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  1. Just not sure what to do-- In order to take Alg 1 in 7th grade ps, dd had to make 91 or better on the Iowa Alg Test, and 480 or better on the state test (7th grade math, which she took this year in 6th). We think she scored over 91 on the Iowa, but aren't sure, as we've heard two different things. She might have scored just barely under. We know she scored plenty high on the SOL. So I have a call in to the school to talk to the math counselor re placement. There's no rush, in our eyes, and dd is a little nervous about taking algebra. So we were just going to keep her in 7th grade Honors math. BUT--she's already had it. She's already made an "advanced pass" score on the SOL. WWYD?
  2. Did you finish all basic math first (i.e. addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, fractions, decimals) or did you just address any gaps as they came up? DD is anxious to start algebra or maybe pre-algebra and is bored to death with math in general. We use MUS and have accelerated very quickly starting with Beta. We are now 11 chapters in to Epsilon. For those not familiar with MUS this means she has mastered addition, subtraction, multiplication & long division. I'm wondering if I should go ahead and start pre-algebra and do it concurrently with Epsilon (fractions) and then Zeta (decimals). Either that or we could just do a lesson a day and finish Epsilon and Zeta in about 7 or 8 weeks and start in the fall. Or we could just skip the rest of Epsilon & Zeta and dive right in to pre-algebra covering concepts when needed. I'm always afraid of gaps which is probably an irrational fear since I rarely have to teach dd anything.
  3. I know this might sound like a strange question, but I'm wondering how quickly I should be allowing my 5 year old son to move forward? He asks for schoolwork and eats it up like crazy, and I'm unsure of how far ahead I should let him get. His emotional maturity is about right for his age, so I don't want him to end up getting grouped with kids that are more mature than him, simply because he is further ahead academically than kids his own age (the school was wanting to put him a grade ahead). He is a very social little guy and knows the names and ages, likes and dislikes of half the kids in the community (many of which I don't even know). He is working through grade 2 math and reading books chapter books like little house on the prairie. He is already in piano lessons and gymnastics as well to try and give him something else to focus on. How do I pace him without boring him? We are considering bringing him home for school next year but if I let him work at his own pace then he would just finish school early and not be ready emotionally for college.
  4. My knowledge of how math progresses is based solely on what I did in high school: Algebra I, Geometry, Algebra II, and Precalculus/Trigonometry. If Swimmer Dude is doing Foerster Algebra I in 7th grade along with LoF Beginning Algebra and we are taking our time, what does the progression look like over the next 5 years? Math is not his first love, yet he is careful to make sure he understands the concepts and he doesn't seem to be unreasonably stretched by the work.
  5. My sister, who was a vice principal at a middle school this year, told me that the advanced students take Algebra in 7th grade now, and Geometry in 8th grade. I remember the advanced track being Algebra in 8th grade! Now I'm panicking!
  6. I'm wondering if 6th grade is too young to start pre algebra. I know it's a question for the K-8 boards, but I'm really looking for answers from those of you who have "been there done that". My ds is 10 and doing well in Saxon 7/6. I've read a lot on this board about Lials BCM, and I'm really tempted to start that with him next year instead of continuing with Saxon. On the other hand, I don't want to push him into something he's not ready for. Any advice?? Thanks so much!!
  7. Has anyone here heard of issues later with colleges when a child does Algebra in 5th grade. My home school association here in South Carolina is cautioning me against this because colleges will question the class and the credits later on. They are recommending having him take a competency test every year given by someone else to validate the class. I am not planning on having him graduate early since he plans on attending a large university. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
  8. I have seen how many will count Algebra I taken in 8th grade as a high school credit since it's required for graduation. I know private schools teach algebra I in 8th too. How does that work?
  9. What are some favorite math programs for math-gifted kids? Younger DD (K'er) is *flying* through regular math and I want to add a little more challenge and slow her down. We're currently combining McRuffy (she does the workbook for fun) and TT3. She really likes both programs but if we stick with TT3 that would put her in pre-algebra in 4th/5th grade. Yes, this is a problem for me at the moment. I just don't see the point in rushing into algebra. She's NOT going to college early so I'd rather save higher math for 8th gr and above. There's also the issue of her flying ahead of her older sister. Not sure how to handle that. Older DD is pretty sensitive and is hurt by the fact that little sister has caught up to her. Anyway, I'm looking for an easy-to-teach, challenging math program that will help her go broader and deeper but not necessarily faster. Any suggestions?
