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  1. If you held a child back a year, or had them repeat a grade, did you ever regret it during the high school or college years? My ds11 is young for his grade. He has an August 30th birthday and started kindergarten when he was not quite 5. He was academically ready at the time, and we were homeschooling, so we didn't see a reason to wait. Now that he is finishing 6th grade, he is still doing okay academically, but is socially immature and physically small for his age. And looking ahead, we are questioning the wisdom of sending him to college at not-quite-18. We feel he could benefit from an additional year at home, both academically and in terms of social/emotional development, and believe we should add that year in during middle school, not high school. So, if you did something similar with your child, did you regret it during the high school or college years? Right now I can't see a downside to giving him one more year at home.
  2. http://www.foxbusine...ead-grade-level Texas is on the correct path, but, hopefully, the testing will be changed, in the near future. DD is a Distance Learning student, in TTUISD, which, legally, is a Texas Public School. So, DD is subject to the testing required in Texas Public Schools. The story about N.Y.C. graduates is, IMHO, a tragedy. Hopefully, New York State will require testing, like Texas does, and improve their Public Schools.
  3. How old do you anticipate your children will be when they graduate? Do you think you will try to manipulate their progression so that they graduate earlier or later (akin to red-shirting) than they would if enrolled in ps? Or would you try to align your children's grades, despite their traditional ages, to better coincide with the 4yr history/science cycles?
  4. How do you decide what grade to place your child in? I realize they can be working at whatever level in each subject that suits their skills best, but I mean grade level for testing or legal placement. Do you find out how your state places them and go off of that? Or do you go off of what level work they are doing in MOST subjects? Or do you go by your own judgement? I thought my son should be in 4th but now I am seeing many other homeschooling boys his age are in 3rd. A while back I thought about holding back a year but never went through with it... Any thoughts?
  5. For those that had a dc skip a middle school grade (6-8) was anything more required than standardized scores and showing the curriculum/work done? That's all we had to do show for skipping 1st grade. But not sure what other considerations the school systems might have if he ends up skipping then transitioning into school for end of middle or high school?
  6. I am considering holding back my 11 yo. He has a May birthday and is in 6th this year. So he is on the younger side of things. If this kid had been in school, he would have probably been held back in 1st or 2nd. He didn't learn to read until 9yo. And in many other ways shows all of those rightbrained signs, his spelling is awful. He does okay on standardized tests, because he can read and do math, but his writing skills are behind. He also doesn't get along well socially with older kids -plays on a U14 and U12 soccer team. While the older kids aren't really mean to him (that's the team I help coach) they are definatly just putting up with him. He is a big kid and is athletically capable of playing on that team, but socially he doesn't fit. I've always thought this just didn't matter, that we'd keep teaching him where he was, and it would all work out. BUT Arkansas has recently passed this law letting homeschooled kids participate in interscolastic activies. BUT one of the big requirements is that they have to take at least one class at the school. And I really think middle school next year-even if he just took something like drawing- would be really hard for him. I guess I just wanted to get this all down and see what you think. Thanks.
  7. I am hoping this is a safe place for this conversation, because I can't think of any other safe place. Everywhere I go, a lot of my friends have done this. I know sometimes it's because they have a young boy who really can't handle the formal school environment, but other times that's not it. I hear a lot of people saying that kids have to be reading very well in PS KG and they are afraid their kids will struggle with that. But it seems to me that fear is overblown. Even my vision-impaired, early-entry, average-intelligence child learned to read well enough in KG that she could very easily read the first reading book in 1st grade. There are other people who think they are doing their child a favor by making school "easy" for them, thinking that if they go into KG / 1st at the head of the class, they will be happier and learn more. I'm not sure about that, either. I was at the head of my class and hated constantly waiting for others to catch up. But maybe I'm weird that way. (Normally I don't care what others decide, but I feel a little awkward right now as friends with 6yos are announcing their kids' 1st day of KG. We have a big get-together in November and I guess I'll have to find something else to talk about. No biggie, but it got me thinking how different mainstream philosophies are.)
  8. Just musing aloud. My father and i were talking, and he has a daughter from his second marriage who is in 6th grade. He said, "Well, L*** (my son) is pretty much doing 6th grade work, at least." my younger is doing 3rd grade work, or 4th. Dh asked me tonight why i dont just "say" (to whom, i do not know, lol) that they are in 6th and 3rd grade. "One less year of homeschooliing for you!" ::glare: :tongue_smilie: He was himself accelerated, twice (once in 7th and once in 10th) and went to college at 15. I am in no way interested in having my kids go to college early, and he doesnt think it is a good idea. Would there be any other reason to accelerate? The only reason I Can think of is access to FLVS courses, which start in 6th, but i doubt we will ever take advantage of those. Maybe the chance to do commuity college courses earlier? Or is that age-based?
