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  1. I have been using CLE for 5 years. My dd10 started with CLE when she was in 1st grade. My ds8 just started CLE last year in 1st grade. My dd6 tried CLE, but it did not work for her. We are using MUS for her. I'm tempted to switch everyone over to MUS. My ds8 gets math, but dd10 is having a hard time grasping long division. I wonder if MUS offers more of an explanation to the "whys" and, maybe it's a good thing to completely master something before moving on to a new concept? What do you guys think? It drives me nuts that I'm undecided. How do you think CLE compares to MUS? Part of my problem is that most of my homeschooling friends either use MUS or Saxon. I don't know anyone, except on here :), that uses CLE....and I start to question myself. Silly, I know. So, what would you guys do? Decide for me! :-)
  2. Just wanted to get some feedback from the other MUS users. I have a K'er who just finished Primer and a 2nd who just finished Alpha. Since their both moving on to a new book and new level, I was just evaluating our plan of attack. The student work has 2 books... The Student Text which has 3 page of Lesson review (A-C) followed by 3 pages of Sytemic Review (D-F). The Test and Activity Book has 1 to a few pages of "fun" math activities for each lesson number as well as a test page for each lesson. Previously, I was showing the lesson video and then giving my children 1 of the lesson review and 1 of the systemic review pages per day. If both pages were accomplished well, we moved on to the next lesson the next day. I'm wondering if I'm going too fast or if I'm missing the benefit of some of the sheets since I'm not using so many of them. What sequence of worksheets do you use per day, i.e. do you you use 1 or 2 or more pages and which one(s)? Do you use the tests? If so, do you look for a certain % score before moving on? When or do you use the Activity and/or Test pages? Thanks in advance!
  3. My kids are all grammar stage, but I'm curious who is using MUS in High School and how it's going. I hear a lot about how it's good for younger grades and not for the higher math. I guess I'm curious as to why people think it's not good for upper level math. What do other programs seem to provide that MUS doesn't? Do you find it leaving out skills, not enough practice..? If you are using MUS in high school are you finding it's working well? Do any of you have very strong math students using the program? My oldest is very math minded and one thing I like is that harder concepts are presented in easier ways so he can do more at an earlier age, yet he's building a really strong foundation of the basics. My last question is... have any of you completed the series and needed more math? (for instance, do you have a math lover that wants more?) What are you using? Do you supplement at all in HS? I think the driving force behind my question is that we love MUS now. I really want to stick with a math program in order to not have holes in their instruction. I'm hoping there are others out there that love MUS as much at the upper levels as they did at the lower levels. I want to make sure all my kids have a strong math background, but especially my oldest who is very interested in chemistry and the sciences.
  4. In what areas have you felt that MUS is weak or needed supplementation? If you supplemented, what did you use? I tried to search for posts on this, but couldn't find answers. Background: We're overseas, and I'm buying several years' worth of curricula ahead of time to save on shipping, and bringing it all back after a visit to the States next spring. So I'll have to make whatever I pick "work" for us. I have pretty much decided to go with MUS but am a little worried about their different approach/order to teaching concepts. I had thought of buying Life of Fred, but wasn't sure if it was worth the money ahead of time, especially for lower elementary. We're about to start MUS Alpha here, so I will have a 3-month run-through with that before going back to the U.S. I anticipate needing to buy MUS Beta through Epsilon before we'll be back in the States again. Please advise! :001_huh:
  5. OK, we've just started so I have alot to learn.... We started our academic year at the beginning of August. We're just past 2 weeks of going at it. Here's my question. We've already had a couple of those days where either child is just not getting it (tends to be Math, MUS). I've gotten frustrated, they've gotten frustrated, and it stinks. I get that one of the biggest benefits here in this endeavor is that we can slow down when needed. But here's my worry. Will saying, "OK, we're done for today because I can see that you're done" cause them to see that as a way to bail on a difficult lesson. Once, I dismissed a lesson that I knew he understood and he asked the following day if we could skip again. Of course I know my kids and I know when it's sincere and when it's manipulation but I just wanted to get an idea as to how you prevent slowing down or calling it a day from becoming routine. AND/OR how do you know if you're pulling back too much? Thanks in advance!
