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  1. Hello everyone, Newbie here, and we have been considering the Tapestry of Grace curriculum for our son ( 7 1/2 ) and daughter 5. The costs of the curriculum are available on the web, but then, it seems to need a whole lot of extra books, which need to be bought or borrowed from the library and it is possible that the library would have them at the time we want? Has any one done a cost analysis for the reference books for a year of the Tapestry of grace program?
  2. I'm trying to pick a packaged curriculum for the first time here (for my future kindergartener) and I need something very structured. TOG looks good and I love that it seems to stick to the classical model pretty closely, but their website is so weird and disorganized! It's hard to tell what I'm even getting if I order! I downloaded the samples and I still can't seem to get their layout. It's very frustrating b/c all the HS conventions out here in SoCal aren't until the end of July-ish. I want to get to touch and see the products, but that doesn't leave me much time to order my stuff and make my plan before the school year starts. Anyway - what are your impressions of TOG? Better than SL? It seems like SL repeats a bunch of the readers from year to year as you move through the cores. Is there another great classical curriculum I don't know about?? Any help is appreciated!
  3. Hey everyone - Sick of me yet??? Just finished my blog post about Grammar Students. I post this with a little trepidation. I don't know if this will be helpful at all, since my grammar student is my youngest of 5. But maybe it will give you a little picture of how TOG "might" work for you? I tend to be a little relaxed with my youngest in terms of school, so keep that in mind as you read. Thanks for everyone's encouragement!
  4. Hey folks! You have been so, so encouraging about my previous posts! I'm sitting here waiting for college dd to get home from the premier of October Baby (awesome movie, go see it!) and finished my post on TOG and the dialectic years. Hope it helps someone! And if you have questions, either post them in the comment section, pm me, or add them here- I"m going to try to do a "Questions and Answers" posts in the near future. Thanks!
  5. Hi! My daughter is entering 7th next fall and I can't decide what to do! We have finished SOTW (loved it with the activity book) and I'm wanting to choose something that will go from 7th through high school that has good literature as well. I've ruled out Sonlight, but I've heard great things about MFW. I like the look of Omnibus by VP, but worry that it's too heavy. I want to do some great books, but 50 a week might overwhelm us! ;) I want to be able to interact with her on a deeper level, but still have 3 (maybe 4 soon) littler ones to teach so it must be a bit self directed. Nothing too teacher intensive. I've heard Bob Jones' stuff is complete, but is it a bit dry? And I long for her to read great books. And finally, how in the world do you find something that meets all the credit requirements for high school / college bound kids? Do any of these cover all the different subjects required like world, us, econ, gov? As you can hear, I'm a bit freaked out as the older years look like a gaping pit of unknowns looming before me. I'd soooooo appreciate any advice, comments, or prayer you want to throw my way. Just for extra info, we'll be using: MUS, Writing Strands and IEW, Apologia Science, Rosetta Stone, Spelling Power, Easy Grammar, and Who knows What for Logic or Vocab. Please tell me what you use and what you love about it. Please? Rondi
  6. Here's my situation: I am trying to figure out which direction to take for my bright 1st grader next year. I have 3 friends (families) currently enrolled in CC and another one seriously considering it. Although there is so much that appeals to me about CC, I am not completely sold on it just yet. After coming across a few posts on this forum, and reading posts by the Accidental Homeschooler, I am incredibly curious about the TOG curriculum. I would LOVE to get together my own little co-op of 5 or so super cool, interesting families with similar world views and a passion for Christian Classical Education, but I don't currently have a group of homeschooling friends like that. We are close to about 5 other homeschooling families and, as I mentioned before, they are mostly committed to CC. Other than those few families, we are pretty isolated as homeschoolers. What would you do in my situation? I am definitely a leader type and have no problem organizing a group. However, I do not have a lot of experience homeschooling and don't have the vast wisdom many of you veterans have. I am also a bit of a control freak when it comes to my children's' education (OK, and pretty much every other aspect of my life as well). Art and creativity are vitally important to me, though my son seems very drawn so far to math and science (where does he get that?!?). We have visited 2 separate CC campuses and he has loved the experience. Oh. Also, I should mention: I have 2 year old twins that I fear will be have a hard time spending 4 hours every week in the nursery (as there isn't much structure - the children pretty much play with toys the entire 4 hours). Thanks for any and all input. I am open to all thoughts and would love to hear your honest opinions about each program. Thanks! Leslie PS- Why does CC only have 3 cycles as opposed to the 4 described in WTM?
