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  1. http://vereloqui.blo...elites-are.html Above is a link to an article that stresses an interesting reason for teaching grammar. Lots of Christian content, so beware if you are opposed to reading any. Whaddya say? I, for one, am so glad that me and my kids have studied grammar so intensively!
  2. How heavy is the Christian content in Intermediate Language Lessons by Emma Serle (Particularly the updated version edited by Margot Davidson)? is it the occasional Bible verse/story, could it be reasonably edited out or substituted for? DD is doing very well with the Charlotte-Mason style Simply Grammar, I'm looking for something to follow it.
  3. I know many people recommend R&S after FLL4, but I am wondering if there is anything else equally good to consider? Dd loves diagramming sentences, so I want to continue with a program that includes it. Bonus if it's open-and-go. I'm starting to make my list of curriculum to buy for next year, but I'm not sure where to go with grammar.
  4. Is there a good grammar review program for high schoolers that can be done within a couple months? My son's grammar is average at best, and I'd like to get him a "crash course" if you will to help him tweak his writing and grammar usage over the summer. I saw Critical Thinking's Editor-in-chief and wasn't crazy about it. Time4Writing has a grammar usage program which might work, but it seems broader than I'd like it to be. I'd rather not use a program that will take an entire school year to complete. An online program or interactive software program is preferred over a textbook. Thanks! Darlene
  5. I thought I had all my choices made for next year, but I'm considering Analytical Grammar as an option for my kids. I'm leaning toward not doing grammar every year and wanting to take the time to concentrate on writing skills. I get how to do that for my DD who will be in 6th grade next year. I could do the AG for her as they recommend for 3 years. They say it takes about 10 weeks to do the first season, what do you do the rest of the year? Concentrate on writing? I like the idea of it and I can see her really thriving with it since she wouldn't be bogged down with studying grammar for 1/2 an hour every day plus writing for 1/2 hour. It would streamline LA a lot more, I believe. Has this been your experience? But what about my DS who will be in 3rd. He did FLL 1 but has only been doing Phonics and Mechanics review this year (2nd). So my question is, if you use or plan to use Analytical Grammar for 6th-8th (or there about), what is your LA progression leading up to it? Do you do a program like Primary Language Lessons/Intermediate Language Lessons by Emma Serl that concentrates more on usage and writing with some grammar mixed in? Or a program like Essentials in Writing that has grammar teaching then concentrate on writing built into the program? Or do you do grammar every year leading up to it? Like R&S? Or do you do one year of grammar (3rd grade) and then concentrate on writing the other years (4th-5th), then hit grammar again for 6th? What would you recommend be used in this situation? Please share you experiences and/or opinions! Thanks for your guidance...
  6. So, I just discovered EIW today and am impressed so far. Can someone please tell me more? Does it include enough grammar (Grammar, Usage, Mechanics AND writing?) or do you have another program for that? What are it's strengths? Weaknesses? How does it compare to Hake Grammar? I've been thinking about going with that for my 6th grader--I like that it's a complete LA (grammar, mechanics, usage, writing). What are it's strengths? Weaknesses? Thanks. I'm thinking about using this with my DS 3rd next year and DD 6th...
  7. So I think I've narrowed it down to these two for my 5th-grader-to-be.....thoughts, anyone? I love that the Abeka is colorful, she is ALL about that. I love that the Hake incorporates dictation/journaling. The Abeka sample only shows a grammar section, not a writing section- so not sure how much Abeka breaks down the writing process/writes to the student, so that could be a concern. Based on the tables of contents, I'm thinking they look equally rigorous. Love to hear feedback!
  8. We were able to see our ACT test results today. Without posting the scores, he did better in some areas than I expected, worse in others. So while congratulating him on doing well, I am wondering what I can do to help in the areas I think we are slacking in. Specifically English/Language Arts. For 7th grade range, gifted kid. What would be a good grammar program, and perhaps reading comprehension/literary analysis type option? Suggestions, ideas? I wouldn't push but I do think he is underachieving in this area. He hates the physical act of writing so he avoids it even when I say he can type.
