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  1. This year my boys are 9 (grade 4) and 11 (grade 5). We are doing the Prufrock Press logic books plus I am supplementing with some other puzzle books for my oldest. We do a lot of subjects together so I had given some thought to doing informal logic together as well, but I am concerned that my youngest (who will be 5th grade next fall) will be too young for it. His brother is only a grade higher but 21 months older and that can make a real difference sometimes. What I own so far and *could* use: The Thinking Toolbox The Fallacy Detective Art of Argument plus two workbooks I could possibly do this progression with my oldest: 6th--Thinking Toolbox/Fallacy Detective alone with mom 7th--Art of Argument with younger DS (then grade 6) 8th--formal logic (TBD) Thoughts on combining for Art of Argument in grade 6?? Can a 6th grader do this? I am mostly hearing people saying 7th or 8th for it, but based on the WTM progression we should be in formal logic by then.
  2. I bought Art of Argument a couple of years ago, and I've tried to read it several times. I just tried again, as I was planning to use it this year . . . but I just hate it. I think it's dull, I hate the tone, I just don't find anything about it interesting or engaging. So partly I'm wondering if I'm the only weirdo who feels this way? But that doesn't actually really matter too much - what I really need to know is: 1) what else out there covers logical fallacies (and is secular), and 2) at what point in a student's career is an informal logic course critical? If ever? I'm planning on studying Metacognition with my kids thoroughly - we'll study psychology, both individual and group, the ways our minds and others' can be deceived, how we think, perceive and judge . . . do we really need a specific class on informal logic? And if so, what can we use that is secular, and engaging? I have Weston's Rulebook for Arguments and Workbook for Arguments, but the latter looks like a high school rhetoric class to me, not like something you would cover in middle school.
  3. We are using VP next year, and our Ds will be learning 7th grade logic. VP recommends Introductory Logic or Art of Argument for the core logic curriculum. Both programs, and their follow-on books, look appealing. However, we are having a hard time choosing which is best. Could someone provide reasons to pick on over the other? If there is a past thread on this, please point us there, we are happy to save time and discussion if it has already been discussed. :001_smile: Thanks
  4. I am trying to decide on a logic program to use in our co-op next year. The class will be two days a week for 75 minutes each time. I am thinking that Art of Argument looks like a great place to start. The class will have 7th, 6th and maybe a 5th grader or two. None of the kids will have had any formal How would you schedule this program? Would each lesson take a full class period? For example would 3.1 fill a class period? and 3.2 be another day? And is the video component really helpful?
  5. I assumed it was not gonna be okay for us, but I have noticed secular board members using it. Thoughts?
  6. Do these resources cover the same material? Could I use Critical Thinking 1 and 2 and then go into AoA, or would that be redundant? Thanks! Tara
  7. Should I just get the student edition, or just the TM? Do I need both? I'm planning on us doing it mostly orally, I don't need the tests or anything.
  8. I see on the Classical Academia Press site they recomment Art of Argument for 7th and up. Next year my 3 olders will be 6th and 7th grades. I really want to keep my 6th grader and twin 7th graders together for Logic and thought we'd use AoA this year and then delve into Traditional Logic 1 when they were 7th and 8th. However, the 6th grader is young for her grade since she has an August birthday and I wonder if I'm pushing her too much. Is it a maturity thing with the 7th grade recommendation? Even the WTM book recommends AoA for 7th graders who may not be ready for formal logic yet. Suggestions? I'm also wondering what is meant by "write a short essay" answering______. Do they mean a short paragraph or do they mean a 5 paragraph essay? Users of Art of Argument, how do you interpret that? Thanks!
  9. I got my AoA books the other day and they look really good. It's sad how little I know about the logical fallacies given that I was an honors student at a well-respected high school and attended a top university :blushing: I'm self-educating now and intend to start DD on it in the fall. I'm not sure how to implement it, however. I can tell that it is a book I will need to sit and discuss with her like MCT, but if I plan on doing it twice per week, is it reasonable to assume that we can get through one fallacy per week?