  6. My 5th grade daughter is almost midway through MUS Epsilon. I like the format of it. My daughter understands the video lessons and can do the work, and though she doesn't always use the manipulatives, they are helpful to her when she needs and uses them. When she "gets" the material, she likes to move on, and I appreciate that she'll still get the review that she needs as she moves on in the course. However, she is a very visual girl, and I've found that she needs more color and excitement than the black and white workbooks provide. Does anyone have any ideas to make this program more colorful? We tried colored pencils, but the writing is difficult to erase. She enjoys using the whiteboard with colorful markers, but I like for her to show her complete work and she'd complain about having to re-write her work on he worksheets. She's started using graph paper to work out her problems, and that helps, sort of. She's asked me to use colorful stickers when I correct her work, but that doesn't solve the problem of her taking much longer than necessary to do her work because it looks so drab to her. I was thinking of switching her over to Thinkwell's 6th grade program, but I keep going back to the fact that MUS is working for her, it's just visually DULL. I know it's not going to be all fun and games all the time, but I think she won't have a problem continuing MUS if it looks more fun. I would also like to add in a math supplement program, and I am looking at IXL or MathWhizz. Any thoughts on these, or has anyone used any fun workbooks? She'll be working on fractions and decimals this year, but review work is fine too. Thanks! Darlene
  7. If a student uses MUS through calculus will they be prepared for STEM majors?
  8. We started homeschooling in Janurary and started with Saxon because that is all I knew. My ds hated it. In school ds was in the advanced classes and loved math. Saxon bored him, however I liked the review that saxon had. Then I learned mastery vs spiral, and read that some of those that get bored with spiral math may not need as much practice. Ds is using Singapore now which is alright I guess. Not crazy about the fact that it has no constant review. He is not near as excited as he was in school about math. I looked at the back of the saxon book that was put up and it has square roots, decimals, etc. None of which are in singapore yet. I am considering changing maths. My son is begging me not to go back to saxon however I think it is more complete. I have looked at MUS, TT, Horizons, etc. I am fixing to go math crazy. My ds was pretty advanced in school and now I am worried he is behind. I want a good advanced math with plenty of review. Any suggestions!!! :001_smile:
  9. I am new to homeschooling this year. I jumped into this without a lot of research/planning and I am just now starting to feel like I have a clue what I'm doing. Anyhow, I could use some feedback on my choices and the few areas where I'm having a hard time making a decision. A little about me and DD and our life...well first of all I am looking for open and go as much as possible and I'm willing to pay extra for things that make my life easier. My DD is smart, but not particularly interested in school or learning at this point in time. She does what I ask of her (sometimes with lots of stalling and dilly-dallying) and never really asks to do more of anything. Her attention span is not very long. So I'm looking for bright, colorful, exciting, engaging, fun, etc. For complicated reasons that I won't get into now she watched A LOT of TV when she was younger. She doesn't watch as much now, but she spends a lot of time in front of the computer. So I guess I might be interested in curriculum that would utilize the tv or computer. My son is very, very active and takes 1 or 2 half hour naps a day. Unfortunately I often need to use one of them to shower. He's an early bird though and is usually asleep by around 6:30 or 7. DD is a night owl, so we've been doing most of our schooling after DS goes to bed. So anyhow this is what I'm planning: Reading/Phonics: Finish OPGTTR, read Bob books, Nora Gaydos, etc. Is there another program I should get when she finishes OPGTTR or at that point just make sure she's reading to herself and to me regularly? Spelling: AAS1 Grammar: FLL1 Writing: We might get to WWE1 during the year, but her handwriting needs a lot of work, so we'll be focusing on that first. I have some Mead workbooks and I plan to get a small chalkboard and cut up some sponges