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  1. Oldest DS was accepted to a state school last December under early admission. We were excited for him and we're able to gather enough funds to pay his tuition. He wanted to live on campus, so he had to take on a small loan and do work study. It all seemed to be going well. Graduation announcements went out mentioning his plans, dorm supplies were procured, and deposits were paid. Fast forward to orientation (last week). DS didn't seem over enthused and I just attributed it to nerves. He's not one to buy college wear or learn the college song, ykwim? However, I thought he'd warm up sooner or later. Anyway, He called me during lunch to report that he may not be able to take any of his Comp Sci courses if he didn't place into Calc right away. I know I should have been on top of this. He fell into a state of dispair. I was at my mom's co do nearby, so I picked him up and researched the school's online site and found a sample schedule for students that are behind in math. He seemed relieved. He went back to orientation the next day and then we went home. On Wednesday, we went back to campus (it's 50 minutes in good traffic), and he took the math placement. Missed getting into the class by one question. I told him he could retake it in a week and not to panic. On the way out of the building, he turns to me and says, " Can I just go to community college and transfer?" So, today he applied at the local community college. Fortunately, they have transfer agreement with the college he was accepted to. It will probably add another year to his plans. Monday we will go to the college and see the registrar and formally withdrawl. I am so disappointed. I know some of it is about me, I never had the opportunity to go to a four year school and I was pretty pumped about him going. I'm trying to let it go and remind myself that this is just a bump in the road on his journey. I know there are other moms here struggling with so much more, I feel like a whiner. I just needed to vent somewhere safe.
  2. for example, if a homeschooled high school student receives an A in a community college Biology class, is that considered roughly equivalent to a 5 on an AP Biology test? I'm not asking about which is more likely to result in credit. I'm asking which is more impressive to an admissions committee at a highly selective university like MIT or Harvard.
  3. Just curious if anyone else has run into the issue of CC limiting how many dual enrollment classes your student can take in a given semester. I just submitted all the paperwork for spring semester and dd was only registered for 2 of the 4 requested classes. I sent a nicely worded email to the administrator of her program thinking it was an oversight and was told that there is a limit of 2 courses per semester. They *might* be able to authorize 3, but she would need to check with the director. (Our state waives tuition and we are responsible for books and fees). We were told that there was a limit for the first semester to see if they could maintain the required GPA, but how in the world would a student complete a 32-40 hour program taking 2 classes a semester in their Junior/Senior years? i called the state headquarters for this program and she thought 18 hours per semester was the maximum, but also said that each school can make their own rules on this aspect. How would you approach this? Our plan was for her to finish the basic 32 hours in three semesters and then have the last semester open to take extra classes that will transfer to a 4-year university. Grrrrrr ....
  4. I often read in threads that people have access to a good or bad local community college. How do you know if it's good or bad? Thanks. Ashley
  5. DD is starting dual enrollment classes this fall at a local community college. The tuition is waived but we'll need to cover books, fees and incidentals. Can we claim these under The Lifetime Learning Credit? Also, does anyone know if high school students are allowed to get a campus job through the Federal Work Study program? Thanks!
  6. Our dd is the book-type and we're looking for any good books with regards to the pros and cons of community/junior college first & then finishing up in university. For various reasons, I'm a big fan of that approach, even though that's not the path that I myself took. I took some community college classes. I think that for our children, that approach would have some benefits, yet I do realize that in the end, it's a decision that she'll have to make. Basically, any recommendations for good books on colleges, tips, the application process would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :)
  7. This is the direct link to the database http://salarysurfer.cccco.edu/SalarySurfer.aspx This is the newspaper announcement http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_23494700/community-college-payoff-new-site-reveals-earnings-california
  8. This article from Forbes may be of interest to homeschool high schoolers who are considering a two year degree. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/12/18/the-10-best-paying-jobs-for-community-college-grads/ This may help get a conversation started about career options.
