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  1. Hi, I have been doing Rod and Staff grammar for a while now and feel that each year progresses very incrementally, and we are on grammar overkill with Latin. I am thinking of jumping from the 4th grade book to the 6th grade book and just spreading it out over two years. I would like to do the same with the 6th grade book to the 8th grade book. I am wondering if the jump from 6th to 8th would be too much as it looks like there is a lot of new information in the 7th grade book. Would I be missing anything by doing this? Do the levels review enough from the prior year to skip like this? If anyone has done this before could you please share your thoughts. Thank you, Laura
  2. Here's the background: DD just turned 9 and is in 3rd grade. She's a smart girl, but not very academically-minded. She basically just wants to get school over with and go do something else. We have not used a writing curriculum yet and I haven't made her do much original writing. The reason behind this is that she struggles with the mechanics of writing. Her printing is still not great and looks more like a 1st or 2nd grader's probably. She doesn't like writing and tries to avoid it when she can. I have been making her write more this year just with the phrases and sentences in AAS and words and sentences on her grammar worksheets. She copies history definitions sometimes too. We did try WWE1 some earlier this year, but it seemed too easy, too boring, and like it wasn't really going to help her be able to compose a paragraph on her own. I had also bought CAP W&R Fable, but was saving it because I thought we needed to complete WWE1 & WWE2 first. I looked at it again and thought she might be able to do it so we've been working on lesson 1 this week. It's going ok, but today she was supposed to rewrite The Lion and the Mouse with the mouse as the stronger character and a smaller creature helping him. Even after I told her that she wasn't supposed to copy the original story and just switch lion to mouse and mouse to the other animal, that's basically what she did. So....will that get better if I just keep going with this program? Should I try WWE2 instead? Is there a big difference between WWE1 and WWE2? Is there something else I should try instead - IEW or EIW? I also have the book "The Most Wonderful Writing Lessons Ever" or something like that which looks good but doesn't have the level of explicit hand-holding instructions I prefer in curriculum. And then there's grammar...we used FLL1 some in 1st and 2nd I think. My daughter and I both wanted to stab a fork in our eye with all the repetition about the definition of a noun. We stopped around lesson 80 I think and started using Evan-Moor Language Fundamentals Grade 2. We completed that book and started the Grade 3 workbook. But here's the thing....DD doesn't seem to be retaining much. We did the section on verbs then came to the review quiz and she says "What's a verb?" (Insert head smashing into brick wall emoticon here.) There just doesn't see to be enough teaching/explanation. I will add that grammar isn't my strong suit so I could use something with more teaching as well. Any suggestions? I looked at samples of CLE grammar and thought that looked pretty good. MCT grammar seemed to have more explanation as well. We are using AAS for spelling and we're behind with it, just finishing up level 2 and going straight into level 3. We are not behind because it's hard for her but because we weren't being consistent in doing it. We've been doing a lesson in 2-3 days and doing 2 lessons/week lately to try to get caught up/get to a level where she struggles with the spelling. Right now the spelling words seem to be ones she already knows for the most part, but I go over the rules anyhow and basically use it for handwriting practice. Any suggetions on writing and grammar would be very much appreciated. Thanks for reading.
  3. I am in search of some advice on HS level grammar. My DD will be in 9th next year and she loves grammar. She is considering being an editor as a profession. The problem we are finding is that most of the grammar curriculum for this age/grade level is review and very repetative. Do you all have any suggestions?
  4. I am learning grammar along with my dd this year. We had a question from today's copywork: Why is out an adverb, but not over? Am I allowed to type out the copywork sentences here, or is that against the rules?
  5. I apologize if this question is just because I'm low on brain power, but this is bugging me. DS had the following sentence in his LA book this morning: The work crew blew up the large rock that was blocking the road. For each bolded word, he had to choose whether it was a noun or a verb. It's the last "the" that is bugging me. The TM says it's a noun. Can any grammar gurus explain why? Or is it a mistake?
  6. I have an intelligent and precocious 8th grade daughter who is a prolific reader. She is a great writer and thoroughly enjoys SWB's Writing With Skill. We are hoping to change our grammar path. I have used R&S Grammar for 15 years. However, my daughter is needing something different (and so am I...haha). There are few programs that catch my eye... Winston's Grammar and Easy Grammar Plus. Perhaps some of you have different suggestions. It would be great if that program was in the $50 range. Thanks! Camy
  7. I am editing a report, and the family's name is not used- only the initial. So when he means the Browns (not the real name), the author keeps using "the B's." I find this confusing. It looks like it is a possessive, not a pluralized initial. However, I cannot find anything trustworthy stating that one doesn't use an apostrophe in this case. The closest I can find are rules for acronyms. Can anyone give me a link to anything somewhat official that I can show the author to support my feeling that this is incorrect? Or is it actually ok to write it this way?
