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  1. So I’ve gone through and read a bunch of threads about ADHD and slow processing and a bit on dyslexia but now would like some input 🙂 We just finished getting my soon to be 9yo son tested and I think I’m struggling with knowing how to put together a plan from here. His WISC Scores: VC 130 98% Similarities 16 98% Vocab 15 95% VS 108 70% Block Design 12 75% Visual Puzzles 11 63% FR 126 96% Matrix Reason 11 63% Figure Weights 18 99.6% WM 97 42% Digit Span 9 37% Picture Span 10 50% PS 72 3% Coding 4 2% Symbol Search 6 9% (FSIQ 116 / 86%, GAI 128 / 97%) So... psychologist said he would be considered 2e He also has "mild"' ADHD inattentive type, also dyslexia and dysgraphia. I'm no psychologist but I did work in mental health as a case manager for several years and I have seen how little we actually know about the brain ... and neurotransmitters, etc. Something that I found interesting about the testing is that really high "figure weights" score up there... we have done balance benders at home (which I found out is almost identical to what is used in the IQ test) so it was something he was already very familiar with whereas the other testing were not things he would have been exposed to before.... I don't feel like I got a good answer to why his processing speed is so slow. My understanding is that it can be audio, visual, motor or some combination. I have this theory that the other diagnoses are really almost a sub-type to the slow processing. Meaning, if he could increase his processing speed his attentiveness, dyslexia and dysgraphia wouldn't be so notable. Now, if this isn't true, and I just need to back off and accept things "as they are" I'm open to that too.... He's a really compassionate, funny, and truly delightful boy. I'm wondering if we need to get further testing done for the processing speed idea... like seeing an optometrist for possible visual processing, audiologist, etc. any thoughts? Testing has already been a huge hit on our finances (we were initially told it would be about $250 but because he's so slow she had to add on another day and now it's close to $500) I've started him back up on fish oil and was wondering if I should ask for testing for vit b levels, zinc, magnesium and iron (is that a thing to do?) I've seen recommendations for Interactive Metrenome... is this something that can be done at home or does it have to be done by a "provider" We've used AAR from level 1 and we are on level 3 now. He is reading 61wpm (which is typical for end of 1st grade). I thought we were going slow enough but I realize I was probably still pushing him too hard so we are slowing down even more. I've seen recommendations for Nessy and Reading Eggs but I really don't want to add MORE onto his plate unless really necessary. Has anyone looked at how these compare to 22learn phonics and sight words ? I'm open to thoughts, impressions, suggestions... Thanks for sticking with this long post 🙂 He also had Kaufman, and Beery Buktenica but I don't want to overwhelm with a bunch of numbers....
  2. We have the testing completed. Dyslexia -dysgraphia- ADHD is the diagnosis for my 11 yr old ds. I'm having trouble finding a Tudor. Does anyone have thought on Sylvan learning for a tutoring option. I'm asking questions at Sylvan but can't seem to make sense of it. I'm not hearing key words or phrase like "Barton, O-G system, systematic phonetic approach..." and it has me concerned. The guy just keeps talking about how great his software is. His approach for my kid is to build his vocabulary. He thinks the phonetic window has closed because of his age. I really trust the experience you all have here. Thoughts?