  9. We are expats living in Mexico and I am pulling dd (2nd grade) out of private school. She is billingual (speak, read, write). She has been using the Abeka spanish version for Grammar (Aguila). I don't care for it, and am looking for something else. Any recommendations?
  10. How do you use Rod & Staff Grammar? Option 1: Every year, completing one level and going on to the next until you finish 8th grade? Option 2: Taking two years to do one program? If you do this, do you skip levels, or just go to the next one and not use every year (do you stop at level 6)? Option 3: Do a whole level one year, do something else the next year (maybe concentrate on writing), then the 3rd year do another R&S level? Like 3rd grade R&S Grammar 3, then 4th writing, then 5th R&S Grammar 5, then 6th WWS? Or something like that? Option 4: Other... Please share how you use R&S Grammar and why? I like the program, but I don't know if I can handle teaching the whole program every year, and do my kids need intense grammar every year?
  11. I'm not sure how to search effectively for the kind of list I'm looking for. Is it already on the boards somewhere? Does anyone want to help me compile it? I keep hearing of new-to-me programs that seem to have been around for a long time. Those on my radar include First Language Lessons 3 (possibility) Primary Language Lessons (had in hand at one point, not for us) KISS Grammar (downloaded L3, looks promising) Growing with Grammar MCT (have pieces of Island level, will probably incorporate as fun extra but maybe not primary) Rod & Staff Grammar 3 (possibility) Shurley English 3 (probably not for us) Winston Grammar (does this start with older kids?) Voyages in English (ditto) Grammar Usage Mechanics (G.U.M.) Sentence Family (I have this) Grammarland (We have this from Librivox and on Kindle) I know I'm missing some. What else is available? What did you choose to start with formal grammar in 3rd grade? Why? TIA!
  12. Can anyone point me to a handy glossary of terms for FLL4? My ds and I both are getting overwhelmed by the number of terms to remember in FLL4. I want to have a printed out glossary list as a reference for both of us during lessons. Help? Melissa
  13. Hi, ladies, I am new to this board, having just put the pieces together this week that my ds (almost 9) is dyslexic. Not officially diagnosed b/c we are hoping to be moving soon, but he ticks all of the boxes. So here is my question for the experts: is Barton's grammar complete enough that I can raise money to buy it by selling back my set of MCT Island level grammar books? My son is halfway through 3rd grade, if that helps. Thanks for any advice you've got! Christina
  14. Is anybody else planning their 3rd grade chemistry? So far I'm enchanted by Ellen McHenry's Elements (12 weeks, 8yo and up) perhaps to follow with her Brain (9 weeks, 8yo and up) and, if Button is up to it, Carbon Chemistry (no time listed, for 9yo and up). I figure that be a year's worth of work. I'm tempted to use REAL Science Chemistry as a spine, but perhaps that would be a pointless addition. I thought I'd supplement with Basher's Periodic Table and Basher's Chemistry Cartoon Guide to Chemistry (for older children -- will have to see how this goes) Maybe biographies for Marie Curie George Washington Carver Antoni Van Leeuwenhoek Louis Pasteur Lord Kelvin (? -- the distinction btw. physics and chemists blurs/doesn't apply this early, not sure when we'll do Kelvin) Antoine Lavoisier Josiah Wedgwood -- not an academic chemist, but functionally a master materials scientist; would love to find a good bio for him Montessori-style cards were made by this blogger (links to her instructions) using this Elements site -- basic subatomic structure of each element. I haven't figured out whether or not I want to to this myself. we ourselves don't work very well from DK-style books, so none are listed ... but what are y'all doing? or, if you've come through Grammar chemistry already, what have you liked? ETA resources suggested by others, down-thread: Elemental Science curriculum GEMS Chemical Reactions unit Mr. Q's Chemistry Noeo Chemistry II Royal Fireworks' Press Dr. Dave's Teaching Manuals: Chemistry (text + CD with visuals; you can download a sample) Guest Hollow's chemistry (this is a free scheduling of resources for a year of chemistry: do visit for the resource list at least, incl. DVDs) Homeschool Share's free chemistry unit (lapbooking/notebooking) ACS middle school chemistry-- this is free, but FWIW boardies much prefer McHenry's Elements. It is suggested to try ACS, then Elements since ACS is simpler; the ACS includes videos of dramatic demonstrations you prob. won't be doing at home :) ACS's Wonderscience activity book (on Amazon, used, much more cheaply) -- boardies love this resource. "Chemically Active: Experiments You Can Do At Home" book by Cobb "Exploring the World of Chemistry: From Ancient Metals to High-Speed Supercomputers" by Tiner Memoria Press' guide to the Tiner book above (they sell the text, too) -- scroll down a bit. "The Disappearing Spoon": this is not a book written for children; good resource for the parent or for a child old enough to enjoy. A living book. Theodore Gray's "The Elements" " "Elements Vault": Treasures of the Periodic Table w/ Removable Documents and Real Element Samples Incl. Gold " Photographic Card Deck of the Elements " The Elements Puzzle (1000 pieces) periodictable.com (from Gray & co, just like the Elements book but with other stuff too) periodicvideos.com from the University of Nottingham: videos for all elements, links to the authors' writing in the peer-reviewed journals Science and Nature Chemistry, &c.
  15. Are the things covered in WWS also done in MCT? If you are using the full MCT curriculum, is there a need to do WWS also?
  16. I have really struggled to figure what to do about grammar for dd7. She is very bright and good with language. She likes to "play" with words. She enjoys spotting literary devices in what she reads. She reads and spells well above grade level. OTOH, she is extremely slow. She shows signs of ADD, though I haven't had her tested. Because she is so slow, she has a really hard time with worksheets. She will do them, but I have to be very judicious in how much I assign lest she break down in tears. She hates to do independent work. She gets great pleasure out of academic discussion and interactions. Because of the slowness issue, I decided not to do grammar for 1st and 2nd grade. I am still not sure whether to pick it up next year or the year after. I have been eyeing MCT, thinking that it seems right up her alley. But the reviews are so mixed, I really have my doubts. I want to be thorough in teaching grammar, but I am not sure that she will need as much repetition as other kids since she seems to just "get" language. And with her slow speed, that is a good thing, because I am not sure she would be able to do a lot of repetition. I would also really love to teach diagramming, but that is not included in MCT. What does The Hive think?
  17. I found these two short booklets by Michael Clay Thompson on ERIC about grammar. One is for 4-6 grade, the other 7-9th. Here is the description for the second one: This unit of study introduces high-ability junior high school students to the aspect of grammar which is usually missing from technically oriented studies of grammar, namely, the wonder and pleasure of grammar or grammar appreciation. It presents grammar as a powerful way for one's mind to make ideas out of language, and a way of inspecting one's own ideas. Many of the facts and concepts of grammar are mentioned to give students a concrete sense of what grammar is and how its elements operate, with the goal of creating an enlightened enthusiasm for the study of ideas in language. There is no strict series of assignments or procedures. The primary activity is for the student to read and to think. The role of the teacher is to act as an encouraging and appreciative mentor, in a manner that is more artistic than methodic. The unit recommends that, after the student completes a reading session, the student and teacher come together and talk about the elements of grammar. Sections of the unit of study address: ideas, language, and grammar; the sentence; clauses; parts of speech; parts of the sentence; and phrases. A grammar pretest and posttest are provided.
