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  1. Quick question (because if you search my past posts, you'll discover that this is an ongoing theme with me - what history to choose :tongue_smilie:) With a (young, not terribly motivated, yet bright) 5th grader and (very motivated and bright) 2nd grader who have not done much history to this point, what Core would you start with in the SL series? Ideally I'd like to keep them together for at least two years. FWIW, I have last year's 1+2 (which is now B+C) and all of the books. Also have a friend who just brought me Core 3 from 2004 with the majority of the books. Am completely open to any and all suggestions, even if it is a different Core. I asked a similar question on the SL boards (last year - when I was supposed to complete 1+2) but would really appreciate input from the Hive. Thanks so much!
  2. Hi, Can anyone help me figure out the economic courses that Thinkwell offers? It appears that Sonlight's economics that uses Thinkwell is using Thinkwell's economics course that is listed under student available courses on their web site. Thinkwell also lists the macroeconomics and microeconomics courses under the student list of courses available. Through the homeschool buyers co-op Thinkwell's micro and macro economics are both available, but each is a semester class. The course listed as just economics is not offered. Does anyone have experience with any of these courses? What would be best for AP prep? Thanks, Judy
  3. Has anyone had success using Sonlight with an older child doing it independtly (around 12 years old)? Thanks!
  4. I have switched from TOG to SL and have read and awful lot of comments from members here regarding how it's not enough for high school. Not enough writing instruction and not enough literary analysis. This is very unsettling. It feels like I'm choosing something not as good as WTM or TOG and it's making me doubt our path. Anyone been there with some advice on being more comfortable with it all? Mainly I hear the reading selections aren't as "hard" as should be and a spine is important for a history course for high school. What about my son's enjoyment factor? He's 17, unmotivated and TOG killed! his love for learning using "the Great Books". (Just being honest, not dissing TOG) My husband felt like all I ever did was gather books and prepare to teach using TOG so it's not an option for us anymore, per his request. That's quite a statement seeing as he is usually very open to my doing whatever I want regarding curricula. I need to say also my students really ENJOY reading with Sonlight. TIA for discussing the issue with me...
  5. What does your daily schedule look like when you homeschool? We are using SL Core A and SL P4/5 in our house. Do you suggest taking breaks between subjects? Doing subjects at different times of the day?
  6. ... I've just started Sonlight's Core A for my 5.5-year-old, and am getting a feel for where I want his education to go; I'm pretty sure that I'll want to switch from Sonlight somewhere down the road, between 2nd and 6th grades probably. The threads I've seen have me leaning toward Veritas Press but I'm not clear if it can be taught well ecumenically. If not, I'm leaning toward Tapestry of Grace but to be honest I'm not sure I'll enjoy the intensive planning involved, and am concerned by several posts (here and elsewhere) from moms whose children have found the readings too dry to maintain enthusiasm. Any ideas? :bigear: thanks in advance!
  7. Wondering is anyone here has tried things the WTM way, then switched to SL, then headed back to WTM. We started out with a WTM mindset. WTM was my first real intro to hs and it just made sense to me. I thought that I was following WTM suggestions for math & lang. arts for the last 4-5 years, but after re-reading the grammar stage info on WTM I see that I have not. Spelling - yes. Grammar - sort of. We have not done copywork exactly as suggested, but we use ARfH and I have considered the weekly Bible verses (copied in their entirety 2x/wk) DDs' copywork. We have not done dictation or narration. We have not read nearly enough - thankfully both DDs are strong readers. Math - yes. And as I posted yesterday, no history, science, Latin, or Fine Arts to speak of. :glare: Gosh - this sounds even worse than yesterday's post... OK - so this year I thought that I would try Sonlight. I thought that the schedule all laid out for me would be such a blessing. I really liked it that literature was scheduled - and it had comprehension questions included. I love the books that we have read, as do my DDs. I even bought the SL LA program a few weeks back. My gosh - it is so different from R&S (I love R&S). I really loved the idea of Sonlight. But SL is killing me. If we try to do everything my IG says that I should, we are schooling until dinnertime every single day. And we are still behind - way behind. The LA is freaking me out. There is no way that my child can write like they are asking her to write (should she be able to - or is SWB right that creative writing can wait?). So, heading into the logic stage, I am seriously considering heading back to WTM and trying it again (for real this time). I just ordered the 3rd ed. WTM and am combing through my 2nd ed. one. Have any of you switched to SL and then back again? Are you happy with your decision? What did you miss about WTM while doing SL? What did you miss about SL when doing WTM?
