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  1. I have done PSAT and SAT prep for 8 to 10 homeschool students for the past couple of years. The parents of many of the students who came to me were mostly interested in help with math, but I did prep for everything except the essay part of the test. After working with these tests for a while it became clear to me that the test writers of the math sections expect the students to be able to work fluidly between the equation-based representations of shapes and their graphical representations. I came to the realization that this was not how I was taught math and, with the exception of one student I had this year who used Singapore Math, that is not how the current curricula teach it either. Most of my student were unable to look at an equation on the test and tell me what shape it represented. They were very uncomfortable with me always asking "What is that?"...at least at first. I often got "It's an equation!" back. Sometimes "What is what?" What I see in textbooks are separate sections covering the graphs and the equations. What I also see is that the students have learned about these different things over a period of many years, so bringing the concepts together all in one place was helpful to them. So I decided to make graphical equation sheets that mapped the important features from the graph into the forms of the equations which appear on the test. The most basic of these is for the line and it shows up on the largest number of problems, but the one which I think is most valuable for students trying to get into higher echelon of test scores is the parabola. I will say that even my most mathy moms, and I had some moms who are *very* good at math (better than I am), found nuggets on those sheets which they had never realized before. I also learned a lot about these relationships myself! I will encourage you to have a look at these yourself if you are teaching high school math as there may be some tips that can help you better understand the relationships involved in a way that can help you teach your students. There are four equation sheets that I have created. I will attach them to four separate posts in this thread and will give a brief introduction to each to allow separate discussions for each one. I hope these are helpful to someone!
  2. AP exams and the PSAT must be arranged directly with the hosting school. Other exams such as the ACT, SAT subject tests, and the regular SAT can be scheduled online, so you don't need to use this list for that purpose. Additions and corrections to this list can be made in the thread and I'll update this post. UNITED STATES Arizona Chandler - Hamilton High School Gilbert - Learning Foundation Performing Arts High School California - Northern Albany - Albany High School Berkeley - Berkeley High School (open to non-area students, AP Exams) Campbell - Valley International Academy Campbell - Pioneer Family Academy (PSAT) Cupertino - Legend College Preparatory Dublin - Valley Christian School El Sobrante - El Sobrante Christian School (PSAT) Hayward - Moreau Catholic High School Hillsborough - Crystal Springs Uplands School Los Altos - The School for Independent Learners Menlo Park - Alto School Mountain View - German International School (PSAT and AP German) Mountain View - Mountain View Academy Oakland - Mentoring Academy Palo Alto - Gunn High School (no homeschool PSAT testing) Palo Alto - Kehillah Jewish High School Palo Alto - Meira Academy (women only) Palo Alto - Palo Alto High School Petaluma - Petaluma High School (extremely easy to sign up for PSAT that is offered on a Saturday and welcoming; said they would also do AP tests) Petaluma - St. Vincent de Paul High School Redwood City - Woodside High School (contact: Lupe Flores-Robles) Ross - The Branson School (AP Exams) San Francisco - Burton Academic High School San Francisco - Fei Tian Academy of Arts California San Francisco - Jewish Community High School of the Bay Area San Francisco - Mission High School San Francisco - Ruth Asawa School of the Arts San Francisco - Saint John of San Francisco Orthodox Academy San Jose - Cambrian Academy San Jose - Lynbrook High School San Jose - Valley Christian High School San Mateo - Aragon High School Santa Cruz - Kirby School Sunnyvale - Fremont High School Tracy - Kimball High School Vallejo - North Hills Christian School Walnut Creek - Contra Costa Christian Schools Watsonville - Monterey Bay Academy California - Southern Altadena - Pasadena Waldorf High School Brentwood - Brentwood School Burbank - Providence High School Costa Mesa - Calvary Chapel High School (PSAT) Glendale - Herbert Hoover High School Huntington Beach - Liberty Christian School Irvine - Irvine High School Long Beach - Millikan High School Los Angeles - Harvard-Westlake School Los Angeles - North Hollywood Senior High School Los Angeles - Ribet Academy Redlands - Arrowhead Christian Academy (contact: Bonnie Gift) San Diego - Hoover High School San Diego - La Costa Canyon San Diego - Patrick Henry High School San Diego - San Dieguito Academy San Diego - Torrey Pines High School Thousand Oaks - Conejo Valley Unified School District