  8. I'm looking ahead a little to next year and trying to decide on a grammar/language program for my dd who will be 11 next school year. I can't decide between A Beka Language B or Essentials in Writing. I've tried to search on the forum, but almost nothing comes up or it says that the page cannot be found. So, I'm looking for input from those who have used one or both of these. I know that A Beka is very strong in grammar and diagramming and I like that, but I'm also drawn to EIW because of the strong writing component and the DVD teacher. A little background - my dd has done the JAG and Mechanics programs as well as Write with the Best Vol. 1. She is currently using Kilgallon Sentence Composing for Elementary, some coypwork and dictation as well as parts of ILL. My tentative plan for the following year when she is 12 is to do WWS (likely stretching it over 2 years). Soo, do I go with a thorough, really strong grammar or the seemingly more relaxed approach of EIW and focus more on writing? Any comments on aspects of either of these programs is appreciated. Thank you!
  9. I have been using Christian Light with my son through first grade. He turned 8 in October, and we are just now finishing the Reading One. He struggled with reading, so we have been working through Phonics Pathways for about 6 weeks as well. I believe he is right at second grade fluency level, with some days being better than others. Reading and L/A takes us the majority of our day; it is laborious and the workbooks seem a little too much for him. He doesn't enjoy reading,and this effects his attitude also. I love CLE because I feel like it is so strong academically, and it is open and go. I am having a hard time changing directions, but I feel like for the sanity of my son( and myself) I need to. I have looking at English Lessons Through Literature, and it seems much less intense, but I have never done narration, dictation, or picture study method, and I don't have a clue what to do with the poems other than just read them ( maybe that is all I am suppose to do). I just need advice on which direction to go with building confidence and better fluency on reading without sacrificing grammar and writing. I need a curriculum, because I need a Teacher's manual :) !! I have never taught reading or English and I don't find it easy to wing it. Also, any reviews or advice on ELTL from those who have used it, and what you think about starting at Level 2.
  10. Curious if anyone has used this and how do you like it? I see there is possibly a cost to set up so I want to check before signing up. thank you!
  11. I have a new 7th grader in the family who seems (according to the Easy Grammar placement tests) to be very below grade level. On the test, there was not one single skill section that he seems to understand and that was on both the elementary and middle school placement tests. I was planning to use Analytical Grammar but now seeing that we need to start earlier, I'm wondering if I should be looking at the Junior product instead. The description sounds like it's the same as the first unit of AG but written to a younger audience and more student/teacher dialogue. Does that ring true for those of you who have used these? Would you start with junior or just go AG nice and slow? I'm quite surprised at just how far below grade level he seems to be. In writing, he's not capitalizing the first word, random capitals mid-sentence, misusing apostrophes (ex. plural for frog became frog's), and not doing ending punctuation. Coincidentally, we're also using WWS level one. I'm really second guessing just how far back and start with. Obviously, I don't want to waste time unnecessarily but I also don't want to pick up where the public system left off of progressing through grade levels when he's not mastered previous years' material. What would you do? Thanks in advance. I really appreciate feedback from the experienced voices.
  12. My son will be starting second grade in a few months. I'm lookiing into a formal grammar program. He has not done formal grammar. We use MFW and plan to use Adventures. But, I'm not loving their suggestion of PLL for grammar. I'm looking at FLL. If I were to go this route, should I start at level 1 or level 2. I know the grade doesn't matter. But, it says FLL 1 is for 1st grade and 2 is for 2nd and so on. I don't see a way to assess where he should be placed. He hasn't been exposed to anything formal, but I don't want it to be too easy for him either. I was able to see a very small sample of both FLL 1 and 2. I didn't see any of the copy work in 1, but I did see it in 2. He can definitely do that copy work easily (at least at the beginning of the book ;)). But, we've never talked about what a noun is at all. So....I don't know. My thought maybe we should start at 1 now and move quickly through anything easy for him. Then, move on to 2 when we finish. That way I am sure he has the foundation. Thoughts from those who have BTDT?? I'm also looking at Rod and Staff English 2. The two seem very different in style. I do tend to like workbooks and my son does well with them. Are these programs easy to switch back and forth from? Like, if we choose FLL and decide we want to give the workbook approach a try, could we easily change from one to the other after a year? Of course, I assume we would want to settle on one or the other for the long haul. And, if we like what we choose, we would just stick with that. Which program allows for more independent work now? Or as we go up? I assume they are both fairly teacher intensive now because it is still only 2nd grade and my son has never had formal grammar. However, I do have 5 younger children including twins doing K, twins who are about to turn 3 and an almost 5 month old. So, if one is slighly more independent than the other, that might be good. ;) Is one or the other better in the long run? Does one or the other give the student a better understanding and foundation of grammar or are they equal in that regard? Thank you in advance for your help and insight!!