  3. We're very privately thinking of moving to Corpus Christi, and I have a new need for an educational therapist for one of my children. Are there any in the area who do Feuerstein therapy? Any who regularly help with low working memory, dysgraphia in written expression, SLP in pragmatics? NILD, AET, SCLE? Any private, therapeutic schools? (cross-posted to geographic forum)
  4. We're very privately thinking of moving to Corpus Christi, and I have a new need for an educational therapist for one of my children. Are there any in the area who do Feuerstein therapy? Any who regularly help with low working memory, dysgraphia in written expression, SLP in pragmatics? NILD, AET, SCLE? Any private, therapeutic schools? (cross-posted to learning challenges forum)
  5. I am searching high and low for a writing curriculum that I think would help my son. He is 8 1/2 and in 3rd grade, but his writing looks like a kindergarteners on a good day. And he really struggles with organizing thoughts to put into writing. He may be considered dysgraphic, though I have never had him evaluated for that. I am looking for a program that will really lay out all of the steps and build incrementally. I've tried the more open-ended approach with Brave Writer and free writing and giving writing prompts. We are working through BJU level 2 and Moving Beyond the Page language arts as well, but none of this is clicking with him and it seems to be making it worse. For example, today we read a short chapter from Story of the World and he was just supposed to write a few sentences about Alexander the Great. Now, if I ask him questions, he has NO problem answering them. Even if they are more open-ended kind of questions. He can verbalize easily...and I have spent the last 2 years letting him mostly dictate and I help guide his thinking. But when he tries to even write one sentence alone, it either isn't a complete sentence (not even close), or it is a complete sentence, but it has nothing to do with the assignment. He was supposed to write a couplet about weather the other day, picking a type of weather and choosing some rhyming words that went along with that type of weather. he was able to choose the kind of weather and even a list of rhyming words. But man....there was NO way to get him to understand that he was supposed to use THOSE rhyming words he came up with, to write a couplet about that kind of weather. He would either write a sentence fragment that didn't rhyme, or he would come up with a couplet that didn't have anything to do with weather, etc. Later that day, he read a couplet on a cereal box and came running to tell me that he found a couplet about weather! It was about snow (he was writing about rain)...so I ended up letting him copy it for his couplet. I am considering Essentials in Writing because it is DVD based and MAYBE having someone else trying to teach him would be better for him....? I'm also considering WriteShop Primary Level B. But I really don't want to be bogged down with crafty things, as he has a really hard time with fine motor and that wouldn't be helpful. I do NOT like IEW, so even though I have it, I don't want to use that one. Please help!
  6. If anyone has any experience with either of these, I'd love some input! DS1 (nearly 10) is in the middle of Barton level 5 and DS2 (age 8) is in Barton level 4 (during which we repeat/stick with each lesson until he "gets it"....this level is just so stinkin' difficult!) I have had them do copywork, but have not addressed "writing" (as in, composition) thus far (or at least, not "formally"!) Now, though, I am debating between IEW (institute for excellence in writing http://iew.com/ ) and Here to Help Learning (http://heretohelplearning.com/). I have researched IEW alot and know it is a great program with many people who love it. I saw Here to Help Learning at our recent local Homeschool Convention/Conference and it looks promising - and entertaining (a big bonus for my boys). For what it's worth, I went to the convention expecting that I would leave there with the IEW products I had planned to purchase there....but, then saw the Here to Help Learning booth. Talked to the person there (the husband/owner) and watched some of the video stuff. Then, I wasn't sure which one might be a better fit for us!?! (grrrrr.....sometimes too many choices just makes homeschooling life more difficult ;) )
  7. Now in week 20 of WWE2, and my newly-8yo is crying nearly every day we do writing! He is very smart, but he has SPD and a fine motor delay and was recently diagnosed with dysgraphia (still wrapping my brain around that). He can copy a sentence or two, with pretty bad handwriting, and does great with the narrations and answering questions after the passages. But the dictations! They are becoming longer and more frequent and he's just not able to do them without a lot of time and incredible distress. Today he was supposed to write "'Your words are bold,' the king said to Alexander, 'but are you bold enough to mount the horse yourself?'" There was no way that was going to happen, so I only actually dictated "'Your words are bold,' the king said to Alexander," and it still ended in tears and a page of barely-legible words written in the wrong order and he never finished. I'm not sure what to do. Back track and then move more slowly? Continue in WWE2 but do copy work instead of the dictations? Ditch WWE for him alltogether and find something else for writing? (Like what??) He is a strong reader (school psych said 8th grade reading and comprehension level), speaks fluidly and can narrate and summarize very very well. But his thoughts have a hard time coming out of his hand. The dictations in WWE2 are beyond his present abilities.
