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  1. Hi, I'm new here. Right now I'm looking for a Spanish language arts curriculum or guide for 2nd grade. It is as a first language, English is our second language. I can't believe it's so hard to find something good! Is anyone in the same situation? Thanks!
  2. I'm working my way through TWTM to make a plan for my oldest next year. I've only made it through about 15% of the book, and I've run into a conundrum. I'm overwhelmed with the Ancients and how to divide that time period into manageable units/chunks to ensure that we get through all the material, but not at a pace that's so grueling that we burn out after the first few weeks. My mind starts swimming when I see all the suggested resources for the Ancients. How do y'all divide up the reading/history material for your 1st year classically educating? Will it get easier over time? I do really well with an outline/time frame, but creating one from the start (even given the resources) is difficult for me. Any advice?
  3. I am in a unique situation. Either in December or in the beginning of the year we will be placing our four children, grades k-7th in a traditional Christian school. I have been homeschooling since the beginning, mostly following the Classical Conversations track along with a smattering of Sonlight, Tapestry of Grace and Veritas Press online courses and their self-paced Omnibus course. Most of these curriculums use living books. My kids have Memory Mastered multiple times and my 7th grader is really doing well this year in Challenge A. Since we have been following a CC model it will be a huge pedagogical switch for me to place my kids in a school that is very traditional in curriculum and methodology. The curriculum they are using mostly is Bob Jones and Abeka for Science and history. What I want to know is multi-facted: 1) How did your kids adjust to a pedagogical difference in teaching? 2) Has anyone afterschooled with Classical Conversations, on all three levels, Foundations, Essentials and Challenge? If so, how did you schedule your afterschooling days? 3) Are there things I should be aware of in regards to the curriculum? I am excited for my kids and the path the Lord has provided for them in regards to being able to go to a quality school. However, I love the CC model and what the classical model of education is all about. I have known for a while that we would follow the model of the trivium that classical education lays out. I am mostly concerned with my oldest who is entering the dialectic stage and will have no one who has been studying like he has been. I have previewed some of their curriculum and I find it lacking in some ways, but in other ways I can see how it will only enhance what we have all ready have done. I would love some insight here of those of you who have gone before. Thanks!
  4. http://vereloqui.blo...elites-are.html Above is a link to an article that stresses an interesting reason for teaching grammar. Lots of Christian content, so beware if you are opposed to reading any. Whaddya say? I, for one, am so glad that me and my kids have studied grammar so intensively!
  5. Just wanted to post this link in case you, like I, have been eagerly awaiting this deal at the Homeschoolbuyers Co-op. Ashley https://www.homeschoolbuyersco-op.org/classical-historian/?source=68681
  6. Ok, my husband and I are going to go to a Classical Christian school in our area to interview. I would LOVE for my husband to listen to at least a GOOD logical introduction to classical christian education (explaining the trivium etc.). I would prefer to find an mp3 to let him listen to on his way to and from work. Any Suggestions? :)
  7. My family just moved to Iowa in April of this year. I am homeschooling my oldest son, 1st grade, using the Well Trained Mind as my guide. I do not have to report to the state this year, because he is still under the mandatory age. I am looking for advice on which option to choose for reporting- supervising teacher, standardized tests, or portfolio. I am wondering if there is anyone who homeschooling using the classical education model in Iowa who could give me some counsel.
  8. Could someone please tell me why it's important to read about Greek stories by Homer, The Illiad, the Odyssey and the like? My dd and I tried getting through A Children's Homer and it was not pretty. We couldn't keep track of who was who and who was related to whom, etc. So a friend suggested trying The Trojan War by Olivia Coolidge. I must say it's better (clearer) than A Children's Homer but we still find it somewhat tedious and not exciting (still trying to remember who is whom but I appreciate the pronunciation guide of sorts in the back with a brief blurb of who is who). But really, could you explain to me why this is important? Would we be permanently messed up if we don't actually make it through the book? Does it lay the foundation for something yet to come or do people just enjoy these stories?
