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  1. WISC or similar test? DS took WIAT almost two years ago and the scores qualified for DYS but I think they need one more test. Thanks in advance.
  2. If you have a child who fits all of the characterists of a gifted child but does not have the WISC scores to match, is that child still gifted? For example, a young child who: - makes up codes - has an extraordinary imagination - solves math problems in unique ways - has a large area of interests - is intense about things he/she likes - is overly sensitive (takes everything as criticism) - is highly sensitive to the plight of others - learns on his/her own, if interested in the subject and so on. I have read that learning disabilities like dyslexia and ADHD can throw off the test scores, yet many children with these diagnosis score in the gifted range on tests. Anyway, I've been wondering about this for a long time and thought I would finally ask. And yes, I have one child who fits the description above, one who I'm not sure about yet, and one who is clearly an average student. Thanks for your input. Denise
  3. I just briefly looked in my area to try and find out how much it would cost to get my son tested. The place I looked at said it would be $1500! Is that typical? If so, I will not be testing. I wanted more information about my children and how they learn and their potential, but am not willing to trade $1500 per child for that information.
  4. Hi, I am just wondering about necessity to test a child for giftness. How many of you did it and what age? I was debating with my husband who doesn't see the necessity to do so. Thanks for your input. Lena.
  5. Basically the title says it all. DS is due for K in the fall but we are planning on HSing. We have been USing/HSing up until this point and he is definitely REALLY advanced in reading/language and science. I was in the gifted program as a kid and I know that I was identified for testing by an elem. teacher. And it is my impression that most kids are identified this way. How does it work when you are HSing from the start? Can I just request he be tested?? What is the "best" age to be tested - is 5 too early?? I know it changes over time, can I just have him tested now and then again in a few years? I know it is not necessary to have him tested, but honestly I do think it is important to have him tested. I have a general idea of his strong areas and am trying to stimulate him in those areas, but would like a little guidance as to what level he is really on. Right now I am just letting him pick - and most of what he picks is 3-6 grade level, in some cases HS level. I would love some ideas on how to challenge him and perhaps some help getting him into stimulating extracurriculars as he gets older. I am also thinking ahead - there are some age based community programs (like at the zoo) that he will be super bored in, but if they allow him to join the next age group he would have a blast and be stimulated. He will not find reading Dr Seuss and petting animals very interesting, but the animal detectives program would be a HUGE hit. I think it would be easier to convince people to allow him into more advanced programs if I had the school endorsed label of "gifted" or "advanced" - or perhaps someone knows another way to get around the age requirements? TIA!
  6. We just received the test results done by the local school district for my homeschooled 9 year old. He had been previously diagnosed with an Oral Expression LD in kindy, and I have known for years that he had some neurological differences. Six years ago, he went through extensive medical testing (everything but the MRI, which we did not do) and received several years of speech therapy, OT and PT. He attended two years of private school prior to my beginning our homeschooling journey two years ago. The local school district has been wonderful in working with us for his preschool years and again at this point with testing. My mind is still reeling with the information I received this morning. I am trying to decide if it would be worthwhile to pursue vision therapy or other avenues of assistance for him. I am open to suggestions. Our medical insurance covers nothing so all will be out of pocket, which would be an issue. He does not have ADHD or any other diagnosis besides some generalized anxiety. I have extensive information from the testing and can pm someone the subtests but hesitate to put too much information here. My son received the WISC 4, the Woodcock Johnson and the Kaufman tests, as well as some speech therapy testing (CASL and Goldman-Fristoe). He did significantly better on the Kaufman than the WISC. His WISC score was also much lower than I had anticipated and 26 points lower than the testing during his kindy year. (A different test was done but the name escapes me right now.) Here are the results: WISC 4: VCI - 100 PRI - 84 WMI - 99 PSI - 100 FSIQ - 94 Woodcock-Johnson 3: (scores given in grade equivalents - he is completing the third grade) Oral language - 3.8 Listening comp - 5.5 Brief achievement - 6.0 Broad reading - 4.8 Broad Math - 6.1 Broad written language - 6.0 Brief reading - 4.6 Reading comp - 3.8 Brief math - 5.7 Math calc skills - 5.6 Brief writing - 5.9 Written expression - 5.7 Academic skills - 5.2 Academic fluency - 6.4 Academic apps - 5.4 Academic knowledge - 4.8 Kaufman test of educational achievement, second edition: standard scores given Reading composite - 119 sound-symbol composite - 109 decoding composite - 113 reading fluency composite - 107 Thank you to anyone who has made it this far. He doesn't qualify under the school's standards as LD, but he does qualify for speech therapy for an articulation issue. I just want to know what all of this means and how to help my son.