  8. I'm trying to decide between Winterpromise American Story 1 and Sonlight, either Core 3 or Core 3+4 for my 8, 7, and 6 year olds. My 4 1/2 year old will be listening in. All my kids do Classical Conversations (which will be American History) and my 5th and 7th graders will be doing Sonlight Core 100 (the 5th grader with modifications). Here are my questions: I've heard WP AS1 is choppy as far as events in history, is Sonlight the same? Does anyone know anything about the new "hands on" stuff that sonlight is offering in the new catalog? I'm a little worried my younger kids will get tired of all the sonlight reading (although they love to read) and need some hands on stuff to do. (The 6 and 7 year olds are active boys!) Which leads to the next question, I have 8 kids 12 and under. I love to do hands on stuff but it often doesn't happen because we just get busy. Are the hands-on activities of WP easy to do, easy to find materials for, and are they something the kids can mostly do on their own? As far as sonlight Core 3 vs Core 3+4...Does Core 3+4 move so quickly that they will miss out on stuff? Thanks for your insight! Susanna: Mom to D (12), S(10), D(8), S(7), S(5), D(4), S(2),D(6 months) and wife to a wonderful husband!
  9. It's that time of year again, when I get to begin obessing over the next year. I was wondering if any of you wonderful people would have some insight into the difference between the *new* Sonlight Language Arts program and the WTM programs (WWW, FLL). Which do you prefer if you have used both? Basically I am wondering if they cover the same things, if one is more thorough than the other, which one lays a more solid foundation, etc? Any and all thoughts and opinions are appreciated! Monica
  10. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on Sonlight's LA programs. I would be using core 3 (possibly 2 advanced) but I can't seem to find much information about the programs. Their website just lets you see the overall weekly plan which doesn't give me enough information. I am drawn by the creative aspects but concerned that it lacks enough structure. We are currently using Rod and Staff English and I am 'winging it' with writing (various journaling assignments, writing assignments) but it's just so dry and boring. I am looking for the best of both worlds I guess and I don't know a whole lot about what's out there ....opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated! thank you!!!
  11. Hello! I am new to this forum but not new to homeschooling. I am already starting to plan our next school year and am leaning towards using Sonlight. We have done it in the past and been pleased with it. My sons are going to be 2nd and 3rd grade next year and both ahead academically so I was thinking of doing core 3. The issue I am struggling with is that we intend to put the boys in a prep school when they enter 7th grade. I am a planner and I am trying to figure out how to cover history over the next four years with my oldest and five years with my youngest. I want to be able to stick with Sonlight but we wouldn't cover all of World history before they enter school. I have used SOTW but not sure if I should use it alongside the Sonlight. I know it may seem silly but I am at a loss and would love for some advice. Any thoughts?? Thanks, Carrie
  12. I'm probably switching from SL to TOG this fall for various reasons, mostly for the multi-level capability of TOG. We've been happy with SL, & have enjoyed most of the books, but at this point we would have to do multiple cores & I'm not up for that. My only concern is that I wonder if the TOG books are as good as the SL books have been. If anyone has experience with both curricula, could you please share your opinion on how the book selections compare? Thanks!
  13. This was new to me, so I wanted to pass it along. Sonlight has a link on their website where they will send you the first three weeks of any IGs for free as a sample. I remember pouring over Sonlight a couple years back, trying to figure out if it would be a good fit for us. This would have been really helpful. I'm not sure if this is old news or not. I haven't had to rethink what we're using for a couple seasons. But I was trying to help my sil figure out what might be a good fit and discovered this feature.
