A relative weakness was noted in practical social judgment (although still within the Average range for her age)." Which test measured "practical social judgement?" Is this something she needs help with? 4. Same question regarding "a relative weakness in visual-motor coordination (although still within the Average range for her age)." So, I've figured out that she's smarter than me :tongue_smilie:! I just feel that I need to understand this so that I can advocate for her. If I don't know what to ask for I can't be an active participant in her education. What needs to be in her Advanced Learning Plan? (because her ALP for this year is a joke. Seriously.) Any help, insight etc would be greatly appreciated! :001_smile: ETA: Just for reference if you're going to advise me about what she needs academically, I also have these scores. I understand these because the written reports were very clear. CogAT (verbal): 97 CogAT (quantitative): 85 Ravens (visual/spatial reasoning): 95 (These are her scores from the testing done while she was in 1st grade last year. Her scores this year were invalid because the examiner had a very heavy accent and Monkey couldn't understand him, and had a full blown panic attack, her scores were a huge anomaly, that's why they gave her the WISC-IV this year.) The following were given during a study we participated in and her school would not accept them, which I totally understand but I think they give insight into her areas of giftedness. WIAT-II Age Based Standard Score %tile Classification Written Expression: 123 94th Well above average Spelling: 113 81st Above average TEWL –II Standard Score %tile Classification BWQ 117 87 Above Average CWQ 121 91 Above Average GWQ 123 94 Above Average CELF-4 Standard Score %tile Classification ELI 136 99 Upper extreme range
  23. Dd13 is asking for an IQ test. What is the benefit of knowing her IQ score if it doesn't have anything to do with her high school courses? We do not get any type of services from the school. She really just wants to know if she is considered gifted and if so, just how gifted. I looked online and found a couple of places that might offer testing, but I haven't yet called. I'm scared the cost is going to be really high and I don't know if I can justify the expense if the test doesn't benefit her in some way. And if I call, what do I ask for specifically? My ds15 was tested when he was 6 years old with the WISC, I think. Are these tests administered verbally, written, or a combination?
  24. Hi all, Does anyone have a recommendation for a psychologist who assess children for giftedness and IQ in or around Atlanta? I'm not sure where to start... Thanks! Lee
  25. It is pretty obvious that my son is gifted, especially in math. He is 5. Is there any reason to get a HSed child tested? If he was in school, I would fight for the test so he could get into gifted classes, but I can't really see any reason to get him tested if I am schooling him at home. Is that right? Thanks!
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