and do the HWT write, erase, trace thing. I will get ZB workbooks if needed at some point. Math: Here I am unsure. We haven't used a formal curriculum this year, just a $10 workbook from Kmart. I just ordered Miquon orange out of curiosity basically and since it was only $10 and I ordered c-rods cause I figured they might be helpful regardless of the program we use. I am drawn to MUS and I like that there's a video component. I also have heard such great things about Rightstart and like the looks of the bright colorful manipulatives. It's awfully pricey though. I'm also not sure about the whole calling 21 "two-10-one" thing. Does MUS do this too? I'm considering getting MM when HSBC has it on sale this month just to have for extra practice if nothing else. I'll also probably get LoF soon, cause I think DD would like it. Science: I have BFSU, but haven't made the time to figure out how to use it yet. I also have the free Mr. Q book, so could use that. History:This is the other one I'm confused on. Everybody seems to love SOTW, but I've also read in a couple of places that bible stories are presented as historical truth or that even if they are clearly marked as being from the bible, that the timeline of some events is off because it's been adjusted to correspond with the bible. We are schooling secularly so while I could skip the stories, I don't want the facts to be wrong and I'm not up on my history enough to know when the dates are off really in all honesty. So because of this I considered History Odyssey instead which still uses SOTW. But I've read that the SOTW activities are superior to the HO ones. So...I considered just buying it all....HO, SOTW (possibly on CD), the SOTW AG, CHOW, the Usborne encyclopedia, whatever else I need to buy. I figured I could follow HO but pick and choose the most fun/easiest to implement activities from both programs. Does that make sense or is that silly? Is there some other great alternative program that I'm not familiar with that would be fairly open and go, engaging, and secular? Art: I just ordered the Usborne Art Treasury and we'll learn about some artists and do corresponding projects from there and also just holiday crafts and stuff of that nature. I don't feel a need for a real formal art program in 1st grade. Music: Don't have anything planned for this yet. Open to suggestions. Would prefer inexpensive though. Critical Thinking/Logic: Mind Benders, Lollipop Logic etc. Anything important that I'm missing that should be included? I'd really appreciate any advice. Particularly on math and history. :bigear: Thanks for reading all this!
  10. These are the two most expensive things I'm considering purchasing for next year and I'd like to save some money on them if it's possible. I've watched some Rightstart auctions on ebay and the sets have gone for almost full price. It would seem that if they go on sale I might be able to get the set new cheaper than I'm seeing it for used. Also, what about Math U See? I'm somewhat undecided on math but leaning towards one of these two. Thanks!
  11. My son is in 1st grade and using MUS Alpha. He just doesn't get it. There are tears, there is no desire or urge to get any work done. Laying all over the work, dropping pencils continually. Everytime he watches the video, he says, "I don't understand." I went to MM from the beginning of the addition book, and he hates it too, it's like pulling teeth to get him to do the next problem, let alone a whole page. I'm not sure what to do for him. Maybe it's an attitude issue, but I'm hoping that finding something more along his line of thinking will help him find joy in it. I've always defended MUS because it's been wonderful for my daughter. Now I wonder if it has more to do with learning styles. She needs mastery, but perhaps he needs spiral? So my thoughts are, I'm wondering if the gentle spiral approach I hear of with CLE with be the ticket. He's a smart boy, learned to read early, but maybe math just isn't his thing. Just not sure where to go from here. He seems very visual. Would the CLE book appeal to him, or is there something else?
  12. My Dd is on L. 11 (weaning from the green) in the Primary book & we are trying to come up with some fun names for the different blocks. We are having problems with naming 2. So what did you name your blocks? Here is our list: 2. Oranges 3. Little Piggies 4. Lemons 5. :confused: (dd said lakes) 6. Grapes 7. Clouds 8. Chocolate 9. :confused: we cant really think of anything, its a close color to #5!