  13. I just edited a paper that had 52 quotation marks, only 4 of which were used correctly. If kittens die when apostrophes are used incorrectly, what dies when quotation marks are used incorrectly? I'm not a terrible grammar nazi, but that paper was ANNOYING!!! I removed all but 4 of them. End of vent! (But, I may save the paper as a "how not to write" example for my kids :laugh: LOL)
  14. For those of you who have used the upper levels of Rod & Staff English: If I decided to self-educate grammar using Rod & Staff, what grade should I begin with? I'm not horrible with grammar, but I'm sure I was never taught grammar very well. Thanks for any help.
  15. I did a search but didn't have any luck-- In the Rhetoric Stage Grammar and Writing section of WTM, it lists 3 or more hours per week for time required (p.473), but then on page 475 in the "How to do it" section the total time listed only adds up to about an hour and a half of work for the week. Then on page 606, The "Rhetoric Stage at a Glance" chapter, for 11th grade Language it lists 45-60 minutes per day of formal grammar and reading Elements of Style, which adds up to 5 hours per week. Am I missing something here? None of the amounts of time spent seem to jibe. How much formal grammar/writing are your 11th graders doing?
  16. I am in college and I am looking for recommendations for a writing/grammar program for my kids. Their grades are 5th, 8th, and 11th. Video instruction would be a plus, but not necessary. I just want something solid, they can do on their own in this subject. I would be checking in, especially with the youngest. What have you used that you could really recommend?
  17. *I've updated the list below to include suggestion so far. Thanks everyone!* I'm putting together a list for a local group, and I would like to include the various popular curricular options for the elementary/intermediate grades. Here's what I have so far, I would appreciate any recommended additions. The list doesn't need to be exhaustive, but I would like to include tried-and-true programs that many homeschool families use. Secular options are especially appreciated (non-secular is fine too). Math Saxon Math Singapore Math Math Mammoth RightStart Math Math-U-See CLE Abeka Math in Focus Teaching Textbooks Horizons Math Miquon Math Math on the Level Mathematical Reasoning (Critical Thinking Company) McRuffy Math CSMP Math MEP Beast Academy Life of Fred Key To...series Language Arts Phonics and Reading Instruction: All About Reading Explode the Code Phonics Pathways Spell to Write and Read The Writing Road to Reading Teach Your Child to Read in 100 EZ Lessons The Ordinary Parent's Guide to Teaching Reading Logic of English Hooked on Phonics Memoria Press Phonics Veritas Press Phonics Museum Primary Phonics CLE Learning to Read, Reading Reading Lessons Through Literature Grammar, Composition and Literature First Language Lessons Writing With Ease Learning Language Arts Through Literature Easy Grammar A Beka Language series Analytical Grammar Michael Clay Thompson Language Arts Saxon Grammar and Writing Winston Grammar Wordsmith Series IEW's Fix-It Critical Thinking Company's Editor-in-Chief Jim Weiss cds IEW Student Writing Intensives Classical academic press writing and rhetoric English Lessons Through Literature Writing Strands Don Killgallon's Sentence Composing series McRuffy Language Arts Mosdos Press Literature Memoria Press Literature Guides CLE Language Arts Growing with Grammar Rod and Staff English Grammar Land Brave Writer Build Your Library Essentials in Writing English Lessons Through Literature Just Write Writeshop Primary Spectrum Language Arts Handwriting, Spelling and Vocabulary All About Spelling English From the Roots Up Wordly Wise Handwriting Without Tears New American Cursive A Reason for Handwriting Zaner Bloser English from Classical Roots Spelling Power Megawords McRuffy Handwriting Speliing WorkOut Vocabulary from Classical Roots Word Roots by Critical Thinking, Co. Apples and Pears Spelling Spelling by Sound and Structure Pentime handwriting Write On Handwriting (school specialty) Spectrum Spelling Science NOEO R.E.A.L Science Odyssey Real Science for Kids Apologia Science (Exploring Creation) God's Design Science series Behold and See Science Supercharged Science Nancy Larson Science Elemental Science Evan-Moor Daily Science Building Foundations of Scientific Understanding McRuffy Science Ellen McHenry Science Science Fusion Mr. Q's Science Lab Social Studies Story of the World A Child's History of the World Genevieve Foster Books Oxford University Press World in Ancient Times books Mystery of History Biblioplan Joy Hakim's History of US Howard Zinn's Young