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  1. Omnibus -v- Challenge (Classical Conversations) I'm wanting opinions from people familiar with Omnibus and CC. I am really interested in how you like either one. I know that CC doesn't have a concentrated history part, although there's room at the end and during Christmas, I guess. Right now, we have one level of CC and I'm considering whether it's better to focus on getting other CC levels or someone to find someone to teach the Omnibus. I really want my daughter to be in a "group" situation once a week and then do the work on the other days..... Thanks for any opinions!
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  3. We have decided to leave Classical Conversations and go back to homeschooling on our own this next school year. My son is 11, going in to 6th grade and has completed one year of the CC Essentials program. We actively participated and he did well for the most part, however the rush of the program stresses both of us. I am looking to use Rod & Staff English but having a hard time figuring out which book to choose. Do I choose book 4, 5 or 6 after using CC's Essentials of the English Language? Can anyone here help me?
  4. I have a child that will be entering Challenge A in the fall of 2018. It's new to our campus, so all uncharted territory. I have some questions, but would like to ask them anonymously (hence, why I'm asking here, instead of my CC group). 1- I have read online that some families choose to opt out of Latin. If we choose to do this, how exactly do you opt out? For example, if your Challenge A student is on campus one day a week from 9:00-3:30, how do they omit one subject? I can see how this would be possible if Latin was offered at the very end of the day, then you could just pick your child up early. Which brings me to my next question..... 2- For those who have had a child in Challenge A, or tutored.....what is the 9:00-3:30 on "class day" schedule in your area? I'm hoping someone can give me a break down of how time is spent during that one day a week students spend with their tutor. Thank for your time!!!!
  5. I need to rant a bit here. Maybe you can help me process?? We jumped back in to Classical Conversations almost a year ago (week 12 of cycle 2) and joined a new group that started in my home town this school year for cycle 3. The Foundations program that I loved so much last year seems to me to be lacking in depth of information this year. I feel as if I need to add more depth to the memory work for my 5th grader but with the load that we are taking on with Essentials, where does one find the time? Also, my husband was looking through the EEL work we have been doing and thinks that the workload is absolutely ridiculous, especially for a 5th grade boy. IEW seems to be a good program for writing and the math drill seems that it is good but I just don't know how much more of this speeding through like a freight train I can take! It's only week 5! I am not sure we will continue with CC next year but we may have no other choice due to a lack of co-op options/homeschool support groups that are academically rich for my son's age. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you solve it? I know that the program is to prepare for the Challenge program but to be honest I'm not sure I agree or am sold on their philosophy. CC states that their Challenge students graduate with higher scores (insinuating that others don't) however my oldest son is now a junior in college and did not have a CC/Classical education and is doing well at his private college. I feel as if I'm in between a rock and a hard place. What does one do when feeling this way???
  6. I am having THE hardest time finding anything about this online, so I'm asking here. Does anyone have information about whether or not Classical Conversations directors in Missouri are being investigated (by the state labor board) for misclassifying their tutors as independent contractors when they should have been employees? I have only heard this about CC directors in MO. I do not know if it's true - but given the Landry crisis, I'm very concerned. Does anyone have real info on this?
  7. I've read through a ton of posts on Classical Conversations, all of which have been good and bad reviews. However, I'm not looking for a review as much as I'm looking for someone to help with a little perspective. We've had experience with CC for the past three years. Every year I'm torn between sticking with the program or completely flushing it. This year, we're sitting out because of an out of state move. We also have a great classical academy at our church that is cheaper and similar in nature but not the exact same material. I want to keep all my material for CC but honestly, I'm having a hard time fitting it all into the schedule plus what we're getting at the academy and the everyday priorities e.g. reading, math, spelling, english..... I almost have a guilty feeling for not using it but stop myself from pulling the plug completely. Anyone in the same position or have been in the same position? Should I let it all go or determine to find a spot for it in our day?