  9. Does anyone have children that attend a CC over the summer and knock out a class? With my dd's first foray into public school, I'm realizing she will not have the time to devote to her academics like she used to. By this I mean the hours spent outside the house are much, much higher than ever before. For example, marching band takes about 25 hours a week. Thankfully, it's only one semester, and then she'll take concert band at a reasonable 5 hours a week. She also has choir, which is usually 5 hours a week, although in the two weeks before a concert it blooms to 15 hours. This would be fine if she were taking 6 credits, but she is taking more than that, and doesn't want to get rid of any academic classes, either. So...what about taking science at the CC during the summer? This is really the only class that would work, since her AP courses (through PA Homeschoolers) only meet during the school year. If she took, say, a semester of Chemistry at the CC during the summer, that would give her a full year's worth of high school credit, right? Or, she could take Chemistry as an evening class during the 2nd semester (next year, 2014) which would take the place of her evening marching band drills in her schedule. Basically what's happening is that she wants too many classes than will reasonably fit into her day. Is this making sense? For example, her Junior year (at this point) will look like this (her Freshman/Soph years look about the same): Math - 5 hours/week (1 credit) History - 5 hours/week (1 credit) English - 5 hours/week (1 credit) Latin - 5 hours (Lukeion) (1 credit) Phil - 3 hours/week (.5 credit) Gov't - 3 hours/week (.5 credit) AP Human Geo - 5 hours (PA Homeschoolers) - 1 credit SAT Prep/C.S. Lewis - (each for one semester) - 1 credit Band - 5 hours a week (25 during 1st semester) - 1 credit (the school gives this credit, but I'm counting the class as extra-curricular. However, it still takes the same amount of time) Choir - 5 hours a week (sometimes 15) - 1 credit (see band comment above) So....we don't want to drop anything, just fit in Science!! :tongue_smilie:
  10. My dd, 16, will be completing her first CC class (summer class) in a couple of weeks. We plan to have her continue this fall with one or two courses. At this time dd is not sure what she wants to do. She is smart, but not a great fan of school. I think a 2 year/vocational degree would be the best option right now. She in NOT interested in a medical career. I see her working in an office environment. If you have a young adult who completed a 2 year program and is now working and doing fine I would love to hear about it. Thanks.
  11. Ok I am having a huge dilema, I have been doing a lot of research lately about colleges and which might be my best choice and why. My CC has a great nursing program, one of the best in the state, although it only offers an ADN degree, it can easily transfer to a BSN. The CC is only 30 minutes away from my house and a lot of hospitals would rather see the ADN than a BSN from any other college. So I am really liking this idea, it is close to home, I don't have to live on campus, and it does not require me to have tons of AP classes that I just can't take. It is about 2-3 years to complete and there will be lots of internships and a possible job placement upon job graduation. This idea has me sold, not only am I saving tons of money, I could get a full ride, not have to be stressed out (I know there still will be stress but not as much, I can't take stress!!), and gain a very good degree in about 3 years or so. During that time I can become a certified EMT and work to help pay for anything that is not covered in tuition, and that includes gas money, etc. I love this idea, I am not one who wants to go away for college, and every time I tried to show an interest in an University, God constantly would close the door and keep pointing me back to the CC. For awhile I was very frustrated and didn't want to go to the CC because of all the naysayers who tried to deter me away from it. I know an ADN is not the best, but like I said I can easily tranfer all my credits and complete my BSN. Most hospitals in my area actually prefer the CC over anything else because it really prepares you for real life, and my parents and I might go on a tour to check it out. It is my dream to go to a CC? No it's not, but I feel God pushing me toward the CC, and then taking my skills in nursing abroad to educate third world countries about proper hygiene and giving them vacinations and things like this to help keep them healthy. It has always been my dream to do this and I would really like to do missionary trips and spread the word of God while keeping people healthy and happy. I don't think that I would be happier doing anything else, but there are so many people trying to change my mind. But my parents are super supportive and said I could stay at home and do all this if I wanted to. Any suggestions...?
  12. Hi everyone - I'm curious if you are seeing changes in the the dual enrollment/community college options in your area. It is looking like dual enrollment may be eliminated altogether in North Carolina beginning next spring. The latest information is that students in my area of NC won't have the option to take CC classes, even if we wish to pay for them. Is this happening in other areas of the country? It's such a disappointment, because CC classes have been an important part of the class "mix" for us in high school -- especially in 11th and 12th. My younger ds is a rising senior, so it won't affect him all that much. But it removes a valuable option for others who will be homeschooling in the high school years. How are CC options changing in other states/regions? Any alternate suggestions for homeschoolers who want the the transcript and transferability that local CCs offer? Thanks!