  10. Well, my math program plan changed as DS got super-duper whiny and clingy with NEM 1. Apparently, me doing a lot of support and explanation of the written work meant in his mind that it was my job to hand-hold him through the actual problems. More than anything, he fought me tooth and nail about actually writing his work down. While I had some sympathies, due to dis age, the fact is that he CANNOT constitutionally have me be just his scribe because in seconds, he starts leaning on me to do things for him he could have done in his sleep a year before. Finally, I threw in the towel and bought Harold Jacobs' Elementary Algebra because that's something he could do nearly alone pretty easily. Having used the two side-by-side, I have to say that it's night and day. (We'd actually gotten pretty far into the NEM when I gave it up, so we'd reached the chapters on actual algebra.) If Jacobs' is an acceptable "regular" course, NEM is ABSOLUTELY an honors course. The level of reasoning required form the student is so far higher that it's hardly the same course for the bits that do cover the same topics--even as it covers the same materials! A student who pays attention will get enormous depths from NEM that Jacobs does not even scratch the surface of. Jacobs is crystal-clear. It's concise. It's thorough. It's solid. It leads students from one point to the next with admirable directness. I really think any parent can teach from this book! NEM is sophisticated and demanding. It's sly, and it teases the able students by challenging them to constantly discover easier ways of doing the work. It leads kids to high levels of self-discovery. It's a guide up the same mountain, but Jacobs takes the day-hike with illustrated markers and scenic overlooks, and NEM takes the north face with all kinds of jaunts into fascinating and challenging territory. Both kids will make it to the top of the same mountain--but the NEM kid will be ten times the athlete. I would never, ever hesitate again to call NEM honors. What DS is doing now? Yeah. NOT honors. I'm happy with it, he's learning self-sufficiency, and the burden for him of writing the answers is a fraction of what it was with NEM. But it's not the same trip. Not at all. I really do feel the need to supplement Jacobs, though, in a way I never would with NEM.
  11. What are the reasons for doing Algebra 1 in 8th grade? Is this what is expected nowadays? If you have a child who probably isn't going into a math or science field (still making As in math, but seemingly more gifted in other areas), should Algebra 1 still be completed in 8th grade? Do they need to take Algebra 1 in 8th to do well on the PSAT?
  12. So I'm thinking about how I'm going to handle the next couple of years into high school. Maybe the prospect of being in the same place for more than two years has me twitchy (we're military and move a lot). Maybe it's just that I've realized how expensive putting three kids through college is going to be and want to give them all the basis for choice that I can. I have two sons who have tracked together academically from the very beginning. One is in 7th grade, while his brother is in 6th. This year in math they are doing pre-algebra (Key to series and Saxon Algebra 1/2). I would say that the 7th grader ® is a good student with a lot of creativity and smarts (with IQ and achievement test scores in early elementary that put him into gifted range) who tends toward distraction and inertia. The 6th grader © is very smart. Fast, high level reader with a phenomenal memory. IQ and achievement scores that put him into profoundly gifted ranges. He has been doing the same math as his brother since they were in kindergarten and pre-k (actually 3.5 years old). He asked to learn to read at 4 and finished 100 EZ Lessons in six months. In many ways his academic ability is beyond his brother, but his emotional maturity is closer to age appropriate. So, I'm wondering what to do with the two of them as we approach academics that might go onto a high school transcript. I anticipate that R will start algebra next year, with C right along with him. If things go smoothly (here's our first assumption) then we might have a progression like 8-algebra 1, 9-algebra 2, 10-Advanced Mathematics, 11-Calculus. However, C would be in the same courses one grade earlier. Questions: 1) This progression would have them doing three years of math in the high school years or would count 8th grade algebra on the transcript. What are the pros and cons of this. 2) As the math gets harder, it might take more than one year to complete a course (ex. adv. math or calc). What would the impact of this be. 3) I don't want to hold back the student who is honestly more comfortable with the math (C, the younger brother). But I'm worried about either counting his 7th grade work for high school levels or locking him into a situation where he has to take even high levels of math to have enough credits in high school (or to avoid his having a gap in senior year). Thoughts from thos who've been there and done this? 4) Or should I just not fret this early and plan to do dual enrollment if we get to that point (though we may only have online options as we've been spending a lot of years overseas, where the DOD schools and the local college campus extensions don't work particularly well with dual/partial enrollment students). Please hit me with the good, bad and ugly that I'm not considering.
