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  1. For various reasons, the scale has tipped to algebra 2 this year over geometry for this year. Dd has done some geometry, and will finish it the next year. She did well with Foerster Algebra 1, and we hope to do Derek Owens Precalculus after geometry. My two thoughts: Foerster Algebra 2, Kolbe honors. Dd wants to be more familiar with her TI84 she got from an older sib, and this is scheduled. She did well with Foerster Algebra 1, and I really like the solutions videos from MWB. I like the idea of the Kolbe syllabus because I want her to cover algebra 2 before she takes the SAT next year, rather than the 12 school months a lot of students need to do the whole book. Since she won't need a whole year for geometry, we may go back and pick up some of the parts Kolbe skips before starting precalc. Derek Owens Honors self grading. This seems like the obvious choice because we plan to use his Precalculus. She did well with his prealgebra and physical science a few years ago, but we have run into problems when she has too many screen-based classes, and she does have a couple already this year. I also sent an inquiry if the self-grading option was still available several days ago, but haven't heard back. I assume this is as easy as contacting the bookkeeper, though, right? A con for this is no solutions videos, which does keep us from butting heads sometimes. Other options we should consider? I like the Chalkdust videos, but they are very long and I'm not sure dd would go for it. I'd be watching and teaching them if she didn't get it from the book. MWB is kind of like that for us, but the videos are shorter and she usually gets what she needs from the book. And the videos are much less expensive, even compared with the Cool Math Guy version. I do have her do the examples on the board with me.
  2. I recently purchased a copy of Foerster Precalc with Trig and am disappointed with the number of problems that are plug and chug with a calculator. Can anyone tell me of a text that has good real world problems and teaches precalc without so much reliance on using a calculator? Thanks, Debbie
  3. Jacobs Elementary Algebra vs Foerster Algebra 1. Which do you prefer and why?
  4. I'm looking over options for home schooling calculus. We'd like something for 11th grade and DS would like to take the AP Calculus BC test. He finds AoPS frustrating (likes an explanation first then problems rather than trying them first as in AoPS), yet doesn't want something that's just a drill of exercises. So we're somewhere in the middle: a little beyond the minimum for the AP Calculus BC test, but not much. (FYI, I can answer questions if DS has them, but he prefers using a text.) In looking over a number of texts and reading the pinned High School Math thread on the WTM board, I'm considering Paul Foerster's Calculus and bought the text, although I'm by no means set. Here are my thoughts on some of the texts listed on the pinned thread: Anton, Davies and Bivens: This looks like a possible alternative Apostol: Too challenging given DS background in proofs and maybe too proofs focused for DS interest AoPS: Too challenging/frustrating although the text looks elegant to me when I took a quick look Larson and Edwards, Calculus of a Single Variable: Seems too calculation focused. MIT Open Courseware: Looks like a possibility but DS prefers a book rather than lecture focus Saxon: Only through AB and probably too mundane for DS. Spivak: Too challenging and too proofs focused for DS interest Stewart: Seems a bit dry and with problems too heavily physical science and engineering focused (we like more variety). I may be off the mark on some of these comments by looking at an earlier version of a text, looking at unusual problems, etc. BTW, I have several older calculus books lying around. Although it's not necessary for us to get an AP-approved syllabus, we want to be sure to cover what's needed for the test (and be aware where we're covering topics not on the test). There's a list of reviewed texts at the College Board website, and Foerster is not on it. (Actually, of the list on the pinned thread, only Anton, Larson, and Stewart are on it, but most, if not all, would basically work.) Has anyone used Foerster's Calculus basically for self-teaching? Anton? The MIT Open Courseware? Any other recommendations? Thanks!! ETA: There are upcoming apparently modest changes for AP Calculus starting with the 2016-17 school year, as described in this WTM thread linked here.
  5. For those of you who have used Foerster's algebra for Algebra I, did you finish all 14 chapters? If not, how far did you get? Is some of it reviewed in Algebra II?