  7. As requested. :) This poll is taking into consideration that scores are different now and this will give us a wider range result than breaking down said scores, but to gives us a rough idea... If you are considered academically gifted please vote, again this poll is NOT public.
  8. Well curiosity got the cat, so this is NOT a public poll. :D After all this talk on the general board, what are we really dealing with on this board? I'm curious and putting forth a poll, for those who's children have been tested.
  9. Where do I find someone to adminsister an IQ test to my 12-year-old ds? Any preference/difference between the various IQ tests? TIA.
  10. My 5 year old kindergartner was tested at his charter school. We were told scoring 96% or more in any of these areas qualifies him for gifted education services. He did qualify. I don't understand what the areas mean though. Verbal Quantitative Non-verbal I know there are several tests out there and when I googled I can't find any definitions for these. Anyone know where I could find more info? Thanks in advance. :001_smile:
  11. to see what level of giftedness they are at? Is it really expensive or is there an online test that works well? I am at the end of my rope with DS (7) . . . he's in grade two and is hating school. He sighs, rolls his eyes, does sloppy work and is not putting forth an effort. I think he's bored but I don't know what else to do. Math comes very easy to him as does reading (currently finished reading The magician's nephew by CS Lewis). He loves to read. I have homeschooled him from the beginning but am putting him in school next year. I think he's just bored here. We are part of a co-op once a week, Awana, German Language school on Saturday's, track and field when in season, sports in season, etc. I don't know what else to do for him. I would like to have him tested so that I can see if he would qualify for a gifted program at school.
  12. I was planning on having my son take the Iowa Basic Skills test but the proctor in our area doesn't do them until 3rd grade. Not sure what is up with that, since I believe they have them for 1st as well, but okay. So a friend suggested I go to the tester she used when her kids were younger, and she gives the Peabody and Wide Range Assessment. I am not at all familiar with these tests, so can anyone give me any feedback about them?
  13. Are Deborah Ruh's levels of giftedness in young children what you remember? Here is the link: http://www.educationaloptions.com/resources/resources_levels_giftedness.php
  14. Ds is 11. The only time we had him tested was when he was in ps so he could qualify for the GT program (he did). I'm not even sure which tests he took. Since we hs now, I'm wondering what are the benefits of testing? How has it helped you and your child? Thanks.