  8. My dd has completed CC Challenge A & B and will be a 9th grader next year. I always thought that she would be in the Challenge program for high school, but I'm rethinking this decision after our year of challenge B. She is a year ahead in Latin and Math. I also want her to take biology instead of physical science next year. So, she would be working on her own at a different level for 3 out of the 6 strands. My questions: Has anyone else stuck with challenge even though you are working ahead in some of the areas? If you left CC, what did you use for History/Literature? Do you regret leaving?
  9. How much is the tutoring discount or is it specific to the group? Also is it $400 each child at every campus? Is the nursery less? So confused.
  10. I have a 15 1/2 year old. We don't have "formal diagnosis", but I know most of what we're dealing with. Some dyslexia. She can read, but still skips words (tracking issues I know), flip flops letters and spelling sounds. Her processing is VERY slow whether it's in conversation or a math problem. Higher level thinking skills are a struggle. She doesn't articulate thoughts and feelings real well either. This year, we enrolled in Essentials with a new CC group. In my mind, it would be great for solidifying grammar, the math drills should help her "speed up" on basic operations (she is doing Algebra as a repeat this year), and while I'm not a huge fan of IEW, certainly that will be a good thing. Here's my dilemma: I may be interested in pursuing CC next year. At her current age, I can hold her back one year and call her 9th grade this year. That would give us 3 years to work in CC. We sat in on a Challenge 1 group last week. We liked it, but it would be pretty difficult for her to go in next year working at that level. I could go ahead & introduce Latin this year, and try it. I could also look at starting her in Challenge A or B. To do that, would mean doing some outside work in other subject areas, just to have her able to graduate at 19 1/2. CC is pretty intense. Would an additional workload on top of CC A or B, ultimately be too much? Have any of you with struggling learners attempted jumping into CC this late in the game? Just trying to find any input as to how this program works for you. This is my youngest daughter, and the last one to be homeschooled (the next one up will graduate this spring). I would appreciate any advice or input.
  11. We purchased our Classical Conversations material about two years ago and then had to postpone home schooling till now. I see that CC is now using Edition 4 materials and I have a copy of a listing of how the 4th edition timeline is different than the 3rd edition. I am wondering what materials I might need to replace with the 4th Edition copies. I appreciate any tips you can offer! Debbie
  12. I have been working on Classical conversations memory work at home with the kids. I'm curious though about how other or communities memorize the dates of the timeline. This is separate from the history sentences. I know that in the time line song they have the occasional "3,000 BC or 2,000 BC" but does anyone do anything with more detail? do memory masters? Any info on this would help me for my plan of what is doable, thanks!
  13. Ok. First class of Challenge 2 completed. They had/willl have a video of How Then Shall We Live each class as well as chapter readings. I have read the first few chapters and it is full of the author's unsubstantiated opinion and is very derogatory to Roman and Eastern Orthodox Catholics, as well as other Christians who do not follow Mr. Schaeffer's views. Many historical references are incorrect. We started doing a fallacy study of the text, but I wonder if she should even be there. She enjoys the people and taking a homeschool class where most of the people actually do the work and are begining some critical thinking. A few of her classmates were also noting the historical inaccuracies, and t's not as if she is being treated unkindly by them. Why aren't they just studying the art itself and styles rather than read some agenda driven synopsis about what someone else thinks? That part doesn't seem very classical to me. I can have her opt out of the reading, but feel it is probably better to read it together. Not sure how to pre watch the videos. What would you do?