  14. No planning, no library book hunting. No schedule making with the children. We sat on the couch and read, read, read. Praying it continues to be a great fit. I knew I was spending alot of time planning, but didn't realize how great it is to go to the shelf, pull off the book we need to read and put it back when we're done reading. NICE :);)
  15. After reading a lot of threads about both programs, I am seeing these general conclusions: 1. Sonlight uses more books. 2. HOD wants you to savor the books and not feel rushed through them. 3. HOD holds off on some books to allow for more maturity before reading them. 4. HOD uses a lot of the same books as Sonlight. 5. SL uses Usbourne books. 6. HOD uses CLP books. 7. SL uses historical fiction to create an emotional connection with the reader. So here are my remaining questions: 1. Is HOD mostly historical fiction as well, or a blend with something else? I have the catalog, but since I don't know the books, it's hard for me to tell. How would you classify their books compared to SL? 2. What books does SL use that HOD doesn't? What will we miss? What types of books are these? Are they possibly eliminated due to maturity of content, sharing of different beliefs, or something else? 3. Does SL use more books with a missions/cultural/international focus than HOD? 4. In your personal opinion, which program has the "right" amount of books? I hear that some SL users feel rushed to "get through" the books. Does more books translate into more learning/coverage of material? Does SL feel "fuller" and more "complete" than HOD? Or is it just "too much"? 5. Which program has more interesting/engaging/intellectually stimulating spines? Or are they both doing this in their own ways? 6. HOD seems to tend toward Christian authors where possible. How do you feel this affects worldview? Does SL give a more balanced approach to history and still teach biblical discernment at the same time? Which program do you think will help a child know the Word, be able to discern the truth, be able to speak the truth with conviction, and yet still have a knowledge of other cultures and religions and be able to engage comfortably with those who share differing viewpoints? I guess my concern is with how much HOD is going to share different viewpoints. Since all the guides aren't written yet, it's hard to tell. 7. HOD starts off light in LHFHG as far as literature goes. Do you feel SL gives more depth in reading overall? Or does HOD catch up to SL in this as the levels progress? Thanks! Kathy
  16. I have been homeschooling my two older children for about 9 months now. We are almost finished with Sonlight Core 1. I plan to begin homeschooling my 4-year-old very soon. I was planning on moving on to Core 2 with the older two children, but do you think I could combine and use Core 2 for all three kids? Or, should I use Core K with the 4-year-old and Core 2 for the two older ones? I would like to work as efficiently as possible, and I think that keeping the 4-year-old occupied while doing a separate core with the other two might prove to be a daunting task! As always, any advice is greatly appreciated!
  17. I would be interested in other reasons as well, if you care to share. Thank you.
  18. Would I be crazy to get a SL core and SOTW 1 next year for first grade? I just cannot decide between the two. I could spread them out over a longer period, and not do all the activities or something. Am I crazy? It is still kind of early in the morning... :)
  19. Currently we are using Sonlight and have done a couple cores. I love Sonlight, I love all the great books. I love the fun books along with fact books and more serious books that I would probably never choose on my own. I really want to expose my kids to a variety of great literature. However, I don't use Sonlight science ( I use Apologia), the Sonlight LA is not working and so I am implementing WTM. I also find myself NOT using the Sonlight IG. The questions and summaries seem useless to me. Instead I am doing the oral and written narrations recommended from WTM book. We do the geography but I add A LOT more and I also add to the timeline because there is just not enough in my opinion. So, it seems basically I am just using the schedule and the books. I think this works fine for now (especially since I am adding in some stuff from WTM) but I can't imagine this working out later when my son is older. I really think we will need something more substantive than what Sonlight is going to offer. There just doesn't seem to be anything to it accept great books. I may be able to continue to use the suggestions in WTM to give more substance to Sonlight. I have also looked at TOG and really feel there is much more substance to that. We did use TOG when my son was 6 for brief period to study knights. We just did Year 2 unit 1 of the Redesigned. It was fun. We loved all the geography and the hands on. However the books were boring and even the books for older kids seemed boring as well. THere was too much factual history and not enough of the fun and great literature like Sonlight has. I also felt REALLY worn out after the 10 week unit. It was alot of work getting the books together and putting together all the hands on stuff. I really feel it will be too much. Do you think beefing up Sonlight by using the WTM book will be good enough and does it work to combine these? Can I use TOG and add in Sonlight books without it being too much to read in a year. Maybe do less of the factual history books of TOG and put in some Sonlight books. I don't mind if the Sonlight books exactly match up with what we are studying in TOG, there are just some titles TOG does not have that I don't want our family to miss. But just not sure if it would be too much? Is there a way to make TOG more open and go and not so much work!?