  13. Joy is a 10yo fifth grader who eats math for breakfast, finds humor on a page of what seems, to my eye, to be plain ole drills, and will print math pages off the internet after all her lessons are done for the day. She has mastered fractions and decimals. LoF and R&S are what she uses the most; she bounces between them. She has dabbled in literally every math book left from her older brother, and could work in the one he's currently working in. Some people do crosswords; Joy does math. So far I've let her pretty much do whatever she wants to, but algebra is getting closer and she just turned ten this summer. There is no way LoF pre-algebra will last her until she has "hair under her arms" as the author suggests. Would you let this kid keep speeding ahead like a runaway freight train and not worry about maturity level matching algebra needs? Do pre-algebra or algrebra twice? Or just have her go wider where she's at? If you chose the latter, please explain how.
  14. Hi, Can anyone have tips to get Algebra going before high school?
  15. I have two older kids that struggle with math, but my youngest really excels. He is 11yo and about 1/4 of the way through Saxon 76, making 100's on a regular basis. He doesn't complain of being bored - just says its kind of easy. After watching my older two struggle when they hit algebra, I'm a little cautious, but this child is different. He just seems to "get it", and not just math - grammar, logic, science, writing, etc... Any suggestions? Should I move him ahead? Maybe a diffierent curriculum that moves more quickly? I gave up on Saxon for my older boys - not enough explanation for them and too much jumping around - and moved them to Lial. Don't know anything about Lial before the pre-algebra level. Thanks, MommyThrice
  16. Twins (4th grade) are in Singapore 4A - pretty much snoozing through it.....they could do it with their eyes closed. So, today, I started them doing Kinetic Pre-Algebra - which they LOVED.........:party:..............and grasped immediately. I will continue using Kinetic with them (and I had ordered TT Pre-Algebra last week and it should be here soon). My instinct is to continue with SM 4A (we are also doing SM's Math Sprints and Brain Maths) - we don't do all the problems now in the 4A book b/c they would be bored to tears if we did. Can anyone provide suggestions or tell me what they have done in a similar situation? TIA
  17. Curious about this... Learned this from a relative of ours. Her son is advanced in math, and took pre-alg in 5th grade in public school. Next year, all the 6th graders will be combined in one level and all will take pre-algebra (i.e., advanced and behind kids are all taking the same level). The mom is upset because her son excelled in pre-alg this year but will be forced to take pre-alg again next year. He should be taking Intermediate Algebra. Anyhow... Yes, it is sad that the public schools are forcing all 6th gr kids of all abilities to be in the same level, and I think this system will TANK big time, but the other part of me is saying... Pre-algebra in 6th grade??? Really??? :001_huh: When I was in school, all the smartest kids took pre-alg in 7th gr. Most homeschool math texts are doing pre-alg in 7th-8th gr. I know elementary texts are using pre-alg concepts in their books, but I'm still really dumbfounded by the idea that everyone would be taking pre-alg in 6th gr. Curious to know your reaction...
  18. I just ('doh!) remembered that there are Saxon placement tests. This should help me figure out exactly where she needs to be. :D
  19. My 5th grade son has finished Singapore Math 6, including CWP and Intensive practice. With the exception of some of the more challenging word problems, it was pretty easy for him. So, I don't have a clue where to go with 6th grade. Do I do pre-algebra? If so, what?? Do I move into Algebra and go slowly with him?? I've looked at Foerster's , and I like what I see. They also have the home companion CD's which would be an added bonus. Since my son is only going into 6th grade, I'm not sure which route to take. I feel he has a good handle on what he learned in Singapore. He doesn't like a lot of review, so Saxon is out. I've also looked at Jacob's online, but I dont' know what it really looks like inside. If my son was in 7th, I'd just go with Foerster's, but since he's younger, I'm not sure what to do. Help!!