  7. Hello All, Currently we are doing history and literature a la WTM and I really like the flexiblity of being able to choose which books we use. But, I feel like I need more organization. I need help with discussion, staying on schedule, and getting writing assignments completed. Would TOG help with this? Also, if I changed some of the literature selections in TOG, would it affect the value of using a program like this? In year 3, does TOG mainly focus on U.S. history or is world history equally covered? (I have looked over the year 3 topics, but it is hard to tell.) I would greatly appreciate any imput. Ideally, I would continue with what we are doing now, but I am not organized by nature and I don't want to short-change my kids because of my weaknesses. Thanks, Linda
  8. I remember reading somewhere that TOG Year 1 will be redesigned and updated soon. I tried to find the info on TOG's website but was unable to find it. Does anyone know when the updated Year 1 will be available?
  9. ... I've just started Sonlight's Core A for my 5.5-year-old, and am getting a feel for where I want his education to go; I'm pretty sure that I'll want to switch from Sonlight somewhere down the road, between 2nd and 6th grades probably. The threads I've seen have me leaning toward Veritas Press but I'm not clear if it can be taught well ecumenically. If not, I'm leaning toward Tapestry of Grace but to be honest I'm not sure I'll enjoy the intensive planning involved, and am concerned by several posts (here and elsewhere) from moms whose children have found the readings too dry to maintain enthusiasm. Any ideas? :bigear: thanks in advance!
  10. My oldest will be beginning Kindergarten this fall. I have also have two toddlers (1.5 and 3). I have spent HOURS and DAYS poring over different curriculum options. My husband leans heavily toward a classical approach with lots of "life experience" and "hands-on" learning. I am on board but enjoy unit studies and I'm a huge charlotte mason fan. TOG seems like a wonderful combination. I have looked extensively at the 3 weeks that are free to download. Here are my hesitations. While I would love to spend all day everyday on history/bible/geography, I need to spend time on handwriting, math, and reading as well. If I do start TOG this year, at half-speed, are we taking on too much for a Kinder year? Will I be able to bring my little girls into some of the hands-on activities? Is the material too heavy for a 5-year-old? Have others used a separate science curriculum or just tried working science into the units? Has anyone done year 1 at half speed with a 5-year-old? What else did you have time to do each day? I don't want to overwhelm myself or him with more than 2 - 3 hours of school, four days/week. Please share your thoughts/experiences both good and bad. Thanks! Melissa
  11. Can I get any comparisons or experiences with using TOG vs. just doing things the way TWTM lays it out? I spent my week poring over the 3-week TOG sample. I almost convinced myself to buy a unit. ;) But then I thought it might be a good idea to talk to dh. His reaction? "You're looking at TOG again??" (insert eye-rolling). So I proceeded to tel him all the cool things about TOG. It includes 4 separate levels! It has all the books laid out for me! It has discussion questions! It has writing assignments! Finally dh said, "Doesn't that book of yours (WTM) have all those kinds of things in it?" We-e-ell, yes. I suppose it does. But it's not all laid out in a shiny, new curriculum... So do you have any experiences that would be helpful for me? In the meantime, I think I'll go re-read TWTM....