Connecticut Wallingford - Choate Rosemary Florida Port Charlotte - Port Charlotte High School Tampa - Tampa Preparatory Georgia Atlanta - Vantage Point Education @ St. Columbia's Episcopal Church (PSAT) Hawaii Oahu - St. Andrews Priory (PSAT) Michigan Waterford - Oakdale Academy (PSAT only) New Jersey Basking Ridge - Ridge High School (district residents only) Belleville - Belleville High School Milburn - Milburn High School (district residents only) Maryland La Plata - La Plata High School Frederick - New Life Christian School Missouri Camdenton - Camdenton High School ("...has always been very good with allowing homeschoolers to do the PSAT and AP tests.") New Mexico Albuquerque - Albuquerque Academy New York Chappaqua - Chappaqua Library New York - Eleanor Roosevelt High New York - Stuyvesant High School Port Washington - Paul Schreiber High School Also: Catholic schools in NYC North Carolina Charlotte - District High Schools (PSAT) Charlotte - Providence High School (AP Exams) Raleigh - Ravenscroft School Oregon Lake Oswego - Lake Oswego High School (AP Exams) (district residents only) Lake Oswego - Lakeridge High School (AP Exams), Lake Oswego (district residents only) Portland - Portland Public Schools Pennsylvania Scranton - Scranton Prep Rhode Island Coventry - Coventry High School Portsmouth - Portsmouth Abbey School (AP Exams) West Greenwich - Exeter West Greenwich High School Texas Dallas - Fort Worth Independent School District (PSAT/AP for homeschool students - check for current year as testing rules may change) Houston - Humble ISD (easy online registration for the PSAT and AP deposit. They imply that they only serve home schoolers who are in district, but don't come right out and say it.) Under TEC Section 29.916, school districts are required to allow home school students the opportunity to participate in PSAT/NQMST and Advanced Placement (AP) testing that each district provides enrolled students. The statute also requires districts to notify the public via website or local newspaper: of the dates of PSAT/NQMST and AP tests; that home school students are eligible to take the test; and the procedures for registering for such tests. This public notice must be posted or published at the same time and with the same frequency as the notice given to students attending the school district. More info at Texas Education Agency. Virginia & Washington D.C. Washington D.C. - Gonzaga College High School (All boys) Section 22.1-254.1.F specifically states that school boards are required to make PSAT and AP testing available to all home instructed students. Wisconsin Verona - Verona Area High School INTERNATIONAL Morocco Tangier - The American School of Tangier The Netherlands The American School of the Hague, Wassenaar NL Spain Valencia - The American School of Valencia (Veronica Cinosi) (PSAT)
  3. Now that SOME of you have gotten your PSAT scores :glare: , I guess it's time for a 2017 PSAT "How did it go?" thread.
  4. DD will take this examination in 3 weeks. The below Slide Show was very interesting to me, but it does not mention whether or not the test taker needs to supply their SSN. I prefer that DD minimize who she discloses her SSN to. Question: Is the SSN required? If so, I will have her apply for an Employer ID Number from the I.R.S., (use I.R.S. form SS-4) and use that number instead for the PSAT/NMSQT. Will that work? Thanks! This is the link for the College Board PowerPoint Presentation I Downloaded. https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/ppt/prepare-psat-nmsqt.ppt Note: First, I downloaded that file to my Android phone and then I installed Microsoft PowerPoint and I was unable to open it on my phone. Then, this morning, I downloaded it to my laptop and I was unable to open it with Microsoft PowerPoint, using the free Microsoft Office Online. On my laptop, I was able to open the file and view the Slide Show, perfectly, with LibreOffice Impress and also with WPS Spreadsheets. :hurray:
  5. Our twins could not be more different, beginning with one being a girl and the other being a boy. I could go on and on, but the difference I wanted to discuss in this post is this: DS15 is uber steady while DD15 is ADD to the extreme. Steady is something I get (although DS15 is far more steady than I am) while ADD is more foreign to me. My experience with ADD is through marriage: MomsintheGarden is quite ADD, but I think DD15 has that characteristic in spades. Now that the twins have started doing intensive PSAT prep, what I see with DD15 is very inconsistent test scores. Below are some scores to give you an idea of what we are seeing. The tests are the official SAT practice tests from the College Board. DD15: Practice SAT 1: R&W: 670 Math: 740 Overall: 1410 Practice SAT 2: R&W: 730 Math: 640 Overall: 1370 Perhaps the tests were somewhat different, you say? Well, here are the results from her twin: DS15: Practice SAT 1: R&W: 730 Math: 740 Overall: 1470 Practice SAT 2: R&W: 730 Math: 730 Overall: 1460 Let me be clear: DD15 is at least as bright as DS15 and DS17. In fact, I think she is probably brighter. While her overall score is typically lower than her brothers' scores, she nearly