  13. Hi there, I'm a new member, and I'd like to get some opinions on Math-U-See from people who have used it in middle school. I've been using it for 3 years for my ds, who is a rising 6th grader. He is severely dyslexic, yet gifted. I do think the mastery approach works well for him, as opposed to the spiraling approach taken by some other programs. While I have been overall pleased with MUS (and he says he doesn't want to switch), I did notice a few things this year that weren't ideal. It almost seemed like some concepts were made harder than they needed to be. For example, learning to divide fractions. At the beginning of the year, it taught a very long, drawn-out method so the students would understand what they were doing, which was fine. But the program doesn't teach the quick way (multiply by the reciprocal), until near the end of the year. My guy got really bogged down, so I showed him the shortcut early. Also, some of the problems get REALLY long, with a lot of steps to follow, which is difficult for my ds. He tends to lose track of where he is in the process -- his working memory and processing speed are low. Maybe this is how all math programs are, though. I just don't know, because we haven't used anything else. I've heard about Teaching Textbooks, but I don't think that's the right fit for us. Maybe MUS is, but I was just hoping some others could share if MUS worked for them in the long run, or if they switched to something better. Thanks! Carolyn
  14. What are your experiences with these two programs for Kindergarten? I thought I was all set with Math-U-See..but I haven't ordered anything and I am drawn to Right Start. My son will be 5 when we start. He often blows me away with math concepts that he seems to understand. Today he told me that when he turns six (not 5 yet), Daddy will be 32. He was correct! And he does this type of thing on a regular basis. He also seems to understand addition concepts "in his head". We were talking about two weeks time and he figured out that he should add the 7 days in the first week to the 7 days in the second week to come up with the number of days in two weeks. Then proceeded to add it up. He recognizes double digit numbers and can count well up into double digits. He seems to be somewhat of an auditory learner. What would you choose? Thanks!
  15. I've been searching the boards and have seen numerous posts regarding being behind on math, but I'm still at an indecision as to what to do. My oldest daughter who is 12 years old and should be finishing 7th grade. Although math is a hated subject, she seems to pick up on it fairly quickly. However, she is very resistant to learning in general. She was diagnosed with ADHD and currently just started taking medicine to help her focus. We are currently in Lesson 12 of Math-U-See Gamma. Just beginning multiplication. We do not use the manipulatives with MUS and she seems to learn from her DVD lessons with Mr. Demme. She generally needs someone to show her what to do versus being able to read, comprehend, and do herself. And Mr. Demme seems to make the concepts understandable to her. I do have to occasionally demonstrate the concept over again (i.e. borrowing during subtraction). She has her addition facts memorized and we are currently working on our multiplication facts. Currently, we do the A, B, D, and E worksheets (skipping C and E) and she takes the tests. Usually she scores a 95% or higher. My first thought was to push through Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, and Zeta through the summer and all next year. (Of course all pending that she demonstrates mastery over the topics studied.) That would put us only about a year behind instead of the 4 years that we are currently. But after reading some threads on WTM boards, I am beginning to wonder if we might have another possible route that may make it a quicker remediation instead which is a Lial's math? So should we plow through MUS or should we quit and move to Lial's Essential Mathematics? (Lial's BCM is too ahead, right?) This is important for us to "catch her up" quickly in that DD1 is starting to lean towards field biology or equine studies. I want to be sure we can get her math lined up so she can take those science classes in a timely manner. Thank you for any advice or direction to point us in.
  16. We are working through RS A right now and I really love it. My dd5 likes it too, but she's not really begging to do more math, which is fine. She understands what we're doing and enjoys it enough, but is more interested in reading and art. I do not want to use RS past the B level. I am pretty sure I want to switch to MUS and stick with it through elementary math. I really love RS, and I wouldn't mind doing it through B, but I do want to start MUS with alpha. Should I just switch after we finish RS A? Should I go through B and then start on MUS Alpha? I'm not sure that I want to do 2 years of first grade math. Is RS B not to be missed? If you've worked with these two programs I would appreciate any advice!
  17. Hello, hello! My oldest is in MUS Epsilon, and I plan to add LOF Fractions alongside it. Wondering if anyone knows at what point in Epsilon it would be best to start LOF. Thanks for any info.!! :001_smile:
  18. How hard would it be to jump into MUS at the pre-algebra level? I use MUS with my 4th grader, but I have never seen the upper levels. Would the transition be smooth for a student coming from Saxon? Thanks!