  18. Please share what you use for grammar for 3rd-6th graders. You will be able to choose more than one option. Can you also explain why you chose it. What else do you use to round out the other Language Arts subjects (composition, spelling, vocabulary, etc.). This will help me see what you do to give your kids a complete Language Arts program. I'm really struggling to make decisions so I need your guidance. Thanks!
  19. Hey ladies, I just stumbled across a link (http://www.englishclub.com/download/english-prepositions-list.htm) with a free dowloadable ebook listing 150 prepositions. It also shows common usage and includes some quizzes, etc. I use KISS grammar and this will be a great resource for having the kids memorize prepositions in order to find prepositional phrases in their sentence analysis activities. It would be equally good to tack on to any grammar program, and has the simple and common prepositions, as well as the more advanced. Enjoy!!!
  20. Is there a grammar program that uses diagramming as the main focus to actually teach grammar? I've found diagramming practice books (CLE, GWG, etc.), but these assume the child already know the components being talked about. I've covered all the parts of speech with ds and started him on some diagramming, and he really likes it. I know some programs include diagramming, but it seems like it's an afterthought more than the main program. Thanks!
  21. It looks like the other else thread got deleted, but it had a good question (which I don't remember exactly). So … What is the correct use of "else's", as in 'someone "else's" idea'?
  22. My 1st grader has been in private school until this year (the sort of place where pre-k was all about the academics and not playtime or finger painting). Last year he learned about starting sentences with capital letters and ending sentences with a period, exclamation point, or question mark. I'm not using any formal grammar curriculum with either of my older boys for the time being, but I figured I could incorporate explanation of nouns into the copywork he does twice a week. For copywork, I've been having him write a sentence or two from books we're reading. The challenge has been finding nice, simple sentences with obvious nouns. I thought I understood nouns well enough despite the 20 years it's been since I studied grammar in any way, but one of today's sentences, for instance, was "Glory to God in the highest!" and I realized I wasn't sure if glory was a noun and there was something else similar in the other sentence. Should I: a) Stop having him pick out nouns in his copywork but keep using sentences from our literature. b) Have him show me nouns, but make up really easy sentences that are more obvious. c) Switch to something like FLL for grammar and copywork so I don't need to stress about it. d) Skip grammar altogether because he's 6 and won't be tested this year anyway. It's just annoying when my plans to come up with stuff myself instead of buying curricula backfire on me.
  23. It is time to move out my Rod and Staff 8 set and I would like to replace it with a solid grammar reference book for my permanent library. Do you have any suggestions?
  24. Don't get me wrong, I very much like the MCT poetry and vocabulary books. But I have hurled Grammar Island across the table for the last time. The sky-high recommendations of MCT somehow lulled me into thinking the grammar would not be of the nineteenth-century variety. For pete's sake, linguists didn't come up with structural grammar last night! I refuse to read another false statement* about English grammar to my child, just as I would (I hope) have my limit of a book on the human body that insisted on the theory of the four humours. I don't want to debate structural vs. traditional grammar. Everyone who is happy with traditional grammar, bless you, carry on. But is there anything at all for teaching structural grammar at the elementary level? Anything? -------------------------------------------- *List of false statements upon request, if it would help identify a usable grammar curriculum, but I really don't want to debate why they're false (in this thread, at least).
  25. We just started Sentence Composing for Elem. and so far, so good. My dds have been doing okay-to-great (depending on which dd, which program) with the technical aspects of MCT and WWE, but were completely lacking any... lets say beauty in their writing. I don't think I've been very inspiring, lol. But they seem to be enjoying having models to imitate, and the dd who usually struggles most is becoming very creative with it, so yay! :D I look forward to using the middle school, high school, and college levels down the line, but I'm not sure whether I should bother looking into the grammar books. Can someone tell me how they differ from the SC books? I really do feel we have technical grammar covered with MCT, but maybe these are a good supplement? Or would it be complete overkill? I have a tendancy to overkill. ;) ETA: I was thinking along the lines of the grammar worktexts and sentence constructing in alternate years, not all at once!
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