always beats both her brothers handily in at least one section on the test. For instance, on last year's PSAT, she scored 12/15 on the Math No Calculator section while her brothers each got 10/15. As you can see from my lead paragraph, I tend to attribute this inconsistency to DD15's ADD characteristics. Not only do I think she gets bored while taking the test, I think she gets bored WITHIN EACH SECTION of the test. In our proctored home tests, she cannot stay seated for the entire time. She wraps up the section, does a quick check, then gets up and leaves. Me: "Go back, sit down, and check your work." DD15: "I already DID check my work!" Please tell me about your inconsistent testers. Here are a few questions: - Do you have any testers whose math and or R&W scores move around as much as DD15's do? (up to 100-point swings!) - If so, is that student ADD? - Do you think ADD tends to lead to inconsistent test scores? - Conversely, does anyone have ADD students which are very consistent testers? - Does anyone have very steady students who achieve extremely inconsistent test scores? - Are there other factors I should be considering? - If you have an inconsistent tester, what have you done to try to help? (Please tell us both what has worked and what has NOT worked.) Note that the plan with all of our students is to do a lot of practice testing, detailed review of missed items and skills practice using Khan Academy. In theory, that should improve both skills AND consistency, but that remains to be seen with DD15. This morning I told DD15 that I thought she missed so many math problems yesterday so that she could spend some quality time with her dad today! :laugh: She retorted that it was safer to miss math problems because I (Reg) am such a slow reader that missing a reading question was just too painful during review. She got a 50/52 on reading yesterday. :lol:
  6. It seems that only 15 of the 17 questions on the Math No Calculator section of the 2016 PSAT were scored. Questions 4 and 17 did not get scored with the following annotation on each: I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I am a bit surprised to see any unscorable questions, let alone two. For many students, dropping question 17 would help their overall score, but not DS17: he does 14->17 then 1->13. We haven't retrieved the books from the school yet, but I will be interested to see what these questions look like when we do.
  7. I am wondering if my daughter needs to take her social security number to the PSAT test Saturday. The school test coordinator says she doesn't. But somewhere I saw a link to the personal info questions and one asked for a student number or social security number. Does anyone know what is needed?
  8. Ds16 is studying very hard for the PSAT this summer. He plans to take it in October to try for NM, and then take the SAT shortly after. His skills are good; he is at Level 4 in all the Math and Reading & Writing skills on his Khan Academy SAT dashboard. He took a practice PSAT test today from the Ivy Global PSAT book and only missed one question in the Writing section and one between both Math sections. He missed more in Reading as that's been hit or miss depending on the prep book questions, the passage, etc., but he has also done very well on that, too. His problem is time. If he really hustles he can usually get through the Reading and Writing sections in the time allowed, and has also gotten through the Math No Calculator in time - once out of the six practice tests he's taken. What he really needs help with is finishing the Math With Calculator section. He works until he's finished, marking what problems he finishes in the time allowed, then how long it takes him to finish the rest. He takes almost twice as long as he's allowed with the Math With Calculator section - 1 hour 20 minutes today. He used to be a very sloppy math student in the middle school years, so put a lot of time into training him to be careful, show all his work, and double check everything. Now I feel as if all this training is backfiring. :) He's a really good kid, and he is working so, so hard. I would love to see him rewarded for his hard work and manage to make the cutoff for semifinalist. Does anyone have any tips on how to help him get faster? Thanks! GardenMom
  9. Hi All, I am hoping someone can answer this question for me. How often can you take the PSAT and qualify for the National Merit Scholarship? In other word, can you take the PSAT as a Sophomore and then again as a Junior and use the Junior year result for the Scholarship? Or can you take it only one time to be considered? I hope this makes sense. Thanks, Susie
  10. I am the testing coordinator for our cover school. One of my responsibilities is informing/reminding parents about having their high school kids take the PSAT. My oldest just finished 6th grade, so I haven't gone through the process with my kids yet. I know that parents will have to contact a local school to make arrangements to take it and there may be a fee for it. What other important things do parents need to know? Is it better to take it in 10th or 11th grade? Is preping for the test helpful? Thanks!