  19. We have used MUS up to this year. My older two went to Teaching Textbooks. We all love it. It has made my life easier. I needed to find more time in my day and that has helped. Next year I would like to have my youngest boy in TT 3. We will have another baby by then and it will help a lot! My youngest son is in Grade 2. He is doing MUS Alpha. It's going ok. He is on Lesson 7. We just started it recently and he is doing about 2 lessons a week. My plan is to do as much as that and MUS Beta before the fall of 2011. Then move on to TT 3. BUT:tongue_smilie: he is an easily frustrated child. He does have some delays in speech and reading. He is a very active child and I'm sure someone somewhere would love to label him;) We are choosing not to. Just enjoying his lovely amount of energy. I have been wondering if I might find a better fit or at least some fun math supplements to play with. I have looked at several different things Saxon, RightStart Math, and Delta Math in a Nutshell Kits. Our VA would pay for these things. So, don't consider cost in this scenario. I like the samples of Saxon. But, it seems like it might take much longer to do each lesson. I'm trying to keep his math time to around 3, 30 minute session each week. It's really all I can schedule into our lives at the moment. It, also, seems to be about all he can handle. RightStart looks all cute and fluffy. But, I'm not sure if I want that much of a formal lesson. I like that with MUS I can just watch the DVD or read the short lesson in the teacher book. Do, a page or two with him and move on next time. I have done this with two other students, so I know what it's all about already. Delta Math Kits. We love the Science ones. So, I was thinking I could pull it out once a week and let him play with it. It might be a good thing to do while I make dinner or on a Sunday afternoon. Any thoughts? I will take other suggestions, too. I don't really want to buy a bunch of games at the moment. I really need them to be purchased by my VA. They have bought some games for us like card games that were Art and History related though.
  20. I'm debating whether to jump ship with MUS, which we have been moderately successfull with so far. Both boys, going into 4th & 7th have used MUS since Alpha. ds1 (12.5) has finished Zeta and has done "ok" so far. Has still has to look back a lot for rules when dividing & simplifying fractions, area of a triangle, etc., so retention doesn't seem so great. But I know this anyway - as his times tables are still far from cemented. He usually comes up with the right answer, but it takes a while for him to think about it. He has never really used/liked the manipulatives, which my ds 2 (age 9) loves. So, I don't feel like he's super strong in math at this point. It's time for pre-algebra, and I'm wondering about switching - possibly to Thinkwell. ds1 loves the idea of it being on the computer. I have really liked the DVD instruction method of MUS - and so has ds1. It's been rather independent and this is good thing for me, as I work outside the home 2 days a week, then work from home on others, and have a toddler. So - simplification is really important, if that's possible to find with another math program. So, does anyone have experience with Thinkwell? Anyone left MUS at pre-algebra for something in an independent format? Should I stick with MUS or combine in with Thinkwell? As for ds2 (9), he's almost finished with Gamma - definitely does not have tables down, but neither did his brother. Do I go on to Delta with him, (which I won't have to spend any $ on and things are tight), or maybe combine with Math Mammoth, or just Math Mammoth alone for him (I think he will like the visual aspect of it)? He doesn't seem to get so much from the DVD instruction. I usually have to really work with him on it myself. I hear that Math Mammoth isn't as independent as it says, but for him, MUS isn't really, anyway. Any thoughts or suggestions would be so much appreciated.
  21. Has anyone done this? How difficult would this be. I like the mental math aspect of Singapore but I really like the mastery approach of MUS. I have used both programs but can't see a reasonable way to combine them. Ideas?
  22. I will be using MUS to reinforce some of the basic concepts for my kiddos over the summer and possibly be switching if it gels with them, and I know they have new 2009 editions out now. My question is: what exactly is changed? Are the dvds and TMs still the same and the changes are to the student books? I'd love to save some money on the TMs, but only if they would still work with the new student books. If anyone has exposure to both I would greatly appreciate your input!:D Thanks! ....and have a wonderful day!:001_smile:
  23. In an effort to not hijack the OP on autism and MUS... On the same note, I'm trying to remediate my 10 year old who just never got the upper multiplication tables. I'm planning to use MUS Gamma this year but also considering trying Times Tales to memorize the math tables facts. He is Asperger's/ADD and I think has dyscalcula - he really struggles with learning orders of operations and remembering how to do something with more than 2 or 3 steps. However, with prompting he can do fairly complex math problems. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any success with Times Tales for our Asperger's kids?
  24. Having problem with 8yo ds being bored with MUS. He has done Alpha and is just finishing Beta. I love the program because of the teaching video, simiplicity, and the thoroughness. I am not a math person! He is not having any problems learning but he is going very slow and is dreading math everyday. I don't know if this is just to boring for him and we need to make a change or if we should just keep going. I don't know what other program would be as teacher friendly and more fun. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, Angie
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