  9. Does it matter when you finish high school? I just realized there are at least 5 years of stuff DC will want to learn / take / do and we just started 9th grade. He does a lot of music and that takes up a lot of his time. He also loves math and likes learning it. He has so many things he likes and wants to do. I think with 5 years he could do a lot of it. But that would mean having him take an extra year of high school. We could call it a gap year and he could just keep learning. BUT when are you supposed to apply for college? The Senior Year? or the Gap Year? OR...can you just call it a 2nd year of Senior year and apply at the end of that? Or still...at that point rename all the previous years so the last 4 years are high school? Should we call them by those names now? So now I could make DS an 8th grader again, to fit in all the material he wants to do. I don't know what the right thing to do is; I don't know what colleges care about. If we do 5 more years, he will be 19 at the end of that. Do colleges not consider him for scholarships? Or do they see him as a poor student because he will seem to have repeated a year? What are the advantages or disadvantages of this? And if it's OK to do the Gap Year, is it OK to apply that year, or will it work against him for scholarships or admission? He is very bright and hardworking, and tends to test well. The issue here is he wants to do so much (several instruments, tons of extra math, several languages, and needs time to read and so on). So I guess the bottom line is when to apply for college and when to graduate him. Hopefully this isn't a confusing post.
  10. If you wouldn't mind sharing what age (birth month & year) and "grade" you have your children at, I would really appreciate it, and how old will they be when they graduate based on a May/June graduation timeframe. Especially in the 3-5th grade range, but all are welcome. I haven't done any in-depth research on birth dates and grade ranges, but I keep getting the impression on here and with at our homeschool group that a lot of the homeschooled kids that are around the same age as DD are actually "labeled" a grade level below her for whatever purposes. I say labeled, because we all know that actual learning level can be wildly disparate for each child. I'm trying to decide where I should "place" DD for a few different reasons and am bouncing it around in my brain. ETA: She is 10 - August 2002, and right now she is Grade 5, as far as "labeling" goes.
  11. I've seen a lot of discussion on these boards about "red-shirting" kids. Fellow Canucks - does this happen in your province? Not here as far as I can tell. Everything here is based on the year that the child was born. School, sports, other extra-curricular activities (brownies, etc). If any non-Canadians are reading this, here is the breakdown for grades here in my province: Born in 1999 - Grade 8 Born in 2000 - Grade 7 Born in 2001 - Grade 6 Born in 2002 - Grade 5 Born in 2003 - Grade 4 Born in 2004 - Grade 3 Born in 2005 - Grade 2 Born in 2006 - Grade 1 Born in 2007 - Senior Kindergarten (not mandatory) Born in 2008 - Junior Kindergarten (not mandatory) You can't start anything early, even if your child is ready for it. And if you want to hold your child back, they don't allow that either. In our school board, they will not accelerate kids, nor will they fail them. It just doesn't happen. They would rather put them all on individual education plans and manage it that way. Which seems like a whole lot more work IMHO??? Nope, not even with psych-ed evaluations or other standardized testing. It is all based on the year you were born - no other factors are considered. If you are born in 2001 - then you are in grade 6 right now. Period. You can only play on sports teams that other kids in 2001 play on. I find it really remarkable that this practice of red-shirting seems so common in the US???
  12. I have a 13 year (April birthday) boy who is fairly dependent on my help with his schoolwork. He's not very good about following directions (chases squirrels), and I wouldn't call him highly academic. But, he's fairly mature, in that he can hang out with adults and older teens and is fairly comfy doing so. He's also taller than most of his friends his age and puberty has definitely hit. He even shaves his sideburns a bit. Officially, he's in 7th grade this year. However, today we were talking and he'd like to move up a grade. Most of the kids we know are in 8th grade at 13, which i guess is now starting to bother him. He's never actually written anything over 3 paragraphs, and not great at that. His hardest subject is math, and if we move him up a grade, he will not be able to do 9th grade algebra. He's in MUS Fractions, early in the book, which would mean we would have to cover decimals and pre-algebra. I could do summer math, etc. if necessary. He seems to hit lots of roadblocks in math, and I cannot push him in this. So, would you move him up, or not? I do want him to be able to attend college if he'd like to. If I do move him up, how bad (or not) does it look having someone take pre algebra in 9th grade? I've taken the turtle approach with our school, slow and steady, and I do not want to stress out over this, but I also want to build his confidence.
  13. Just what the title says. :) We are on a slightly accelerated schedule, so my DD is 1-2 years ahead of her public school peers. Just wondering what other HS do.