  11. My ds who is usually a pretty good test taker got a much lower than expected PSAT score. He is an 8th grader so I did not do any real prep with him. Mostly I wanted to see where we were and also to take some of the "scariness" out of the test process for him. Now, I see that we definitely have some work to do...and lots of prep for next time. Any advice? Words of encouragement welcomed...LOL!!
  12. We've decided to have DS take the PSAT in 10th this fall as a baseline of where he's at in comparison with other 10th graders. We already know that his reading comprehension is generally pretty good, his vocab average, and his writing below level. We're still working our way through WWS1 but DH has slacked off on it and I'm going to have to go back and re-work through it with DS. He'll only have 1-2 months of Geometry when he tests, so I expect that portion of the math section to be lower. At least we've finally gotten past the mental block he had with algebra and will wrap that up soon. Because we're using this strictly as a baseline measurement, I'll show him the practice exams so he knows what to expect on the test, but I kind of feel that too much prep would defeat the purpose of using it as a baseline. I'm really just curious what other Hive members would do in this case.
  13. Aloha all, I teach co-op classes here in Hawaii and will be tackling P/SAT prep soon. So far I've looked through College Prep Genius, Barron's, McGraw-Hill and the College Board materials. Does anyone have a recommendation one way or the other on any of these materials? Thanks so much! Maureen Combes - Currently teaching Latin, IEW Writing, Logic and Rhetoric, and P/SAT prep www.mentatescholars.com
  14. Aloha all, I teach co-op classes here in Hawaii and will be tackling P/SAT prep soon. So far I've looked through College Prep Genius, Barron's, McGraw-Hill and the College Board materials. Does anyone have a recommendation one way or the other on any of these materials? Thanks so much! Maureen Combes - Currently teaching Latin, IEW Writing, Logic and Rhetoric, and P/SAT prep www.mentatescholars.com
  15. This is going to sound like a dumb question, I'm sure. I'm thinking of having my ds16 take the PSAT in October. He's never taken a test somewhere other than home. He has Aspergers and gets nervous in new situations. I'm sure the beginning of the test has the student filling out name and address, and probably other things. Is there a way I can show him that page so he will know what it looks like and how to fill it in before test day?
  16. I've been looking over the entry requirements for the National Merit Scholarship. From back in my high school days, I remember there also being a requirement that a student not have taken the PSAT prior to junior year. I'm not sure if this requirement has changed or if I'm misremembering. From the btdt folks, is there any restriction you're aware of on taking the PSAT in 9th or 10th grade. I realize that only the 11th grade scores are considered for eligibility. I'm trying to figure out if additional tests are disqualifying. Or is there any kind of restriction based on having taken the SAT before the PSAT (other than for talent search type reasons)?
  17. I was thinking of having my 9th grader take the PSAT in a few weeks, partly to give him practice and partly to let me see his strengths and weaknesses. I didn't have him do any prep work for it yet because I wanted this to be a low-pressure attempt, but he will do some practice exercises prior to taking the test. FYI-Next summer, I plan to have him read through (and practice) an entire PSAT Test Prep book and take the test "for real" in 10th grade & again in 11th grade when it counts for scholarship money. Is this overkill or would you think it's helpful? More importantly, does it hurt students in any way if colleges (or the College Board) sees that he has taken this test 2 or 3 times? I really just wanted to see his baseline score without much test prep, to assess weaknesses, etc., and I wanted this to be a low-stress approach. However, I don't want to set him up for failure by not having him prep much or by taking it multiple times. Your thoughts?