  8. Has anyone tried the Mod Math app? It's free, and looks like it could be pretty cool for people with handwriting troubles. http://www.modmath.com/
  9. Last year DD12 was assessed and diagnosed with stealth dyslexia and dysgraphia. She is a voracious reader, so the psychologist believes that she has basically memorized thousands of word shapes in order to read. She re-reads books multiple times, so we think that she's basically picking up more each time she reads it through, although her comprehension was in the 95th percentile. The recommendations on her report were to get a COVD exam and possible treatment, an OT eval for visual-motor integration and fine motor coordination difficulties, and “a reading and writing tutor that focuses upon the visual and kinesthetic difficulties associated with reading, spelling, and written production.†There suggestion is a program such as Slingerland. We started with a COVD exam, thinking that we wanted to get the physical processes in place before we worked on mental. She started VT last spring and recently finished. Now we need to figure out what to do next. I'm leaning towards the reading remediation rather than OT for financial reasons. Since a private tutor also isn't in the cards for right now, I was thinking about using Barton. But I'm wondering if her ability to sight-read everything make that a bad idea? Would it interfere with her ability to re-learn? Part of me thinks it would at least be worth a try, especially since I can re-sell when we're done. Any thoughts or other suggestions?
  10. I met with my son's former IEW tutor on Thursday and she loaned me an excellent magazine put out by The International Dyslexia Association titled Perspectives of Language and Literacy: Understanding Executive Function Spring Edition 2014. The research in this magazine is helpful for understanding the why's of EF. If you are not a member of the IDA, the cost for the magazine is $15. I called out mothers with dysgraphic kiddos because one of the articles explains the strong link between fine motor and executive function; however, the mag will benefit any parent of a child with learning issues. Anyhoo..just wanted to share. NAYY, YMMV
  11. Hi There, I had my son evaluated yesterday, and the results said he has dysgraphia. I've known for a while that his handwriting when trying to do school work is horrible. His cursive was rather good, but quick writing produces awkward looking letters. When in Public school he preferred printing. At his eval, the Dr suggested doing typing whenever possible. He said that I could have him do beautiful writing ... (slowly) but it would do nothing in his note taking skills, and that it's a waste of time for him. (in his opinion) His IQ is rather high... His math score was low, because on the page, he stopped when he finished his "Arithmetic" part and didn't go any farther when he saw he was suppose to evaluate which fraction was the largest. (The next problem was figuring out a problem with one unknown) His reading skills are very high, his spelling is.... low... He's in Public School this next year, and I'm trying to figure out what I want to do over the summer.... as well as fine tuning his 504 plan for the next year. If you have suggestions or stories... I'd love to hear them!!!
  12. Hi There, My son is going into 6th grade, and so I'm looking for a program that will help his writing for next year. I'd picked a basic workbook writing program, but I'm wondering if there's an computer based program... Thanks!
  13. Apparently it is a way of typing in or selecting math so a student doesn't have to write out everything in higher level math problems by hand? Just thinking this might be an interesting option for dysgraphic kids and kids with low working memory? Never heard of it until today. Someone mentioned it on Dyslexic Advantage. http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/
  14. My ds10 is currently seeing an OT for motor planning and handwriting issues. I've attached a brief article that describes the skills needed for handwriting, problems kids may have, and some strategies to help them. It is a general overview, but it helped me to better understand all of the different skills needed in order to write. http://www.cdl.org/resource-library/articles/graphomotor.php
  15. Hi. I'm a homeschooling mom of two boys, 9 & 4. My oldest was just (kindof) diagnosed with NLD yesterday. We thought he had dysgraphia but wanted a professional opinion since he also struggles some with attention and executive functioning. I thought dysgraphia was tough to explain! Of course it's all that not surprising, but I'm still trying to process this new info. I hadn't come across NLD before, but after going through the description I agree it seems a fitting diagnosis. Thank goodness we started homeschooling when he was 7! Anyone else familiar with this? What have you found to be and important aspect of your schooling? Any big helpers that you've found, regarding planning or "output" of work? We have a pretty good system in place for writing (scribing, typing and a little cursive). We use Life of Fred for math (and that has been a Godsend). Just looking for any words of wisdom, really! Thanks!