  12. I keep eyeballing TOG, but from a distance. Since I'll eventually need to decide on something for history and literature for next year, I'm looking at it again. There are specific reasons (i.e., things I've merely read/heard) I've kept TOG at arm's length, and I'm hoping you can address them as true or untrue If it's not so black-and-white, please elaborate & tell how you solved the issue in your homeschool: 1. Map Aids - I've heard that the answers aren't always easy to figure out, or that the answer key isn't helpful, or that resources that are supposed to match up re: the maps just don't and in that case users have been told to just look at the answer key. 2. Answers to some of the questions (D or R level) not being easy to find, but scattered throughout many books. 3. Hard to use, hard to plan, too many books, too time consuming (for teacher and for student). Thanks for the help! (again, always)
  13. Can we talk about this a bit? I'm trying to sort it out. Debra Bell, in her homeschooling high school book, suggests beginning the TOG Rhetoric level assignments in 7th and finishing them by 10th to make room for electives or AP level classes in 11th and 12th. TOG covers a lot of the material I want to cover, and I find myself pretty happy with what I see in the scope & sequences, the book lists, the topics they tackle, etc. I'm not saying it's the *only* lit I would want to cover, but it would be a good starting point. However a few things give me pause: -They seem to fly through the Greeks and Romans in year 1. I understand I could drop the ancient egyptian reading, take more time, etc. but still it's a lot of money for a plan that, for that year, isn't inherently satisfactory. -For year 1 I think I *could* do it myself. What do I gain by using TOG? What do I miss out on if I don't? Would it be a good way to bring us up to speed with the methodology and get us more ready for the year 2, where I *don't* feel confident of my ability to do it myself? -How well do the student questions line up with the reading? I've seen mixed comments on this in posts and was unsure. -How many days a week do we need for discussion? 1? -The sample weeks they provide (Thank you others for the link!) don't look AT ALL like what I was envisioning. I was thinking something more along the lines of history reading and outlining Tues/Thurs, lit reading daily, projects on Friday. I have some books of seriously good middle school projects, so I don't need the TOG hands-on. However when I showed dd the re-enactments and unit celebrations from the Teacups in the Garden blog, she was crazy excited. I think I'd need to take an extra week between units to make that happen. -I own the Kagan Western Civ book someone here on the boards had mentioned (Karenciavo?), and dd likes it. I have no clue if she'd like Spielvogel more. It's merely that she does like this. She likes the amount of detail and that it matches in layout the BJU science she is already outlining this year. It would be a comfortable transition. However that means the scheduling help of TOG is out the window for that. Not a biggee, but one more knock. -I *do* like that TOG integrates a lot of the things I keep thinking I'd like to use with her (Coffin, Marrin books, etc.). However it's not as if I'd be unable to create lists for those myself. I DON'T want to get into this situation of reading 20 little things. One history text, one GB, one work of lit, one spiritual-themed book per week. That's what I want. Not 20 segments and pieces. So what am I missing if I DON'T do TOG? I have Omnibus I and II. I don't want to do them straight, because I don't agree with them enough. I don't know, I've struggled with this, and I've just decided that's where I'm at. I gave dd the choice of a 3+3 or 4+2, and she wants 4+2. So I'll take the best of O1, the best of O4 and use them with a history spine. But frankly, I DON'T like the essays in Omnibus. I don't get the people who do. I've tried, and I don't like them. I don't find them informative, answering my questions, or spiritually kindred to me. I don't know how to say it better than that. It's no slam. I'm just saying if my choices are pay $550 for the online course, do it myself, or buy a curriculum, I want to find something that communicates what *I* want to communicate to her a bit closer. The extra books I see in TOG do. Coffin, the Leland Ryken books, those are what I find kindred spirits in. Oh, and did I mention I hate history? Dd likes to take advantage of that and assume I know none, which isn't true either, hehe. (I told her to learn the word SELF-DEPRECATING.) Nevertheless, I do much better when the expectations are clear and concise. I have a 1st edition BJU world history (the high school text), and that I can understand. Imagine my HORROR when the blessed child said only the college text would do! I don't see a problem with me using that to guide her through the 1st year, and I think with the resources I have (Iliad guide from Logos, Omnibus 1 guide, Rutherford for basic comprehension and themes, Ryken guide on the Odyssey, etc.) we'd be fine for year 1. But am I crazy? Would TOG help me do a better job or just overwhelm me? Would ToG be better when we're ready to hit year two and unnecessary now for year 1? Thank you in advance for your comments. :)
  14. After going through the SOTW cycle once with my three kids (9, 11, 13), I switched to Tapestry of Grace this year. However, I'm completely overwhelmed with the prep work for three different levels, and no one seems to be connecting with history this year like they did when we used SOTW. So I'm thinking of jumping ship and going back to SOTW with my two youngest who would still benefit from going through it again. However, I think I need something beefier but in a similar style for my oldest. Last year, when he was in 6th grade, I tried to follow the WTM recommendations and have him list key facts from Kingfisher. However, that was too dry on its own, so he listened in as I read from SOTW and then I sent him to Kingfisher. I'd like to go back to following WTM, but I'd like a spine similar to SOTW but for logic stage kids. Any suggestions?