  6. Lost Math Without Borders Algebra I thumb drive during our move and my computer crashed and did not have it backed up. D12 is on chapter 10.8 and rarely uses the videos but asked to watch one tonight. Does any one have a Math Without Borders Algebra I disc/thumbdrive I could purchase? I have looked in the classifieds already
  7. I've spent a lot of time looking for online samples of Foerster's Algebra 1, as I'm considering ordering the text for my son, but have had no success. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how review is built into the Foerster's text. Do the daily assignments contain a review section, which covers material learned in previous lessons and chapters? If not, is there cumulative review built in, in another way? We've used Rod and Staff Arithmetic since grade 1 and love the way each lesson has a review section, so I'm trying to find an algebra that has a similar format. Also, how long does it take to complete a day's lesson, including both teacher and student involvement? Thanks so much!
  8. DS12 will finish up Saxon Algebra 1, 3rd ed., in a few months. He does well with Saxon and we plan on eventually proceeding to Saxon Algebra 2 and Saxon Advanced Mathematics. He has been doing fine, scoring 85 or so on most of his tests. I think his conceptual understanding is excellent, but he is prone to making sloppy mistakes. After he finishes the Saxon Algebra 1 book, here are some options: proceed directly to Saxon Algebra 2, assuming he scores 85 or higher on his last three tests; spend a couple of months reviewing Algebra 1 using AoPS, Lial, Foerster, or Jacobs. I think he'd be fine proceeding to Saxon Algebra 2. However, he is quite young and I worry about him falling into the "Calculus Trap." At his current pace, he'll finish Calculus at age 15. I like the idea of building in some "detours" in between Saxon texts. He will probably tackle Jacobs Geometry after Saxon Algebra 2, for example. I am a little concerned about his sloppiness and would prefer to see him scoring a bit higher on his tests. So I am leaning toward option #2. However, I am not sure which book to use for Algebra review. We tried AoPS a few years ago and it didn't go well. My son is not passionate about math and is not a math genius. I own Jacobs' Algebra book; it looks relatively easy compared to Saxon Algebra 1. I don't know if this would be the right book for us. I have not seen Lial or Foerster. I know they are popular here.
  9. D12 has been working through Foerster Algebra I text. I had her skip the end of chapter test because she was going to her dad's for 6 weeks and I wanted to use them for a retention check. So she started back up this week, working through the end chapter test, having no problems..........Then............ She gets to Chapter 5: Polynomials........did not retain that chapter (also that was the first chapter of new material she had never seen before. What to do know? Work through a chunk of problems from Foerster chpt 5 or something else. What does her lack of retention mean? She had finished up to chapter 9 when she left to go visit dad. She never really struggled when she was working through the problems. Thank You, VANURSEPRACE
  10. Hello, I just got off the phone with the math Cheif at the most expensive, best reputation in our town, private school. I inquired as to what text they use for Algebra I, Geometry and Algebra II. She stated they use Glencoe for all. The edition we spoke about was Glencoe Common Core 2014 Algebra I. She said they also use Foerster as a supplement. Does anyone have any experience with Glencoe? I can not afford to send my daughter to this school, but feel she is being woefully under challenged in public school and sadly, home school is not an option.
  11. We are using a Prentice-Hall Algebra 2 (Bellman, et al) with our 12 year old, which is going fine, and I think it will go fine throughout the year. While we were using Jacobs Geometry, my DS read P-H Algebra 1 and did some problems as an algebra 1 review, so the P-H Algebra 2 approach was familiar. We like that both P-H algebra books show a lot of applications of the algebra being learned. I also like that it includes some data analysis and very basic statistics along the way, since that’s so important in real life and the science we’re planning next year. I also didn’t find a compelling alternative. But now I’m wondering what we’ll use next. Some possibilities are: Larsen Pre-calculus (haven’t actually seen it); Foerster Pre-calculus AoPS Introduction to Counting and Probability as a short “detour,†although we could do pre-calc simultaneously Counting and Probability. I actually have this book. Statistics. Has anyone here used the text “Practice of Statistics for AP, 4th ed†by Starnes, et al.? Anything else? We would like to learn more statistics to help with science next year. Very slowly start a calculus book and reviewing algebra 2 and filling in any gaps along the way. But we’re in no rush to do calculus. Go to AoPS’s 2nd algebra book, Intermediate Algebra. I’m a little hesitant here since we tried AoPS Intro to Algebra and it wasn’t enjoyed by DS after a while. He feels he should “know†how to do the problems he sees and the AoPS approach stresses him out no matter how much I try to explain the approach and he reads their introductory materials. We tried the Intro to Algebra a while ago, when he was 9 ½ and had a very solid background in pre-algebra, so it’s been awhile and a lot of maturing has occurred. But my DS very much likes to see how what he’s learning can be used and AoPS doesn’t seem to have a lot of that. Yes, he’ll play around with some advanced math concepts and logic, but it’s not as much fun for him when it’s assigned. Something else?? I've learned the hard way that just because the prerequisites are met and pre-tests are easy, sometimes the age and interests of the student makes a big difference too. Thanks for any and all insights!