  20. I bought some of those Algebra brush-up type books at the thrift store, meant to help high schoolers or older with Algebra concepts. My ds7 (almost 8) picked one up and read most of it yesterday. It is truly a basic book called No Fear Algebra, and there were basics of what is a variable, negative numbers, expressions with more than one variable, order of operations, fractions, etc. We are most of the way through RightStart D and will start E maybe in February, and after that they recommend VideoText Algebra, which we will do alongside RS Geometry which he also wants to do. Ds knows this, so after he read the book said he didn't want to do RS anymore because he was ready for algebra. I am still planning to finish RightStart I think, just because I really love the program and have it in my head to finish it and do it right. But to be honest, the whole level D has been very easy for him, a lot of worthwhile stuff to learn but not challenging iykwim. He understands fractions and decimals but we haven't gotten into multiplying and dividing, and still just starting long division. I'm open to finding something that will get us there faster. So I guess I am looking for maybe a fun introduction to algebra book (is there such a thing??) for him to do whenever he wants but still learn the other concepts by going through the rest of RightStart or perhaps another curriculum at a quicker pace. Would LOF be too much? DS has never been excited about math except for the drawing/geometry, though he really enjoyed some math circles he was in with other gifted kids so maybe he just wants more challenging work. Any ideas? :bigear:
  21. My ds-5 is racing through math texts. He's already finished Horizons K and Singapore 1A, Horizons 1 isn't challenging at all and he's racing through CWP 1. It's only November of Kindergarten, so I'm a little nervous. I've sort of held him back curriculum-wise because I'm afraid of gaps. He tested into Horizons 2, but I didn't feel comfortable skipping K and 1. However, those gaps (skip counting, time, etc.) I was afraid of have been intuitive for him and he really didn't need any instruction at all. We only do about 20 mins of math a day and he's always asking for more. How do all of you proceed with mathy kids? Do I just let him go and finish 3 levels of math this year? Do I slow him down so that he doesn't get to algebra too quickly? TIA,
  22. My dd is in 5th grade at a charter school (I afterschool.) She did 5th grade math last year, and started this year in pre-algebra. They gave a bunch of students a placement test to see if they were ready for algebra, and dd scored 100%. So they are moving her to algebra. My concerns are: 1. What will she do in high school if she's doing algebra in 5th grade? 2. She's 11. She is a really mathy kid, but will this math stick? 3. Her teacher does not really seem like a "mathy" person- teaches straight from the book, etc. I don't feel like dd will be getting a deep understanding of math. 4. I afterschool with Singapore Math. We finished 5th grade last year, and are starting 6th. Should I just keep using the Singapore series at home, or is there something better out there? Any opinions appreciated!
  23. In another thread it was mentioned that some PS children are doing algebra in 7th grade. I'm curious, what do those children do in 11th and 12th grade? From a homeschooling perspective, I understand dual enrollment is our best option. Is it the same for PS children? Do they go onto a college campus for math or is there a teacher on site for those students? I ask because I have a 7th grade working her way through Saxon Algebra I. I worked very hard to hold her off until this year. She is simply a strong math student. We may look at PSs for high school. Thanks.
  24. I'm really asking out of geniune curiosity. I have looked at the FCAT for 5th and 6th grade and noticed an alarming number of math problems which involved algebra and lots of graphs and interpreting them and very few ordinary problems in division, fractions and decimals. I was really caught off guard. Also, a mom at ballet class has a son in 4th who was sharing his algebra work in his 4th grade textbook. One of the main reasons I grew increasingly frustrated with public school approaches was the daily contradictions in what is developmentally appropriate and what they actuallly required to be taught (my degree is in elem. educ. and I taught before having children for a little while). What is the reason for this? Dd in 6th is using R&S and I love its focus on understanding and using fractions, decimals, etc. They introduce a tiny bit of pre-algebra this year and I know we will cover it well next year. Isn't this a good choice for an average math student? If anyone knows more, could you share with me? We add Singapore on the side to work on thinking skills and how to set up problems so I thought this would be enough. I know she doesn't have to take the FCAT but still I keep wondering why they are teaching this so early. Thanks!
  25. I thought I had this figured out, but after reading comments, I'm not sure anymore. I don't want to mess my kids up in math because I feel math is extremely important. I have no clue if any of them want to go on to math/science intensive fields when they get to college (that's still a LONG ways off) so I feel it's better to go with the assumption that they will, until they get to high school and can decide for themselves. I have no clue what my goals should be. Should they do Algebra I in 8th grade? I did Algebra I in 9th grade (and I'm NOT mathy at all) and my very mathy DH did Algebra I in 8th grade. My kids will be going to public school for high school, so I don't know if that makes any difference. What are you planning to do for middle school math? Or if you have a high schooler, what did they do?
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