  13. What on earth am should I do about my career choice!? It seems a lot of young adults that are going to be entering college or are already in college are struggling with choosing a career. Most of them are worried about the money they will be making and what to do if they don't make enough. This is what I am very worried about, I don't have the kind of money to waste on a degree that won't be helpful to me in the long run. There are so many people coming out of school with a master's degree and they are working in fast food restuarants because no one will hire them! I am worried that this may happen to me if I choose an overly crowded field. But I don't know what I want to major in!!!! Here is my list of what I wanted to do and might be interested in still doing: I love music and I work with special needs kids already, so I thought why not combine the two and become a music therapist? Well it seems I don't have enough experience in the music field to become one. But this still isn't off my list yet, I could bring myself up to that point and still be able to major in music therapy. I like to take care of kids, (six brothers and sisters) and I thought maybe becoming a pediatric nurse would be a great idea, but I don't meet the requirements for that because I am not so good at math.:tongue_smilie: Then there is biology, I like biology a lot but what can you major in with a biology major? Photography and history are a big favorite as well, I like the American Revolution and in photography I love to capture pictures not just of people posing, but what they do and of nature. I want to do so many things that it just confuses me sometimes, I know I don't have to pick just one career, but my parents would like to pick something so that I have an idea of what I will say to the colleges I am going to be visiting soon. I don't want to just pick any old major, I want it to be something great or close to it. I would like to someday homeschool my own kids so that is something that I have to take into consideration as well. But if I have to support myself for a little bit then I also want to be able to do it. Music plays a big part of my life, so I will do something music in college if I don't major in music therapy, but I just don't know what to do. I can't afford to lose money on a degree and I won't be going to college with an undecided major. To me that just seems pointless and a waste of good money. I know I have posted before on this topic, but I added some more detail to help get to the point of why I need help. Hopefully this will work better:D. Does this make sense? Advice is greatly needed here please!!:bigear:
  14. I was wondering if going to a community college before entering a 4 year college will hurt my kids chances of getting into an elite college. What I mean by this is if they do their freshman and sophmore years at a community college, will it be more difficult (or less difficult, or the same) than if they went straight into the 4 year school as a freshman? I am talking about the 1st and 2nd tier colleges. Also, are there feeder community colleges for certain 4 year schools? If so, how would I find that information. I have read many forms of financial aid that are only for the 4 year colleges for freshman years. I assume that going to a community college for the first two years would exclude them from these kinds of financial aid packages. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Hot Lava Mama
  15. Sorry - this is long and it contains lots of information all mushed together. My son has two more years of high school left. We are slowly working our way through Blitzer Precalc and Dolciani Algebra 2 this year and are working on our second year of very loosely structured natural history for science. The year before that we did a very little chemistry (very little). The year before that, he followed along with his older brother and me when we did Conceptual Physics. Last fall, he took drawing and speech at the community college, just to get him used to being in a classroom. He is headed for engineering school, hopefully, when he goes off to four-year college. It looks like he is going to do fairly well on the SATs, not spectacularly well, but not too badly either. So - from now on out, he is going to take his math and science (and anything else he wants) at the community college. We are not worried about whether the classes he takes transfer to his 4-year college. We have already decided that we are not going to try to have him do the 2-year transfer program. He is brightish, but I am not sure he is so bright that he can successfully go to engineering school a year or two early. We are having him take the community college classes because: -We want him to have more classroom experience before engineering school. -I don't feel confident teaching calculus, physics, and chemistry to a future engineering student. (I've had them but I don't remember them and I'm not a very good teacher.) -We want the classes for college entrance purposes. The question is - which science and math do I sign him up for? He has almost no experience with textbook science. He has done very little formal physics and chemistry and that was years ago. He will have finished the sections of Blitzer that the CC covers for pre-calculus, but his retention is horrible. If he gets bad grades, it will severely hamper his ability to get into college because I don't give grades and colleges will have only this and his SAT scores by which to judge him. I seem to remember some people here saying that students who try to take engineering classes at CC and then continue on with their sequals at a polytech or university flounder badly and quit. We are not sure we want him to start his engineering science and math higher up in the sequence. It might be better to start with his classmates and have things be less hard while he is adjusting to college. We are hoping he goes somewhere interesting, in other words, not the easiest of engineering schools. He is likely to struggle even if he