  12. Has anyone used the Math without Borders DVD to go along with the Foerester's algebra and trig book? I'm wondering if it gives enough instruction as I can't really help my son in the subject. Thanks.
  13. Any ideas? I am fixing to start one or the other with my ds (age 12). He gets concepts quite well. Makes a lot of what I call "careless" math errors. Doesn't particularly like to think but is capable of doing it. Any suggestions? Thanks!
  14. Hi everyone, I'm stuck on a problem from Foerster Precalculus (1-3, #13) - I just can't figure out how to input an equation into the y= editor of my TI-84. First I must enter f(x) = 4 x square root of (1-x) + 2.25 x (x-l). I put this in y subscript 1. Then I also have to enter -2 + 3f(x-6). My problem is that I can't figure out how to write f(x) in this way in the y-editor. (After I input these two equations, I am supposed to graph them and see if they match up to the graphs in the text. The topic is transformations - dilations and translations - of functions.) Hopefully this was clear. If anyone could help me, that would be great!
  15. My ds (9th) is wrapping up Ch. 11 of Foerster's Algebra. The last three chapters of the text are: Ch. 12: Radical Algebraic Expressions Ch. 13: Inequalities Ch. 14: Functions and Advanced Topics I know that there is no possible way for him to finish those chapters before summer is over. (He works slowly in math, and we are also preparing to move out of state.) Here are our options as I see them: 1. Finish the book in the fall (probably by Christmas) and then do a lighter geometry over 6 months (MUS or LOF maybe?) 2. Finish Ch. 11, take a break to move, etc., and then do a "regular" geometry text (BJU w/DVDs or TT) this fall, skipping Ch. 12-14 3. Finish Ch. 11, take a break to move, etc., then do a lighter geometry text (finishing early), and then come back to Foerster's for Ch. 12-14 I realize that some of the material in those chapters will be in Alg. 2, but as this child is not super strong in math, a second pass at those topics would be really helpful. Any advice? Thanks.
  16. So... I had all planned to use Foersters for Algebra with my dd. I had gotten a bunch of programs out of the library (Lials/Foersters/Jacobs) and she had chosen Foersters. Then last summer we did AoPS Number Theory (fun math, she calls it!) and I changed gears and decided to give her AoPS Algebra when the time came (I admit to loving AoPS myself). She liked that idea. Then this past year we've done DM1. She did fine with it, but had to spend a lot of time on it - there are some really tough problems in that workbook! She saw her twin sister blasting through Lial's Prealgebra and spending a fraction of the time on three times as many problems. This summer we're doing the 2nd half of AoPS Number Theory. She is still enjoying it. But, yesterday I had her look again at the two Algebra programs, and she asked if she could do the Foersters after all. She said she's tired of spending so much time on math and wants a year of "easy math". I know Foersters is a good, rigorous program although perhaps not as mind-stretching as AoPS. Please assure me that this will be fine and that even though she could handle AoPS, the Foersters will give her an excellent grounding in Algebra. Yes? And maybe I can get dd#3 to do AoPS with me when the time comes? (sniff...) PS. Now I need the (expensive) Foersters Solutions Guide. Unless anyone has one they want to sell me :seeya:, I have to get it from Oasis? Anything I should be using to give her some occasional brain-busting problems, or should I let it go and just do Patty Paper Geometry on Fridays? (and can I say now I'm happy I've procrastinated about sending my plan for next year into the town?)