  15. I was just wondering if anyone's tried the MENSA home test and if it was at all indicative of your/your DCs actual score? DD finished it earlier and commented how easy it was. She had more difficult sitting still for that long than anything (that's what being homeschooled and able to move about does I suppose xD) and we're considering sending it off to be scored but wanted to know if it's worth the money first. Thank you hivers. (:
  16. Ds5 took the WPPSI a few weeks ago and we just got his scores yesterday. I have been going through them and trying to interpret them, but I need a little help. I know he ceilinged on at least one subtest, because he answered every question right, but could he have ceilinged on any of the others? Also, he scored a lot lower on one subtest than the rest. Does this indicate a problem area? The tester was the school psychologist, not a specialist in gifted testing, especially at his age. She didn't seem to think the lower score was anything to worry about. So, here are his scores. Any thoughts are welcome. Verbal: Information - Raw 34, Scaled 19, Age Equiv >7.2, 99.9% (this is the one he answered every question right on) Vocabulary - Raw 31, Scaled 14, Age Equiv >7.2, 91% Word Reasoning - Raw 24, Scaled 15, Age Equiv >7.2, 95% Composite 137 Performance: Block Design - Raw 32, Scaled 15, Age Equiv >7.2, 95% Matrix Reasoning - Raw 22, Scaled 15, Age Equiv >7.2, 95% Picture Concepts - Raw 16, Scaled 11, Age Equiv 6.2, 63% Composite 123 Processing Speed: Symbol Search - Raw 29, Scaled 14, Age Equiv 7.2, 91% Coding - Raw 48, Scaled 14, Age Equiv >7.2, 91% Composite 122 Sum of scaled scores: 103 Full composite: 133
  17. Dd8 didn't qualify for our district's "gifted" program. I'm so frustrated and discouraged. I've been fighting teachers and holding my breath for the last two years with the hope that she would at least have the benefit of this program one day a week. She's been sitting in the classroom nearly idle for the last two years while her peers have been catching up. To top it off, many of her friends did qualify for the program "for really smart kids" so she's feeling inadequate in the classroom (which is utterly preposterous, by the way). I have such an urge to pull her out now! I feel like I shouldn't allow her to waste any more time learning at a pace that's far too slow for her. The academic gap between her and her classmates has narrowed significantly since kindergarten. While teachers will tell me it's great she's now being challenged in the classroom, I say it's because she's been moving far too slowly while her peers have been catching up. I don't know what I hope to hear from the Hive. Just venting, I guess. :banghead:
  18. Silly question, out of curiosity, but how do you know? Do you take them to be professionally evaluated by someone? Take online personality/intelligence tests? Are all gifted and highly gifted children amazing in all their school subjects and a joy to teach...or the class clowns that are always disruptive? How do you know? Thanks for your thoughts~
  19. Dd may be tested using this test. I would love to hear the Hive's experiences with the process or the test itself. TIA.
  20. Ds5 is being given a pre screening by the special education coordinator at the local public school to determine if he qualifies for testing with the school psychologist. I'm wondering how to explain this process to ds - he does well in new situations as long as he has an idea of what to expect. I don't mean what specific things he will be asked about, just how he is expected to behave and what will happen. Also, I'm a little nervous about sending him in with someone he's never met before. He does well with new people once he gets used to them (which can take anywhere from 10 minutes to several days depending on how they try to engage him), but he has not had to interact with a new adult without me being there with him before. I have already told him that he will be talking to a grown up at the ps and she will be asking him questions to help me see how he thinks so I can do the best job teaching him. Is there anything else I should tell him? Should I specifically tell him I won't be in the room with him? I am leaning toward giving him as much info as possible without skewing the test. TIA for any suggestions! (And yes, I have read the Hoagies page, I just want more input from some seasoned veterans here ;).)
  21. I got my son's WISC IV results back today. We had him tested at a local university after going back and forth for a long time about whether it would be useful to have the score or not. Finally we decided it wasn't that much money, we might want to enroll him in a gifted program of some kind at some point, and, at any rate, it couldn't hurt, right? Well, maybe. They don't usually do feedback sessions, but Ari's results were so fascinating, apparently, that they wanted me to come in and talk about him. This left me spending two weeks speculating as to what his test results were and why they were so darn interesting. Basically, it turns out, his verbal comprehension score is way lower than his other scores--it is, in fact, "Not Interpretable"....because he refused to answer a lot of the questions. He's a VERY shy kid; we've suspected we could get a selective mutism diagnosis for him, in fact, because he pretty much doesn't speak to people he doesn't know well. Had I researched the WISC a bit more beforehand, I would have realized how heavily it relied on verbal answers and predicted exactly what would happen. Oh well. So now I'm kind of...not sure what to do next. If anything. I don't have a full scale IQ score at all (it was also "Not Interpretable" because of the verbal score). The perceptual reasoning score is quite high, but even with that I wonder to what extent I should trust it since he clearly was dealing with a lot of anxiety about having to interact with a scary stranger. I'm wondering if I should look for a non-verbal test he could take. I don't know. Having come this far, I'd just sort of like to have a valid score. What are the options for non-verbal tests? I just read a bit about the Ravens...my concern with that is that it seems like it focuses almost entirely on the same kind of thinking as the Perceptual Reasoning part of the WISC. I think his verbal skills are quite good--maybe even better than his visual spatial skills--so I'd like something that could give us an accurate picture of that. I guess mostly I'm wondering if there's a test that would take the examiner out of the equation--where he could sit and take a test without interacting with someone he doesn't know, so that social anxiety didn't throw things off. ETA: also interesting is that his "similarities" verbal subtest score was actually pretty good--95th percentile. That's the one that requires the shortest answers. Oh--and she said that he often looked like he was about to respond and then wouldn't say anything. I.e. it's pretty clear he often knew the answers but didn't want to talk. Any thoughts?