  16. How do you deal with grading papers or written assignments for your Dyslexic kiddo once they reach the HS level? Up until HS DS was basically accommodated out of any writing due to dysgraphia/dyslexia, but he is a Sophomore now and I have real concerns about his writing abilities and how best to get him to progress. Our main areas of concern are: organization to complete the assignment, mechanics and self-editing, expressing more mature thought in written expression. I am thinking about setting certain goals like Level One Goal -If you finish the paper with the correct word count and structure and turn it in on time, I will give you an A. Level Two Goal-On time and all the self edits are good, I give you an A. Level Three-On time, good edits, good content A. Is this a terrible idea? This kid is super smart but his output if it isn't in discussion format is so juvenile and I want to help him out as much as possible. Maybe if we master one part of the assignment requirements at a time he can get it.
  17. My older son, 15, is twice exceptional (gifted with learning disabilities), and I thought other parents might find it helpful to know how we've navigated college/dual enrollment with those disabilities. In short, we've found enormous support but accommodations don't solve everything. I'm glad to answer questions on this list, off list, or via my blog. Accommodating Disability, College Style
  18. Hi all, I've been on the WTM boards for years, although I've been on hiatus from here for most of the last year. I went to a Susan Barton presentation last night and came away confirmed in my suspicion that at least two of my kids are dyslexic. I was beginning to think I should just put my 4th grader in school, but I'm more convinced now than ever before that home is the place for her and her siblings. No bureaucracy, no advocacy, just suck it up and git 'er done. But how, exactly? I'm re-evaluating my curriculum choices, so I'll be doing lots of research on the boards to find the best fits for our family. Buckling up for a bumpy ride...
  19. Last year I could barely get a sentence out of DS, he is 11, and in 5th grade. He is also dysgraphic and/or NVLD, so the physical act of writing is very difficult for him. He is very bright, and VERY verbal, with wonderful descriptive language, and an ear for inflection, but has problems relating a story in any kind of logical order. I tried WWS, but could tell by the second excerpt that he was going to really hate the selections, so I am working on narrations using a book of parables from world religions. I did a lot of reading over the summer, and I think I really understand the philosphy or copywork, dictation and narration, and I really want to get him into outlining soon since we are covering high level science and he needs note taking skills. Can you guys look at his narration from today and see if we are on the right track? I didn't correct it for perfection, as I don't want to nitpick and stop him from writing again. Ok, I tried to upload it directly, but my file is too big? Here is the link to his page as a google doc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RO_bYJTK8Np0c9MEPl7zfhde3W5VaYZLg2vALoNjZao/edit He did this all on his own, with only a little bit of prompting from me to pick out the main points, and even erased a whole sentence when his words were much too close together. Does this seem like we are on the right track?
  20. I'm new here, and Ds is 7 (starting 2nd grade). We just received a diagnosis of dysgraphia and mild ADD, and I'm kind of lost trying to plan for next year's writing and spelling. This year we did WWE 1 and AAS 1. WWE worked well-- he found the story excerpts interesting, but the writing was a lot of work and his penmanship is pretty bad. Spelling is especially challenging for him, and AAS was a disaster. We also need to work on grammar in a way that isn't writing intensive. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
  21. I'm wondering if some of dd8's struggles are caused by dysgraphia. Handwriting has always been difficult and stressful for her, and her writing isn't pretty in spite of her perfectionist tendencies. In particular, she has always struggled with reversals--which I just took as normal when she is younger, but it seems they should have resolved by now. I don't see her reversing letters much anymore, but she does it all the time with numbers--they are at least as likely to face backwards as forwards, and I don't think she recognizes the difference. She can even be looking at a model of the number and copy it backwards. She likes to type, but resists any kind of handwriting. She reads very well. The thing is, I've never been good at handwriting myself--and I've done a lot of it! When we lived in France school classes mostly consisted of teachers lecturing while writing their lectures on the board, and all the students copying exactly what was written. That made for a lot of writing, and I never could keep up. My handwriting is moderately legible but doesn't look nice. More interestingly, I have realized that even as an adult with 30+ years of writing experience I still have to think about individual letter formation when I write. It was something I had never really paid attention to until I was teaching dd handwriting, and decided to go with D'Nealian style. I felt I needed to learn that style myself so I could model it and make copywork for her, so I started using it whenever I wrote. I