  15. I haven't seen many posts here on Tapestry of Grace. I'd like to hear your opinions, pro and con. Did it work for you? Why? Why not? I've done a search, but it didn't show many hits. I'm just just starting out with the WTM classical plan, so I have a 3rd grader who is coming late to the party, but we've got our party hats on!! ;)
  16. Hi everyone, I am not ready to homeschool my daughter yet (she will be 3 in January, so I have plenty of time to decide), but I really like both the VP and TOG programs. Is anyone using the VP history and bible cards with the TOG program? Is it difficult to combine the memorization used in VP with TOG's overall pace of presenting history? Also, I am thinking about incorporating VP's lit program into the TOG work. Would it totally drown my daughter in reading if I did this? It looks like most of TOG's lit readings are historical fiction, but I would really like for her to read other great books. Lastly, I am considering using the VP lesson plans to fill in the subject gaps left by TOG (or to substitute TOG's suggestions). Would this be a good idea since I have no experience as a teacher? Thank you so much for any advice you can offer. Sherry Podoba
  17. because I just went to their book ordering site and added just the Unit 1 books for Y1 Rhetoric and it is $341. That doesn't include any of the alternate reasources... Yes a few of the books are for multiple years but this is just for UNIT 1! I checked my library and they have very few (maybe 3 of the books on the list). How do you afford TOG? Or do you use it differently?
  18. I am trying to plan for next year, can you give me your opinions of TOG. This will be with my dd 6 almost 7 yo for 2nd grade. I also have a 5 and 3 yo. I did MFW last year and my daughter disliked it. The main complaint was that she didnt like the Bible reader. I am also looking at VP and Sonlight, I just dont think my other two will give us that much read aloud time to do SL. This is only my second year HSing and so I am still trying to figure out how the kids learn. Thanks for any opinions/comments/advice. -Alana I plan on doing Abeka LA/phonics. Gods design for science.
  19. He wants simple, to the point, one year AM History for 11th grade. I'm fine with the switch. I think he'll enjoy it much more. I cannot continue to make him want to do TOG. With that curricula, I think the student has to be extremely motivated for it to work. My concern at this moment is lit. What do we do for that? He wants to read. He likes to read. But, he's sooo burnt out on great works from the Medieval period, I need to be careful to encourage that love of reading and not hit him over the head with heavy laden text. I was peeking at LL - doesn't quite look like "enough". SL looks "below grade level" at least in Core 100. BFeet same thing. AO, how much fun are those books, really?? Maybe I need to get out my WTM/WEM notes again. UGH! Just when I think I'm in one camp - he goes and changes the plan. I didn't like doing WTM/WEM because I felt we were never doing it right or doing enough. Note to self for other children: don't make firm plans. allow for individuality. Any thoughts? Lori D? Anyone????
  20. I've made the decision. We are using Tapestry when our new year starts this fall. I really want to do most of my planning for it now and over the summer, so that the year will flow more smoothly. My problem is that I don't know where to start! I know how to get the books, but beyond that what do I do? Do any of you plan TOG before you actually start your year with it? If so, how do you go about it? What do you do ahead of time that makes your life easier during the school year?