  10. I'm doing Art of Argument. I see there is also Argument Builder and then Discovery of Deduction. I can't figure out if Argument Builder is the book that follows AoA or if it's a supplement with AoA. If you've used these, what order did you do them? Thanks!
  11. Too young for a 10th grader? I was hoping to have the seventh and tenth graders go through it together. Are the DVDs worth the additional cost? Final question, ;) but I also have Traditional Logic. Do you prefer one over the other? Would there be a purpose behind having both?
  12. I have an 11yo - very nearly 12yo - who is completely flummoxed by the Art of Argument. She doesn't find critical thinking easy, but we have worked though some Mind Benders books (now much too easy) and are in the middle of a Red Herrings book (challenging at times, although she says it's easier than it was). She also does Mathematical Reasoning Bk 2, Kriss Kross puzzles and Sudoku. She's average to good at Math, average to good at science, brilliant at English, languages and history. I wasn't expecting her to find AoA a breeze, but the complete lack of comprehension has thrown me a bit. Do you think she would be typical in not understanding it at this age? Was I just over-optimistic?! Or should we perservere with it, is it the kind of thing that improves with practice? - might she get it if we persist? If we leave AoA for now, is there something like Red Herrings - maybe a bit more difficult, but not as hard as AoA - that we could do before trying AoA again?
  13. Just got a post from CAP on FB about this. We love the LfC DVD with Chris Perrin teaching, so I'm sure we'd love this one, too. But for those of you who have done the Art of Argument, do you think the DVD is necessary or would you buy it if you ever used it with another child? Just looking through the book it doesn't seem to me that you'd need it. But he discusses a fallacy for each lesson with a group of several kids, so it might be interesting. Other thing is that the sample lesson is 22 minutes long, so is that just adding extra time for us to spend on it??? Anyway, would LOVE thoughts from those of you who have used this curriculum before. We're very excited about it! P.S. - no, I don't have any experience at all with logic
  14. I just got The Art of Argument and now I'm trying to figure out how to schedule it out for the school year. It isn't as clear to me as it should be, though that might be because I've been scheduling so many things that I'm dreaming calendars and page numbers. :001_smile: Anyway, does anyone have a sample schedule to share?
  15. I just realized they had one :lol: Does anybody have this? Do you recommend getting it? Is it worth the money? Thanks in advance :D
  16. Art of Argument is not available on Rainbow so I can't add it to my big order. And I'm not thrilled with the price approx. $50 at CAP for informal logic is a bit pricey. My children have done a TON of logic/critical thinking/logic puzzles programs. Should I just add Memoria Press Traditional Logic to my Rainbow order for my 7th grader? I was planning on starting that in 8th, but the convenience of adding it to my order is drawing me in! Is there something else I can use for a year before I start formal logic in 8th. Preferably from Rainbow :).
  17. Thank you, everyone, who has helped me with logic! I'm feeling better about CAP books. I am trying to come to a conclusion. Would you give me your opinion about this idea?: Would this work for 8th grade? Art of Argument in 1st semester/ Argument Builder in 2nd semester. I will need to keep logic to 30 minutes about 3 times/week. Is this enough time to get both of these books done? We would mostly do them orally, and a 6th grader might join us. If there isn't enough time for both books, I would just do AoA. Why do some skip Argument Builder and go right to Discovery of Deduction after Art of Argument? I could do AoA followed by DoD, but on CAP's web site they say AB is the perfect companion to AoA. It also seems to be the stepping stone I am looking for that links fallacies to rhetoric. I'm leaning toward either Discovery of Deduction or A Rulebook for Argument for 9th. Thanks so much!
  18. Do I need the Teacher edition as well?? Thank you...
  19. Would it be a waste of time to do both of them? I'm trying to decide on my logic sequence for the next few years. Thanks for your input! ElaineJ
  20. Looking for a logic program for ds next year - we really have loved LFC, and I'm wondering about their logic materials. Would we do two books in a year? Art of Argument and Argument Builders? How does it compare to other programs? TIA!
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