had expected writing to be more difficult/slower with a brand new font--and was surprised to find it wasn't any harder than it had been before. That's when I realized that no matter how I was writing I always had to think about how to form the letters. Is that normal??? It seems after a certain amount of practice it should just come automatically (like typing does!). Spelling was my worst subject in elementary school--at least after I learned to read, which didn't happen until I was 8. I also tend to leave things out when writing by hand--without realizing I am doing it. Most often it is the last letter of a word, sometimes multiple times in a single sentence. Other times I will leave out an entire word. I don't catch it unless I go back and read what I wrote. I suspect I suffer from some degree of dyslexia as well, although reading is not difficult for me now. It took me a long time to learn, and my mom tells me it was as if I couldn't tell the difference between one word and another when I was young. I still say every word in my mind when I read, and from what I understand it is more common for mature readers to visualize what they are reading without actually being aware of every word (I can't even imagine that). I have also struggled immensely with learning any new alphabet or writing system, I just can't remember the characters--although other aspects of foreign language learning seem to be relatively easy for me. Does any of this sound familiar? What should I do to help dd? --Sarah
  22. Originally posted on the general board, someone pointed me over here. I'm hoping some people can share experiences with me: I'm wondering if some of dd8's struggles are caused by dysgraphia. Handwriting has always been difficult and stressful for her, and her writing isn't pretty in spite of her perfectionist tendencies. In particular, she has always struggled with reversals--which I just took as normal when she is younger, but it seems they should have resolved by now. I don't see her reversing letters much anymore, but she does it all the time with numbers--they are at least as likely to face backwards as forwards, and I don't think she recognizes the difference. She can even be looking at a model of the number and copy it backwards. She likes to type, but resists any kind of handwriting. She reads very well. The thing is, I've never been good at handwriting myself--and I've done a lot of it! When we lived in France school classes mostly consisted of teachers lecturing while writing their lectures on the board, and all the students copying exactly what was written. That made for a lot of writing, and I never could keep up. My handwriting is moderately legible but doesn't look nice. More interestingly, I have realized that even as an adult with 30+ years of writing experience I still have to think about individual letter formation when I write. It was something I had never really paid attention to until I was teaching dd handwriting, and decided to go with D'Nealian style. I felt I needed to learn that style myself so I could model it and make copywork for her, so I started using it whenever I wrote. I had expected writing to be more difficult/slower with a brand new font--and was surprised to find it wasn't any harder than it had been before. That's when I realized that no matter how I was writing I always had to think about how to form the letters. Is that normal??? It seems after a certain amount of practice it should just come automatically (like typing does!). Spelling was my worst subject in elementary school--at least after I learned to read, which didn't happen until I was 8. I also tend to leave things out when writing by hand--without realizing I am doing it. Most often it is the last letter of a word, sometimes multiple times in a single sentence. Other times I will leave out an entire word. I don't catch it unless I go back and read what I wrote. I suspect I suffer from some degree of dyslexia as well, although reading is not difficult for me now. It took me a long time to learn, and my mom tells me it was as if I couldn't tell the difference between one word and another when I was young. I still say every word in my mind when I read, and from what I understand it is more common for mature readers to visualize what they are reading without actually being aware of every word (I can't even imagine that). I have also struggled immensely with learning any new alphabet or writing system, I just can't remember the characters--although other aspects of foreign language learning seem to be relatively easy for me. Does any of this sound familiar? What should I do to help dd? --Sarah
  23. Ok-DS13 had dsylexia and dsygraphia. We have tried every curriculum under the sun! Here we are 3 weeks before school and I can't figure out what I am going to use for history! I am bring home my ds10 this year and he needs some remediation in reading and spelling so I will not be able to read everything to DS13 and baby sit him. We tried in the Past: Sonlight-loved the stories hated to read! I read everything to him and we talked about the books. He really remember alot. He would be studying the Eastern Hempishere. He doesn't want to study it.:confused: He wants modern history (like WWI and WWII). I liked the fact that he would have to start researching (somthing we haven't tackled yet) Oak Meadow-He likes the content for 7th grade but it is very writing intensive. I could drop the writing. There again I would have