  14. I've spent the last two days researching here and got a LOT of my questions answered. This forum is a goldmine!!! However, now I have all new questions after all the reading I've done ;) Please bear with me if any of this is redundant or has already been covered and I missed the thread! Feel free to link and redirect me to any threads your think would help :) My questions are: VERITAS: I've read a lot about how Omnibus is more GB with a little bit of history and I personally would prefer the subjects to be more equal. For those of you with Omnibus experience, does the program allow room to add more history on my own? Would I be doing WAY too much and overloading my student if I did that? Any suggestions on how I could add more history to Omnibus? I just love the self-paced samples of Omnibus on their site and I can't seem to write them off just yet since I really like everything else about it. TOG: Would I be better off just to go with TOG for the rhetoric stage? It seems (from what I've read here) that it's more balanced on history/GBs than Omnibus. However, TOG seems like a beast of a curriculum and I can't make heads or tails of the free samples online :/ Would someone ease my mind that I can teach and lead my kids in great dialectic conversations through our history studies and literary analyses without a formal "teacher/tutor" as would be offered through VPs self-paced Omnibus? CC Challenge: After being in CC for 4 years, and listening to the Challenge push every summer at Practicum, I was still not convinced or sold on the program for our family. I drank the Kool-Aid the first 2 years but thankfully I woke up to other options and researched classical education outside of what CC/Leigh teaches. The only thing I liked about Challenge was the opportunity for my dc to have peers that are reading and studying the same things, and the ability to have those priceless dialectic discussions with their peers. I also liked the ease of doing mock trials and debates through the program. HOWEVER, and that's a BIG however! After seeing so much in the last 4 years, the company (not my local community which is lovely!) has left a very bad taste in my mouth. Their politics, their choke-hold on local directors, the inconsistency throughout the administration, intimidation tactics, and hypocrisy in their dealings with local communities is incredibly disappointing. But still, what are the other options? Where else can my dc have dialectic discussions about the GBs they'll be reading, history they'll be analyzing, and all of the wonderful topics that come with the Rhetoric stage? Do I ask grandparents, aunts and cousins to read the same books so they have someone else to discuss ideas with besides mom and dad? lol! Please, tell me there are options outside of Challenge?! :) Then also, how do you tackle Mock Trial on your own? Speech and debate? That was way to long but alas, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the above. Is TOG my answer and I'm just in denial? ;) Self-paced Omnibus just looks so neatly packaged! And I don't want my kids to miss out on the conversations that Challenge allows for... your thoughts please?!
  15. Hello WTM Friends! I'm curious for those of you who are a part of Classical Conversations and have kiddos in Foundations - do you use a Grammar curriculum in addition to the core memory work? After attending a CC Practicum this year, my dear friend was led to believe she has fallen behind by not including a Grammar curriculum in addition to her core CC memory work and phonics curriculum. She has 2 kids in Foundations. Her oldest is about to enter 3rd grade. We both are about to start our 3rd year with CC and were always under the impression that at this age, we really only need to teach Math and Phonics in addition to the Core Memory Work. Did she and I miss the boat on this somehow? If we do not include a Grammar curriculum in our weekly routine, will we be ill prepared for Essentials? Thanks so much for you help and input!
  16. I am interested in picking the brains of CC Directors with regard to the CC business model. My understanding is that when you are an independent contractor, the benefit is that you are your own boss. What freedoms does the CC Director have? The way that it is set up now, it seems that the ICs do not have much freedom, get no benefits or protections from being an employee (i.e. employers are restricted from asking their employees to volunteer), and retain all of the liability of self-employed individuals. What is the upside then for being an independent contractor? There seems to be a lot of upsides for CC since they retain control, don't need to provide benefits or be accountable to labor laws, and the Director has full liability. What is the upside for the Director? Can someone who is a Director tell me what I am not getting?
  17. How do you use Classical Conversations...the Foundations level? Do you treat it just as memory work and do all of your other curricula independent of it? Or do you try to match it up so that what you're doing in CC syncs with what you're learning throughout the week? In CC this coming year we will be covering American History for our history memory work and Anatomy for our science memory work. But the core curriculum I want to use outside of CC will cover World History/Ancients (for history) and Earth Science and Space (for science). Do you have experience with doing things this way and did you have any problems? Is it too confusing for the kids? Thanks in advance for any comments/input!