starts with the beginning classes. I also remember some people here saying their students restarted the math sequence once their student began at CC. On the other hand, that seems a bit extreme, considering my son will be 17 and 18 for those two years and is fairly good at math. (Any math problems are probably my bad teaching and a naturally bad memory.) Backing up in math would require doing Intermediate Algebra, Precalc 1, Precalc 2, and then our CC's three semester calculus sequence. We have heard that it is not a bad idea to take some of those huge lecture classes at community college instead, where the classes are smaller. Ours has transfer agreements with our state university and various other univerisities. It has an engineering transfer program and a nursing program. If some of the classes did transfer, it might let him take some cool other electives. I don't want him to be so bored that he gives up, either, or doesn't study and flunks. Do we sign him up for introductory chem 1+2? This is the one my other son took. It assumes no previous experience in chemistry. Do we sign him up for general chemistry, the one that might transfer to engineering school? Where do we put him in math? I have no faith at all in the placement test. It put both my children, the non-mathy tests badly one and the mathy tests well one, higher than the amount of math they had studied. Does anybody have any thoughts about this? Or any suggestions for finding out more information so I have a better chance of getting this right? I am in a total panic about this. -Nan
  16. My oldest ds has taken two classes at the local CC and gotten As in both. He knows how to take a class and do well. Here's what happened this semester. He's in macroeconomics. I majored in econ, so I thought I could help him with it. The course has a text, but the first day in class, the prof said that they wouldn't be using it. He has as a "text/booklet," that is the prof's overhead projector slides. These are in note/outline format without an explanation of anything. So, my son understands what is said in class, takes notes, and then needs it reinforced after class and there's no way to do that. There is no syllabus for the class. I went through the notes and I don't get them or what he's trying to teach on most of them. He's going into the stock market in GREAT detail. This does not follow the course description at all. He went to the prof, but he wasn't very helpful. My ds said that he (ds) didn't even quite know where to begin because he was just so lost. This is causing my son a GREAT deal of distress. He's not doing well with his other classes here at home because he's so stressed over this class. He spent over 15 hours last week trying to look things up on line to figure it all out. The way I see it, I'll have to re-teach him econ here at home. And, one of the reasons we homeschool is so that we can most efficiently get him the information he needs. This is NOT efficient!! Can I just let him drop this class? I mean, I can see making him stick it out and work hard and all. But, at what cost?
  17. completely at home? A friend with middle and high school aged children recently asked me this. She is feeling pressured to put them into outside classes because so many people are doing it, but her desire is to continue to teach them solely at home. Her question to me was does anyone actually still do all the schooling at home? She also wonders, are they then able to get into college? Interested to hear responses. TIA Shannon ETA: She was told by her curriculum supplier that it is getting harder and harder to get kids into college unless they have some outside verification that they are good college material.
  18. Got this email yesterday. We have a son doing CC classes now so I'm not bashing them at all or questioning anyone who does. I'm just looking for some thoughts from other homeschoolers as I think through this. She brings up some valid points, especially considering many of us have our young teenagers enrolled in CC classes. On the other hand, I really want to ignore this because I'd finally settled in on the idea of doing dual-enrollment. I will say from our personal experience, I can see how some of these things have occurred. In a 'Study Skills' my son took through the CC, there was an entire section in the book devoted to sex ed/birth control issues. I can also see how, in an effort to engage students, they'd use these sexual examples listed in the article. I'd love to hear thoughts from some of you about it. These are difficult things to think through and I'd appreciate hearing what you guys think. September 2010 by Lee Binz The HomeScholar Arm Yourself with Knowledge When I speak to groups, I sometimes express my dissatisfaction with dual enrollment in community college. Extremely popular with homeschoolers, I often get asked why I am hesitant about such programs and the current trend. “Rated R” Environment In my own experience, and in talking with other parents, I have determined that community college is a “Rated R” environment. With careful control or the curriculum and selection of the teachers, it is still an “adult” situation. Professors at these schools have told me that they use the “sex sells” approach. In a high school, although there are many issues, there are generally limits to the use of inappropriate material to sell their educational product. There are no such limits in a community college. Community colleges are meant to be an adult environment. They cater to the broad expanse of adults, not the unique subset of homeschool young adults who don’t want to mix education with unrelated material. Community college will provide the socialization you normally see in a public high school. Because they are public institutions, community colleges come complete with all the “public school” worldview and academics - which is often the reason many homeschoolers avoid public school in the first place. I know that I have a very unique perspective on community college, and I don’t think for a minute