  20. Hello Forum! We've been doing SL for the last two years. This is what we've studied in the last 3: SL5: Eastern Hemisphere SL 3+4: Condensed American History in 1 year TOG Year 1: Ancient History "through the fall of Rome" In Fall '11, if we stay on the same path we've been on (pre-scheduled weeks purchased from a curriculum provider) we would be at SL Alt 7- one year's worth of World History. Is "World History" more broad than "Ancient History"? I feel like my ds has learned and knows so much about ancient history already, and I can't bear the thought of him reading all about what he already knows so well, even if it is at a more mature level. As I write this I realize that's what the 4 YR cycle is all about, but ancient (world?) history seems so fresh in our minds. What cycle of SOTW would we be on? I'm thinking volume 4, but I'm not certain. Any ideas and thoughts you have to share would be greatly appreciated.
  21. I've been looking at Sonlight and I think it'd be a good fit for my girls because they love historical stuff. However, the books don't come with the instruction guide. I'd be adapting it to be used secularly and have read that the IG is very religious. Soooooo....what I'm trying to ask is if it's possible to just use the books? If so, how would I incorporate them into a lesson? Also, are there any alternative suggestions to Sonlight? Experienced hsers, please help!
  22. I had never heard of Sonlight, but recently received their catalogue. How does it fall in with The Well Trained Mind? Also, how does it differ from just buying the books included in the packages? Any thoughts (positive or negative or neutral) on Sonlight would be appreciated!
  23. I'm so confused about what I want to do for American History. Going back and forth between a million things... Now I'm looking at Sonlight Core 3. I like that I would have a schedule already done for me. The program would be for dd8 who loves to read, read, read. I think she would probably really enjoy Sonlight. A few questions to those who used this program: Did you add in any extras? Like more hands-on things? How long does it take you do each day? Does the program have any worksheets or is it narration? That's all I can think of at the moment. I would really appreciate any input on this. Thank you!
  24. In the past, we have not done a formal science curriculum during the elementary grades. Okay, I have tried (RS4K, Apologia Elementary), but they've never gotten done. We have, though, done lots of nature classes at the local parks, etc. We have always followed their interests and done studies when they are interested in things (butterflies, plants, etc). However, I am feeling the need to start something more "structured." I am looking at Sonlight. This would be for my rising 1st and 4th graders. My 1st grader is not a strong reader yet. She LOVES animals (plans to become a vet). My rising 4th grader is a young 4th grader (has not yet turned 9), but is a strong reader. Would you combine them in a Sonlight science? If so, what level? Or should I have my 1st grader do SL Science 1 and do a different level for my son? Any other suggestions? Thanks!
  25. This is regarding my younger kids- upcoming 5th, advanced 3rd, and K. The teens are doing other stuff. We have tried both SL and TOG. The kids loved SL. I felt like it was not quite enough digging into the material, even though we all loved the books. I think we were using too low of a core for my older child, though. I loved TOG because all of us were learning SO much, and if I added a SL read-aloud, the kids were happy. If we were not doing anything else, I would stick with TOG (adding SL read-alouds if the TOG read-aloud was dry). However, to confuse things we are starting our first year of Classical Conversations, both Foundations and Essentials for my upcoming 5th and 3rd graders. My Kindergartener will be doing Foundations. This means we will not use the writing aspect of TOG. We will not do a ton of the mapwork, either. So, should I do SL Core 3 this year, SL Core 4 (and SL K?) next year, then reassess for ancients? OR should I do SL Core 3+4 this year, then figure out ancients when my K is in 1st? Or should I stick with TOG? I do worry about overloading us with TOG, given the added work of CC- I hear Essentials can be time-consuming. I also hear that SL Cores 3 and 4 are wonderful. On the other hand, we did well with TOG, and I have a feeling I will lean toward using it when we go back to ancients (b/c of the age gaps with my kids), but will it be too much with CC? Please, weigh in. I’m not getting anywhere having this argument by myself. :willy_nilly:
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