  21. I hate to even type this, because I'm admitting defeat, and don't want to. TOG is not working for Diva. I don't know WHY, I just know it isn't. I *love* the program. She doesn't. I realize there's got to be something I missed somewhere to have her excited by it, but reality of it is, it just isn't working. I'm tempted to keep plugging away because its everything I've been wanting in a curric...all the different levels, the all encapsulated delivery...But if I can't figure out how to get her wanting to do the work, if I can't figure out how to make her interested...then what good is it doing? Argh! So, anyways...I'm thinking of MCT and SOTW. Problems, however, abound. I'm not sure which MCT package to buy. She's starting grade 7. I remember correctly, SOTW is aimed at a bit lower kids. How do I make things more interesting/challenging for her? I screwed up last year. I purchased SOTW 2 and the activity pages. Not thinking, I simply gave Diva the pages to work on. So now, I'm missing probably a dozen pages of the activity book. No, I was too stupid to photocopy, despite being allowed to make copies for the children in my home. And Princess and Tazzie will be following along, so will want to do the pages. Anyone know of how I can just get the missing pages I need, aside from having to buy the entire activity book again? I want to do TOG, so I may take another run at it another year. I'm sure its *my* screw up that Diva didn't like it. Pretty sure I messed it up, so I'll try it again when the Littles are older.
  22. I've got to flesh this out...we are starting with Ancients next year, so I'm going to go with TOG or Veritas History/Bible. I assumed we would go with VP because my husband adores Omnibus (ok, so do I :D), but really like TOG too. I can think of a few differences: VP has a 5 year history cycle and TOG has 4 years VP has two levels 2-4th grade and about 4th-6 grade, while TOG has 4 levels inside each year. I think TOG would be much better to suit the different grade levels and move them up at small increments. VP and TOG both have great book lists. VP has less books, but they seem to be the creme of the crop books. TOG is harder to tell because there are so many books, I know they are all great though. I want to teach character and the Bible, VP (when combined with VP Bible) seems to be a clear winner here by going systematically though the Bible. I know TOG has some Bible, especially in Ancients, but not sure how that translates in other years, its hard to tell by looking at the website. TOG is 36 weeks for 4 year cycle = 144 topics VP is 32 weeks for 5 year cycle = 160 topics VP spends 2 years on Ancient Civ, Y1 for Egypt and Y2 for Greek and Roman. I don't see where they cover Ancient China, India, etc. One option would be to combine them with SOTW to get those topics. I know TOG covers these. TOG is weighted to cover the last 100 years in 1 year. In other words, it covers Ancients in 1 year and spends more and more time as we get closer to present time. TOG "worksheets" are directly related to the books they are reading and are made for a certain level, Lower grammar, upper grammer, etc. VP seems to use the same format of comprehension questions and projects 2nd grade-6th grade (and then we throw them into Omnibus--Ouch :scared:). VP does have Scholars Online so you can throw them in it if you get bogged down. I haven't seen the teachers manuals for VP, but I know that TOG has wonderful teacher notes and info. Well these are the random thoughts and such that have been swishing around my head the last few months. Forgive me if they come out all in a ramble. Correct me if I have gotten something wrong, etc. Any thoughts? My main concern is worldview. I want to train my children's hearts and teach them the wisdom and knowledge to be gained from history. This is a big decision for me because either way is a big time commitment. I'm hoping some of you have been their done that and can give me some wisdom...