that my view is right and others are wrong. Community college is a current fad in homeschooling, and my job is to provide information. I want to provide both sides of the full story so that parents can make a wise choice based on what they know about their own children. Armed with this knowledge you can avoid the lemming mentality, and make choices with your eyes wide open. Parents are the best people to make these choices, and my job is to open the discussion. I see parents feeling pressured to put their children into dual enrollment in high school. I’m trying to remove that pressure, so that people can make judgments based on their understanding of the situation, and not do it just because other people are doing it. Our Community College Stories My children attended community college for one year, during their last year before the university. These are our experience with a local community college. The student bookstore sold pornographic magazines next to the engineering textbooks. The calculus professor dropped the f-bomb in every sentence. We were able to choose a professor that was a homeschool graduate. He even came to our own graduation celebration, and he wrote a fabulous letter of recommendation for my children. The physics professor used marital positions to describe physics principles. As luck would have it, we were assigned to a different professor. In the Music Improvisation class the books said, “I capitalize the word ‘Self’ because I was taught to capitalize the name of God, and only God can create music.” The class included a mantra each day, “I am Good, I am Great, I am God.” We declined to take that class. The French teacher showed movies with unclothed people to demonstrate the culture. The speech teacher and the curriculum were great, but one of the other students did a speech on the religion of sex that was eye-opening. The Political Science class was taught by a self-proclaimed Marxist. My students were well prepared for college. Within the first 2 weeks of community college, they had done all the reading and completed all the assignments they could. They spent the remaining 6 weeks learning how to do nothing and get A’s without trying. We couldn’t find many classes that would challenge my sons and at the same time not offend our faith. My political science aficionado ended up taking only engineering science and math classes. I’m certainly glad he was able to tolerate differential equations! On the bright side, the community college did have an honors program. With additional coursework you could get “honors” with each course. That seemed to help the academic level slightly, but it still did not bring it up to the difficulty level of our homeschool. We noticed that for the first time, my children encountered people who didn’t want to learn. Some students felt that a 0.7 GPA was a passing grade and that receiving a 2.0 in a class was “good.” Many students didn’t show up for class, or didn’t participate in classroom discussion even when they knew the answer. I go to a lot of college fairs. One community college representative took me aside and said, “Please tell homeschoolers not to send their children to community college! We have adjudicated people in the classes!” She said that felons, and registered offenders were known to be on campus, and she worried about innocent homeschoolers. . I’m sure the criminal element is relatively rare (although how would we know?) but the point is still important. Stories from Jen My friend Jen in Texas has given me permission to use her story about community college. Her daughter took an art class. She wrote to me: My daughter just started attending the local community college this week. Already she has an assignment from her Art Appreciation professor that has me wondering what colleges are teaching these days. *rolling eyes* A piece of paper was passed around the class with a list of two items to compare. They were to choose one set and are to write a paper. My daughter saw the word “chapel” and picked it, although she didn’t know what the other word was. We now know that it’s a series of “art” (cough-cough) films called the “Cremaster Cycle.” She and I have seen the trailer, and both of us have found it to be offensive. The artist based his work on a specific muscle of the male anatomy, and the whole movie is bizarre representations of the reproductive systems. Plus, there are some gruesome death scenes too. We saw all this during just the 5 minute trailer! She’s said that she’s going to talk with her professor about picking a different group to compare. I pray that the teacher is understanding and won’t give my daughter a hard time. I know that “art” is subjective, but SHEESH! ~ Jen in Texas Jen was extremely surprised that this could happen at a community college in her area, because they live in the middle an area that is very much the conservative Bible-belt region. continued next post--too large for one
  19. Here is the link. The CCs in my neck of the woods do not offer any honors courses, so I feel that the programs discussed in the article are not widely available. But they may be a cost saver for some.
  20. I have been re-thinking my goals for my dd, now that we are getting ready to start having her take CC classes. I have been a 4yr-degree snob, I think. But now I'm wondering if a nice 2 yr degree in something marketable (probably medical) is a better option for a dd who will (God willing) probably marry soon after. I want them well-educated to raise their dc well, but most of what I have learned has been out of college. Couldn't they just continue learning the Great Books and such at home with us even while they are finishing CC and working? The only cons I can think of are that (1.) they would miss out on the chance to learn from a great professor here or there, and (2.) we sort of (ahem) looked at a good college as a great way for them to have more options for husbands. Has anyone else been down this thought process? Any thoughts?
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