  14. Have you ever had a kid "repeat" a grade? I know, I know -- to many homeschoolers, grade levels are immaterial. But if you're a traditional, kid-in-the-grade-they'd-be-in homeschooler (with that child working mostly at his/her age-appropriate grade level, graduating at 17/18, etc) -- have you had a kid repeat? My ds was 9 in April. He was officially in 3rd grade last year, but honestly, he's about to do a lot of 3rd grade work this year. He will start about a third of the way through TT3 (he struggled with Singapore and got behind). He will be doing Editor-in-Chief grade 3 b/c it matches his abilities. He'll be doing Essentials in Writing grade 3 (again, that's what seems to match his abilities). He has dysgraphia and dyspraxia. Probably ADD as well. Figuring out how to work around and help him with his challenges has taken time, and here we are... "behind." His IQ is above average but for a lot of reasons, he struggles. He's "young" socially, too. If I were to put him into school, I really think I'd need to hold him back. My very, very smart dh repeated 4th grade. He was immature and had attention issues. I'm just wondering... should I call this "3rd grade"? And if so, how in the world to I break that to my ds? OR... do I see if we can catch up this year now that he's in OT and I'm figuring out how to help him?
  15. as a homeschooler, did you have trouble when you registered the child in ps? We have met with some resistance at our local school over this issue. I want to be ready when the principal calls me back. I tried to Google this issue, but came up empty-handed, so I'm hoping someone here has some insight or even some links with info. Thanks!
  16. That is, formally in 9th grade with the school district or in your records. I'm asking because of a recent conversation on trends in our homeschool group and not seeking advice. This applies to your most recent average or bright 9th grader, but not accelerated children or children who start just some high school subjects early.
  17. I have had several encounters that leave me scratching my head, and would love for you all to weigh in with your opinions on the matter. I have been extremely lucky to meet several homeschoolers with similar aged kids in my area. However more than a few have, within the first 2 minutes of meeting me, informed me about how advanced their child is. It just seems strange to me. A recent conversation went like this. Me - "Hi there, how old is your son? He looks about the same age as my daughter." Them - "Oh he is six, how old is your daughter?" Me - "She is six too! It is so nice to meet a neighbor her age. Did he have a fun year in kindergarten this year?" (Maybe the kindergarten part was out of line, but it was the end of the school year and I was trying to keep the conversation going.) Them - "Oh we homeschool and even though he should be in kindergarten he is reading on a 6th grade level and doing 4th grade math." Me - ":001_huh: Wow that is wonderful! We homeschool too, we are working on flushing the potty when you are done and chewing with your mouth closed. (no I didn't say that last part but I was kinda thinking it)" This has happened several times now with different individuals. It always makes me feel uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong, I am really proud of my kids, they can do some awesome stuff. They all have areas where they work ahead of grade level, and they all have areas where they struggle (for example my 3 year old can recite all the presidents, but can't remember her colors :lol:). But I don't typically advertise their triumphs within the first few minutes of meeting someone. So is this sort of thing status quo and I just need to get over my hang up, or would you be scratching your head too? Meredith
  18. My ds turned 4 in April and wanted to start big boy school shortly thereafter. So we started doing little fun workbooks and the preschool workbooks from Rod & Staff. We also started Hooked on Phonics Preschool, the Pre-Explode the Code books (almost finished with book B), and Answers in Genesis Preschool. He does have a bit of a speech problem since he didn't start talking until he was 3.5. He still has some fairly substantial pronunciation problems. recognizes all numbers to 20 and can fluently count to 12. He has problems pronouncing the teen numbers but can count to 20+ with assistance. He has a very good vocabulary for his age as well as a love for learning and enjoys doing workbooks. He would do them all day every if I let him. When we first started "big Boy" school he went through at least 10 workbooks (including hooked on phonics and explode the code A) in less than 2 weeks. He wants to start kindergarten and I think he is ready but I would like to continue with the Answers in Genesis preschool for extra writing practice as that is his major area of difficulty right now. Right now my main concerns are math and phonics. Can Math be taught using mainly inexpensive workbooks at this age? What do I do for phonics and reading for someone with speech issues? Is ETC and Primary Phonics and HOP good enough for kindergarten or do I need a full program? His favorite workbook right now is the pre-ETC books. I am debating on whether to start primary phonics on top of the ETC and Hooked on Phonics we are already doing. Or to start a different program that might be more teacher friendly since I do not really know much on the topic. I did not learn to read using phonics and have no idea how to teach it. I am one of those people that are fine with teaching higher grades including level math and science but am terrified of teaching Phonics and Reading. This is my only fear in homeschooling throughout the entire 13 years. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Audrey
  19. I wanted to share my latest blog post. We do accelerated classical homeschooling, which means my kids start High School and then College a lot earlier than normal. They are not "gifted" kids, they are average learners, but the way we do things allows them to accelerate without getting overwhelmed. This is how we accelerate Language Arts - http://www.acceleratedhomeschooling.com/accelerating-language-arts/ I am more than happy to answer questions. :)
  20. my daughter is five and although we havnt done any formal school she is way beyond kindergarten level. she is self taught with me checking her work. i havnt pushed her she has just wanted to do it. we live in tn and i have been told i have to register her as kindergarten bc kindergarten is manditory in tn. she is way beyond kindergarten level ( i know i used to teach and am still a certified teacher with my masters in reading and literacy). how do i get around the kindergarten mandate and skip her ahead to where she belongs. any thoughts would help. thanks. excuse misspelling and no caps typing from the ipad and my husband hates the autocorrect function
  21. Have any of you officially held your hs child back? We have a pretty unique situation with DD. We adopted her a little over a year ago, and because of the specific adoption requirements for her home country, we had to home school. :) She came already years behind her peers in her home country, and their grade equivalents are behind typical American standards. She was thoroughly tested by our district and she is significantly behind grade level. (Significantly.) We were strongly encouraged to continue home schooling her from the group that tested her, and they felt like we had already made great progress all things considered. When we enrolled her with the umbrella school, we listed her in 8th grade because of state requirements for age/grade placement. In 9th grade she must start an "official" transcript, and while she has made great progress, she does not yet have even the academic vocabulary for sciences/history let alone meeting minimum standards for math/language, etc. I would love another year to help her make some more progress. Will be talking to our umbrella school tomorrow, but just wondered if anyone had any BTDT advice/insight.