  18. We just moved to TN and have a CC community in our area, which is great! I have so much CC stuff (the foundations guide, timeline cards, laminated flash cards, maps etc.) left over from when we did CC a couple of years ago and I tutored. I'm at a fork in the road now. Do we do CC or not? Since I have so much stuff for it, it seems senseless to not do it even though I know there are a couple of items I would have to pick up for this year's cycle. I'm worried about the money ($1400 plus the cost of the nursery for the little for one year!) I can't tutor this year because we have a baby due at the end of the year. Is it worth the cost in the long run? We already have basic English, phonics, reading, math, writing, geography, and science planned out for next year. A latin program I would love to pick up and throwing CC in the mix seems like overkill. Any thoughts? Encouragement? Ideas? Thanks in advance :) P.S. Kids are 8, 7, 5, 1, and one on the way.
  19. Hey, just jumping up to the high school board. A little scary. :001_smile: (Haven't figured out avators and signature lines yet. ) Anyway, we've been doing MP Latina Christiana II and will move on to FF II after that....but I have a son (currently 5th) who is not crazy about grammar or language study in general, so Latin is his least favorite subject, with grammar and writing right on par in his dislike. We did JAG this last year and he did GREAT with it - I also used AG in full with my 7th grade daughter who loves language study. Was planning to use it with him next year, but we're considering the CC Essentials program since we could use the camraderie and IEW writing program. Think he'd do better with some positive peer pressure. I know there is some debate about whether Latin grammar teaches the English grammar or vice versa, but my son did much better in his Latin this year after working through the JAG - he seemed to understand it more clearly. So I thought that what appears to be the overwhelming amount of info in CC Essentials EEL might be benficial to us in our Latin studies. But honestly, I think the EEL is kind of....over the top. I think the Charlotte Mason part of me just rebels against needing to spend more time on things that I can't tell are worthwhile, and are (frankly) boring and convoluted. (Honestly, 112 model sentences to memorize? To what end? I'm not judging as much as genuinely asking....) I thought the AG was somewhat interesting and my kids actually didn't mind and liked it. I had no trouble teaching it. Was pretty hands off, really. But the EEL seems more thorough and with more formal terminology. And more teacher/time intensive. So my question: we're planning to move on eventually into Henle or Wheelock Latin - will the CC EEL help us immensely in our First Forms and Henle/Wheelock study? We'll do it if it going to help....or if you ahve another English grammar suggestion that would be helpful, I'd take that too! Thanks! DD 13 DS 11 DD 8 DD 6 DS 20 months
  20. My homeschool group started a co-op four years ago, which we've been part of since then. This coming school year, I decided to make a change and try Classical Conversations (it's new to our area). I will have three children (ages 6,8,11) in Foundations and I will be an Essentials tutor (teaching my 11 year-old and 1-2 other students - it's a small group). Now it turns out that our homeschool group co-op is going in a whole new direction and will be doing Odyssey of the Mind over this next school year. I am wondering if it's realistic...or even healthy...to attempt to do both, since that would take up two mornings (plus an afternoon) each week, leaving us with only three mornings for actual homeschooling, and one of those days is Saturday (our weekend is Sun/Mon), which historically has been difficult to preserve for lessons, though I tried this past year, since it felt like we really needed four days (mornings and partway into the afternoon, then quiet time and extracurriculars). I'm hesitant because this is our first year with CC and with me being a tutor, so I don't want to take time away from what's needed to put the most in to that, but on the other hand, the co-op chose OM (Odyssey of the Mind) partly to remove the burden of teaching from the parents. I wouldn't even have to coach or assistant coach - I could just help out, so there shouldn't be any prep work or homework. My other reservation is philosophical. In a way, it seems like these two programs are diametrically opposed - sort of like conservative vs. liberal, Christian vs. secular, history vs. future, knowledge vs. creativity, wisdom vs. innovation, convention vs. technology. Or, remove the "vs." and could they could be seen as complementary? God is full of paradoxes, so maybe this is like that. And OM does use critical thinking, problem solving skills, so that could fit with logic...but in the classical model, that wouldn't happen until the middle grades, whereas OM includes grammar stage kids. And the lack of adult direction (kids come up with everything on their own) doesn't seem like it would be compatible either...unless all the kids were being taught logic as a separate course to inform their decisions. Then throw in Susan Wise Bauer's view that it's better not to join a co-op at all. Well, at least that's what was best for her family. Since we have been WTM'ers from the beginning, her opinion is worth its weight in gold. And having experienced a co-op these past three years (in fact, the only time we weren't in it was our very first semester and that was just with one child, so I really don't know any different), I can see where it can be problematic. Still, for us, I've felt that the benefits outweighed the downsides...at least until this past year, which was part of what prompted me to make the change to CC. Some others in our homeschool group are doing both, but they are generally less rigorous at home (more Charlotte Mason than WTM) and have younger children.