  9. I know this is going to be controversial, but we are just starting in on serious college planning and AP's, etc... and I find I'm asking myself, "What on earth happen to our classical education?" Ds is finishing up his first AP class (Engl Lang & Comp). It has been a demanding class, but I figured that is good for a teen boy. Then I picked up a test prep book for him, and I can't believe the ridiculous questions in it. This represents everything I hated about school. I have taught literature, lit analysis and grammar for years, but you wouldn't know it from from my brief tour through the practice test. I can't believe we call this education. I am having serious second thoughts about the AP's I had planned for next year (US & Comp Government). So, is a classical education no longer good enough? Are we trading wisdom and understanding for useless trivia and a slot at a "selective college"? Or is this a necessary evil? What is the point of homeschooling and education in the first place? What are you thoughts? My brain is fried from going back and forth! :rant:
  10. I'm actually reading this book; but found it posted online as well in it's entirety. Sharing. This is really good stuff if you like to study the framework of what is viewed as organization of a classical education and it's parts. http://www.greenleaf.edu/pdf/randall_hart.pdf Enjoy that, it's really good. :001_smile:
  11. Hi, It looks like we will be moving to the Dallas/Richardson/Garland area of Texas shortly and I would love to know if there are any classical education or classical conversation groups that meet up in those areas? Also wouldn't mind if anyone had suggestions for a great pediatrician's office there. The one we use where we are now is SUPER - the doctor does not hassle me about doing vaccines on my own schedule (I am not anti vaccine but I research the vaccines I have my children get and decide whether I think they should have the vaccine right then AND I also decide when they will get them as we have some medical/severe reactions to certain meds in our family so I prefer not to have them get five things at once if they have never had any of those before. Harder to distinguish which they might be reacting to if they have a reaction to one of the five or six they get, etc.). I also love that our office here has a 24 hour line where you can reach a nurse on call, and they have a Saturday clinic. They are wonderful and I would love to find something similar in the Dallas, Richardson, Garland area. Thanks! :)
  12. The thread yesterday on who is a "pure" WTM user got me wondering what different people think of as the essential elements of a classical education. What do you consider to be essential?
  13. Anyone familiar with this program? Is anyone going to try it this next school year? Looks like Classical Conversations geared for Catholics..... http://catholicschoolhouse.blogspot.com/p/academics.html
  14. ‎"In those days a boy on the classical education side officially did almost nothing but classics. I think this was wise; the greatest service we can do to education today is to teach fewer subjects. No one has time to do more than a very few things well before he is twenty, and when we force a boy to be a mediocrity in a dozen subjects we destroy his standards, perhaps for life". ~C.S. Lewis in Surprised by Joy (autobiography of the first half of his life - includes his conversion story) Memoria Press posted this on Facebook and I couldn't help but share it! That's also a great book. I love all his stuff.
  15. Not sure whether you saw this article from the NY Times, A Classical Education: Back to the Future:)
  16. Life would be so much easier if my sister hsed her kids (and used the classical approach). Not only do her kids attend ps, but she is currently getting her degree in education. Soooooo, although she has never said it outright, she believes the classical approach is... dated. She's always telling me about all the new technology in the ps (her kids' elementary classrooms have smart boards now- whatever that is). Her son does powerpoint presentations and creates web pages, etc. She laughs at copywork and dictation. She practically gasped when she found out they didn't have journals. Diagramming?! No one does diagramming anymore, etc. Latin?! are you serious? (her kids' ps is teaching Chinese this year!) Phonics!!!??? You can't teach reading with just phonics! I believe in a classical education. Really, I do. But, I can't help questioning whether or not it's a good idea to put all my eggs in the classical basket. Please remind me that a classical education is a solid one and that he won't have a dated education when he gets to college!