People's History of the US Visualizing World Geography Mapping the World with Art Memoria Press geog. Series History Odyssey Multi-Subject Programs Latter Day Learning Family School Sonlight Book Shark Tapestry of Grace Memoria Press core packages Five in a Row Heart of Dakota Konos My Father's World Trail Guide to Learning Calvert School Oak Meadow Timberdoodle packages BJU Press Moving Beyond the Page Intellego Unit Studies K-12 Time4Learning Laurel Springs School Keystone Middle School The Ogburn School {FL based} Build Your Library Foreign Language Rosetta Stone Mango Language Michel Thomas Fluenz Latin for Children/Greek for Children Songschool Latin/Songschool Greek Elementary Greek Getting Started with Latin Getting Started With Spanish Duolingo Latina Christiana First Form Latin Programs that can help struggling learners Barton Reading Wilson Reading Lindamood-Bell programs sold by Gander Publishing Remedia Publications Linguisytems SuperDuper Publications JUMP Math Liping Ma's Knowing Mathematics sold by Houghton Mifflin Morningside Press Verticy Dianne Craft Other Logic - Prufrock Press and Critical Thinking Company Home Art Studio Memoria Press Enrichment Guides
  18. Hi, I am looking ahead to next year and I have Memoria Press First Form Latin, Rod Staff Grammar, and Classical Writing scheduled. There is more grammar incorporated into First Form Latin than I had originally thought, and using it with R & S Grammar feels a bit much. For those who have used First Form Latin what do you do for grammar?
  19. DS has cruised through Rod & Staff English. He recently completed Rod & Staff 6 and will continue with 7 next year and onwards. Will the Cambridge/Oxford Latin program, or Ecce Latin be good choices for us? The style of these books appeals to me, however, I have the impression that they are lighter on Grammar than MP series. For those with experience with Latina Christina and Henle, where should we start if we choose this program? I am assuming we should not do Prima Latina with the Grammar experience he already has. BTW I have no Latin. Thanks for any advice.
  20. My dd13 and I pretty well have had it with Magic Lens 1. It just seems heavy on nomenclature of phrases and clauses for which we already have an intuitive understanding. We're about finished with ML1, and my next step was to start on 4Practice, but now I'm having second thoughts. The end of ML1 has a bunch of 4 level analysis, and frankly, I'm not sure how helpful that has been for my dd13. The trouble is 4 level analysis does not give much practice in identifying errors in punctuation and usage. Maybe this was obvious to everyone else except me, but now I think I need to catch up. I'm considering starting her on my copy of Sadlier's Grammar and Writing book. What would you use in place of 4Practice to practice usage and punctuation? I will probably continue with Advanced Academic Writing and WWW. Alternatively, if you feel like 4Practice has been awesome, I want to hear from you, too.
  21. I have been using FLL and WWE with my older child from 2nd through 4th grade but I am re-evaluating the curriculum choices for her and also for my DS who will be in 1st next fall. I'm planning on using CAP W&R 3&4 for her in 5th. But could she benefit from Paragraph Town as well? I'm still kind of on the search for a 5th grade grammar curriculum. I would like for it to have some diagramming so DD doesn't forget what she already learned in FLL4. It doesn't seem like there's much out there with that kind of diagramming. Is MCT Grammar an option after FLL4? I've glanced at the samples. I don't get what the student does. :confused1: For DD, soon to be in 2nd grade, is it too early for the first levels of MCT writing and grammar? Again, not getting what the student actually does. How do they practice writing? Do you need to buy the Teacher books? Thanks. I appreciate any tips on this.
  22. Okay, I'm such a grammar dope, I don't even know whether I'm wrong or the book is wrong. So here are some fun grammar exercises for you from your friendly copy of Magic Lens 1 (MCT). The geneticist's hobby was to study pathogenic substances. The book says "pathogenic" is a noun. I think it's an adjective. Cracked lengthwise, the object was discovered near the cascade. The book says "cascade" is an adjective. I think it's a noun. Closing the door helped to reduce the cacophony. The book says cacophony is an adjective. I say it's a noun. And finally this one: Dr. Garcia, the new mortician, was mortified at the wound. The book says "mortified" is an adjective. Dd thinks "was mortified" is a passive verb phrase. Can someone help me to distinguish the two? Is there a good rule of thumb?