  18. I seem to remember some discussion on this last year, but can't find the thread. I remember some people saying that homeschoolers' scores are compared to each other (in the region), whereas using the public school's score would compare my ds to others in that school. (Meaning, colleges might look more favorably upon a good score among the psers vs. a good score amongst homeschoolers.) Is that true? It may be beneficial to do this, because our local public schools aren't...great. Has anyone spoken to college admissions officers about this? Or maybe have some personal experience? Thanks!
  19. My daughter is taking it this year in 10th but the real deal will be next year. Is it possible to study for this and make the cut off? Can hard work make this happen?
  20. To all parents of college bound sophomores or juniors: Our high school has started taking registration for the 2011 PSAT as of yesterday. Cost is $15. Testing date at our school is Wednesday Oct 12th. NOTE: Schools can vary the cost, but I believe the top amount is $20. Some schools offer it for free. Some sites offer a Saturday Oct 15th testing time. Be certain you know which date the school you go to is using. You MUST call a school to take this test - no online signups. The test is only offered in October. The PSAT is a great test to take as a sophomore (some parents have younger kids take it too, but our school only allows sophomores and juniors) to get a feel for taking a college test (SAT especially) and to see where any gaps in learning might be. When you get the online breakdown in December you can see specific questions missed, etc. As a junior, this is their only chance to try to qualify for National Merit scholarships. There are schools who offer free tuition (or more) to NMF and many others offer merit aid. When you sign up, you should receive a practice booklet containing a practice test. It's good to have students do this at home so they aren't totally surprised when they get there. And, my last note... MAKE SURE your student, if using their own watch for timing, calibrates it with the clock in the classroom. My guy didn't think to do this and thought he had 5 minutes more time than he did based on the end time written on the blackboard - meaning he didn't finish 3 questions on the first math section due to lack of time. If he had gotten even one of those correct he'd have made our state cutoff for NMSF. That can be a frustration that's hard to shake (don't ask me how I know...). Fortunately, his ACT score is high enough to still qualify for top stat scholarships, but not being a NMSF is still frustrating considering WHY he didn't make it.
  21. I thought that I read that ds should take the PSAT in the spring of his sophmore year. A friend told me that he should take it in the fall of his junior year. Should we do both? Is there a penalty for taking it twice? Also, I thought I heard that only the first PSAT is used to determine national merit awards. Is that true? If that is the case: should we delay the PSAT till the fall of the junior year if we feel ds is not ready to test yet? :001_huh: I thought I had this figured out, but I've read and heard different things, so now it's all mud. :tongue_smilie:
  22. I have three kids. My first did well on the PSAT, well on the SAT and almost as well on the ACT. My second was in the 72% rating of the PSAT which was well below her usual 90+% rating on normal standardized test. I gave her a practice ACT and she did badly the first time. I went over the test with her and she did another practice test much better. Now she has taken the ACT tests both with writing and without writing. SHe is currently scoring in the 92% on this test. IF we superscored it, she would be in the 94%, This was a child who I was thinking would have to settle for not very academic schools because of her PSAT scores. I knew she is very smart but that test didn't show it. IF your child also had an unusually low PSAT, try working on the ACT. One of the main problems kids have with the ACT is time management since it is a quick test. That is why one practice test is not usually sufficient to find out what they will score. Do a practice test, go over the test and how to manage the time, and then try again. You may get a very pleasant surprise like we did.
  23. I have learned of a helpful, free webinar that you might want to attend. It's being offered by PrepMatters. It's called "The PSAT is Two Weeks Away, HELP!" You can register to watch and participate at this site: http://prepmatters.com/ht/d/sp/i/102284/pid/102284 I think it is the 4th one down on their list. I've watched a couple of the webinars that they did earlier, one live and one on their YouTube Channel and I thought they were really good. The advantage of the live one is you can actually post questions at the end of the presentation. The recorded ones include questions asked by the audience at the end. It's a nice website too, worth poking around. I wish I had known about them back when ds was in the middle of this process, I could have gleaned a good bit of help from them. Hope this will help someone new to the process! :)
  24. Hi- I just rec'd the public high school's calendar and see that the PSAT exam is scheduled in October. When I went the the COllege Board website, I can't find at what age/grade a homeschooled student should take this test or even "if" we should...... Plus when I look at the practice test questions on the college board, I realized that we've never have "studied" finding grammar/punctuation errors in sentences, etc. SO if we take this exam should we do study/prep for it or what?? Thanks, Myra
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