to read it all to him. You can get the online program but you have to buy the whole package-($300) other wise he could use the kurzweil to read it. We used this last year and I only bought the history (they don't do this anymore). Trisms (HM)-Holy smokes! I loved this but I would have to do so much work to adjust it and find the proper books that it would allow me little time to work with DS10. Verticy-Why am I even looking at this! He hated it, I can't justify spending that much money on it when WE hated the history and didn't use the phonics. We will be using the writing though. It was so nice to have everything there and done for you! Oh, I wish 7th grade was better than 6th! Why can they make something that I don't have to do so much changing up? And why must everything be so expensive! I looked at k12 but $300 for one history class is just wayyy too much. Help me put this in perspective:bigear: Well this is what we have so far: Apologia-General science(cd format) & Lapbook Verticy Writing Green level AAS 4 and 5 Computers & typing(increasing speed) Phonics CLE math 6 Ugh! I am going to go crazy soon.I want to find something and stick with it! I haven't even done that much planning for ds10. I am NOT looking forward to this year:glare:
  24. My DS 14 has been working at the high school level for a few years, and while his ability to grasp higher level topics is strong, his ability to study for a test or take notes is, well, not so swift. He is dysgraphic and has ADHD, so I know these are playing a role in the development of these skills, but he needs to develop these before moving on to classroom experiences in the next few years. For note taking, he'll try taking notes to the Teaching Company course he's selected, Meteorology. He'll also be taking notes from his reading, likely guided by a set of questions at first (working on creating that). The piece I'm missing is assessment. Last year, he took Chemistry tests I wrote for him and a buddy. For some of the tests, he did beautifully. For others, he really crashed. For ALL the tests, he was sure he knew all the material, even AFTER taking the test. He seems to have no insight into his handle on the material. I really can't fathom that, but it's true. I could certainly predict which tests he'd do well on, given HOW he studied, but he couldn't see the difference until I pointed it out. And still he'd bomb. Any ideas for test preparation are welcome (Except for standardized tests -- he's amazingly good at those. But then there's no studying required.) Thanks!
  25. Our DS1 is likely dyslexic/dysgraphic. He is just emerging as a reader (he is a vision therapy patient with identified visual processing issues.) He absolutely hates writing by hand and it is very laborious for him - he has not committed any of the handwriting strokes or direction/order to memory so writing anything really wears him out. We will continue working on this but I want to find other ways for him to learn to express himself in printed words. He has just started to learn keyboarding but it is going to take a while. He is not comfortable with spelling either. I just found something I think is going to help him...I didn't find any other posts about it here so I thought I would post about it in case it helps someone else. I found a company called Primary Concepts, and they have a bunch of products that are different types of tiles. They have one particular product called Instant Sentence Tiles. Words are already put together in color-coded groups that fill in who, what, where and when. The child can just pick a tile from each color group and make a fun sentence. I ordered these and I am hoping they may get him started with some written expression. http://www.primaryconcepts.com/sent-stories/Inst-Sent-Tiles.asp I don't know if anyone else here has used anything like this or not. I also ordered some of their other tile products - they have word tiles, tiles with letters already grouped into combinations that occur in English, compound word tiles, build-a-longer-word tiles, and then just plain letter tiles. I also ordered a storyboard and magnetic words from Lakeshore: http://www.lakeshorelearning.com/seo/p|2534374302101182~~f|/Assortments/Lakeshore/ShopByCategory/language/writingskills.jsp I want to get him creating sentences in print without the need to write or type holding him back. Right now he just wants to avoid the whole process completely and I'm trying to make it less intimidating for him. The other product line that I found that I couldn't find much about here is the First Strokes handwriting series. I've ordered some of the workbooks for him. I'm want to help him commit the direction and order of the handwriting strokes to memory. His vision therapist is going to start doing this with him too but she only sees him once a week. I have looked through the Handwriting Without Tears materials and I just can't get into it, so I went looking for something else. I hope these materials will help him and that we can get handwriting going without OT. This series is used by OTs so I am optimistic about it. http://www.firststrokeshandwriting.com/FS/Products/product_list.php If anyone else has tried either of these things, I would like to hear how it worked for your child. I can also come back and post an update about both the First Strokes materials and our experiment with all these tiles after we have used them for awhile.
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