  23. Hey, just jumping up to the high school board. A little scary. :001_smile: (Haven't figured out avators and signature lines yet. ) Anyway, we've been doing MP Latina Christiana II and will move on to FF II after that....but I have a son (currently 5th) who is not crazy about grammar or language study in general, so Latin is his least favorite subject, with grammar and writing right on par in his dislike. We did JAG this last year and he did GREAT with it - I also used AG in full with my 7th grade daughter who loves language study. Was planning to use it with him next year, but we're considering the CC Essentials program since we could use the camraderie and IEW writing program. Think he'd do better with some positive peer pressure. I know there is some debate about whether Latin grammar teaches the English grammar or vice versa, but my son did much better in his Latin this year after working through the JAG - he seemed to understand it more clearly. So I thought that what appears to be the overwhelming amount of info in CC Essentials EEL might be benficial to us in our Latin studies. But honestly, I think the EEL is kind of....over the top. I think the Charlotte Mason part of me just rebels against needing to spend more time on things that I can't tell are worthwhile, and are (frankly) boring and convoluted. (Honestly, 112 model sentences to memorize? To what end? I'm not judging as much as genuinely asking....) I thought the AG was somewhat interesting and my kids actually didn't mind and liked it. I had no trouble teaching it. Was pretty hands off, really. But the EEL seems more thorough and with more formal terminology. And more teacher/time intensive. So my question: we're planning to move on eventually into Henle or Wheelock Latin - will the CC EEL help us immensely in our First Forms and Henle/Wheelock study? We'll do it if it going to help....or if you ahve another English grammar suggestion that would be helpful, I'd take that too! Thanks! DD 13 DS 11 DD 8 DD 6 DS 20 months
  24. My 7th grader will have completed Growing with Grammar levels 3 - 8 this year. He is good at diagramming and has a strong grasp on language. Still, I don't think he's necessarily ready for a HS level grammar curricula. Although, I don't know? Any recs for grammar after completing GWG? TIA. Darcy
  25. So many Kilgallon books...are they all variations on a theme? Sentences, grammar, paragraphs for elementary, middle, high school...I'm normally the kind of person who likes to hold something in my hand, flip through it, etc. before buying, and so much of what sounds good on the forum (like Kilgallon) is not something I've seen in person. Please help me out on this one. My 9 y.o./4th grade boy is using MCT Town level grammar this year. I am trying to decide if we want to move on with the Voyage level and/or add something else (we won't be moving on in writing yet). My son is okay with writing--not great, not bad. We don't use all of MCT, and while he does well with the grammar portion as presented in MCT, I would like something to give him practice with small chunks of writing that is not MCT. He seems to learn better when we take stuff apart and play with it before assembling it ourselves (for instance, he likes sentence combining). He doesn't do that well with introducing or concluding sentences in paragraphs. He can make several paragraphs about one topic, but again, the intro and closing paragraphs are a mystery to him. I can sort of talk him through such things, but he gets very frustrated that he can't see it for himself. I have been assuming that some of this has to do with the fact that he's an Aspie, and he's not as abstract as other kids with corresponding academic abilities (testing shows this to be a big hole for him). I think it will come together down the road, but for now, I thought maybe we'd tread water on that issue and focus on grammar, sentence style, etc. For now, we're working at the sentence level with grammar tools (like using different kinds of phrases). I suspect he'd even do well with some style lessons. We're practicing organizing information with main ideas and supports, and we have some thinking skills books that help us with this in addition to LA books. We are taking notes periodically in content areas and will probably start outlining too--he seems to catch on to how writing is organized when he does these things. I am hoping to combine a little grammar and writing without pushing writing too hard. I don't want too many programs to keep up with because my son is an inconsistent performer who doesn't produce quickly and takes a lot of time to do things (the challenge level seems to be okay--he's this way regardless of the level of work he's doing). He tends to do better with a bit of a challenge (easier work means he doesn't bother to turn his brain on). When he's hot, he's hot, and when he's not, he's out to lunch. I wouldn't mind some kind of practice with punctuation that is well-connected to grammar. I have no idea how the Kilgallon books are meant to be used (daily, weekly, etc.). If I can combine some grammar and writing, great. If I need another book with Kilgallon (or something totally different than Kilgallon) to get what I'm aiming for and then alternate books, that's okay too. It might actually be better to have more than one book--we both need a little variety.
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