  17. Hello! I will be moving into the San Jose, California, area soon and I would like some recommendations for schools, charter schools, homeschool groups, etc. that educate in the classical method or are sympathetic to classical education. My son is currently in Kindergarten in public school and, because of the work I've done at home with him, he is one to two grade levels above all his peers. This causes him to get bored in class. He needs the social interaction with other kids but he needs either a school that challenges him or else i need a support group to help me home educate him. And I would prefer to educate him in the classical method. Any leads for schools, charters, co-ops, etc near San Jose would be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you!! -Greenmom
  18. When I first started visiting TWTM forums however many years ago I was at once impressed by the dedication of moms to the classical homeschooling method and academic rigor. When I felt a little puny, I could come to the boards and find new strength to provide my kids with my best effort. Now I come to the boards and the rigorous homeschoolers are either quieter or seem to be a minority. If a kid doesn't like math, then many simply suggest we switch to an easier program. If a kid doesn't like reading, pop books are okay... the classics are not for everybody, and don't bother reading them yourself because it's just not necessary. History phobia? Pick a prepackaged curriculum that doesn't demand much. We are granted permission not to teach basic science requirements if we know(?) our children won't "need" them, granted permission to do bare minimum on extracurriculars and count them as full credits, and granted permission to take the day or week or even month off if we're having a bad time of it. After all, we've heard that public schoolers aren't covering all that much, so why try harder? It is my experience that we don't really need much encouragement to do less than is required for a well-educated, (and even more, a well-trained) student. What I really need is a kick in the pants to get off the computer and sit down with my sons and teach them -- and myself -- to know, or at least appreciate, as much about history, and math, and science, and literature (and logic, and rhetoric, and the arts) as possible, and not to scrape by on minimum requirements for any test or college requirement, and to overcome any phobia I or my kids have of any subject by treating the fear as a simple misunderstanding that can be overcome. I'm glad there's a big crowd here. I've learned from so many of you and I do like it here. I only lament that this isn't a classical education board anymore, and people will ask basic questions about scope and sequence that could be so easily answered by a cursory reading of our hostess' own book, which is the namesake of this forum. It seems to me, but maybe I'm mistaken, that we owe her at least that much. I know every family is different, and we are obviously supposed to tailor the book's suggestions to our own style, but the whole spirit of the system seems to have left. Or so it seems to me. In my opinion. I'm trying my best, and I do think the classical method is superior. I sometimes find myself wishing there was a support forum for classical homeschoolers who follow The Well-Trained Mind, at least in part. I don't want excellence measured in modern public school terms. I want to be surprised at how much my kids and I can learn together. I need a push to go farther than the minimum. I know that this will come across as such a criticism, and that people will take offense. I do apologize if anyone is offended... it is not meant as anything personal and I don't have anyone particular in mind.
  19. I'm fairly new to WTM, and these boards. I like it, but I'm still wondering if classical education is "my thing" or not ... and in fact, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is. Sometimes it helps, in understanding something, to say what it is not. For example, eating Twinkles and chocolate milk for breakfast every day is an example of not having a healthy diet. Can anyone give me examples of what would clearly not be a classical education? The more specific, the better. And then, it you could flip it around to show the "classical version" of the same subject, even better. Thanks Jenny http://beanmommyandthethreebeans.blogspot.com/
  20. :D Will you answer some questions for me? I am struggling . . . . A LOT . . . . with figuring out our *path*. Yes, my kids are young BUT I know that every year counts. We only have so many! Here are my questions with a little *context* provided: Context: Omni and TOG (D & R levels) have always appealed to me and to DH. They seem rigorous, challenging, "over-the-top". But, when I REALLY sit down and read about the books used I *freak out*. As cool as it sounds, a GB education is TERRIFYING and so outside the box for me (for most of us, right?). 1). If you are using Omnibus or have used it do/did your children like it? Is it as dry/boring/awful as it seems? :D I DO like the discussion questions that I have seen but the book selections are intimidating at the 7th grade level! Is there FUN with it? 2) What would you do if you arrived at Omni or TOG D/R level and your kids were a) not ready b) didn't want it c) fought you tooth/nail over something that rigorous d) hated the reading? 