  23. I apologize for yet another TOG thread, but I would like a little more input before I take the plunge. Please know that I am not looking to flame, insult, or cause a riot :lol:, this is an honest question. One of the big things holding me back for next year (Yr 2) is how TOG handles Church History from a Reformed perspective. I am not reformed, but I am a Christian. While I certainly feel that Church history is a very important topic, I do not agree that Luther and Calvin are the End-All. Nor do I think that their movements are solely responsible for the church separating from the Catholic church. How is that topic portrayed? I would like to know how TOG handles these men, especially Calvin. Is he portrayed as the ultimate hero, or is his more controversial actions also covered- such as putting to death (some being burned at the stake) of his political adversaries?? If both sides are not covered, could you recommend a different curriculum that is a bit more balanced, or at least some books that would even up the bias a little bit? My other issue is that I can not use the DE version because we don't use Windows. I've tried emailing them about this 5 times, and never got a reply. I suppose I'd just use the printed version.... but that's a whole 'nuther issue. :nopity:
  24. This thread brought up a couple of questions that I though might be better answered on a separate thread. First off I know that TOG is not for everyone. For me however I knew right off the bat it was what I wanted for R level and I figured why not start now. My questions then are 1) Is there anything to really compare TOG to? I mean if you want that depth of history and that level of literary analysis is there anywhere else to get it? 2) Why is it considered so expensive? The closest I could see to compare was MFW and it was very similar in cost. I guess if you want what TOG has to offer how would you go about doing it for less. I paid $250 this year for the year plan and some ug and lg books. On my next time through I will have to spend $0. I plan to use whatever is left of our budget to stock bookshelves but that is just my preference. I love TOG but explaining the cost (especially IRL) is hard. I don't think the cost is bad at all - and we are poor by most people's standards. Am I missing something?
  25. So...lol I just went ahead and ordered the deal for yr 2 bundle in print. I need the physical pages to help me, the digital just seemed confusing for me. I bought all of the additional resources on CD. I may not use them right away, but wanted the option. I also bought the templates for the lapbooks but can't see myself using these right away. Here is what I will have in the fall. They really fit well in to each listed category or I would try to put the rhetoric in to the dialectic, but she needs high school credit. Or the dialectic in the upper grammer, but he needs to do the work. He is extremely bright, and would love to do nothing!! lol 9th grade Rhetoric (she will def. be rhetoric, she is a voracious reader and thinker.. been doing Abeka in school, they are finishing up the 9th grade year for her 8th grade. She is asking for a rigorous program. So we will start here and lay off a bit if it is too much) She wants to earn the honors credits. 7th grade dialectic 4th grade upper grammer K5 (early reader) and 2nd grader doing lower grammer preK 4 will be doing basics like starfall.com and maybe the early ETC books, I also have the early Rod and Staff workbooks for her to mess with. Nothing formal. Lots of books. Also causing trouble and chaos will be my 2 yr old ds and 8 month old dd (due to arrive in a couple of weeks;)) 1. If we take it slow to start as I hear that year 2 is packed, can dd 9th still earn a full credit? Or will she have to complete the full year, thus pulling the rest along as that was the point of switching to Tapestry... keeping them all on the same page. 2. I would like to add in the least amount of additional LA, fine arts etc. I want to make the most of the program. I have FLL and for the olders is TOG enough? As far as basic Grammer and learning to read, I have been using MFW, but it gets a little boring and repetitive. Does FLL teach any of this.... Maybe queens Language workbooks? 3. My library has very few... like hardly any of the books that are not common (like usborne and typical trade books). Which few would you all recommend to purchase to get us started. It is not recommended to have them all... am I correct? How do you choose? Could anyone recommend like 3 per level for unit one that would get us started? 4. the reason that I am ordering now, is I would really like to get things semi organized and give myself time to familiarize myself with everything before the beginning of the school year. My main concern being the proper completion and use of the program for my High schooler as we begin. 5. I am excited. I am tired of looking around. I am determined to make this work, but want to go in to it all with the mindset of not trying to do it all. It is finding this place as we begin that may be difficult. 6. Would love to hear any and all advice that you may recommend to make this an easy transition. 7. I heard something about creating workbooks... does anyone find this helpful, or is it just as easy to copy the weeks work (depending on the choices of the work for the week) as you go along. Sorry this is like a novel.. As I am beginning this with 5 children of school age at all levels and all learning levels, I am trying to wrap my head around it all! Thank you so much, especially if you made it this far in my post...lol:D I'm all ears:bigear: I have tried posting some on the forums of TOG and haven't had any responses yet. I know I have time. But I also know how fast time goes by... Especially with a new baby about to take up some time around here...;)
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