  22. I notice Scripps lists exams like the ACT/SAT as "Stating a grade level"-how does that affect Talent Search participation? I know I took the SAT in middle school for JHU, and that was back in the dark ages! DD wants to do National spelling bee, and has set that as a goal consistently for the last couple of years. I haven't pushed her ahead of what our local homeschool association does-she's been in 1-3 the last two years (and easily won both years), and I haven't asked to have her moved up because I think she'd be better off being middle school aged and good at spelling rather than being primary aged and good at spelling, so it doesn't really bother me that our homeschool association doesn't send kids to regionals before middle school. But I admit I'm concerned about the high school courses and out of level testing. I've used out of level testing for purposes of actually finding gaps, and planned to start talent search testing with EXPLORE this year if at all possible. DD is already using some high school level textbooks, and actually, Athenaze is, I believe, considered a college level textbook, but I wouldn't consider what she's DOING with it college level, or even high school level. It's simply that it was the only whole-part Greek I was able to find, and she's enjoying it more than the other options. I'm really wondering how to balance her need for higher level content and my need for information for planning purposes while still retaining her eligibility. Maybe it's because I'm on homeschool and GT boards, but she doesn't seem particularly unusual for a gifted child who is homeschooled and isn't being held back to one grade level a year academically-and I'd imagine that this is pretty typical for kids seriously involved in competitions.
  23. My DS is 5, going to be 6 at the end of August, and I'm trying to decide whether to push ahead for first grade work or do a Kindy/1rst grade year. Does this mess them up as they progress being half way through one grade, or do they catch up? Where would you put us? This year he did the: Get Ready for the Code (A,B,C) moving onto ETC1 RightStart A (half way through) HWOT (preK) Lollipop Logic (books 1-3 - he loved these) All About Reading (pre-level 1) He can read through the first couple of series in the Bob books and can sound out CVC words, although he doesn't have all of his lowercase letters down pat..... What I am contemplating for next year: ETC HWOT Kindy AAS 1 AAR 1 OPGTR RightStart A, then B LoF - apples It seems like he will move through it quickly because he is already sounding out words, but I don't want to forge ahead without making sure he has a good foundation. On the other hand, I don't want to beat all the fun out of it for him. I've been going back and forth for weeks over what to do with him. I've also thought about doing AAR 1, OPGTR, and HWOT over the summer, then it would be more of a 1rst grade spread. He is pretty easy going, and likes his school work, so he would be up for anything I could decide on:tongue_smilie: Any advice would be awesome! Happy work-at-home, homeschooling mom to 3: DS, 9, DS, 5, DD, 3
  24. We school year round, and generally work with a child's abilities rather than grade-designated materials. In addition, I have several children with late summer/fall (late July through December) birthdays that would put them "officially" in different grades depending on the state/district--and we have moved several times and will likely move again. This all boils down to my not feeling comfortable making "grade" designations for my children. I do think in approximate grade levels, especially for long-term planning--but I'm really hesitant to designate a hard-and-fast grade at this point. Dd8, for example, would have been entering 4th grade in our last state or 3rd grade in our current state in the fall, and I honestly don't know at this point which track will be better for her as she approaches high school and college. Nor do I feel a need for myself to make that decision at this time. BUT people ask both me and the children what grades they are in all the time. What is the best response? ETA: I hate it when I type the subject line wrong and can't edit it. Should say "how do you deal with grade questions...
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