  22. Is there some sort of free/cheap IQ test that my dd (1st grade) can take online or that I can order and administer myself? This is for my own use so I don't need it to be "official" in the sense that someone else needs to believe it is credible. But, I do want it to be accurate enough that it provides *me* with an accurate assessment of my dd's abilities. (I've given her some of the placement tests on some of the curriculum sites. But, those have been just reading ability...not math or reasoning or IQ or whatever.)
  23. I already had a feeling dd9 processed slow, and suspected dyslexia. I had her evaluated by the school district (didn't find out till too late that they don't actually test for dyslexia). Her testing took longer than expected because the evaluator said she was topping off in areas. I admit to being shocked that her IQ score came 20 points below mine. Is that normal? Now, I'm no crop of the earth, but at least expected her to be within the "bright" range. Maybe the fact that the guy who assaulted me was a drug addict and alcoholic knocked off some of my smart genes. I don't know. I am over the initial shock (tested in April). So, I don't know why I'm still bothered by this. It just doesn't seem right. Maybe I've been dumbing her down all these years and need to put her in school.
  24. How do you keep from comparing them and expecting more from on than another or pushing one harder than the other? At this point, we have not tested, but this is one thing holding us back from doing it. I am worried that I will end up treating the kids differently according to their IQ scores. Does this happen or am I way off here?
  25. What, really, are the advantages to testing for giftedness if we homeschool? I understand the benefits if the child is in a brick and mortar public school. I was placed in the Mentally Gifted Minors program in elementary school and received wonderful enrichment. My husband, who tested gifted and accepted into a similar program in a different school district, was unable to participate because the district did not provide transportation and the program was too far away to reach by foot. Consequently, he was bored throughout most of his schooldays. But since we homeschool and can tailor things to the needs of our children, what advantage is there to testing for giftedness? We know many educational professionals and they have always told us, informally, that dss are gifted and I understand that these things are largely genetic, so we've just always assumed some level of giftedness. Not in a boastful way--more of an understanding that they are bright kids and we need to challenge them. The point being that we don't need testing to alert us that we should provide them with challenging material. Because dss are in an independent study charter school they have taken the STAR exam, our state's mandated test. They also take on online assessment twice a year. They score high on both tests. One son scored 100 % in all math categories of the second grade STAR exam and told me that he thinks he answered all the questions right on the third grade math exam (he was never told that he got 100% on the previous year's math test). The other son consistently scores in the mid to high nineties. They both score high in Reading and Language Arts. This tells us that they are retaining what they learn. So if we already know that we should challenge them and we already know that they are retaining what they learn, what is the point of taking specialized tests for giftedness? I don't want to short change my sons if I'm overlooking something. Also, there was a negative side to my own gifted experience (a segregated classroom that was despised by the rest of the school) and while I don't think that is affecting me, I don't want to subconsciously blind myself to something that might benefit my dss. Thanks so much for any input you all might have.
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