  21. We are considering CC for our family next yer. We have been happily using TOG for the past 4+ years, but I need a change -- and we all know how true it is: If mama ain't happy...... I think TOG has prepared my son for much of what is presented in Challenge I, but I do think that he will find the writing a challenge for him -- especially the frequency. I do think that the literature selections in Challenge I in general look pretty "easy" but after talking with the Challenge I tutor (and friend), I think what CC is doing with the literature is worthy of a 9th grade English credit. Since my oldest has never been in CC before, there is a part of me that wonders if we should just do Challenge B next year. In general, I think my son is a good student (not great, not gifted, but a good B+/A- student) who is ready for high school. I guess I am writing all this to ask if anyone with experience at the Challenge level can comment on the Challenge B vs 1 for high school 9th grade. What would need to be added to get to a high school level if we did B? BTW, we are already ahead of CC in science -- my son is about 1/2 way through physical science right in 8th grade.
  22. Hello! I am very new to classical education. We have done Heart of Dakota for the past three years, but for next year we have signed up to be a part of Classical Conversations. They will be on Cycle 3. I'm trying to wrap my brain around what I should do for our history/science/literature studies. I know some women in the group use SOTW and just follow along with whatever memory work was done that week in CC to study at home. Others don't follow the same history timeline at home and do their own history curriculum. I want next year to be as successful as possible for my boys. I will have a 2nd grader (older 2nd grader though so he's more advanced) and a 4th grader. We use Math U See and Shirley English too. The older one will be doing Essentials with CC as well. Thank you so much for your opinion and sharing your own personal experiences!!! Tiffanie
  23. Hi all! My name is Kathryn. I live in a small town outside of Albany, NY. I have 7 children (9 and under), yes, I had one set of twins! I homeschooled my children up until this current school year. For various reasons we had to put our children in public school. :*( I'm praying that next year we'll be able to resume our homeschooling again. I'm wanting to start up a Classical Conversations group in Albany, NY area. If you know of anyone interested, please let me know!! The more the merrier! Thanks!! Kathryn
  24. I am in a unique situation. Either in December or in the beginning of the year we will be placing our four children, grades k-7th in a traditional Christian school. I have been homeschooling since the beginning, mostly following the Classical Conversations track along with a smattering of Sonlight, Tapestry of Grace and Veritas Press online courses and their self-paced Omnibus course. Most of these curriculums use living books. My kids have Memory Mastered multiple times and my 7th grader is really doing well this year in Challenge A. Since we have been following a CC model it will be a huge pedagogical switch for me to place my kids in a school that is very traditional in curriculum and methodology. The curriculum they are using mostly is Bob Jones and Abeka for Science and history. What I want to know is multi-facted: 1) How did your kids adjust to a pedagogical difference in teaching? 2) Has anyone afterschooled with Classical Conversations, on all three levels, Foundations, Essentials and Challenge? If so, how did you schedule your afterschooling days? 3) Are there things I should be aware of in regards to the curriculum? I am excited for my kids and the path the Lord has provided for them in regards to being able to go to a quality school. However, I love the CC model and what the classical model of education is all about. I have known for a while that we would follow the model of the trivium that classical education lays out. I am mostly concerned with my oldest who is entering the dialectic stage and will have no one who has been studying like he has been. I have previewed some of their curriculum and I find it lacking in some ways, but in other ways I can see how it will only enhance what we have all ready have done. I would love some insight here of those of you who have gone before. Thanks!
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