  17. Does anyone have a website that would let me look at samples of the Foerster's Algebra 1 or any other of his maths. I can't seem to find any samples. Also, is a teacher's edition necessary to teach the course? Thank-you, Annette
  18. My 6th grader is doing fine in pre algebra this year, so I'm looking into algebra programs for next year. I would appreciate any advice you have to offer about these 2 programs. Feel free to throw in another program if you like it better! BTW, I prefer programs that give lots of example and instruction - not a ps text that assumes the teacher doesn't need a lot of help explaining concepts.
  19. PBWM (please bear with me) after my Calc thread earlier this year.... After that thread, I thought it best to use Larson for Calculus and got all the materials in prep for December. Then ds started Precalculus first with Dolciani, then dipped into Larson Precalc, then moved to Foerster Precalc because he did not like how Larson was written. He really likes the way things are explained in Foerster Precalc and is now steaming ahead. He really did not like the way things were explained in Larson and found it hard to understand.. So I got worried and ordered all the materials for Foerster's Calculus (completely forgetting the thread as I was completely distracted at the time) and felt content. :001_smile: Then recently I started looking at the size of the Foerster book compared to the size of the Larson book - it's about 1/3 the size. OK, I know some of the chapters are for the BC test, but still, the Larson book looks so formidable compared to the Foerster one. Have any of you (well your dc) used ONLY the Foerster book, taken the AP Calculus AB and done well (as in get a 5)? Or used it and supplemented? (If so with what?) Or used only it and done poorly? If you supplemented any topics - could you give me advice on which ones and with what materials? I'm thinking he won't want to use Larson. When he approaches materials with pleasure, he just does so much better. It looks like he'll be finished with Precalc by the end of Nov and I want to be ready.... Thank you! Joan
  20. Can someone compare Jacobs, Lial, Foerster, and Teaching Textbook math curriculum? Thanks.
  21. After spending much time searching through the many forums I have finally narrowed down my search of Algebra 2/Geometry books. Algebra 2 Foerster Algebra and Trigonometry Dolciani Algebra and Trigonometry Structure & Method Book 2 Lial Intermediate Algebra Geometry Jacobs? Jurgensen I am looking for a very rigorous course with thorough explanations. I have seen many comparisons on the Forester/Dolciani/Lial/Jacobs book's in past posts and I was wondering which has the most rigorous approach and also a somewhat self teaching method. Also in reference to the Dolciani books is it necessary to get the books from the 60's and 70's because I have an Algebra book from 90's but have read on here that it isn't regarded as highly as the earlier books. Also I heard that Foerster is lacking in proofs and explaining the why of things while Dolciani tends to explain it in more detail. Which texts are more for independent use and which are more teacher oriented? Also in reference to the DVT for Lial's text where are they available and could someone give me a link to them.Overall I'm looking for books for Geometry and Algebra 2 texts and any help or other suggested texts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
  22. If you do Foerster's Algebra 1 do you use Math without Borders and do you like it and find it useful. Do you think it could be used without the cds.
  23. Pros and cons please! Heather
  24. Hi all - my son is finishing up the last chapter of Lial's BCM and I'm ready to get him started on Foerster's Algebra I. Tell me what I need: student text for sure, but what about solutions manual, and teacher's manual? Does the student text have answers to evens or odds in the back? I'm fairly confident about my ability to explain the concepts and teach, so I'm not too worried about the teacher's manual, but I would like to check my son's work without having to work all of the problems myself! Also, where is the best place (cheapest) to get these things? Amazon, direct from publisher? Finally, does it matter what edition I get? I'm assuming everything needs to match up, as far as student text, solutions manual, etc. Any ISBNs anyone can share? I know a lot of people love DVD, DVT etc., but that's not my son's style. He's more of a read the book, have the concept explained by mom, work the problems kind of kid.
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