3) Can someone remind me (or perhaps educate me b/c I'm uncertain) WHY a logic stage/rhetoric stage education demands the GBs? I am completely inexperienced :D BUT I wonder why something less *over the top* with GBs wouldn't be more than enough? Something like MFW which does give the kids *some* exposure to important literature (Iliad, Odyssey, not sure what else) but seems fairly well rounded with all subjects. . . 4) Do you struggle with FEAR that by not putting something *big* like Omni or TOG upper levels on your goal list that you would be short changing your kiddos? HOW do you put this in perspective? 5) Is there an alternative to these plans that would be challenging, thorough but more *fun*? I am a Mom to young kids so I can't think past the age of what appeals to a 7.5 yo. :tongue_smilie:However, I look over and over at the list of books for Omni and just get nervous. If I, a 37 yo woman who LOVES to read and LOVES challenge and LOVES learning, don't really WANT to read those books can I expect that of my children? Will asking this of them give them a thirst for this kind of learning? 6) If you use Omnibus now or are planning to, have you used or are you planning to use VP's 5 year cycle? I rec'd a wonderful opp'ty to use Scholars for nearly nothing (for OT/AE) but I'm realizing how history focused the program is. Is this too much history at these young ages? It SEEMS like *so much more* to do than SOTW and I'm concerned about being spread thin with it. Is it overkill? ** Quite honestly, I am at a place of *paralysis*. Needing time to think, pray, read (over the things I've purchased used to look at). These questions have been burning inside for awhile though. I've NOT wanted to confess that I'm intimidated by these programs and concerned about asking them of my children. Using something like MFW or WP or LBC or BF sound like SO MUCH MORE FUN while still yielding sound results. I am inexperienced though and have been humbled NUMEROUS times because of it. Driving myself crazy :auto: .
  21. My "ideal" educated child would look like the educated Thomas Jeffersons and George Washingtons. People who started this country knew how to think and reason in their early 20's. They seemed to be able to handle large responsiblities at early ages. The stuff people read back then for general reading was so deep, we have trouble reading it today. I heard about a town in the late 1700's where they used to "draw straws" to pick the next leaders. Everyone was considered to be well educated and able to think well enough to lead well. So, the question is - how do we educate our children when our standard is that high? My husband and I - though college educated never even acheived that type of education and now just don't have the energy as we plop into bed after the kids go to bed. So, how does one go about this? Do we move to the middle of nowhere away from society and only have certain books available to read:001_huh: (lol)? Can this even be done in our society anymore? Beth
  22. Classical Liberal Arts Academy Before you click off and say: it's religious (Catholic), just look around and read. For the beginning scroll and pick from here: http://www.classicalliberalarts.com/resources/index.htm If you have seen it or enrolled your kids in any classes, please let me know, what you think...
  23. I am super new to homeschooling. In fact, I haven't even started yet. We will probably start in one month. I own TWTM and do like very much what I read in it, so I think this is the route we will take. However, I would like to hear from WTM veterans. Now that TWTM has been in circulation for 10 years, I would love to hear your success stories. Who has used it since it first came out? Who has graduated their children using it for a good number of their homeschooling years? Any other success stories? Please share.
  24. No rotten tomatoes! I am merely trying to understand why it appeals to people. I have read TWTM. I am NOT bashing it.:001_huh:
  25. I just re-read (for the 3rd time) the 17 page long HS thread about where have all the rigorous/classical WTM'rs gone (from last year or so). Thank you, thank you ladies for bringing it back to my attention! It really inspired me. Honestly, I need more stringency right now... I am noticing some laziness accompanied by slick justification (in me, not my dc). LCC is so good for us and I am sold on it, but honestly there are days when it sits on the shelf next to WTM and I find myself putting off the next Latin for tomorrow, waiting until winter to start that book (that we should have began last month), etc. etc. It is true that I have reasons for this, but also true that I could do better. There was another thread that talked about this, but I can't find it. It talked about not excusing our lack of work, about keeping the bar high. Perhaps it was this summer? Or in a thread this summer someone linked to it? If you know, or remember another thread that had similar encouragement, do list it here, pretty please? I am intending to home school through high school, and we won't make the goals I think we can unless we *work* at it. Where is a smiley that is getting a good, swift, kick in the behind?
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